Do I know you?! Because I only sheep players I have played with before (and yet NOT everyone I played with is worth sheeping).
Of course, the "Math" part could be a clue for me, but I want to make sure I'm not totally mislead by my own assumptions.
Do I know you?! Because I only sheep players I have played with before (and yet NOT everyone I played with is worth sheeping).
Elmo is a vote magnet. I see people voting there all the time (I hope my memory isn't playing tricks on me and that it IS Elmo that seemed to attract inexplicable votes in previous games).In post 67, Mathdino wrote:Her Elmo wagon is shit,
So, Bins and Raya for you. At least we are starting to get some reads.In post 67, Mathdino wrote:Alternatively, if you vote Raya I'll sheep you on that.
You could be right about the defensiveness not actually being defensiveness. In my experience scum have been caught before for being too defensive which is why I brought it up but I probably wouldn't lynch over it alone. I'm also using the term defensive loosely. It might be better described as deflective. I still want to leave my vote here though at least until I get a stronger read on her.In post 65, Mathdino wrote: I love your reasoning on Elmo from a rhetorical standpoint but I think defenciveness is an overused scumtell, especially on experienced players. You're right that Elmo had no reason to be defencive about my vote. Which is why I don't think it was defenciveness, more confused flailing attempted scumhunting. The meta on this site is, in my experience, to just ignore early votes on you if you don't want to be scumread.
Looking this over again I noticed the use of the word "you" in 19 is a bit odd. Maybe I'm nitpicking over it not being "we". What do you think?In post 19, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Like Fitz just said though. Let's say the big takes a shot and misses. You then have what a 75% chance of nailing scum and then granted if I did quick math it's lylo but the odds are very heavily in towns favor for an actual win of the game.1st post reads town on gut. 2nd post reads scum because it's like it's talking to the town being like "Hey it's not unfair, you guys have a chance". 3rd post is ancillarily helpful in an unfortunately low effort way. At the very least I can appreciate the utility of the Elmo wagon pressuring her to actually do something, but her response leans town.In post 47, Elmo TeH AzN wrote:Your Meta is to be a nit picky with your vote. And you like walls.
This is fair.Lalendra's actions all seem focused around getting scum. She pressures me and gets me to explain myself more instead of pouncing on me, then announces the results of that pressure.
The "what does this have to with scumhunting" is part of where the townlean comes from. The "are you trying to look busy" was rhetorical I think.Chip's "what does this have to do with scumhunting?" question was reasonable but the "are you trying to look busy????" is classic suspicion-throwing in the form of asking dumb questions that amount to "are you scum using [x] strategy?" which everyone will always answer 'no' to.
Haha thanks! Which post are you talking about? You're getting scum motivation from my post or a different one?I like Raya as a player (I read through your Newbie scum game with nancy, respect for that) but I'm getting a lot of scum motivation from that post. N_M's vote is good but I think better served on Bins.
In post 76, Almost50 wrote:Elmo is a vote magnet. I see people voting there all the time (I hope my memory isn't playing tricks on me and that it IS Elmo that seemed to attract inexplicable votes in previous games).In post 67, Mathdino wrote:Her Elmo wagon is shit,
Both Bins & Elmo are still total nulls for me.
In post 71, Sauce wrote:I mean .. I'm getting confused as a consequence of reading what you're apparently thinking, Dinomath. That's why I'm not making any sense anymore. It's obviously your fault I'm mixing up Bins with Elmo. How can a two-vote wagon on page 2 be lynch bait? How does one think like that?
You kind of answered my question for me. Mutant was a 3 vote wagon that feels too easy. Plus I got what I wanted out of mutant and think he's leaning town.In post 74, Sauce wrote:Anyway the mutantdevle is a wagon I imagine scum would join at the time Maxous did, so I like my vote there.
Nah we've never played before. I'm not Mathblade.In post 75, Almost50 wrote:Do I know you?! Because I only sheep players I have played with before (and yet NOT everyone I played with is worth sheeping).
In post 76, Almost50 wrote:Elmo is a vote magnet. I see people voting there all the time (I hope my memory isn't playing tricks on me and that it IS Elmo that seemed to attract inexplicable votes in previous games).
Both Bins & Elmo are still total nulls for me.
Lol I posted reads a couple pages ago. I'll do another reads list though.In post 77, Almost50 wrote:So, Bins and Raya for you. At least we are starting to get some reads.
Bins I have more experience with, so maybe I will get a better read there given more time.
I'm confused. Why would I be aware of this? Why would you expect good reads of me? All of these things lead me to believe you aren't actually doing meta, lol. I agreed that I didn't like Elmo's reaction and don't have another big scumread.In post 80, Mathdino wrote:Shouldn't Bins be aware Elmo is a vote magnet and thus understand that is a bad place to put votes? I note opportunism because I expect better reads from Bins.
Yeah that's exactly what I meant by that. Felt like a minor scumslip. Discounting it in favour of later posts though.In post 78, Raya36 wrote:Looking this over again I noticed the use of the word "you" in 19 is a bit odd. Maybe I'm nitpicking over it not being "we". What do you think?
I'm simply aware I followed his vote twice in a row.In post 83, Bins wrote:Reading over and Maxous is also a decent place for votes. When you say "I hope this doesn't seem like I'm copying", it normally just leads me to think that it seems like. Especially when you vote me for an unexplained vote with a vote that was explained just as well.
I assume you have experience. If you were relatively new I wouldn't have minded the Elmo vote, but like I said defenciveness is a bad scumtell. You're right, I'm not doing meta on your quality as a scumhunter; I was only meta-ing your RVS votes and ISOing your scumgames. Sorry if that was unclear. My vote on you has very little to do with meta.In post 81, Bins wrote:I'm confused. Why would I be aware of this? Why would you expect good reads of me? All of these things lead me to believe you aren't actually doing meta, lol. I agreed that I didn't like Elmo's reaction and don't have another big scumread.
Would you rather me throw my arms into the air 4 posts in?In post 78, Raya36 wrote:You could be right about the defensiveness not actually being defensiveness. In my experience scum have been caught before for being too defensive which is why I brought it up but I probably wouldn't lynch over it alone. I'm also using the term defensive loosely. It might be better described as deflective. I still want to leave my vote here though at least until I get a stronger read on her.
You are. Sorry its a way of how i type. Also you mind checking my math on that one?Looking this over again I noticed the use of the word "you" in 19 is a bit odd. Maybe I'm nitpicking over it not being "we". What do you think?
I don't play Mafia much anymore. Haven't in like four months and I take quite long breaks. I've never played with Elmo either, so I don't know that she's lynch bait, but I didn't see the one post coming from town. I know defensiveness isn't a scumtell, I'm a lot more defensive as town, but I got a bad gut feel from the reaction. Maxous' vote on me was a lot worse than your vote on me and I haven't liked their posts so far.In post 87, Mathdino wrote:I assume you have experience. If you were relatively new I wouldn't have minded the Elmo vote, but like I said defenciveness is a bad scumtell. You're right, I'm not doing meta on your quality as a scumhunter; I was only meta-ing your RVS votes and ISOing your scumgames. Sorry if that was unclear. My vote on you has very little to do with meta.
Let's talk more, might help. Do you have any townreads? What do you think of Maxous and his vote on you?
Your Math is roughly correct but keep in mind lynches aren't random, and this hurts town. The very presence of scumpartner reduces the chances of a scum lynch. Plus, in 4v3v1, we've essentially already lost. Lynching SK gives mafia majority, and lynching mafia allows both to hit 2 more town. That all said, this is largely game irrelevant now.In post 93, Raya36 wrote:UNVOTE: Elmo
So we are down two town rn so there are 12 in the game total. There are three scum in the game and one sk which makes 8v3v1. Rn we have a 25% chance of hitting scum. So if we mislynch, scum get a kill, sk gets a kill and hits a townie, and vig misses we are now down 4 more townies. We'll have 8 total players 3 of which are scum and 1 is sk. We would be in a 4v3v1 situation. Lylo and a 50% chance of hitting anyone but town. About a 38% chance of hitting scum.
Did I do the same calculations as you?
These are good thoughts. I'm sad because I was excited to play a game with Bins but I'm still picking up on scum motivation hereIn post 94, Bins wrote:I don't play Mafia much anymore. Haven't in like four months and I take quite long breaks. I've never played with Elmo either, so I don't know that she's lynch bait, but I didn't see the one post coming from town. I know defensiveness isn't a scumtell, I'm a lot more defensive as town, but I got a bad gut feel from the reaction. Maxous' vote on me was a lot worse than your vote on me and I haven't liked their posts so far.
I only got good feels from mutant, you [both have been stated] and I have good feels about Lalendra's first few posts and maybe Fitz just because of similarity of what he felt when I felt it when people struck me as town.
I expect SK to play low or just state obvious things. I feel because we're down in numbers looking for SK tells is a priority to eliminate another NK.
Any multiball setup or SK setup requires scumhunting from everyone involved. Both teams want to lynch the other. This creates the unfortunate side effect that everyone ROUGHLY believes their own reads. I believe your reads have some merit, and I believe you believe they do.In post 97, Bins wrote:Also, I haven't made the distinction that Maxous or Elmo are more likely SK or Mafia. Where have you gotten the idea that I'm avoiding scumhunting? I'm not going to turn over to someone else even if I think that they are. You're completely misunderstanding what my motivation is here.