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Post Post #725 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:14 am

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Vote Count 3.4

[3] Gamma Emerald: TheSoldier, hapahauli, CloudKicker,
[1] SnarkySnowman: Creature,
[1] CloudKicker: SnarkySnowman,

Not voting: Gamma Emerald, Börk Börk,

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Post Post #726 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:19 am

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Hmm, feeling TheSoldier is town currently.
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Post Post #727 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:19 am

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So Gamma wagon so far looks all town.
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Post Post #728 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:32 am

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@hapahauli
I don't disagree with your case, because from a certain standpoint it makes sense, especially the part about him generally being passive. However I wouldn't necessarily read his interactions with Vij as scummy, since if I had my vote on someone and then they said something that made sense, I wouldn't tell them that it doesn't make sense simply because I also think they're scum.

I don't agree with your townread on CK because:
1) Pushing the game forward isn't something that I'd label as inherently town behaviour. I'd say it's more dependent on one's general playstyle, i.e. active vs passive.
2) What makes one's attitude to a NL scummy? Again, I didn't read that as alignment-indicative.
3) Eeeeh... I can sort of agree with this point, I guess.
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Post Post #729 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 5:34 am

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Top lynches for me today would be Snarky or CK, though I can't see the latter happening.
Hapahauli is probably my top townread.
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Post Post #730 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:49 am

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In post 727, Creature wrote:So Gamma wagon so far looks all town.
Why? Other than his post on Gamma, he hasn't done much else. Like if we are wrong on gamma, he doesn't look great.
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Post Post #731 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:53 am

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In post 729, Börk Börk wrote:Top lynches for me today would be Snarky or CK, though I can't see the latter happening.
Hapahauli is probably my top townread.
Scumreads. Cool. Progress I guess.

I think Snarky is lynchbait. He is a lurker regardless of alignment. Why is he mafia?

Also, what's scummy about CK? You've told me why his behavior is non alignment indicative, but no why he's suspicious.
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Post Post #732 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:42 am

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In post 729, Börk Börk wrote:Top lynches for me today would be Snarky or CK, though I can't see the latter happening.
Hapahauli is probably my top townread.
Even if you scumread me, i cant be a higher priority lynch over gamma in any town mind
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Post Post #733 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:15 pm

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CK: hapahauli sees the same things I did. Gamma gives the excuse of shit connection, and sure, I believe that. But that's an excuse for sparse posting, not empty posting. He clearly had the ability to post on game-related things, and even quotes things, but there's no analysis and no followup to anything.

Börk, formulate some thoughts here. Why do you think Cloud is scum, or more likely to be scum than Gamma? What makes Snarky's lack of content worse than Gamma's? Why is hapahauli top town?

SnarkySnowman: Have you read the stuff on Gamma? Do you think CK is scum, and if so, why?
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Post Post #734 (ISO) » Sat Feb 04, 2017 2:58 pm

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just ingore bork
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Post Post #735 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:05 am

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I think Cloud is scum because his reasoning for why I'm scum was shitty and sounded fake. Why? Because it basically amounted to picking at wording and at the fact that I posted a post with additional info
right after
a previous one, even though that's basically my posting style. Scumreads picking exclusively at syntax or wording of a few posts are shit and should be ignored.

I think Snarky's lack of posting is worse for a couple of reasons. For one, literally nobody gave a damn D1 and D2, and it's rather surprising that
nobody
noticed. I'd expect at least one person (other than me) to call it out. That slightly hints to me that perhaps his scumbuddy was trying to distract from it, because lurking is normally something noticeable. Secondly, he makes votes, which would give a lot of people the illusion that he's being active and voting, but at the same time he doesn't really push his votes, so he can't be scrutinised that much if whoever he's voting for flips town.

Why are they both worse than Gamma? Firstly, I wouldn't say they're
a lot
worse than him, but I just don't think scum would be that obvious/nonchalant. Like, I just get the impression that he can't be bothered with the game and is half-assing his posts, which makes him kinda lynchbait. I just feel like scum would be making more of an effort to get things done in a setup such as this where being lynchbait as scum is especially bad.
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Post Post #736 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:05 am

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In post 734, CloudKicker wrote:just ingore bork
Omfg, seriously? Replace out, go back to 4chan, and never play mafia again. Please :)
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Post Post #737 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:10 am

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Why is hapahauli top town?
Whoops, missed this question. Honestly, he's just making more sense than most people in this game.
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Post Post #738 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:29 am

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Can you vote gamma ?
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Post Post #739 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:29 am

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In post 735, Börk Börk wrote:I think Cloud is scum because his reasoning for why I'm scum was shitty and sounded fake. Why? Because it basically amounted to picking at wording and at the fact that I posted a post with additional info
right after
a previous one, even though that's basically my posting style. Scumreads picking exclusively at syntax or wording of a few posts are shit and should be ignored.

I think Snarky's lack of posting is worse for a couple of reasons. For one, literally nobody gave a damn D1 and D2, and it's rather surprising that
nobody
noticed. I'd expect at least one person (other than me) to call it out. That slightly hints to me that perhaps his scumbuddy was trying to distract from it, because lurking is normally something noticeable. Secondly, he makes votes, which would give a lot of people the illusion that he's being active and voting, but at the same time he doesn't really push his votes, so he can't be scrutinised that much if whoever he's voting for flips town.

Why are they both worse than Gamma? Firstly, I wouldn't say they're
a lot
worse than him, but I just don't think scum would be that obvious/nonchalant. Like, I just get the impression that he can't be bothered with the game and is half-assing his posts, which makes him kinda lynchbait. I just feel like scum would be making more of an effort to get things done in a setup such as this where being lynchbait as scum is especially bad.

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Post Post #740 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:33 am

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6 more hours until Gamma is prodded.
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Post Post #741 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:12 am

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I don't actually think cloud kicker is scum, I just hate the hammer on nl yesterday. Yes it was the right move logically BUT also we had SO MUCH TIME to figure things out and then nl.

Gamma wagon irks me a little but it could be scum, I want to think on it for a bit. I don't think the people on it are town but I could be wrong.
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Post Post #742 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:14 am

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In post 725, JasonWazza wrote:[3] Gamma Emerald: TheSoldier, hapahauli, CloudKicker,
Who do you think is scum there?
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Post Post #743 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:46 am

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In post 741, SnarkySnowman wrote:I don't actually think cloud kicker is scum, I just hate the hammer on nl yesterday. Yes it was the right move logically BUT also we had SO MUCH TIME to figure things out and then nl.

Gamma wagon irks me a little but it could be scum, I want to think on it for a bit. I don't think the people on it are town but I could be wrong.
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Post Post #744 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:51 am

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In post 735, Börk Börk wrote:I think Cloud is scum because his reasoning for why I'm scum was shitty and sounded fake. Why? Because it basically amounted to picking at wording and at the fact that I posted a post with additional info
right after
a previous one, even though that's basically my posting style. Scumreads picking exclusively at syntax or wording of a few posts are shit and should be ignored.
Alright, so you think he has a bad scumread on you. Townies are perfectly capable of making bad scumreads. What makes CK mafia? That his reasoning "sounds fake" to you isn't very convincing to the rest of us.
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gamma's
lack of posting is worse for a couple of reasons. For one, literally nobody gave a damn D1 and D2, and it's rather surprising that
nobody
noticed. I'd expect at least one person (other than me) to call it out. That slightly hints to me that perhaps his scumbuddy was trying to distract from it, because lurking is normally something noticeable. Secondly, he makes votes, which would give a lot of people the illusion that he's being active and voting, but at the same time he doesn't really push his votes, so he can't be scrutinised that much if whoever he's voting for flips town.

Why are they both worse than
Gamma
snarky?
? Firstly, I wouldn't say they're
a lot
worse than him, but I just don't think scum would be that obvious/nonchalant. Like, I just get the impression that he can't be bothered with the game and is half-assing his posts, which makes him kinda lynchbait. I just feel like scum would be making more of an effort to get things done in a setup such as this where being lynchbait as scum is especially bad.
The problem I have with your reads, is that your reasoning for reading Gamma and Snarky scum vs. lynchbait are completely interchangeable.
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Post Post #745 (ISO) » Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:01 am

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In post 737, Börk Börk wrote:
Why is hapahauli top town?
Whoops, missed this question. Honestly, he's just making more sense than most people in this game.
Also, this rationale doesn't make a lot of sense.
1) "Making more sense than most people" doesn't follow with "top town." You called me
top town
, not
townier than most others
.
2) How can i be making sense according to your viewpoint? I'm voting and pushing someone that is outside of your radar (gamma). Your top two scumreads are CK and Snarky, one of which I'm hard-defending, and another I'm very dismissive of as lynchbait.
If you believe your scumreads, how can I be making sense? I'm almost directly arguing against all of your reads
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Post Post #746 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:08 am

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Towner than the others is a term that here is synonymous with top town due to my inability to discern any concrete townreads here. While I don't agree with your arguments, you're actually laying out the points in a believable way for a townie.
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Post Post #747 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:11 am

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And CK is mafia because, as I previously stated, I don't care if my argument isn't convincing to you. I'm hoping it'll just convince enough people to lynch him so that we can actually win this game.

And I don't think my reads on Gamma and Snarky are interchangeable. Snarky is trying to give the illusion of effort hidden behind minimal posting. Gamma seems to post more but half-ass the content openly. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.
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Post Post #748 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:44 am

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In post 747, Börk Börk wrote:And CK is mafia because, as I previously stated, I don't care if my argument isn't convincing to you. I'm hoping it'll just convince enough people to lynch him so that we can actually win this game.
You should probably care, since your options for swinging a lynch are very limited. Let's assume that both you and I are town, and that CK is mafia. Then you'd have to convince all three other townies to vote your case, with no margin for error. That's pretty ambitious. That doesn't even take into account what happens if you're wrong about scum-reads.
And I don't think my reads on Gamma and Snarky are interchangeable. Snarky is trying to give the illusion of effort hidden behind minimal posting. Gamma seems to post more but half-ass the content openly. I don't know how much clearer I can make it.
Yes you keep saying that, by why the distinction? Why is it that you think Snarky's posting is giving the "illusion of effort", whereas Gamma's is genuine? I cannot argue or corroborate with your feelings. Only facts suffice.

I just spent most of the last page arguing why I think the opposite is true. Gamma looks a lot like he's posting for the sake of posting. He's in the thread, has scum-reads, but doesn't push them (and instead pushes other players, like you). He complains about other players methods to push the game forward, and does nothing himself. All this points to Gamma giving the "illusion of effort", while being unhelpful to town.

Snarky is a lurker. How is that illusory? He's not really hiding his lurkiness or prod-dodging. I'm not reading him as town, but knowing his lurker playstyle, I don't have convincing reasons to read him as mafia.

Your opinions are the opposite of mine for reasons you are unable or unwilling to tell me. "Feelings" ain't enough for town to burn a lynch that could potentially win the game right here on the spot.
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Post Post #749 (ISO) » Mon Feb 06, 2017 4:46 am

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Don't rlly know how to respond to the case on me since it just feels rehashed
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