Open 706: C9++

[Jodaxq]

Pretty sure this is the most inactive game I've ever been a part of =(

[davesaz]

Maybe we should go ahead and lynch scum!

[Sleepless Assassin]

Haven't felt well past two days anyways. Was waiting on a VC. And didn't even post anywhere lately

Wasn't an accusation. More just commenting on deadline because nobody seems to realize it's close. And was dodging a prod at the same time.

[momo]

prodding schism

[CheekyTeeky]

Alright lets go with Cy.

VOTE: Cytheflyguy

AC were you already voting someone?

[Sleepless Assassin]

Alright lets go with Cy.

VOTE: Cytheflyguy

AC were you already voting someone?

Why the switch? I liked your last vote better.

[Almost Chara]

@Cheeky: No. I'm currently not voting.

I also want to know why you switched votes from Elmo to cy.

@Sleepless: Question in reverse, i.e. why do you SR Elmo more than cy?

[Sleepless Assassin]

I haven't seen a single good reason to scum read cy.

[davesaz]

Does that mean you townread cy? Why?

[Sleepless Assassin]

That specific statement doesn't mean that, no. It means I'd rather Lynch someone I scum read than someone I don't. I do happen to have a weak town read on cy though. His posting feels like it has a bit of transparency to it. Like he feels like his "awkward" play should speak for itself as just awkward rather than scummy. Maybe it's a lack of defensiveness. I don't know. It's a feeling I get from him and im not sure what's triggering it. There are worse lynches for sure, but I don't want to move away from the Elmo Lynch to make his happen either.

[CheekyTeeky]

Cy was a stronger scum read for me when I did my reads list however there was no interest in a cy wagon at the time. I'm happy with either lynch but we're running out of time to consolidate. I'll try making cases for both in a few hours so hopefully we can all agree on a lynch.

[davesaz]

Only 1 day 4 hours left.
I'm willing to switch as needed. I have scumreads on both.
The lack of activity is pretty disheartening. I know I'm contributing to that but still...
Was hoping for CheekyTeeky's cases "in a few hours".
Was hoping for AC to say something more about the wagon.
Not happy with Sleepless Assassin not making an effort to push Elmo's wagon if he doesn't like Cy.

[Sleepless Assassin]

What is my entire ISO if not pushing an Elmo Lynch?

[Almost Chara]

Frankly, I'm getting cold feet over everything now. I may have to place the hammer at the deadline, but I have no idea what to do at this point.

OK, maybe we should start with a partial mass-claim.

If you are a

ONE SHOT TPR

, please claim your role and last night target

[Almost Chara]

@MOD: We already had a replacement today, and Schism looks like he's being replaced too. I think this is enough to justify a deadline extension by at least 48 hours (or more, depending on when the Schism replacement would be found)

[CheekyTeeky]

Was hoping for CheekyTeeky's cases "in a few hours".

Sorry ended up going out last night. Will happen today instead.

I vote to veto mass claim.

[davesaz]

What is my entire ISO if not pushing an Elmo Lynch?

There are places in your ISO where you say things about Elmo, and places where you don't want others. Not things that I'd call a push.

[davesaz]

I have no idea what to do at this point.

I'm far from stellar this game, so this is a bit hypocritical of me, but I'd say the what to do is give reads and vote a scumread. Flapping our hands isn't going to get us anywhere. I have to start an extended run of driving my kids all around town, so I'll be mostly away for several hours. I will try to make more concrete posts on my positions when I get back.

@MOD: I agree that an extension would be appropriate if a replacement is expected.

[Almost Chara]

I vote to veto mass claim.

1- It's not a "mass claim", it's a PARTIAL mass claim.
2- The 1-shot PR already used up their 1-shot, so no need to hold back. If -say- we have a 1-shot Cop we both have a confirmed Townie (the 1-shot Cop), a likely confirmed Townie in LyLo (their target), and we know it's 3C already (we know we at least had CC bc we have a flipped Cop, and 4C doesn't even have a 1-shot Cop).

This gives us more info about the setup AND reduces the lynch pool by 2 already.

Another example: One shot Doctor confirms there being a full Doctor (who will NOT claim). This also means the setup is MCCTVDD, so -at the very least- it rules out any future fake claiming. Same with a 1-shot RB, while a 1-shot Vig means we either have a full Doc or full RB (NEITHER SHOULD CLAIM).

Now, what were you against?

[Almost Chara]

@dave: Read #618. I am doing something already, and I believe it helps me get a better grip on the game and setup.

Are you a 1-shot anything?? Yes or no, please.

[CheekyTeeky]

I vote to veto mass claim.

1- It's not a "mass claim", it's a PARTIAL mass claim.
2- The 1-shot PR already used up their 1-shot, so no need to hold back. If -say- we have a 1-shot Cop we both have a confirmed Townie (the 1-shot Cop), a likely confirmed Townie in LyLo (their target), and we know it's 3C already (we know we at least had CC bc we have a flipped Cop, and 4C doesn't even have a 1-shot Cop).

This gives us more info about the setup AND reduces the lynch pool by 2 already.

Another example: One shot Doctor confirms there being a full Doctor (who will NOT claim). This also means the setup is MCCTVDD, so -at the very least- it rules out any future fake claiming. Same with a 1-shot RB, while a 1-shot Vig means we either have a full Doc or full RB (NEITHER SHOULD CLAIM).

Now, what were you against?

It would be really anti-town for me to elaborate on this point.

[davesaz]

I made a setup post. Claims are a bad idea. Scum already know how many letters so a partial claim outs the pr to scum without any real town benefit.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ok so reISO'd EtA and Cy.

EtA made one push on Jodaxq the whole game for the randomness explanation on her self-vote. The rest is fluff...I'm a little concerned because scum usually try to put in more effort but this game in general seems pretty low effort.

Cy also seems to avoid making direct pushes on people but he looks like he's trying to solve the game at face value.

I do think EtA is the most scummy so I'll put my vote back there. I wouldn't mind going after Cy tomorrow if I'm still around.

VOTE: Elmo TeH AzN L-2 I believe.

[Almost Chara]

@Cheeky: We already have a flipped Cop (CC), and IC (M), and 3 NKs in N1 meaning we have a Vig (but WE don't know if they're 1-shot or full). In addition we have a flipped SK (T or TTT). That is MCCVT??

If Scum have 2 Goons (i.e. no GF) they already know the missing 2 letters are TT and that we have NO MORE PRs.

If they DO have a GF they know the ?? are NOT TT, but if we have 1-shot PRs they're effectively VTs by now anyway.

1-shot Cop rules out another full Cop, but leaves the possibility of a Doctor, the Vig being Full, or a RB. (This confirms it's 1T for THE TOWN. Scum ALREADY KNOW). No more info can be deduced from it by either alignment.

1-shot Doctor confirms there is a full Doctor for both TOWN AND SCUM.

1-shot RB also confirms a Full RB to us as well as Scum.

1-shot Vig doesn't even add ANYTHING to our knowledge or theirs. If they know it's TTT they already know the Vig shot was a one off. If they know it to be T that still leaves the door open for a full Vig and they don't even know if the full Vig or the 1-shot Vig did the kill. Moreover, it could still be 1V and the 2 missing letter could be RB+1shot or RB+Doc or Doc+1-shot or another full Cop or 1-shot Cop+Doc/RB .....

In short, WE gain more info any way you slice it. They either gain as much info OR nothing they don't already know.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ugh. I know the set-up because I'm VT and I've narrowed the pool for scum and given us enough info to complete set-up spec. Not sure if the trade-off was worth it...