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@Alisae, are you new to mafia in general, new to this website, or are you an alt?

In post 146, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey CMM, long time no see!

I'm going to apologize in advance if you're scum and I need to lynch you!

No worries of that man

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8715489#p8715489]post 151[/url], boring wrote:@Alisae, are you new to mafia in general, new to this website, or are you an alt?

No, no, and no.

So many interesting players, this is gonna be exciting.
After an initial readup I got many townreads but some of them are slight.
Strong townreads are fitz and boring.
Townleans on Grey and Alisae.
Empking, CMM and Hawk are in the "said one thing I liked" category.
I got no kind of read on SS and BBT yet.
Mixed feelings about mozamis, LUV and FP, will need more time to sort them out.
I'm not too keen on elaborating at this stage cause it makes it easy for scum to tailor their play. But I'm keeping a spreadsheet so if you think you can call me out on empty reads, I can prove your wrong anytime

VOTE: mozamis

Very little substance in his posting, looks like coasting scum

@boring you scumread Alisae partly because of her "fluffing" (I don't necessarily agree with this point). What about mozamis?

Feedback on other wagons:

Reasons I tr Alisae:

I gotta admit I was uncerain about her at the beginning but I think she showed town signs lately.
I don't think her opening reaction test was scummy nor I think it was particularly towny. As pointed out, it was easy to see through but I prefer it to a standard random vote entrance.
1. I like that she uses both scumhunting and gut to test others' alignment.
2. I liked her #124 and everything leading to it. Scum are way more reserved about making serious statements like this cause it means they actually have to stick to what they said later on.
3. I don't think scum would retract so visibly with their vote as she did in #128, looks like she actually takes others' input into consideration and re-evaluates her reads.
4. I liked her #149, which was a proper response to BBT's underwhelming entrance.

Reasons I tr Grey:
This read formed mostly at the beginning of the game and I'm keeping in mind he hasn't posted feedback on latest activity yet.
1. I like his #21, good observation.
2. Another good point in #31.
3. His entire back-and-forth with Alisae looks TvT, his logic is sound.
4. His wagon appeared kind of out of nowhere and it doesn't have solid foundations. The only legitimate vote is boring's.

Admittedly, my townlean on Grey is weaker than on Alisae but I'd still prefer people switched onto mozamis for now.

In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi Vert

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716281#p8716281]post 156[/url], Empking wrote:

In post 142, tojam2 wrote:NV (5) - BlueBloodedToffee, Alisae, Antihuman, SnarkySnowman, Lil Uzi Vert

FOS: Everyone n this list

Why?
I unvoted so that I could reread and re-evaluate the game.

Majikarp used Splash!... But nothing happened!

@antihuman, I asked Alisae about his experience because of his "form your own reads" comment. Not sure if it's ignorant or scummy. I'm waffling on my read because I'm trying to figure out his angle.

Fluff doesn't phase me when we're getting acquainted. It's dressing fluff up as not-fluff that concerns me (that wasn't directed at Alisae in particular).

In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8716582#p8716582]post 160[/url], boring wrote:@antihuman, I asked Alisae about his experience because of his "form your own reads" comment. Not sure if it's ignorant or scummy. I'm waffling on my read because I'm trying to figure out his angle.

Fluff doesn't phase me when we're getting acquainted. It's dressing fluff up as not-fluff that concerns me (that wasn't directed at Alisae in particular).

To me he came across as not having any interest in developing reads so that's why I asked.

In post 148, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hey Uzi,

You look town froma quick skim through.

Tell me who is scum?

Uh missed this.

Honestly have no idea. A few people look town though so that should help me give you an answer when I do a reread tomorrow.

In post 154, Antihuman wrote:What about mozamis?

Sorry, I just realized that I completed skipped this part of your question. Mozamis is certainly in the bottom half for me. My vote might end up there later, if I never find a reason to TR him.

On the other hand, he's the easiest vote right now, and I've not seen a lot of scum flips Day 1. (None first-hand, outside a game on MU where the PL just happened to be scum)

@LUV, the last time I played with you, your reads won the game for us. I'm interested in your ongoing opinion of the gamestate. (by the way, I know you're V/LA now, but you have a habit of "forgetting" you're in games. Please don't forget about us.)

He's just said he'll post some insight tomorrow though.

In post 157, Empking wrote:

UnFOS: Blue, Anti

Unvote
Vote: Alis

Is the basis for your vote her not voting?
If so, why did you choose her and not LUV?
If not, what are the other reasons?
Do you usually prefer to join existing wagons or create them?

In post 163, boring wrote:

In post 154, Antihuman wrote:What about mozamis?

Sorry, I just realized that I completed skipped this part of your question. Mozamis is certainly in the bottom half for me. My vote might end up there later, if I never find a reason to TR him.

On the other hand, he's the easiest vote right now, and I've not seen a lot of scum flips Day 1. (None first-hand, outside a game on MU where the PL just happened to be scum)

Are you saying we shouldn't lynch an "obvious" target today? What is your suggested strategy then? Do you think random lynching from among a widely accepted scumpool is plausible, given the low percentage of hitting scum D1?

Have you re-evaluated your reads btw? Ready to cast a vote?

Eh I do have some better reads on some people.
Like Fitz and Moz are probably town. Moz needs the most time to develope the read. Not a huge fan of the wagon you're attempting to start up on them. Their tone seems to be coming from town. I might be able to give more on this read soon but not currently for ~reasons~
I also like Boring now.

Empking null leaning scum just for FoSing everyone who was not voting 7 pages in.
I wanna talk to them about why.

The Grey read needs more time to develop but right now they seem a lot more careful then how I remember him playing hence why I scumread him.

Oh yeah your points seem to be coming from town AH

In post 135, FancyPants wrote:
As for hawk the promise of digging into meta always seems town to me, just based on the pure effort required, when scum know they are just wasting their time. I did notice there was no follow up though.

Ugh. So basically another null read. Do you even have any substantial reads, apart from mozamis whom you're tunneling from the very beginning (which seems convenient, given it was your rvs vote)?

thank you!

In post 171, Antihuman wrote:

In post 135, FancyPants wrote:
As for hawk the promise of digging into meta always seems town to me, just based on the pure effort required, when scum know they are just wasting their time. I did notice there was no follow up though.

Ugh. So basically another null read. Do you even have any substantial reads, apart from mozamis whom you're tunneling from the very beginning (which seems convenient, given it was your rvs vote)?

I have town leans on a lot of people, but its to early to be certain of anyone. I'm not 100% sold on Mozamis either but he's not giving me any reason to drop it, he hasn't even posted since he's had a bit of pressure on him, not exact a positive sign. Boring and Empking are my strongest town reads.

I gave somewhat of a read list in 89, at the moment I would say scum are probably Moz, SnarkySnowman + one more, maybe ConManMick.

To clarify I find it highly suspicious that Snarky found the thread but hasn't bothered to interact with it - feels like he's trying to lay low and as for ConManMick, I see nothing but fluff and absolutely no desire to catch scum.
Combined with PoE from town leans I'd say those three are a good shout.