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In post 744, Almost50 wrote:@fitz/mutant: Why are you two so afamant in fishing for the Vig? I mean, that's one more point in the other 2 players' favour.

And why are you two automatically ruling out the possibility that >I< am the Vig (thus -obviously- know who "the Vig" is)???? Amuse me.

I'm not fishing for a Vig claim but nor am I against one. If the vig isn't going to be able to perform a kill tonight then I see no reason why they shouldn't role claim now to narrow down the people in the lynch pool.

I also assume that you are not the vig since it would be stupid for you to not claim at this point. Honestly, my theory is that you have no idea who the vig is and are just trying to draw the NK to yourself by either making yourself seem like the vig or making it out as though you have valuable information that is best silenced. I don't think it's fooling anyone and, as scum, I certainly wouldn't NK you. But then again you could really be the vig making it so obvious that the scum doesn't kill you. Overall, the whole thing is WIFOM and not my concern.

I really don't like your attitude of wanting me to blindly follow you in lynching Fitz. I don't think N_M is the vig since, judging by his past reads, I would have been shot by now. Elmo can't be the vig either since she never mentions anything about it at all. For all I know, Fitz is the vig.

You're also refusing to tell us anything about your information on the vig because... you don't want to expose them? Well did it ever cross your mind that by saying either Elmo or N_M is the vig you reveal to the other who the vig is? At least one of them is definitely scum if not both. You're just throwing yourself into the mix as a feeble to rectify that.

I'm hoping whatever you reveal at the end of the game about how you know the vig is some good shit because currently, if you are not scum or the vig, I'm probably going to be annoyed that you are pulling the wool over the town's eyes. I really don't see why you ever had to mention knowing the vig's identity in the first place as it doesn't concern the town.

In post 747, Almost50 wrote:First; Bins wasn't the Vig switch. Chip was.

Well fuck me then.

In post 747, Almost50 wrote:Intent to hammer mutant

May I ask how long I have until you place the vote? I had been planning to make cases on both N_M and Elmo these last few days but I have been yet to get round to it. I want to know if you'd allow me to go to bed rn without fearing waking up to finding the town has lost.

Like, I have come close to posting some stuff that could have heavily affected the game outcome (but in which way? I'm not sure) and deleted the post before submission.

I'll let you go to bed today and have you post your cases in the 'moro. Fair enough? I mean, if you're Town you could hopefully convince me to vote my current strong TR (and when they flip Scum you are probably confirmed a Townie so we can lynch fitz tomorrow if he's not the Mafia, bc if he is then my TR is on the SK and fitz will be shot by the Vig tonight anyway)

If you fail to convince me though, I'll hammer you. I seriously am lost here and I hate LyLo/MyLo in general bc I tend to make the worst of choices (here's one that I still can't get over where the solo SK won a 42 players role madness game, and I was RIGHT FROM THE START but failed to convince others and then flailed in MyLo and a stupid Townie voted themselves resulting in a quick hammer by the SK whom I've been suspecting since D1! Can you imagine playing a game that large for 13 game days and having the SK beat you at the end of it?)

Good luck to you if you're town, and good night.

I was hoping to avoid claiming but on further review...and with my shot being neutered by the SK..I think a claim makes town's chances of hitting scum today improve a bit.

I'm the Vig.

N0 I targeted not_mafia because his playstyle annoys the hell out of me but I changed it to Jodaxq at the last moment. I second guessed the not_mafia choice based on a recently completed game with him that ended well for town. I looked over players and decided I could do without Jodaxq. I figured odds of hitting a town pr were pretty low (2:13)....that didn't work out.

N1 I shot Raya because I thought she was scum, and if not...potential LYLO lynchbait.

N2...I targeted Maxous for same reasons as Raya.

I say targeted for those nights that only had 2 kills as I do not know if my shot was allowed to go through due to switch considerations or if my targets were also targeted by someone else.

I'm town...I'm not the SK or mafia. I welcome the sk or mafia to counterclaim me because if they do....chances are the other scum entity will happily eliminate you N3 should I be today's lynch and we wind up in 3 player LYLO with 2 town and 1 scum. Also...I have no incentive to fakeclaim vig as the real vig could counterclaim and my game would be over.

So feel free to cc me

And A50...your vig skills recognition skills are shit. Unless you were setting up to claim vig yourself. Go ahead...see my previous points wrt to countering me.

VOTE: Elmo

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Hmmm.. this needs revaluation from all directions. I had always thought the Vig was N_M bc he was the one insisting Raya was Scum WITH Bins, and when Raya got shot after the Bins lynch he came in to assert it was obvious that Raya was the Vig shot.

But now I see fitz claiming Vig and no CC from N_M, so -to me- it confirms fitz as the Vig.

If so, then I will follow your lead, fitz.

UNVOTE:

It's mutant and elmo, like we've known for a while, let's progress the game

I won't believe a cc from either of them

Welp; I guess I am going to be a sheep here. I was hard TRing Elmo for her play and I was totally convinced N_M was the Vig, and now fitz says mutant is Town and Elmo is Scum.

VOTE: Elmo

This is probably SK

Regardless of what Elmo flips...I don't plan on targetting amyone tonight. If I die...good luck town.

Thank you to everyone for playing! Special thanks to PenguinPower for covering for me while I took care of a health emergency.

momo accidentally posted in this thread without realizing it was not the correct thread.

Almost50 sent me an action on Night 2, but I'd missed it while I was on V/LA. I apologize for that mistake.

Please feel free to discuss this setup in post-game. However, any concerns about its suitability for the Open Games rotation should be directed at LlamaFluff.

Thanks Equi.

Lord do I have some thoughts about this setup. The fact that A50 should've had another shot makes it even more ridiculously anti-town.

But A50 played well and played charismatically and that's really what you need to win as SK.

N_M was dumb as fuck and the fact that he was even left alive in LyLo should've indicated mutant was OBVTOWN.

mutant played well, his reaction test should've confirmed him.

Bins played well and townish. Her bussing plays were good. The rest of the mafia just choked.

Lalendra got herself townread. Getting NK'd N1 is a badge of honour.

havingfitz made the correct vigshots in terms of what was available to him and what the town was likely to mislynch anyway. Obviously a shot at mafia might've won us the game but I honestly doubt it.

Maxous and Raya were obviously scummy as shit but only due to the weird Bins situation on D1. Otherwise played very townish.

Sauce was Sauce. Tfw 2 players in his "Female Block" were scum.

In post 245, Bins wrote:My readslist is somewhere like:

{Almost50, havingfitz}
{Lalendra, Mathdino}
----
{mutant, maxous}
N_M is on his own little island floating everywhere
{Raya, Sauce}
{Chip, Elmo}


I'm going to be fine voting any of the bottom four because I've POE'd it to those. Realized Raya is a little lower because my townreads at this point are pretty strong.

As I said in Dead Thread, I was pretty convinced there was a guilty on me. Which is why my reads were as above ^. I tried to bus Elmo as well, but it didn't really matter because she was scumread for SK.

I had fun, though! Setup is fun but hella swingy.

A50 also fooled me!

Some quotes from me in the dead thread on the setup. I'd like more discussion on this because I really do believe this setup needs decommissioning.

I'm gonna say this when the game's over, but I really think this setup should be decommissioned. Points against it:

1. Nightstart means 3 players can die before the game's even started.
2. The alignments of those 3 have 100% of the time predicted the end winner. When 2 townies die N0, town loses. When SK gets mafia, town wins. The only reason this town even has a chance is I got lucky and cop investigated.
3. N0 guilties are no fun. My entire game was just figuring out when to out that guilty. Felt bad for Bins because I really did want to confirm her and play a game with her.
4. If mafia/SK never hit each other, mislynching once very easily leads to a situation in which you can lynch scum every day after that and still lose.
5. It is literally against town's interests to lynch SK N1 because then it's a horribly imbalanced mountainous game with a couple named townies.

I hesitate to call this scumsided so much as swingy as hell. Had SK and mafia killed each other N0 with me still finding mafia, it'd be massively townsided. But that first night just affects too much.

There should be some way to revise the whole thing without the SK. Or if you have a 3rd party, don't let them kill every night.

I also think the setup needs more townies to be worthwhile.

Now imagine how messed up the game would've been if I didn't get a result at all and we lynched some shit town player

Hot take: NK speculation hurts town because it tells evils who isn't the vig.

Hotter take: The vig in this game makes things even swingier, and vigs and SKs should never ever be in the same setup in a mini.

JALAPENO TAKE: vigs are always anti-town, fight me

oh my god is not_mafia going to lolhammer us into a loss

If they correctly nail mutant as conftown and the vig claims (or doesn't get voted up at all, which will help in not getting NK'd), they have a 1/3 chance at winning this game. 1/3 for picking out the last VT among the remaining suspects.

Town is absolutely killing it. 3 scum in 3 days. I don't even think mafia played badly. But damn, what a town.

They deserve a perfect win and they're probably not gonna get it because of this crazy-ass setup.

A setup is only good if all parties have a high chance to win if they play optimally, and if they lose, it should be based on very good play of the opposing team. For example, if the SK chooses vig/cop immunity and gets shot by mafia, that's probably their own damn fault for getting themselves shot.

Town played near fucking ideally. We traded 1 for 1 PR (and got associations out of it). Your vigshots were fantastic because Maxous/Raya were gonna get lynched anyway, AND it brought us down from even numbers to odd numbers. We lynched 3 scum in 3 days. That is INSANE.

But after ALL THAT, we were brought down to a 1/3 choice in the end. Keep in mind that SKhunting is fucking dumb. It was a 1/3 chance. From even the spectator's perspective. No one in this thread had any fucking clue who SK was.

There should absolutely never be a setup where town, through no fault of their own, is unable to mislynch even once.

Doc was gonna be impossible to use. Doc switch was alive and SK has no reason to reverse mafia's doc switch. The only benefit of doc is as a named townie.

Keep in mind town also got massively lucky with me finding mafia N1. That shouldn't really have happened. D1 lynch is pretty much always on town. And that would've resulted in basically an autoloss.

That's not a fair setup.

So should win odds be 33% Town to 33% Mafia to 33% SK? Really? Also this setup + our D1 lynch was fantastic for SK and probably threw the game to them.

Consider that town has only ever won this game when SK kills mafia on N0. SK ideal strategy is to shoot as many town as possible. A50 did exactly that.

Not okay.