Open 701: Pick Yer Power X/Y Game Over!

[sheepsaysmeep]

ugh im just triggered at tex for checking me
like im the worst possible check by far

[sheepsaysmeep]

fitz's catchup is fine
i can vote momo

[havingfitz]

Popping in. AFK last several hours.

I'm liking town's chances. TBD town has a 66% chance of voting scum today. Hopefully the confirmed townies do the right thing with their 50% chance.

Viomi...can you talk a bit about why you tried to neighborize texcat last night and KidAdm the night before? Especially texcat who one would have to assume was a lock to be nk'd.

I'll look things over more tomorrow.

[Viomi]

The queen of lynch-the-inactives, somehow never went against CityElectric.

You do realize I said I'd be going for cityelectric and wanted him lynched like 8 times right?

I was kind of preoccupied trying to get you guys to take out Lalendra/LUV because I was p convinced she was scum. How would hopping to another lurker help me any?

Realizing my two biggest scumreads were both town kinda sucks though so I clearly need to do some more ISOing.. grumbles..

[Viomi]

Viomi...can you talk a bit about why you tried to neighborize texcat last night and KidAdm the night before? Especially texcat who one would have to assume was a lock to be nk'd.

texcat was so we could talk about a plan I've been trying to get Aster to listen to related to night actions and whatnot but he won't respond to the PT soo..

I've already explained KidAmn, both Aster and I thought it was the smartest move. This is correlated by that post where I dumped the entirety of our PT.

And since we have a JK, I figured he'd probably survive? I mean, he survived one night after having claimed, so.

[Viomi]

Actually, if one of the non-conf town is the JK, if they claim now we win because then we know who scum is. We lynch one and JK jails the other

[Viomi]

Actually, if one of the non-conf town is the JK, if they claim now we win because then we know who scum is. We lynch one and JK jails the other

ebwop

[Viomi]

fitz's catchup is fine
i can vote momo

And if it's Aster + fitz?

[Viomi]

Speaking of which UNVOTE:

No need to rush this

[havingfitz]

Actually, if one of the non-conf town is the JK, if they claim now we win because then we know who scum is. We lynch one and JK jails the other

Second this.

[Viomi]

We also know JK is town because scum would've picked Rolecop over Backup any day of the week.

[Viomi]

Wait is Aster

still

on me even after seeing texcat conf sheep and then flip green cop? fml

[havingfitz]

momo...do you have a few other scum games you can link me to?

[havingfitz]

How do we know there's a jk again? Is failed neighborizing the only hint?

[havingfitz]

Wait is Aster

still

on me even after seeing texcat conf sheep and then flip green cop? fml

What does texcat confirming sheep and flipping cop have to do with your alignment?

[Viomi]

How do we know there's a jk again? Is failed neighborizing the only hint?

Correct, and there's no other possible role that could do that based on the flips we've seen.

Wait is Aster

still

on me even after seeing texcat conf sheep and then flip green cop? fml

What does texcat confirming sheep and flipping cop have to do with your alignment?

His entire case on me was based on that he thought sheep scumslipped and said something he could only know if we had been sharing information through a scum-PT.

[KidAmn]

Roles aren't indicative of alignment though, or at least that's thr impression I've worked under.

[Viomi]

Roles aren't indicative of alignment though, or at least that's thr impression I've worked under.

Usually? No. But if the other option they were given in the draft was fucking amazing for scum and they chose the one that might land them with a meh town-role like doctor? I'm pretty sure they're town.

[Viomi]

P.S. not saying doctor is a meh role, just it isn't very great for scum

[havingfitz]

@Kid...no...roles are not indicative of alignment. Though some roles are more likely to be one alignment than the other...but no scum would claim the scummy role...they'd just claim (real or fake) that they took the alternative to the scummy role.

I have a niggling paranoia in the back of my mind that scum selected rolecop (or less likely UB) and scum!Viomi knows this...and that there is no JK...and keeps claiming how jk'ing action each night is preventing her from neighborizing people. When in fact she knows that can be happening. Also...as Kid mentioned...being a neighborizor in and of itself is in no way AI towards Viomi. Regardless of whether there is a jk in the game or not.

If momo or Aster are in fact a jk...please claim. While I do not think it would automatically clear you it would be something to consider. If we get the lynch wrong today it's not going to matter (most likely) whether a mimo/Aster jailkeeper has been outted.

If sheep or Kid are a JK I do not think they should claim as I do not see what good it would do (unless it was to cc a momo or Aster claim).

@Viomi...iirc you've had at least 2 neighborizations on Kid impacted (according to you) by jk actions.
HTF does that even make sense? That's saying either you were jailkept (why??) or Kid was. Not sure why a jk would jk you but Kid is a possibility. But jk'ing Kid...especially N3 makes no sense. JK you would a little.

But if you really think you were being impacted by jk actions you have to know the "jk" is not protecting texcat. And as there is no way a scum team could afford another texcat investigation (regardless of a guilty or not)...a JK HAS to know texcat is going to be the target last night. Unless scum have a deathwish. And if the town!jk is jk'ing you....they must know from N3 that jk'ing you did not prevent a kill (Creature).

If there is a jk in the game a claim might be good to know since we know they did not jk texcat and a kill went through. So a potential jk claim with action last night would at least clear someone 50% of not killing texcat and therefore not being scum.

I'm starting to ramble and forgetting where I am going. In summary though...I do not think your claim of neighborizing texcat makes sense as texcat was the most likely NK target.

And this is not an indictment towards Viomi yet. I'm mulling all three of my options over.

[Aster]

His entire case on me was based on that he thought sheep scumslipped and said something he could only know if we had been sharing information through a scum-PT.

Then you must've not read my last post, since I'm fairly sure it doesn't even contain Sheepy's name. The Sheepy/Viomi conspiracy may be dead, but that doesn't clear you from any other shenanigans revolving around you. And there are lots of shenanigans revolving around you.

HTF does that even make sense? That's saying either you were jailkept (why??) or Kid was. Not sure why a jk would jk you but Kid is a possibility. But jk'ing Kid...especially N3 makes no sense. JK you would a little.

Doesn't Viomi actually make the much stronger claim that Viomi herself has been jailkept twice in a row? I'd think that the jailkeeper protection only keeps you from getting killed, not from any other kind of night action.

@Mod:

if KidAmn were to be jailkept, would that block attempts to neighbourise him?

[havingfitz]

I believe a person jailkept can't be touched and can perform any actions. Almist like they're in a box...or....cell. Go figure.

[havingfitz]

I'm still waiting for momo's reply to my questions and for anyone else to comment, especially

KidAdm

, on the game in general.

Meanwhile...a relook at some of my earlier reads and VCA.

D1:

The two main wagons D1 were both on town (

mutant

and

pisskop

).

Everyone still alive was voting

pisskop

at one point though Aster was not on the lynch (he was alone voting Viomi at the time). momo was committed to the

pisskop

waghon while Viomi got off it for a short stint on Aster.

Viomi and Asters cross votes are a bit annoying...especially since I think Viomi said she neighborized Aster N1 because she was town reading him.

Nothing else significant on D1.

D2:

(updated from my Post 1986)

Three wagons dominated D2. Viomi,

sheep

and

Chip

.

-------------
Players still alive who were on

Chip

at L-2+ : Aster,

Creature

,

LUV

, momo,

NSG

,

sheep

,

texcat

Aster and momo are the only two unknowns left on the

Chip

lynch.

Viomi was barely on

Chip

at all D2 and spent most of the day on

LUV

and

sheep

.
-------------

The only person alive who was not trying to get the

sheep

slot lynched D2 was

sheep

(aka CommKnight). So not a lot to take away from the D2

sheep

wagon that I can see.
-------------

The Viomi wagon is still a point of interest for me.

The only person still in the game who was on the long standing L-1 Viomi wagon is momo.

Aster and I were never on Viomi D2. Neither was

NSG

(ever).

If Viomi IS town...I would think the only remaining person alive on her D2 wagon L-1 wagon would be a strong suspect for her. And that narrative is playing out with Viomi's stated read on momo today.

I can still see a plausible existence of scum!momo on scum!Viomi as well so momo on the Viomi wagon fits as scum regardless of Viomi's alignment IMO.

If Viomi is town...she should be viewing Aster or I as town...which by poe she is.

If Viomi is scum however...Aster, momo AND I are all reasonable suspects for

sheep

and

Kid

and whoever among those three is the other town to consider. So not a lot of help there association wise from scum!Viomi IMO.

D3:

The two main wagons D3 were

texcat

and

NSG

texcat

got up to L-2 and the only unknowns still alive off that wagon were mom amd

The only people still alive who were on the

NSG

are momo and Viomi. momo was voting

NSG

at L-3 when

texcat

claimed a guilty result. Viomi put

NSG

at L-1 after the guilty claim.

Three players still alive never voted

NSG

once during the game: Aster, havingfitz and

sheep

. The only votes

NSG

got prior to D3 were two very short lived votes on D2 by momo and Viomi.

For her part...

NSG

never voted Aster, havingfitz, Viomi or

Kid

.

NSG

did interestingly enough hop off the

texcat

L-2 wagon and onto momo shortly after momo put

texcat

at L-2.

I definitley think there is distancing going on between scum D3. The question is was it before or after the guilty result (or both).

D4:

The only people still alive who were not on the

LUV

mislynch were Aster and

sheep

.

Viomi was pushing

LUV

ever since D2. Other still alive on the

LUV

lynch are havingfitz,

Kid

and our lolhammer momo.

tl:dr;

I think Viomi and momo look the worst based on play and VCA combined. With this possibly not being being MYLO it would make sense for partners to distance from each other in the hope a different wagon forms and/or the prospect of a JK potentially getting the game to D6 whether today is a mislynch on not. Or just by playing the long game and trying to build town cred today.

I don't know if Aster and Viomi work as a scum team. I do not think they do as I can't see scum neighborizing scum just for scum theater (plus that neighborhood PT).

Also not sure if Aster works with momo. I don't see why it wouldn't. momo seems to work with everyone. I think I'm to the point where I'd be better served determining reads on players individually more than from trying to establish a team. i.e. one day at a time.

Of the three I am leaning momo for today's vote.

[KidAmn]

Aster/Viomi could have been distancing. Momo is... well, I have Momo blacklisted because they don't actually play Mafia, so make of that what you will. I haven't TR'd or even nullread that slot since I replaced in and the only thing holding me back from voting it is that Momo being in it makes it nigh impossible to read.

[sheepsaysmeep]

Spoiler:

Vote Count 1.4
CommKnight - (1) Misatange
Creature -
northsidegal -
Aster - (1) Creature
texcat - (1) Pisskop
Viomi -
mutantdevle - (6) Aster, northsidegal, texcat, Lalendra, Viomi, Commknight
pisskop -
Chip Butty - (2) wilky, Assemblerotws
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
MisaTange -
Assemblerotws -

Vote Count 1.6

CommKnight -
Creature - (1) Chip Butty
northsidegal -
Aster - (1) Creature
texcat - (1) Pisskop
Viomi -
mutantdevle - (3) northsidegal, texcat, Lalendra,
pisskop - (6) MisaTange, Aster, Viomi, CityElectric, Commknight, wilky
Chip Butty - (1) Assemblerotws
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
MisaTange -
Assemblerotws -
No Lynch -
Not Voting: mutantdevle,

Vote Count 1.7

CommKnight (1) - Creature
Creature -
northsidegal -
Aster - (2) Viomi, Pisskop
texcat - (1) Pisskop
Viomi -
mutantdevle - (4) northsidegal, texcat, Lalendra, MisaTange
pisskop - (5) CityElectric, Commknight, wilky, Chip Butty, Aster
Chip Butty -
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
MisaTange -
Assemblerotws -
No Lynch -
Not Voting: mutantdevle,

Vote Count 1.Final

CommKnigt (1) - Creature
Creature - (1) Texcat
northsidegal -
Aster - (3) Pisskop, MisaTange
texcat -
Viomi - (2) Aster
mutantdevle - (1) northsidegal,
pisskop - (8) CityElectric, Commknight, wilky, Chip Butty, Lalendra, Viomi, Assemblerotws, mutantdevle
Chip Butty -
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
MisaTange -
Assemblerotws -
No Lynch -
Not Voting:
With 14 Alive. Takes 8 To Lynch. 7 To No Lynch.

Vote Count 2.4

CommKnight (2) - Aster, Creature
Creature (1) - northsidegal
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (6) - Lalendra, texcat, wilky, Commknight, Assemblerotws, Chip Butty
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty - mutantdevle
Lalendra -
wilky -
CityElectric -
Assemblerotws (1) - Viomi

Not Voting: City Electric

Vote Count 2.13

CommKnight (5) - Aster, Chip Butty, northsidegal, KidAmn, momo
Creature (1) - CityElectric,
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi (2) - Lalendra, texcat,
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (2) - mutantdevle, CommKnight
Lalendra (2) - Creature, Viomi,
momo -
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting:

Vote Count 2.FINAL

CommKnight (5) - Chip Butty, KidAmn, CityElectric, Aster
Creature -
northsidegal -
Aster -
texcat -
Viomi -
mutantdevle -
Chip Butty (7) - mutantdevle, CommKnight, texcat, Momo, Creature, Aster, Northsidegal - Lynch!
Lil Uzi Vert (1) - Viomi,
momo -
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting: Lil Uzi Vert

Vote Count 3.5

Sheepsaysmeep (2) - Aster, Lil Uzi Vert,
Creature -
northsidegal (3) - Kidamn, Creature, texcat, momo
Aster -
texcat (2) - Viomi, Sheepsaysmeep,
Viomi -
Lil Uzi Vert -
momo (1) - northsidegal,
CityElectric -
KidAmn -

Not Voting: CityElectric,

Vote Count 3.Final

Sheepsaysmeep (2) - Aster,
Creature -

northsidegal (6) - Creature, texcat, momo, Lil Uzi Vert, Viomi, northsidegal

Aster - Sheepsaysmeep
texcat (2) - Viomi,
Viomi -
Lil Uzi Vert -
momo (1) -
havingfitz -
KidAmn -

Not Voting: Kidamn, havingfitz

Vote Count 4.1

Sheepsaysmeep -
Aster (1) - Lil Uzi Vert
texcat -
Viomi -
Lil Uzi Vert (3) - Viomi, Texcat, KidAmn
momo -
havingfitz -
KidAmn -

Momo Being Momo - Momo

this is just some votecounts i'll color it later