I was not around at the time to do so.In post 774, Almost Chara wrote:It seems to me that you did.
I was not trying to clear myself by this statement, either. All I'm saying is that a scum-Sleepless would have voted Elmo there.
I was not around at the time to do so.In post 774, Almost Chara wrote:It seems to me that you did.
Why was fitz shot? It wasn't over cy (the only player he didn't include in this listm but mentioned later here..)In post 291, havingfitz wrote:Town - me and AC
Lean town - Schism...Sleepless....maybe dave and Chip.
Null/Suspect - NSG, Assembler. Voyc, Elmo
Scum/anti-town - Jodax, Tone
So, an explicit SR on you & Tone, a Scum lean on cy and an initial suspicion on Elmo that later turned into a slight TR.In post 308, havingfitz wrote:cytheflyguy. 14 posts. 9 of which could be deleted without effecting his contribution at all. Has left a lazt pressure vote on me for 9 days...hasn't posted in here in quite a while and I think is also (iirc) guilty of being active elsewhere. null-scum.
In post 778, Almost50 wrote:No. SK!Fitz doesn't shoot someone he expressed and explicit SR on.
And it's nice we lynched Elmo already so she won't have to suffer my numerous hydra slips.In post 781, Almost50 wrote:Well, I've just recently won a game as a SK, and you do NOT shoot someone that could be tracked back to you. You make cases on them by day and get them lynched instead. (At least that's how I did it)
P-edit: Yes. Fitz plays SK more or less like I do.
In post 419, davesaz wrote:I didn't really approve of the D1 lurker lynch,and thought there was a chance Fitz might be town until I saw the flip.
Dave definitely shot Tone and didn't shoot fitz. Fitz didn't shoot himself either, so fitz was definitely shot by Mafia.In post 422, davesaz wrote:Saying I didn't approve of a policy lynch meant thatI had a bona fide scumread on Tone. Kinda disappointed that I was wrong there,
Sure you do. You know why? ItIn post 760, Almost Chara wrote:Also, Schism going all gung-ho on us was genuine and least likely to come from Scum. You don't oppose the confirmed Town player like that from the get go. Go read what Schism had o say during the peak of his rampage and tell me how you think this could've come from Scum at all.
P-edit: But it could potentially end the game TODAY.
Why couldn't the counter claim come from scum?kat wrote: Scum, say SA, claims “i’m the roleblocker and i roleblocked ogml so he’s town”
Doctor or rb ccs and outs SA as scum here (SA is confscum if ogml is the cc)
RL almost prevented me from re-voting Elmo, actually. I worked 56 hours in an 80 hour period that included deadline. If I hadn't made it to the thread and anyone called it suspicious, let's just say I wouldn't have been happy with that person.jod wrote: It would have been very suspicious for anyone to have avoided that wagon at the time.
No, I would have pointed out that deadline had already passed and acted upset that we didn't get a Lynch through and not bothered voting.jod wrote: All I'm saying is that a scum-Sleepless would have voted Elmo there
So if they were to counterclaim today, scum would be lynched today or tomorrow. Do it in 4p with you still alive and their odds are 50%, the same as if they let the power role go uncountered and become confirmed town. So the only thing staying hidden accomplishes is stopping you from being NK'd if it's a doc and if this is the last night, it accomplishes that anyway. Problem is, it eliminate any no Lynch as a possible play at 4p because you'd be the NK. I'm not sure what to think still. Ugh.In post 768, Almost Chara wrote:OK, whatever. My point was we have my slot and we could have another conf!Townie today. If a CC occurred it confirms everyone else and locks the game. If not, then we still lynch from the other 4 and we are guaranteed at least one conf!Townie to be alive tomorrow.
With no claim today, the CC is more realistic in a 4-player MyLo because it sill give Scum the chance to win. Today the CC will definitely lock the game in our favour, regardless of whom we lynch first.
What about if I flip town? It seems like your conclusion is that Mafia shot Fitz so therefore I am mafia. If I'm not mafia, does that change your opinion? If it doesn't, then why is this argument even relevant?In post 788, Almost Chara wrote:@Joda: Back then I didn't know dave was the Vig, and I hadn't ISO'd him to see whom he shot. I'm now updating upon new info.
I don't care whether fitz SR'd Tone or just disliked him. fitz simply doesn't shoot his explicit "dislikes" as SK. He may do it as Vig, but not as SK. As SK he would shoot from his unsure/suspect pool.
I'll only admit I'm wrong here if you can confirm to me Mafia didn't shoot fitz.
it could but it's an equally bad play unless AC is alive or the other two townies are literally unlynchableIn post 789, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Why couldn't the counter claim come from scum?
hey joda how about instead of trying to articulate it like that why dont you explain why sleepless is scumJodaxq wrote:What about if I flip town? It seems like your conclusion is that Mafia shot Fitz so therefore I am mafia. If I'm not mafia, does that change your opinion? If it doesn't, then why is this argument even relevant?In post 788, Almost Chara wrote:@Joda: Back then I didn't know dave was the Vig, and I hadn't ISO'd him to see whom he shot. I'm now updating upon new info.
I don't care whether fitz SR'd Tone or just disliked him. fitz simply doesn't shoot his explicit "dislikes" as SK. He may do it as Vig, but not as SK. As SK he would shoot from his unsure/suspect pool.
I'll only admit I'm wrong here if you can confirm to me Mafia didn't shoot fitz.
Also, if I'm mafia, why would I shoot the person who I explicitly scum read the hardest and who had the second biggest wagon on D1? That seems stranger to me than Fitz shooting someone he disliked or thought was anti-town.
He's consistently pinged me in little ways throughout the game. If you look at my ISO, I've suspected him multiple times this game. I've said multiple times that I feel like 400 is a scum post, especially since he was the one that really gave the Assemble wagon legs in 316. His posts today haven't really felt any better, as you yourself have pointed out.In post 792, Katyusha wrote:it could but it's an equally bad play unless AC is alive or the other two townies are literally unlynchableIn post 789, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Why couldn't the counter claim come from scum?
hey joda how about instead of trying to articulate it like that why dont you explain why sleepless is scumJodaxq wrote:What about if I flip town? It seems like your conclusion is that Mafia shot Fitz so therefore I am mafia. If I'm not mafia, does that change your opinion? If it doesn't, then why is this argument even relevant?In post 788, Almost Chara wrote:@Joda: Back then I didn't know dave was the Vig, and I hadn't ISO'd him to see whom he shot. I'm now updating upon new info.
I don't care whether fitz SR'd Tone or just disliked him. fitz simply doesn't shoot his explicit "dislikes" as SK. He may do it as Vig, but not as SK. As SK he would shoot from his unsure/suspect pool.
I'll only admit I'm wrong here if you can confirm to me Mafia didn't shoot fitz.
Also, if I'm mafia, why would I shoot the person who I explicitly scum read the hardest and who had the second biggest wagon on D1? That seems stranger to me than Fitz shooting someone he disliked or thought was anti-town.
like i think that's important to consider still but