Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[LicketyQuickety]

I knew it was bins I fucking knew it! Why the fuck did I leave the read? I need to get my head examined.

[Zachstralkita]

WHy is it my job to change your reads when I"ve been right the whole game, Zach?

Because you wanted to win? dave would never have died with just my vote alone.

Please, continue to bitch in postgame.

Zach, that's a lesson that's hard to master.

Each person scum kill, they kill to remove something of value from the town. Start there.

When Vedith flipped goon, ranger was conftown. Ranger died over you.
I was obvtown, died over you and Ranger. Why Ranger? She had IRL issues and could be painted as godmother. Why not you?

I think having two fucked up lylos will help. Nothing else teaches better than experience.

Nope, yeah, that was my fault.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nothing else teaches better than experience.

Fucking amen!

[LicketyQuickety]

yeah, so like, dav had the hammer on vedith and Town hammers him??? WTF!

[Zachstralkita]

WHy is it my job to change your reads when I"ve been right the whole game, Zach?

Because you wanted to win? dave would never have died with just my vote alone.

Please, continue to bitch in postgame.

Nah this is done.. Sorry and GG

[Ümläüt]

I think I said this already in the Dead PT, but Farmer was right about pretty much everything he said on D3 and I was in constant amazement that no one really listened to him. His numbers were right, his reasoning about our assumptions was right, and his analysis of how implausible the Doctor!Bins universe was was right. And this after he correctly picked me out as scum on D2 for pretty valid reasons. (I'm planning to steal that reaction test, by the way.)

Farmer, I hope we play on the same side sometime because I will definitely be paying attention to your analysis.

[RadiantCowbells]

APF was a strong player. Titus was okay but had some shit reads, I think I was super on point, Dunnstral did good.

Rest of town were townbearding it up.

[Dunnstral]

I was a bit wrong day 1 too

[Dunnstral]

Think I called myself bins-aligned somewhere in there

[mhsmith0]

FWIW I enjoyed watching this game, and my commiserations to the defeated. Sorry to hear that you're stopping playing RC

[Bins]

Ranger was conftown after the Vedith flip.

[Bins]

Well, Dav and I were confirmed to be the last scum.

[Raskolnikov]

LQ mislynch was understandable as would be misreading d4 (given ranger) but vedith lynch and the nk should've sealed the deal via association with confirmed scum. Eh.
Mostly watched with the morbid fascination one views train wrecks and airplane crashes with... was going to replace in at one point.

[mhsmith0]

I thought about replacing in late, but I figured Postie was probably the mafia in Postie/RC (and the replace out made it super unlikely scum theater), and I didn't think there was much useful I could do to recover the slot in that case or to make it fun for the rest of the players.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like I made more effort to communicate in this game than any before. Still didn't help.

[LicketyQuickety]

OK, so, like..

The next time I make a shitty wall post with someone's ISO can people please listen?

[RadiantCowbells]

I literally straight down to the wire explained Postie's thought process through two entire day phases and why they meant she was scum with Bins and why Scum!davesaz made no sense.

Zach summarily ignored it and continued to say Bins was 100% town then said that I didn't do enough to convince him when he said that bins was 100% town

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah, sorry to say this, but Zack.. you need more experience and I suggest reading some articles on the wiki and remember the cardinal #1 rule of Mafia: Scum hunt.

[Ranger]

WP bins had me pocketed from d1

Not really.
When you're an

innocent child

.
And you're

alive in lylo

.

The thing to do is to ask yourself why.

Remember what I said about your slot waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back on D1?

Yeah, there...was kind-of a good reason for me saying that.
You didn't do any analysis today at all.
Like wonder, "Why did Bins fight so hard to protect Postie/Vedith?" For the whole game.
Like wonder, "Why would davesaz, as scum, bus?"

Things like that.
Radiant's not blameless, either, for voting davesaz when he knew it would lose the game (that was flat-out playing against your wincon, RC, I don't care how frustrated you were; you KNEW that Bins was scum and davesaz was town and letting the game end in a scum victory just so you can say "I told you so" is not acceptable play), but Zach, you should have looked at yesterday, for instance, what the players did.

Bins was suspiciously absent, silent: she knew the game was continuing.
I was convinced the game was over.
Radiant was gambiting.
davesazs was convinced the game was over.

You didn't look at that.

You just went, "Well, Bins has been town the whole game, so..."

Well, the proper thought to follow "so" isn't "vote her counterwagon", it's "maybe I'm wrong".

I TOLD YOU ALL OF THIS D1.
I WARNED YOU OF IT THEN.
It applied even on later days. And I meant it.
If you're alive in lylo, there is

always

a reason. Sometimes, it's because scum want to lynch you. (I get that a lot.) Most of the time, it's because you've been the town beard, and the scum are tailoring their scumgame for you, for you to vote the way they want you to.

[Ranger]

I mean, to be fair: I was townreading Bins's posting the first half of the game. I've already explained my Smithereens misread, and also why the SECOND I knew better, I reversed my tune and realized the slot was scum. I went back and forth on LicketyQuickety the whole game, in part

also

because of Kill All Townies, and ultimately came to the correct conclusion that his similarities in both games meant he was town in both games. So it was around there, and only around there, that I first caught wind of Bins being scum. So it's not like I had her pegged from the start, can't claim credit there. But what I

did

do is, off of new evidence emerging, reassess my reads, and evolve them given this new material.

And that's how I learned many of the key factors. Including knowing that scum was within a limited pool of {Vedith, Bins, RC}, and that the goon flip confirmed RC as town. (The idea of davesaz being scum never once entered my mind, because I could tell this was his towngame, and his interactions with dead scum were good. Well, it entered my mind when RC said he was scum, but not a moment prior to that.)

[davesaz]

We would have had Postie a day earlier if RC had stayed on her. I misinterpreted his flipflopping as scum and didn't want a no-lynch with so many unknown. It would have been autowin at that point, as town could then afford to pick wrong on the doc claims and still lynch the other one.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ranger, that's why I'm quitting, sorry. I just can't deal with this. I don't want to argue with people who aren't even playing the game and then you go into the fact that in general I feel like people should really just stfu and sheep me when I'm town because I'm genuinely like so much better than virtually everyone else but people HATE to hear it and refuse to seriously take it into consideration in their reads. idk.

It's just a lot of not good feelings then you throw in Postie replacing into a scumslot, town being as opaque about their nonsense reads as scum were, and you have the recipe for me just giving up.

We would have had Postie a day earlier if RC had stayed on her. I misinterpreted his flipflopping as scum and didn't want a no-lynch with so many unknown. It would have been autowin at that point, as town could then afford to pick wrong on the doc claims and still lynch the other one.

YOU WERENT EVEN FUCKING PUSHING POSTIE SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU WERE DEFENDING HER TOO.

[RadiantCowbells]

LIke yeah, I had correct reads and then gave up because town was pissing me off. But at least I had the correct reads instead of being the obnoxious town with shit reads treating them like gospel.

[Titus]

RC, cool off. I found our hydra amusing. We were both better communicators while impersonating the other.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like this attitude is so obnoxious. You guys fought me to the death to the point that I gave up on lynching scum and then cry then I changed my votes?

Sowwy Titus this game was just so unpleasant for me. I'm done posting here and I think I'm going to site flake when my modded game is finished.