Open 689: Lovers Mafia (Game Over!)

[Sesq]

so?

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Kasumet is probably town.

Would you like to get Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band back together with me, Kasumet?

[Sesq]

oh can i join

[Kasumeat]

I have to go to work but in the meantime, please ponder how it's possibly acceptable to

1. Create a brand new account
2. After receiving your role, declare "I'm going to play really scummy this game, it's how I always play on this account"
3. Not get lynched

[Sesq]

can you quote where this happened

[Oversoul]

I have to go to work but in the meantime, please ponder how it's possibly acceptable to

1. Create a brand new account
2. After receiving your role, declare "I'm going to play really scummy this game, it's how I always play on this account"
3. Not get lynched

The order might not be how you think it is. For all we know, before A2 was actually created, A2 could have said on their main they were going to create a lurking alt.

Have you not thought of this situation?

[Kasumeat]

If there's actually evidence of this, I would of course reconsider

[Chickadee]

can you quote where this happened

What we're talking about i at the bottom of post 26.

Fun fact.
Did you know this is the alt where I lurk?
Yeah.
I'ma go do that.
bye!

[Lil Uzi Vert]

oh can i join

Maybe.

[A2]

VOTE: Kasu
Organizing this wall into 2 parts.
The first being where I destroy Kasu
The second being where I don't destroy Kasu

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This is the part where I destroy Kasu

The sort of discussion where scum say something scummy and then you lynch them for it, obviously.

Also, it doesn't sit well with me that you throw shade on me for asking an RQ and then declare you're doing to lurk in this 6-player game.

VOTE: A2
Serious vote.

So, basicly this answer tells me that you didn't really plan on doing anything with that information at all. Which is why I thought it was random. You were essentially asking a question to look like you were doing something.
Then you decide to vote me and think I'm scum for basicly declaring I am mostly going to lurk.
I would be lurking as either alignment friend

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I've already got a player to say "I'm going to lurk all game" so I was obviously successful in getting scum to say scummy things. That's what I was hoping for.

How is this scummy like at all? Please do tell me.

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And frankly, sure, my question might be used by scum to manufacture in-game connections between town, but it's even more helpful to town for us to know that those connections exist beforehand. If two players have a synergy/understanding ahead of time that town are unaware of but scum is, scum can exploit that, but if town is aware, it's much more difficult.

I'm pretty sure I read this post like twenty times, and had no idea what you were communicating here.
Like this post makes like
no sense
at all.

I don't get it.

Basicly scum can't exploit and manipulate relationships?????????

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Can I just point out that A2 created this account specifically for the purpose of playing this particular game? Who the fuck creates a lurking alt and then uses it to play a 6-player game unless they're just scum trying to slip by.

LOL SO BASICLY YOU'RE SAYING HERE THAT I WAS SCUM WHEN I TYPED /IN
Like, this is a compelete reach.
I never said or stated for this particular game I was going to lurk.
I said this is my lurking alt in general.
Where I lurk and focus on not spamming the thread.

This sounds like you have more information then me.
IE you're scum.

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They don't know they're going to be scum beforehand

VOTE: Kasumeat

This is so fucking bad that it might be even less likely to be town than A2. A2 declared that she was a lurker account AFTER she got her role PM. Can you not see how that's incredibly fucking shady? Can you not see that you defending that practice is incredibly fucking shady?

Please describe to me how lurking is a scumtell? Because it's not.
And this isn't even lurking for me, this is posting less then I usually do.
A lot less.

And because sesq is defending a lurker means she's scum?
Another fucking baseless reach.

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You're implying that it's OK to create a new account for every single game one plays and then declare self-meta and then that self-meta be taken as gospel.

I only have one game on this alt. This is the ONLY game I have on this alt. That's not even self-metaing. To meta someone you need to have COMPLETED GAMES. That's just me announcing how I am going to approach games on this alt.

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HE FUCKING DECLARED THAT HE WAS GOING TO LURK AFTER HIS ROLE PM HOLY SHIT. ON A BRAND NEW FUCKING ACCOUNT

AGAIN, THIS SHIT IS BASELESS.

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I have to go to work but in the meantime, please ponder how it's possibly acceptable to

1. Create a brand new account
2. After receiving your role, declare "I'm going to play really scummy this game, it's how I always play on this account"
3. Not get lynched

Lol 2 is complete misrep.
I don't get lynch if I'm town.
OH WAIT!
I AM TOWN!
HAH!

I also noted everyone's response to Kasu' push.
Chick, LUV, and Oversoul all ignore it at first or don't say anything on it.
Chick follows up on my question later on.
Sesq votes it.
Kasu and Sesq fight
Chick THEN decides to give her thoughts on Kasu' push, basicly telling Kasu to re-evaluate. She basicly fence sits.
LUV townreads Kasu.

@LUV

- Can you expand on this townread?
Oversoul gives his thoughts on this push.

I'm noting this because if Kasu was town, I feel like there would be more discussion about what Kasu was actually doing then just letting him do whatever he wants to be doing.



This is the talking about everything else.

I've played with LUV, and I know A2's alt, but none of that really matters much in the grand scheme of things.

LUV and Chick bore me =(

D:

Ya know I like the both of ywall, just I've played with ywall and it's just nothing new.
New things make me interested and excited.
Ya know?

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VOTE: A2

Lynch all lurkers

VOTE: Oversoul
you are probably the one person I'm the most excited to play with here.
LUV and Chick bore me =(

Huh? (wind waker salesman voice)
Who are you?

I haven't played with you, you haven't played with me.
So you just seem exciting to play with.
That's all.

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Yeah.
I am going to lurk in a 6 player game.
I'm inspiring my playstyle off of a player named Katsuki
who basicly for majority of the time, well, lurks.
As either alignment.
They even got a nicknamed
Lurksuki
because they lurk so much.

On my main, I'm a spammy spammy spamfuck.
So this is a change.
If you don't like it, deal with it.

dw tho, you'll see me again when I found some scum. Alright?
I'll post more when I'm ready.

Are you Titus or RachMarie?

None of those :p

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The sort of discussion where scum say something scummy and then you lynch them for it, obviously.

Also, it doesn't sit well with me that you throw shade on me for asking an RQ and then declare you're doing to lurk in this 6-player game.

VOTE: A2
Serious vote.

I'm also curious as to what you really hoped to gain from asking that question. What scummy things were you expecting scum to say by answering who we've played with before? It sounds like you're just trying to make connection between people early on.

Why follow up on this now and not earlier?

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this is obvious shade-tossing.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK HE'S HARDPUSHING ME.

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Can I just point out that A2 created this account specifically for the purpose of playing this particular game? Who the fuck creates a lurking alt and then uses it to play a 6-player game unless they're just scum trying to slip by.

I feel like you're just trying to throw shade on A2 at this point.

NOT SHIT SHERLOCK HE'S HARDPUSHING ME.

[Chickadee]

The sort of discussion where scum say something scummy and then you lynch them for it, obviously.

Also, it doesn't sit well with me that you throw shade on me for asking an RQ and then declare you're doing to lurk in this 6-player game.

VOTE: A2
Serious vote.

I'm also curious as to what you really hoped to gain from asking that question. What scummy things were you expecting scum to say by answering who we've played with before? It sounds like you're just trying to make connection between people early on.

Why follow up on this now and not earlier?

I thought it was going to go further, but the ball was dropped, so I picked it up.

[aronagrundy]

Vote Count 1.1

Kasumeat (2):

Sesq, A2

A2 (1):

Kasumeat

Lil Uzi Vert (1):

Oversoul

Oversoul (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

Not Voting (1):

Chickadee

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day ends in (expired on 2017-06-05 14:34:00).

[Kasumeat]

From the Mafiascum Wiki on Lurking: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lurking

Lurking is the act of intentionally not posting during a game Day. This is not to be confused with not having access at all, which can range from a legitimate excuse to flaking.

Lurking is a profoundly defensive strategy.

In exchange for not providing any information to the Town, lurkers render themselves very difficult to lynch due to the lack of information needed to build a convincing reason to lynch them (beyond the obvious excuse "they're lurking"). These are both negative traits as far as the Town is concerned; in addition to being unhelpful for finding others' alignments, they're unhelpful for displaying their own. Thus, lurking is a preferable strategy for scum if they are allowed to get away with it, as they provide no help to the Town and can simply wait as the active players self-destruct on each other.

Thus, lurkers are considered infuriating to deal with from the Town's perspective, and

players who lurk regardless of alignment are usually considered bad players

(if not bad people in general). However, some players manage to justify lurking even as Town. Power roles such as Doctor or Cop may deliberately avoid posting so as to avoid the scum's notice, thereby avoiding the nightly kills until it is time for them to claim. Alternatively, some players believe that it is best to sit on the sidelines during Day 1 and pick up the pieces on subsequent Days after there is information to go on.

[Chickadee]

Oh awkawrd. I'm the only one not voting.

Jus too be clear, Kasu and A2 are the only ones with serious votes?

Kasu is the only one on my radar right now. But I'd like to know if other votes are serious yet.

[Kasumeat]

So, as we can see above, lurking is very clearly scummy and anti-town.

You've declared that you are intentionally going to play scummy and anti-town.

And to do so in such a small game is even scummier than in most game.

It's also pretty fucking hilarious that you just defended yourself by saying "don't accuse me of self-meta, I haven't even played a game on this account yet, my case to defend myself is even weaker than self-meta!"

You cannot just create a new account and then declare you're going to play scummy (even though you're totally 100% conftown!) after you get your role. If town lets people get away with that, they'll just do it every fucking game. With no game history to go through on yourself, your claim of "I always play like this on this account!" is completely worthless and should be ignored by everyone. What shouldn't be ignored is that you just declared you're going to play scummy as fuck this game, and now I'm going to lynch you for that.

[Chickadee]

There are plenty of people that lurk as either alignment.

[Kasumeat]

There are plenty of people that lurk as either alignment.

There is a big, big difference between people's natural playstyles, and intentional lurking. The former is just how people play naturally. But A2 has very clearly stated that they are intentionally going against their natural playstyle, and are instead intentionally playing anti-town. Playing anti-town is either
a) against the "play to win" rules of the game for a townie to do, or
b) how scum would play
Seeing as A2 hasn't been modkilled yet, they're confscum.

[Kasumeat]

Or, much more often:
c) something that bad town do by accident, but A2 has clearly stated she intends to do it on purpose, so this is not an option

[Chickadee]

Seeing as A2 hasn't been modkilled yet, they're confscum.

So how do you feel about the bolded here:

I never said or stated for this particular game I was going to lurk.
I said this is my lurking alt in general.

Where I lurk and focus on not spamming the thread

.

[Kasumeat]

I think that lurking is far, far, far more scummy than posting a lot. And the fucking wiki agrees with me without question.

[Kasumeat]

Oh and A2, to clarify that post you didn't understand:

If there are previous relationships between people in this game, it's best that everybody knows about them. If only scum know about them, they can potentially exploit them. If everybody does, it makes it very difficult for scum to do so.

[Kasumeat]

That said, thank you A2 for posting some content.

If I'm somehow wrong about A2, which I don't think is actually possible for the reasons I stated in #66, I think the most suspicious players would be Chick & Lesq, who are both trying to defend lurking as somehow not being scummy, and pushing me for asking an RQ. I think there is almost certainly at least one scum between the two.

Oversoul & LUV, who are you scumreads so far?

[A2]

UNVOTE:

From the Mafiascum Wiki on Lurking: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lurking

Lurking is the act of intentionally not posting during a game Day. This is not to be confused with not having access at all, which can range from a legitimate excuse to flaking.

Lurking is a profoundly defensive strategy.

In exchange for not providing any information to the Town, lurkers render themselves very difficult to lynch due to the lack of information needed to build a convincing reason to lynch them (beyond the obvious excuse "they're lurking"). These are both negative traits as far as the Town is concerned; in addition to being unhelpful for finding others' alignments, they're unhelpful for displaying their own. Thus, lurking is a preferable strategy for scum if they are allowed to get away with it, as they provide no help to the Town and can simply wait as the active players self-destruct on each other.

Thus, lurkers are considered infuriating to deal with from the Town's perspective, and

players who lurk regardless of alignment are usually considered bad players

(if not bad people in general). However, some players manage to justify lurking even as Town. Power roles such as Doctor or Cop may deliberately avoid posting so as to avoid the scum's notice, thereby avoiding the nightly kills until it is time for them to claim. Alternatively, some players believe that it is best to sit on the sidelines during Day 1 and pick up the pieces on subsequent Days after there is information to go on.

Okay, you can be town.
Just note that the wiki can be very outdated.

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Oh awkawrd. I'm the only one not voting.

Jus too be clear, Kasu and A2 are the only ones with serious votes?

Kasu is the only one on my radar right now. But I'd like to know if other votes are serious yet.

Sesq's sounded serious.

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So, as we can see above, lurking is very clearly scummy and anti-town.

You've declared that you are intentionally going to play scummy and anti-town.

And to do so in such a small game is even scummier than in most game.

It's also pretty fucking hilarious that you just defended yourself by saying "don't accuse me of self-meta, I haven't even played a game on this account yet, my case to defend myself is even weaker than self-meta!"

You cannot just create a new account and then declare you're going to play scummy (even though you're totally 100% conftown!) after you get your role. If town lets people get away with that, they'll just do it every fucking game. With no game history to go through on yourself, your claim of "I always play like this on this account!" is completely worthless and should be ignored by everyone. What shouldn't be ignored is that you just declared you're going to play scummy as fuck this game, and now I'm going to lynch you for that.

The wiki is kinda really outdated when it comes to this stuff. That was back in a time long ago where wallposters dominated site and lurkers were punished for lurking. Now the site meta is spamspamspam and lurkers get to hide in the spam.

What you're suggesting here isn't that I'm scum, it's moreso a policy lynch.
From your PoV, lurking is the strongest scumtell on the planet earth. So, in your opinion, why would I purposely say as scum "I am going to mostly be lurking?" Why wouldn't I just do it?
You have to remember that I am a fairly good player. You kinda don't really have a snowball's chance in hell of lynching me this early. Especially considering your case is fairly weak imo.
Good luck on convincing people on your bad read though

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There are plenty of people that lurk as either alignment.

There is a big, big difference between people's natural playstyles, and intentional lurking. The former is just how people play naturally. But A2 has very clearly stated that they are intentionally going against their natural playstyle, and are instead intentionally playing anti-town. Playing anti-town is either
a) against the "play to win" rules of the game for a townie to do, or
b) how scum would play

Seeing as A2 hasn't been modkilled yet, they're confscum.

Um...If I was going to play to my natural playstyle I would be playing on my main, not an alt...
I'm not going to fine tune my playstyle just to appease you.
Also LMAO the bolded.

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Or, much more often:
c) something that bad town do by accident, but A2 has clearly stated she intends to do it on purpose, so this is not an option

Why not D: I'm trying out a new playstyle, and experimenting on an alt?

Because tons of people lurk all of the fucking time. It doesn't mean they're scum.

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I think that lurking is far, far, far more scummy than posting a lot. And the fucking wiki agrees with me without question.

Oh you are so wrong.
Spamposting is a bad habit for a couple of reasons.
A. It makes catching up fairly difficult for players. Becuase of this, players fall behind if they can't keep up. This results to them being lynched for not being able to keep up, or them replacing out, which leaves their replacement to have to deal with the mess that is a very long game that is probably going to take awhile to read.
B. It makes ISOs really difficult to read and it makes it harder to case people.
C. It makes looking back a bitch.

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Oh and A2, to clarify that post you didn't understand:

If there are previous relationships between people in this game, it's best that everybody knows about them. If only scum know about them, they can potentially exploit them. If everybody does, it makes it very difficult for scum to do so.

Not really...

I'll be back.
pedit: that's because it isn't. And it's not really pushing you for asking a random question, it's moreso just trying to see what you'll do with it if anything.

[Kasumeat]

UNVOTE:

From the Mafiascum Wiki on Lurking: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lurking

Lurking is the act of intentionally not posting during a game Day. This is not to be confused with not having access at all, which can range from a legitimate excuse to flaking.

Lurking is a profoundly defensive strategy.

In exchange for not providing any information to the Town, lurkers render themselves very difficult to lynch due to the lack of information needed to build a convincing reason to lynch them (beyond the obvious excuse "they're lurking"). These are both negative traits as far as the Town is concerned; in addition to being unhelpful for finding others' alignments, they're unhelpful for displaying their own. Thus, lurking is a preferable strategy for scum if they are allowed to get away with it, as they provide no help to the Town and can simply wait as the active players self-destruct on each other.

Thus, lurkers are considered infuriating to deal with from the Town's perspective, and

players who lurk regardless of alignment are usually considered bad players

(if not bad people in general). However, some players manage to justify lurking even as Town. Power roles such as Doctor or Cop may deliberately avoid posting so as to avoid the scum's notice, thereby avoiding the nightly kills until it is time for them to claim. Alternatively, some players believe that it is best to sit on the sidelines during Day 1 and pick up the pieces on subsequent Days after there is information to go on.

Okay, you can be town.
Just note that the wiki can be very outdated.

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Oh awkawrd. I'm the only one not voting.

Jus too be clear, Kasu and A2 are the only ones with serious votes?

Kasu is the only one on my radar right now. But I'd like to know if other votes are serious yet.

Sesq's sounded serious.

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So, as we can see above, lurking is very clearly scummy and anti-town.

You've declared that you are intentionally going to play scummy and anti-town.

And to do so in such a small game is even scummier than in most game.

It's also pretty fucking hilarious that you just defended yourself by saying "don't accuse me of self-meta, I haven't even played a game on this account yet, my case to defend myself is even weaker than self-meta!"

You cannot just create a new account and then declare you're going to play scummy (even though you're totally 100% conftown!) after you get your role. If town lets people get away with that, they'll just do it every fucking game. With no game history to go through on yourself, your claim of "I always play like this on this account!" is completely worthless and should be ignored by everyone. What shouldn't be ignored is that you just declared you're going to play scummy as fuck this game, and now I'm going to lynch you for that.

The wiki is kinda really outdated when it comes to this stuff. That was back in a time long ago where wallposters dominated site and lurkers were punished for lurking. Now the site meta is spamspamspam and lurkers get to hide in the spam.

What you're suggesting here isn't that I'm scum, it's moreso a policy lynch.
From your PoV, lurking is the strongest scumtell on the planet earth. So, in your opinion, why would I purposely say as scum "I am going to mostly be lurking?" Why wouldn't I just do it?
You have to remember that I am a fairly good player. You kinda don't really have a snowball's chance in hell of lynching me this early. Especially considering your case is fairly weak imo.
Good luck on convincing people on your bad read though

Yes, it is a policy lynch of sorts. But the reason it's scummy coming from you in this particular game, is my response to your question here: You would say you're going to do it because it gives you an excuse to hide behind. Lurking isn't going to go unnoticed in such a small game, so if you planned to do it, you would want to have a meta-based excuse ready. But since you say that you're not a lurker by nature, you have to manufacture one, which you did this game.

And FYI, the last person who made that "you're never lynching me" claim, I got lynched on D1, through a Cop claim. So don't think that's going to discourage me. You're going to have to actually make cases.

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There are plenty of people that lurk as either alignment.

There is a big, big difference between people's natural playstyles, and intentional lurking. The former is just how people play naturally. But A2 has very clearly stated that they are intentionally going against their natural playstyle, and are instead intentionally playing anti-town. Playing anti-town is either
a) against the "play to win" rules of the game for a townie to do, or
b) how scum would play

Seeing as A2 hasn't been modkilled yet, they're confscum.

Um...If I was going to play to my natural playstyle I would be playing on my main, not an alt...
I'm not going to fine tune my playstyle just to appease you.
Also LMAO the bolded.

If the mod clarifies that, I'll certainly concede the point. But from what I interpret, the rules say you have to play to win. Lurking is all-but-universally regarded as anti-town, so

intentionally

doing so as town would be not playing to win and would be mod-killable. It certainly would be on the other site I play on.

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Or, much more often:
c) something that bad town do by accident, but A2 has clearly stated she intends to do it on purpose, so this is not an option

Why not D: I'm trying out a new playstyle, and experimenting on an alt?

Because tons of people lurk all of the fucking time. It doesn't mean they're scum.

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I think that lurking is far, far, far more scummy than posting a lot. And the fucking wiki agrees with me without question.

Oh you are so wrong.
Spamposting is a bad habit for a couple of reasons.
A. It makes catching up fairly difficult for players. Becuase of this, players fall behind if they can't keep up. This results to them being lynched for not being able to keep up, or them replacing out, which leaves their replacement to have to deal with the mess that is a very long game that is probably going to take awhile to read.
B. It makes ISOs really difficult to read and it makes it harder to case people.
C. It makes looking back a bitch.

There is a difference between lurking and posting concisely. You're actually doing the latter this game, which is a Good Thing and makes me pause and wonder whether I should be more suspicious of your defenders than you. Either way, my pressure on your is working because you're posting content and not just lurking, so GJ me.

[A2]

Yes, it is a policy lynch of sorts. But the reason it's scummy coming from you in this particular game, is my response to your question here: You would say you're going to do it because it gives you an excuse to hide behind. Lurking isn't going to go unnoticed in such a small game, so if you planned to do it, you would want to have a meta-based excuse ready. But since you say that you're not a lurker by nature, you have to manufacture one, which you did this game.

And FYI, the last person who made that "you're never lynching me" claim, I got lynched on D1, through a Cop claim. So don't think that's going to discourage me. You're going to have to actually make cases.

I don't need to hide behind excuse when I have ability and skill. And I disagree, it is definitely going to be noticed in a 6 player game where you need all 4 town to lynch scum. It doesn't get noticed in a lot larger games.

And I'm not going to get lynched because as town, I have the ability to townpost.
Ya know, the thing you're doing? It's pretty fun

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If the mod clarifies that, I'll certainly concede the point. But from what I interpret, the rules say you have to play to win.

Who says I'm not doing that? Because it sounds like you're disregarding everything else I'm doing

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There is a difference between lurking and posting concisely. You're actually doing the latter this game, which is a Good Thing and makes me pause and wonder whether I should be more suspicious of your defenders than you. Either way, my pressure on your is working because you're posting content and not just lurking, so GJ me.

If you call repeating the same thing over and over again like a broken record pressure then yes, good job. You're doing it. Now let me lurk in peace okey, thankie