Open 607 - Friends and Enemies - Game Over

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, I'm sorry that I was mean to you. I think I really crossed the line with some of the comments I made when I was angry and I wish I could take them back. You're not a bad player. What you did hurt our chances somewhat, but you're not a bad person for it.

Water under the bridge.

I acted a bit childish with my actions too, I even regretted my anti town sentiment a bit in the dead thread.

GG all.

[Antihero]

Heartless, a part of why I was tunnelling you guys early on is because I was scum in mini 1704 and it felt like you were playing differently there, your case on me there when you thought I was scum was a lot more nuanced and elaborate and so many times I wanted to ask you "why aren't you playing like in the game you're town in" but of course the ongoing games rule and not wanting to let on that I knew you were town there. It's funny that you were town in both. I think I'll probably be less tunnelly the next time we play together and I liked playing with both of you.

A big part of that was probably that we were a lot deeper into the game in Butterfly, ding dong. XP

Good job, everyone!
Sorry I kind of pooped out on this one Anti, but at least you had good reads.

^5

also, yeah... the detailed and better cases are always going to come deeper into the game. not day 1.

[shaddowez]

Hey all,

Great game, I had a blast. I'm sorry I kinda disappeared the last few days. I had an interview for an out of state job, which I actually got, so the last little while (and foreseeable future) have been extremely hectic with leaving my current job, packing, selling house, finding apartment, etc.

If you couldn't tell, I'm terrible at picking up (and leaving, though that didn't matter here) crumbs. I finally killed duppin because of Firebringer's post, and then did associations from there. I believed ika, which is why Plot lived so long, I was actually thinking about killing them N2 but decided to trust ika. I screwed up with wingback, and actually meant to kill wanderer, even though I didn't realize she was a mason at the time.

All in all, I did my best, but come Plot's play-by-play of the game I knew there was nothing I could do anyway.

Thanks for running West!

[shaddowez]

Also, the migraine thing was real, I actually had some time that night :/

[Plotinus]

@Heartless, yeah I was dumb I think I'll do better next time I play with you guys.

@Shaddowez congrats on getting the job! I believed you that the migraine was real. I get them too and it sucks. You did well, though! It'll be fun playing with you again some time.

[Plotinus]

also, @Anti: i grumble about people burden of profficiencying me by expecting me to play day 1 like i play LYLO and then i did it to you! I'm really sorry!

I noticed you saying the masons bussed in the deadthread. In what way did we bus? we didn't bus with our votes, and we didn't bus with our reads on each other so much. I didn't really know how to be a mason so I just treated them like they were my scumbuddies, matching thread temperature, except I never let them fall below a "idekmaybetown"lean.

How are masons supposed to act? i didn't really know what i was doing. but I think I did okay at obfuscating who they were when I went through their ISOs. i did the numbers thing for them too so that I could notice enough things to fabricate a genuine read on them that wasn't "my rolepm says they're town". I knew that if I posted the numbers thing in thread it would give us away, though, so i didn't.

[mastin2]

I almost feel bad for Mastina. She is putting her all into this and I don't think she got anywhere but "scum flailing."

Not even remotely close to my all.

My all was, incidentally, ongoing, being Final Fantasy 7. THAT game is me going all-out. This game, I had given up. (Incidentally, both had a critical event happen THE VERY SAME DAY: On a Monday, in FF7, I was lynched. THAT SAME MONDAY was the Lalendra mislynch. Understandably, I was devastated. )

mastin, thanks for putting up with me in LYLO and for talking with me and listening to me and chatting with me. I know it mustn't have been fun for you but it's what i needed and it helped.

Honestly the most unfun thing was realizing that, thanks to accidentally reading shaddow as being the last mason and you simply as a VT who knew the mason, I had lynched two town and

brilliantly

set myself up to be the lylo mislynch with nobody to blame but myself.

After you showed me that wasn't true, I felt much better.

Also, normally in a game like this I'd post post-game thoughts of my own, but I don't really have much to say, given I was a lategame replacement. I think town did pretty well overall this game, especially Heartless and Plot.

[Plotinus]

I could tell it wasn't scumflailing. Your bursts of posting always made me feel better about you. If shaddowez had pushed you on those lines, my decision would have been easier.

I'm glad you replaced into this, mastina. <3

[ika]

How are masons supposed to act? i didn't really know what i was doing. but I think I did okay at obfuscating who they were when I went through their ISOs. i did the numbers thing for them too so that I could notice enough things to fabricate a genuine read on them that wasn't "my rolepm says they're town". I knew that if I posted the numbers thing in thread it would give us away, though, so i didn't.

playing mason is like playing IC/VT role to me. I jsut use my buddies as soundboards. I found it easy to jsut go "ya gut town" or something equivilent to them and set up a crumb/refrence that we can use when needed to claim

for me i tend to play as i do as VT when im mason cus thats what you basicly are in the end. Its the same as how i would play IC in that i would teat is like im a vt jsut known town. the main thing with ic-esque roles when you are them and outed is that people put the standards to you.

what i tend to do when i am in that place i tend to ask all the questions and keep my cards to myself to the end of the day so scums can jsut use the "im sheeping IC" excuse cus i have seen it many times for both town and scum to use

[Plotinus]

thanks ika, that makes sense.

I think people confuse conftown with being right about stuff. conftowns do this and other people in the game with them. it's hard.

[ika]

thanks ika, that makes sense.

I think people confuse conftown with being right about stuff. conftowns do this and other people in the game with them. it's hard.

it is, most ppl presume IC must be right. the thing about IC is that they are not always right but instead alwasy have town motivations behind their actions

[Wanderer-nl]

Congrats on the new job shaddowez!

Very well done Plotinus, you put a LOT of work into the game from Day 1 and I couldn't have asked for a better mason-buddy. I felt guilty sometimes because I couldn't find motivation within myself to put as much work into this.

GG all, had fun and hope to see you all around in other games.

[Antihero]

@Heartless, yeah I was dumb I think I'll do better next time I play with you guys.

eh don't beat yourself up. incorrect scum reads happen.

also, lol i don't think anything was wrong with the way you played mason. i think you actually did a better job than i could've ever hoped to do.

[Antihero]

I could tell it wasn't scumflailing. Your bursts of posting always made me feel better about you. If shaddowez had pushed you on those lines, my decision would have been easier.

I'm glad you replaced into this, mastina. <3

yeah, and this too.

mastin did a phenomenal job in lylo of towning it up. she should be proud of how she did this game.

[Plotinus]

thanks Anti, that means a lot coming from you.

and mastin did really great.

Wanderer I thought you were a great mason buddy. You looked really town and it was fun being town together, and I like the way you interact with other players; scumhunting without getting into long screaming matches with people.

[TellTaleHeart]

Not even remotely close to my all.

@_@

I'll have to read Final Fantasy 7 sometime, because I thought your analysis here was very thorough.

[mastin2]

I'm glad you replaced into this, mastina. <3

mastin did a phenomenal job in lylo of towning it up. she should be proud of how she did this game.

<3

I'll have to read Final Fantasy 7 sometime, because I thought your analysis here was very thorough.

Well honestly, my play in FF7 was less analytical, but

did

hold more effort. Meaning that I was getting very emotional, very distressed, very much doing flailing because I didn't know what was going on, very upset that my plans blew up in my face, very confused at why people didn't understand why I had made the plans, and all-around unpleasant things. (Think like a cranked up to eleven version of We Didn't Playtest This.) So if you read it, you're being masochistic because it was ugly. But technically speaking, yes, it was more effort compared to this game.

This game I didn't even read all of, and my analysis was done at first just enough to get a grip on the game, and then after the Lalendra lynch, as a token effort because I thought I needed to do something even though I didn't think there was much point. So very much, I did not give this game as much effort as I'm capable of.

However,

that being said

, I think what I

did

give was more precise. I think that while I may not have given as much as I could have, what I DID give was exactly what I needed to give, with me pointing out all the right things in all the right ways at all the right times. (Which is something that didn't happen in FF7. At least not enough to avert my mislynch, anyway.) So in that way, I guess my play here was giving my all. It was quality over quantity.

Certainly gives me things to think about in future games. Probably won't see it much (at least not on my main--between alts and hydras, I can give it a go), because I don't think I can intentionally replicate the mindset which allowed me to accidentally post that way, but it's worth trying out to see if I can keep doing it. 'Cause I think I kinda like doing it that way. It felt good.

[Aristophanes]

Quality over quantity is very important imo. You really did yo a great job at the end there.
It was anyone's game and you drove it home.

I look forward to playing with anyone on this list again. (Moreso those who replaced in or stayed from the beginning.) I hope we meet again! Maybe in a nicer neighborhood though...

[LlamaFluff]

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