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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:39 am

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In post 158, Alisae wrote:
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:
In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi Vert
FOS: Everyone n this list
Why?
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.
That's no excuse. Throwing away pressure is only pro-scum.

Why Al over LUV? Gut or arbitrariness, it could have gone either way but I leant a little to Al. I didn't even notice the wagon, as hard as that is to believe, as the huge numbers of not voters stood out to me and I immediately reacted.

I usually prefer joining wagons - all else be equal - but my priority with two weeks to go is my biggest scum read.
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:45 am

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Ah ok. Yeah re-reading again I still don't like Grey's play.
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:49 am

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Yup, Ali is scum.

I don't see him scumreading me as town.
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:51 am

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Just look at his votes. I already ran him off my wagon once, but now that he has a little support he comes slinking back onto it.
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:53 am

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In post 169, Alisae wrote:The Grey read needs more time to develop but right now they seem a lot more careful then how I remember him playing hence why I scumread him.
And this is bullshit.

Not every game is the same, Ali. In this setup, there are three Masons that I have to be on the lookout for as well as the scumteam.

I don't want to prematurely out our Masons, so he'll yes I'm being more careful.

You are shit at reading me, so gtfo.
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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:57 am

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In post 98, SnarkySnowman wrote:Admittedly I couldn't find the thread.
Admittedly...you're almost as active as if you'd never found it. wtf :roll:

You're elsewhere on site...how about spending some time in here?
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:05 am

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In post 201, Alisae wrote:Ah ok. Yeah re-reading again I still don't like Grey's play.
VOTE: Grey
Ali...what about Grey's play do you not like? Despite you voting, unvoting and re-voting him can't find your concerns.

This seems like a lazy baseless vote on the leading wagon.
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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:10 am

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In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8719084#p8719084]post 206[/url], havingfitz wrote:
In post 201, Alisae wrote:Ah ok. Yeah re-reading again I still don't like Grey's play.
VOTE: Grey
Ali...what about Grey's play do you not like? Despite you voting, unvoting and re-voting him can't find your concerns.

This seems like a lazy baseless vote on the leading wagon.
Then I will explain them to you. Grey is usually a lot more aggressive when he is town and from what he has posted he has come off as careful and safe.
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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:16 am

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In post 198, havingfitz wrote: I was implying/explicitly stating that LUVs comments seemed awfully coincidental and that I wanted more information on the matter...hence my questions to LUV.

LUVs response was enough to stem my curiosity fttb.

I would not say LUV is a scum read for me att....as I didn't state in post 61.
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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:17 am

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VOTE: Alisae
Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:28 am

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In post 208, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What does 'awfully coincidental' mean in relation to alignment?
Coming from me, and most others I would assume, that phrase would indicate some level of disbelief...or suspicion. So reason to suspect. It caused me to question the veracity of LUVs explanation to Grey. It was not scum indictment worthy...so he did not become a scum read for it.

Is this topic important to you? FYI - if at some point in this game I do begin to scum read LUV I'll be sure to bring this point up and say he was probably full of shit.
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:36 am

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Right, which I then assumed to mean suspicion = scum read. It is important to be because it's one of those situations where you're throwing shade at someone without directly calling them a scum read - and if you're ever called out on it you can just say 'but I never said he was scum though'.
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:39 am

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^ fair point
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:46 am

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In post 210, havingfitz wrote:
In post 208, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What does 'awfully coincidental' mean in relation to alignment?
Coming from me, and most others I would assume, that phrase would indicate some level of disbelief...or suspicion. So reason to suspect. It caused me to question the veracity of LUVs explanation to Grey. It was not scum indictment worthy...so he did not become a scum read for it.

Is this topic important to you? FYI - if at some point in this game I do begin to scum read LUV I'll be sure to bring this point up and say he was probably full of shit.
That makes sense, but at the same time I also understand BBT to nail down your thought processes here.
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:57 am

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My point being...if someone does something you find questionable...that doesn't automatically mean you are scum reading them. Especially after further clarification by that person. And saying I am scum reading someone I did not say that about is a bit misleading btw.
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:59 am

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In post 211, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:suspicion = scum read
I don't think this is always the case. It isn't in this case. Just an event I wanted more info on.
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:02 am

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VOTE: fitz

Can we lynch this please?
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:05 am

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In post 216, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: fitz

Can we lynch this please?
No.

Stop trying to distract from the Alisae wagon.
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:24 am

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In post 216, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:VOTE: fitz

Can we lynch this please?
I'm not a this tyvm.

Did my "misleading" comment strike a nerve?
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:35 am

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Nobody noticed the slip-up on the VC, but its fixed now.
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:50 am

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In post 207, Alisae wrote:
In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8719084#p8719084]post 206[/url], havingfitz wrote:
In post 201, Alisae wrote:Ah ok. Yeah re-reading again I still don't like Grey's play.
VOTE: Grey
Ali...what about Grey's play do you not like? Despite you voting, unvoting and re-voting him can't find your concerns.

This seems like a lazy baseless vote on the leading wagon.
Then I will explain them to you. Grey is usually a lot more aggressive when he is town and from what he has posted he has come off as careful and safe.
I find this questionable. Your response suggests that you're satisfied to use the meta of someone you're familiar with over scum hunting. You began the game with that was supposed to be a reaction test. Now that we're beginning to dig into things properly, it seems like you're half-assing it. I understand the irony being that we're both voting the same person right now, but is there no one else in the player list that you find scummier based on the here and now?
In post 214, havingfitz wrote:My point being...if someone does something you find questionable...that doesn't automatically mean you are scum reading them. Especially after further clarification by that person. And saying I am scum reading someone I did not say that about is a bit misleading btw.
I'm pretty okay with this reasoning. Something can grab your attention for a little while, but that doesn't always have to build into a strong scumread.
In post 196, FancyPants wrote:@Grey, what about my posts make you think that?
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:54 am

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In post 219, tojam2 wrote:
Nobody noticed the slip-up on the VC, but its fixed now.
I did but apparently it's something we'll have to deal with in this game so it wasn't worth mentioning. But since you brought it up....VC 1.3 still has a slip-up. :wink:
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:26 am

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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:34 am

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Alisae claims I must be scum because I'm not aggressive, right?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69550

An aggressive scum game.

Aggression is NAI.

Alisae is making a fucking terrible push that has no basis in reality.
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:37 am

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=69444

Non-aggressive town game. 27 fucking posts total.
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