Open 630 (Pick Your Power X/Y): Rap Battle Mafia (GAME END)

[Errantparabola]

MOD ERROR

Spoiler: Here is a copy of what I sent the scumteam

"Let me explain my thought process about not allowing scum to coordinate during the draft process.
Before I go into my reasons, I first want to say that if there is indeed a precedent for that, then I am deeply sorry, as both Jal and Aristodesis picked the same number, meaning that scum did indeed get a slight disadvantage from not being able to coordinate their draft picks.
So yes, I did muck it up if there is a rule saying that needs to happen.

As it stands, I was not informed of any such rule. And I believe that whether or not the moderator should implement this precedent should be left to the discretion of the moderator and here's why.

If there were a rule that said that scum should coordinate their draft picks, then there would be a strategy that involved it being probably that scum would likely not pick the same number. As a result, if a situation in which two people that picked the same number in the draft were being considered for partners, there would be evidence against that.

Note that, again, if such precedent exists, the town does not know that I did not implement such precedent here.

Again, I am sorry that I failed to confirm whether or not the scum was able to coordinate the draft process with a more experienced mod and I hope this does not affect your enjoyment of the game."

Spoiler: Here is a copy of what I sent the listmod

"I believe there is a minor issue with the game that I am currently modding and I want to defer judgment to you to determine whether it is game breaking.

I neglected to give pregame chat to the mafia (it was not specified on the wiki) which means two of the members of the scumteam picked the same number. This was a contributing factor to the fact that all of the scumteam ended up being goons.

I believed that this would balance out because I had been informed that in previous iterations of the setup, members of the scumteam have been known to pick the same number to wifom the town into thinking that all the scum would have picked unique numbers, meaning that the reduced power of the scum would balance out with the town's wrong idea of how I ran the setup.

Now that one of the two has flipped, the town believes that the second member that picked the same number is more town because of it.

What should I do with this issue?"

Spoiler: Here is a copy of LlamaFluff's response

"Its a minor mod error. If it was noticed immediately, you could have rerolled and given scum pre-game talk, but any conclusions built off of who picked what number is WIFOM. I would continue as is at this point since admitting to not giving scum pre-game talk will only cause town to inject more WIFOM into why you are making the announcement and could change the outcome of the game."

This probably could have been avoided if I had contacted the listmod immediately, so I will also take the blame for that.

[Errantparabola]

Personal thoughts

This game really could have gone either way, in my opinion, and that's including the error.
Ranger tried very hard and that is very commendable.
Town could have coordinated lynches/actions better and this would have likely been a townstomp because they did a fine job scumhunting.
Props to Aneninen and G[o]dz for having fun with the flavor even in PMs to me. That's pretty cool.
Favorite rhyme of the game was verisimilitude with familiar, dude. C'mon, let me be proud of that.

[borkjerfkin]

GG guys.

good town play overall by really everyone, don't want to make specific shoutouts on the town side cause it was a group effort and literally everyone played really well. Although: Kirroha I know you have a thread out there about how you want to improve as a player but you were fucking boss this game and I would've eaten a lynch to save your slot; that's how sure I were you were town.

shoutout to Ranger in specific for buckling down and trying to pull it out; i definitely didn't have you on my radar when i died.

re: setup. This setup is really gameable and i think that's part of what makes it unique. I don't really care on which side the mod falls on if pregame talk should exist, but I think that:
1) In the rules: 100% the mod needs to be utterly transparent about whether or not the scumteam gets pregame draft talk regardless of what the decision was -- the details on how the setup is run should be publicly accessible in an open.
2) You were 100% correct to not bring it up unprompted after you realize an issue existed. That would have drastically affected the game, which is something to be avoided.

[borkjerfkin]

goddamn i was so close to picking jailkeeper. man that'd have ruled.

[Syndesis]

This was seriously the worst game I've ever played; I hate being mafia but that's really no excuse. Sorry for sucking, beeboy and Ranger (who fought valiantly to the last) ;___;

I'll go cry now ;____;

[Aristophanes]

This was seriously the worst game I've ever played; I hate being mafia but that's really no excuse. Sorry for sucking, beeboy and Ranger (who fought valiantly to the last) ;___;

I'll go cry now ;____;

I take most of the blame here, for being absent.
I'm a bad hydra partner.

[beeboy]

This was seriously the worst game I've ever played; I hate being mafia but that's really no excuse. Sorry for sucking, beeboy and Ranger (who fought valiantly to the last) ;___;

I'll go cry now ;____;

I take most of the blame here, for being absent.
I'm a bad hydra partner.

#blameari2k15 :^0

[Syndesis]

#blameari2k16 :^0

ftfy ^__^

no but please don't blame ari! ;n;

[Syndesis]

I'm reading the scum PT and crying ;___;

/belated hugs for Ranger

[Firebringer]

Ranger did horrible with the night kills.
She decided to leave me alive all game, that is funny.

[Ranger]

shoutout to Ranger in specific for buckling down and trying to pull it out; i definitely didn't have you on my radar when i died.

That was the general idea behind killing you then, so that you'd

stay

that way. :P

goddamn i was so close to picking jailkeeper. man that'd have ruled.

No kidding. It'd have told me that role wasn't in the game. (You were dead N1 no matter what unless you as a JK lucked out and blocked beeboy.) Know how much I was worrying about it?!? I was terrified. (I actually was afraid Firebringer was a tracker.)

I'll go cry now ;____;

If you think

you

want to cry, just think about

me

.

This was probably my best scum game yet, and I

still

couldn't pull out the win. I couldn't even get to lylo. :(

Ranger did horrible with the night kills.

Two of them I didn't have any choice on: Persivul was confirmed town. Aneninen was confirmed town. Red Magic needed to die because they were shutting down literally every mislynch I needed (most importantly, Maxous) and they had a decent chance of being a PR compared to others in the list. The only kill which was not 100% an objectively good kill was the Godz kill, and even there, we were all goons, who had all chosen the same two roles; Golden Robster had claimed a PR and many town players had noted that his play seemed different from his VT play. Knowing he couldn't be scum and trusting those people to be right (they weren't), I killed his replacement in order to make sure I could safely kill lilith.

She decided to leave me alive all game, that is funny.

Actually...about that.

The only reason you lived is because of the above: in particular, the need to eliminate Persivul/Aneninen first, and the threat of Godz potentially being a PR. I very much did not want to have you alive and kicking, because I figured you were voting me no matter what.

[Persivul]

Good job guys. Although the D2 wagons IMO told the story, I'm sure it was still tough to get past the duplicate number factor.

[Persivul]

@ Errant: the wiki says:

Throughout the bidding phases, the thread is locked, however, mafia may collude privately during this time and then again throughout the day.

[kirroha]

I'm being so lazy these days lol.

Good job everyone! Especially kaintepes. I liked that beeboy nab. You're improving!

[pisskop]

shoutout to Ranger in specific for buckling down and trying to pull it out; i definitely didn't have you on my radar when i died.

That was the general idea behind killing you then, so that you'd

stay

that way.

goddamn i was so close to picking jailkeeper. man that'd have ruled.

No kidding. It'd have told me that role wasn't in the game. (You were dead N1 no matter what unless you as a JK lucked out and blocked beeboy.) Know how much I was worrying about it?!? I was terrified. (I actually was afraid Firebringer was a tracker.)

I'll go cry now ;____;

If you think

you

want to cry, just think about

me

.

This was probably my best scum game yet, and I

still

couldn't pull out the win. I couldn't even get to lylo.

Ranger did horrible with the night kills.

Two of them I didn't have any choice on: Persivul was confirmed town. Aneninen was confirmed town. Red Magic needed to die because they were shutting down literally every mislynch I needed (most importantly, Maxous) and they had a decent chance of being a PR compared to others in the list. The only kill which was not 100% an objectively good kill was the Godz kill, and even there, we were all goons, who had all chosen the same two roles; Golden Robster had claimed a PR and many town players had noted that his play seemed different from his VT play. Knowing he couldn't be scum and trusting those people to be right (they weren't), I killed his replacement in order to make sure I could safely kill lilith.

She decided to leave me alive all game, that is funny.

Actually...about that.

The only reason you lived is because of the above: in particular, the need to eliminate Persivul/Aneninen first, and the threat of Godz potentially being a PR. I very much did not want to have you alive and kicking, because I figured you were voting me no matter what.

ranger, you gotta be more active as scum.
at least selectively so.


you hadnt been a presencd, so your opinion held minimal sway.
if you knew fire suspected you you shoukd have killed him. prs are awful, but guarentted votes are worse.
doing more to paint me as scum would have upset me, but would have also, if done well, have made me less trustworthy.
same with kirroha

Finally, youre so awsome as town it can be hard to emulate that as scum now you know why veterans of mafia dont share notes and such; to hide themselves.


you played good, but the cards were stacked against you. :/

we cant win them all. but as scum your goal isnt to be/act like town. its to lynch town and end the game. avoiding NAs and being townread helps, but acting like a scumlord in specific contexts is desirable.

try pointing out more subpar play as town and pushing that as scum as scum.

in a brief nutshell^^

[pisskop]

also, its important to know how aware and cognicent town is.


Town is smarter than we give them credit for (after all, 75% of the time we are town), but sone townies have strengths others lack. being aware of how people town/scumhunt and will [re]act is important. killing social leaders disorients town and killing confirmed townies only helps if it strengthens your position.

for instance, as awsome as anen is he wasnt going to confirm another player.
lilith, otoh, even if distrusted (and sry lil I was an ass, will be confing players. you should have murdered her fave off to stop the flow. too dangerous.


Always remember that although town isnt dumb, they dont see what you see. they wont catch 80% of 'slips'. experience is the best teacher for what can and cant be said

[lilith2013]

Lol no worries. I completely deserved it, this was one of my worst games yet.

[Aneninen]

Quickthought, mobile.
I don't think that mod error meant much difference.
It COULD HAVE, but in this case (1) we assumed different drafts, which made Ranger look more town and (2) we picked a poor PR set and we made very little out of our PRs.

More will come later.

[Ranger]

ranger, you gotta be more active as scum.
at least selectively so.

pisskop, if this was your reasoning, you can burn in hell.

My activity is 100% consistent across all games: once or twice a day, I will post until caught up. I then leave. This never changes. It has been constant, consistent, and never-changing. Any day without me posting in this game is a day I also did not post in

any

game. Any day I posted in this game is a day I also posted the exact same amount in another game. Activity cannot, and will never be able to, be used to read me. I am always active at the same times. Every day, I come in at what's usually night, post, then go to bed typically. I wake up, maybe post, and then the cycle repeats. Use whatever activity tell you think is valid from this game on another game and I guarantee you I flip town there. I can't control when I have access. I can only control what I do in the times I have access.

If

that's

what you mean, then sure, I apologize for the rant above, but explaining this

literally every game

, town, scum, whatever, gets really old, really fast and yes I have been lynched for it as town and flipped town because of it.

now you know why veterans of mafia dont share notes and such; to hide themselves.

Why the hell do you think I prefer being a minimalist in the first place? :P :P :P

I know this! I use this!

you played good, but the cards were stacked against you. :/

<3 <3 <3

[pisskop]

Okay.

You go do that thing where you take generic advice and spit on it and Ill do that thing where I continue to be a stellar scum player; but now ignores you.

[pisskop]

pisskop, if this was your reasoning, you can burn in hell.

[pisskop]

I still think youd benefit from attacking more as scum, and to balance that out youd have to point out more lackluster play.

[Ranger]

You go do that thing where you take generic advice and spit on it

Wasn't attacking the advice.

Just VERY angry at the suggestion that my activity, which never ever changes, could be seen as alignment-indicative when it's not.

With the tip about not sharing notes being my default play and me joking about it.

The rest of your advice was actually valid and I'm taking note of it. <3

[kirroha]

kirroh~

-.-

wat issit

[Firebringer]

Pisskop, where are my notes on how to improve.
Now i am jelly.