Open 680.1 C9++ | Endgame

ThinkBig · Post Post #2500 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:18 am

MarioManiac4 has been lynched!!! He was a...

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A win condition has been achieved! Congratulations to the....

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ThinkBig · Post Post #2501 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:20 am

Game Events

Day 1

Gamma Emerald is lynched with 1 scum on his wagon

Night 1

Alchemist21 cops CommKnight (result: CommKnight is town)
Narna kills Alchemist21 (result: Alchemist21 is dead)
Davesaz makes no kill.

Day 2

CommKnight, a vanilla townie, is lynched with 2 scum on his wagon.

Night 2

Davesaz kills MathBlade (results: MathBlade is dead)
Umlaut kills FireScreamer (result: FireScreamer is dead)

Day 3

Titus is lynched

Night 3

davesaz submits no kill
Umlaut kills Green Crayons (results: Green Crayons will die)

Day 4

Narna is lynched with 2 scum on her wagon

Night 4

Umlaut kills davesaz (results: davesaz is dead)
davesaz no kills.

Day 5

Mario is lynched with one scum on his wagon

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ThinkBig · Post Post #2502 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:22 am

Congratulations to the mafia on their win.

I would like to thank everyone for participating in this game. Despite my mod error in the first game, you all stuck through to the end and helped make this game great. I am thankful that this game remained toxic-free. You all deserve a huge round of applause for keeping it that way.

Good game all.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #2503 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:24 am

ITT MM4 is a bad mafia player
gg

RoryMK · Post Post #2504 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:26 am

Can you open dead unspoilered PT?

GG Umlaut.should have stuck with my Original read.

So why did FB replace out??

Umlaut · Post Post #2505 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:28 am

Kind of felt bad for FB today with everyone giving him a hard time for replacing out as scum. I don't know why he did.

Umlaut · Post Post #2506 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:29 am

If you want to see me slowly going mad trying to figure out how to handle the endgame because I assumed davesaz was 1-shot BP, the Mafia thread is a good read.

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #2507 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:30 am

so that would mean a 3 v 1 v 1 scenario correct
i guess you'd just lynch me
and kill davesaz the following night, while he probably kills you
which i guess means a town win?

ThinkBig · Post Post #2508 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:31 am

In post 2504, RoryMK wrote:Can you open dead unspoilered PT?

GG Umlaut.should have stuck with my Original read.

So why did FB replace out??

1. Done
2. NO idea why he replaced out

Umlaut · Post Post #2509 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:35 am

In 1:1:3 I would have tried to get Dave lynched since it wouldn't be an autoloss for town, but I'm not sure I could have managed that. Actually I expected him to try and kill town though, and in fact I was afraid he would kill me

thinking

I was town. (If he were BP and did kill me that would effectively out him as SK and town would win by lynching him.)

If today were 1:1:2 I would have probably outed myself and hoped for a happily-ever-after. Dave couldn't have won but I probably couldn't have either.

Umlaut · Post Post #2510 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:38 am

Yesterday was weird. I actually

wanted

to resist the Narna wagon just enough to put my alignment in doubt, because as far as I knew Dave had me as top-tier town and I didn't want him sure enough of that to kill me.

Umlaut · Post Post #2511 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:47 am

Oh yeah, and thanks for running this, TB & Ari!

ThinkBig · Post Post #2512 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:48 am

In post 2511, Umlaut wrote:Oh yeah, and thanks for running this, TB & Ari!

My pleasure.

@ari - thanks for your help while I was in the hospital

MarioManiac4 · Post Post #2513 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 8:48 am

yeah, i didn't play much of this game but from what I did play TB was great

Alchemist21 · Post Post #2514 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 9:22 am

gg all!

Thanks to TB and Ari!

davesaz · Post Post #2515 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 9:46 am

My whole pregame strategy was to be scummy enough to be copped without being scummy enough to be lynched. Having the cop get killed was a worst case scenario.
I guess I take away from this that I'm no longer serious lynch bait like I used to be.

The no kill on N1 was from thinking the "Dave is SK" movement would gain enough velocity, and being worried that there was nobody I could kill that would be safe from suspicion.
The other no kills were from wanting to keep the no SK path alive if there were another town PR, by being able to finesse the 1 shot vs full. Really surprised that not claiming flew so long.

Titus, the scumread was indeed real, I was not making it up. I saw serious activity level differences from what I'm used to.
Math, sorry for shooting you on replace in, it was the only reasonable "leashed" kill I could make.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #2516 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 10:02 am

In post 2515, davesaz wrote:My whole pregame strategy was to be scummy enough to be copped without being scummy enough to be lynched. Having the cop get killed was a worst case scenario.
I guess I take away from this that I'm no longer serious lynch bait like I used to be.

The no kill on N1 was from thinking the "Dave is SK" movement would gain enough velocity, and being worried that there was nobody I could kill that would be safe from suspicion.
The other no kills were from wanting to keep the no SK path alive if there were another town PR, by being able to finesse the 1 shot vs full. Really surprised that not claiming flew so long.

Titus, the scumread was indeed real, I was not making it up. I saw serious activity level differences from what I'm used to.
Math, sorry for shooting you on replace in, it was the only reasonable "leashed" kill I could make.

Related to this I saw something in the Mafia thread from TB I disagree with. He said your investigation immunity would have given a "no result" had I investigated you. Without an RB, such a message basically confirms you as an investigation immune SK anyway and makes the power moot. It doesn't specify this in the wiki page for this setup, but I firmly believe investigation immunity should give innocent results to Cops instead of a "no result" message.

Umlaut · Post Post #2517 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 10:04 am

I should have known dave was SK earlier because this was the first time I've ever townread him.

Alchemist21 · Post Post #2518 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 10:07 am

Oh yeah, Dave how does it feel to have been an SK twice now knowing that people go their whole lives never drawing 3p roles?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2519 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 12:51 pm

In post 2515, davesaz wrote:My whole pregame strategy was to be scummy enough to be copped without being scummy enough to be lynched. Having the cop get killed was a worst case scenario.
I guess I take away from this that I'm no longer serious lynch bait like I used to be.

The no kill on N1 was from thinking the "Dave is SK" movement would gain enough velocity, and being worried that there was nobody I could kill that would be safe from suspicion.
The other no kills were from wanting to keep the no SK path alive if there were another town PR, by being able to finesse the 1 shot vs full. Really surprised that not claiming flew so long.

Titus, the scumread was indeed real, I was not making it up. I saw serious activity level differences from what I'm used to.
Math, sorry for shooting you on replace in, it was the only reasonable "leashed" kill I could make.

Yeah
Even when mafia I'm good at scumhunting

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2520 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 12:52 pm

In post 2516, Alchemist21 wrote:
In post 2515, davesaz wrote:My whole pregame strategy was to be scummy enough to be copped without being scummy enough to be lynched. Having the cop get killed was a worst case scenario.
I guess I take away from this that I'm no longer serious lynch bait like I used to be.

The no kill on N1 was from thinking the "Dave is SK" movement would gain enough velocity, and being worried that there was nobody I could kill that would be safe from suspicion.
The other no kills were from wanting to keep the no SK path alive if there were another town PR, by being able to finesse the 1 shot vs full. Really surprised that not claiming flew so long.

Titus, the scumread was indeed real, I was not making it up. I saw serious activity level differences from what I'm used to.
Math, sorry for shooting you on replace in, it was the only reasonable "leashed" kill I could make.
Related to this I saw something in the Mafia thread from TB I disagree with. He said your investigation immunity would have given a "no result" had I investigated you. Without an RB, such a message basically confirms you as an investigation immune SK anyway and makes the power moot. It doesn't specify this in the wiki page for this setup, but I firmly believe investigation immunity should give innocent results to Cops instead of a "no result" message.

Haha guess Town was super lucky to lynch me D1

Aristophanes · Post Post #2521 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 1:18 pm

This was fun!

Congrats scumteam

davesaz · Post Post #2522 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 3:08 pm

In post 2518, Alchemist21 wrote:Oh yeah, Dave how does it feel to have been an SK twice now knowing that people go their whole lives never drawing 3p roles?

To compensate, I'm way behind in scum draws. Some people seem to be able to get mafia several games in a row, I think I was over 10 games in before getting my first. Or at least it felt like it.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2523 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 3:09 pm

I think I have a curse where in certain queues I way too frequently roll scum

CommKnight · Post Post #2524 (ISO) » Tue May 23, 2017 3:35 pm

I was kinda sour no one went back to bother with my line of thought, not even A50.

I was right with one being on the Gamma lynch and one being off. I was right about Umlaut being the odd one out on the Titus counter-wagon. I was even right about no one from scum team last game being scum this game.

Might disagree with my method. But when it's right it's bloody right. I only TR'd Gamma mistakenly and that was a factor in lynching me. (Though I still do not understand your guys' mindsets on that one. I am willing to bus easily. Even be among the first 2-3 voters on my partners. I would never resist a wagon like that that hard on a scum buddy).