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Anyway, this is still plenty enough reason that my wagon is bad.In post 224, Flubbernugget wrote:Thor voting for me after "not pushing me" because they're interested in me vs tex interactions is some absolute weaksauce- Beefster
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Pfft. A call for details. Maybe I'll rustle some together. If I feel like it. I don't think I feel like it.In post 299, CultOfAthena wrote:
Which of my opinions have been sheeped? If anything, other people have been sheeping me this game on things I've pointed out. Also, again, a playstyle point rather than an alignment point – anyone actually reading my posts can tell that I have actual reads.In post 275, Beefster wrote:
Care to have actual reads?In post 269, CultOfAthena wrote:Texcat has done nothing to make me remember that he is in this game.
I feel like most of your opinions/reads have been sheeped and you're just pointing things out and not making conclusions on them. It's like you're deliberately remaining neutral to keep your options open.
Hiding your reads in the details of your posts is a cop out. If I have to read your posts in detail to understand your reads, that means there is more room for interpretation, meaning you can retroactively make them mean whatever you want when it is convenient. That, and not all of us have the kind of time or attention span to catch every detail or the memory to remember them all. (but the latter is a minor point)On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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@COA/follow-up: I don't have any examples of you sheeping reads because you don't have any actual reads. It's mostly stuff like "I see what you're saying about player X" and "I don't like X from Y" (which is usually after other players have said basically the same thing), but none of this is concrete opinion of "I think X is scum/town"
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For starters, I never said they were "in the details" of my posts – I said that anyoneIn post 302, Beefster wrote:Pfft. A call for details. Maybe I'll rustle some together. If I feel like it. I don't think I feel like it.
Hiding your reads in the details of your posts is a cop out. If I have to read your posts in detail to understand your reads, that means there is more room for interpretation, meaning you can retroactively make them mean whatever you want when it is convenient. That, and not all of us have the kind of time or attention span to catch every detail or the memory to remember them all. (but the latter is a minor point)just readingwhat I'm saying can obviously see that I have reads.
Next, are you making the point that I don't have reads, or are you making the point that my reads are too hard to discern?
If it's the first point then the fact that you apparently don't have the attention span to read posts with (on average) 300 words or less is irrelevant to whether or not those posts actually have reads in them.
If it's the second point, that's your problem and not mine – like I said, there's really not a lot of ambiguity as to what I'm saying.
This is literally just flat-out wrong. Completely, utterly,In post 303, Beefster wrote:@COA/follow-up: I don't have any examples of you sheeping reads because you don't have any actual reads. It's mostly stuff like "I see what you're saying about player X" and "I don't like X from Y" (which is usually after other players have said basically the same thing), but none of this is concrete opinion of "I think X is scum/town"
VOTE: CultOfAthenaverifiablywrong. It seems like what I was saying earlier about your reading of the thread being superficial was right on the mark.- Thor665
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Like what?In post 301, Flubbernugget wrote:
Anyway, this is still plenty enough reason that my wagon is bad.In post 224, Flubbernugget wrote:Thor voting for me after "not pushing me" because they're interested in me vs tex interactions is some absolute weaksauce
Hey dude, if your issue is she's sheeping reads, and she counters that she's not - and you come back with 'well, okay, you aren't but you're still scum because 'x'"In post 303, Beefster wrote:@COA/follow-up: I don't have any examples of you sheeping reads because you don't have any actual reads. It's mostly stuff like "I see what you're saying about player X" and "I don't like X from Y" (which is usually after other players have said basically the same thing), but none of this is concrete opinion of "I think X is scum/town"
Then something is screwy with your logic here, yeah?
Also, assuredly I have "sheeped" one of Cult's reads that was totally original when she came up with it.
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Maxous(3): PenguinPower, Bellaphant, Errantparabola
Bellaphant(2): Maxous, mozamis
Flubbernugget(2): texcat, Thor665
PenguinPower(2): CultOfAthena, Moneybags
CultOfAthena(1): Beefster
texcat(1): Flubbernugget
Not Voting(2): HeWhoSwims, Klick
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2018-01-24 20:00:56)Last edited by TesXX on Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:00 am, edited 1 time in total.- Beefster
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In post 304, CultOfAthena wrote:
For starters, I never said they were "in the details" of my posts – I said that anyoneIn post 302, Beefster wrote:Pfft. A call for details. Maybe I'll rustle some together. If I feel like it. I don't think I feel like it.
Hiding your reads in the details of your posts is a cop out. If I have to read your posts in detail to understand your reads, that means there is more room for interpretation, meaning you can retroactively make them mean whatever you want when it is convenient. That, and not all of us have the kind of time or attention span to catch every detail or the memory to remember them all. (but the latter is a minor point)just readingwhat I'm saying can obviously see that I have reads.
A little bit of both. There are a few people I think you have opinions on, like me and maybe flub. As far as I can tell, you mostly have been making observations and asking questions but not openly stating what your conclusions are. Ultimately, this is the issue I have with you and the fact that I can't tell what your reads are from reading your posts just amplifies the problem. Thinking openly is a big part of finding scum. A little accessibility goes a long way- for more than just those of us with attention issues- due to the curb cut effect.In post 304, CultOfAthena wrote:Next, are you making the point that I don't have reads, or are you making the point that my reads are too hard to discern?
Then help a brother out and prove me wrong. It isn't all that obvious to me. Maybe I'm just a moron with borderline ADHD.In post 304, CultOfAthena wrote:like I said, there's really not a lot of ambiguity as to what I'm saying.
Then verifiably prove me wrong. Give me your reads. Plain, unambiguous, out-in-the-open reads. Give me some conclusions instead of just observations and questions.In post 304, CultOfAthena wrote:
This is literally just flat-out wrong. Completely, utterly,In post 303, Beefster wrote:@COA/follow-up: I don't have any examples of you sheeping reads because you don't have any actual reads. It's mostly stuff like "I see what you're saying about player X" and "I don't like X from Y" (which is usually after other players have said basically the same thing), but none of this is concrete opinion of "I think X is scum/town"
VOTE: CultOfAthenaverifiablywrong. It seems like what I was saying earlier about your reading of the thread being superficial was right on the mark.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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The sheeping thing was just how I remembered it. When I looked over ISOs, it was more like "I agree with this"In post 305, Thor665 wrote:
Like what?In post 301, Flubbernugget wrote:
Anyway, this is still plenty enough reason that my wagon is bad.In post 224, Flubbernugget wrote:Thor voting for me after "not pushing me" because they're interested in me vs tex interactions is some absolute weaksauce
Hey dude, if your issue is she's sheeping reads, and she counters that she's not - and you come back with 'well, okay, you aren't but you're still scum because 'x'"In post 303, Beefster wrote:@COA/follow-up: I don't have any examples of you sheeping reads because you don't have any actual reads. It's mostly stuff like "I see what you're saying about player X" and "I don't like X from Y" (which is usually after other players have said basically the same thing), but none of this is concrete opinion of "I think X is scum/town"
Then something is screwy with your logic here, yeah?
Also, assuredly I have "sheeped" one of Cult's reads that was totally original when she came up with it.
So how is sheeping her scum strategy exactly?
Maybe thereissomething screwy with my logic. I'm just trying to make sense of what my gut is telling me.On hiatus indefinitely. This was a nice distraction when I was working through my faith transition out of Mormonism, but I need to move on to bigger and better things now.
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The most valid issue I see you bringing against her is you're unsure of her reads.
The answer to that is not to vote her.
It's to ask for her reads, and *then* if there's an issue voting her, yeah?
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@Cult - please state your current reads.- Errantparabola
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I feel like this question comes from scum a lot under pressure. Responds to a single one-off vote from Beefster with a flurry of posts, questions about why she's being ignored, classic "it's not me, it's my playstyle" line... idk, seems like a disproportionate reaction.In post 266, CultOfAthena wrote:Hm, I feel like my posts are getting ignored here. I also didn't get really get any responses that I'm satisfied with from my questions. Is it my posting style?
VOTE: CultOfAthena
Yeah flubber, it did answer my question. I guess. I've since forgotten where I was going with that.
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Right now I'm in a place where I have a small pool of people who I think are probably possibly town and a bunch more people who I would just be okay voting. I'm struggling to find cohesion within that lynchpool but there's not really a high standard for that D1 anyway.
It seems like Maxous is a low impact vote despite the people on the wagon, because no one's really going anywhere with it, including me. I can wait and see where Athena/Beef goes. I'd also be willing to flip thor but would also prefer to wait. I get a sense that he's consciously trying to be the biggest player in the game, I don't know how I feel about that.
Definitely Bella is a good vote. Throws out opinions without thought put behind them, weak attempts to interact with key points in the game in the early stages. It sounds like a bit of a dumb reason, but it's plausible with this kind of dense game, where I think scum can potentially find it really hard to work themselves up to being a key player when people are already engaging with each other at this level. (Haha I know, look at me with my 4 posts.) But also why Athena, if scum, might find herself particularly frustrated when no one engages with her.did another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
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You shouldn't get a sense of that.In post 312, Errantparabola wrote:I get a sense that he's consciously trying to be the biggest player in the game, I don't know how I feel about that.
I'm blatantly doing it.- Errantparabola
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯did another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
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Then why bring it up at all if it's meaningless to you?In post 314, Errantparabola wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯- mozamis
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just giving her hthe heads up that i dont necessarily believe her. i've seen scumtalkiing ablut dead unts and stuff in this game so yeah...real life going to shit?maybe.maybe not. but yeah, we need a wagon on her.In post 283, Klick wrote:to help at all if she's just said real life went to shit and she will try to post tomorrow? If your goal is just outright lynching her now that makes sense, but if you want pressure on her I don't see how that will helYou've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...- mozamis
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and clash of egos with Thor begins in...1...2...3
i could go for a cult wagon.
shge was in my town pile. but she DOES seem resistant to giving out reads, and her posts are very wordy but vague.You've reached that age, Listy. 24, 25...Your muscles give up, they wave a little white flag of surrender and without any warning at all, you're suddenly a fat bastard...- Moneybags
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Coming from just sharing that sentiment, I don't think Athena feeling ignored was under pressure at all, let alone scummy. She had what, one out of the blue vote and she's "under pressure"? Iirc no one but beef had said anything to her. I can't see how this quote can be considered under pressure when the simplier and more likely scenairo is that it's out of frustration.In post 312, Errantparabola wrote:
I feel like this question comes from scum a lot under pressure. Responds to a single one-off vote from Beefster with a flurry of posts, questions about why she's being ignored, classic "it's not me, it's my playstyle" line... idk, seems like a disproportionate reaction.In post 266, CultOfAthena wrote:Hm, I feel like my posts are getting ignored here. I also didn't get really get any responses that I'm satisfied with from my questions. Is it my posting style?
VOTE: CultOfAthena
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Right now I'm in a place where I have a small pool of people who I think are probably possibly town and a bunch more people who I would just be okay voting.
This remark from you paired with the other paragraph I left included does not sit well with me at all.- Klick
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I didn’t think it was blatant. I don’t know you or how you usually act. That how you always scumhunt?In post 316, Thor665 wrote:
Then why bring it up at all if it's meaningless to you?In post 314, Errantparabola wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Moneybags: i do think that Athena felt pressured by Beefster’s vote. I dont think town usually goes into an immediate throwing shade/discredit from what is a claimed gut read (268)did another ms user do something lovely? recognize their achievements here!
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As far as I'm aware this is how I always play.In post 321, Errantparabola wrote:
I didn’t think it was blatant. I don’t know you or how you usually act. That how you always scumhunt?In post 316, Thor665 wrote:
Then why bring it up at all if it's meaningless to you?In post 314, Errantparabola wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯
How is it not blatant?
You're saying that I *don't* overtly appear to be trying to control the conversation and exert my will on the gamestate?
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In post 247, texcat wrote:
Ouch. I'm pretty sure Flubber is scum. I'm waiting to see what you find when you look into it.In post 214, Klick wrote:I'm not comfortable with this Flubber wagon. This feels misguided and fishy.
Looking into this later today.
It's definitely my play style.In post 217, Maxous wrote:not entirely sure if it's playstyle or alignment but texcat is a little quiet.
she's only talking about a select few people.In post 293, texcat wrote:
@Klick -- Did you look into this? What did you find?In post 214, Klick wrote:I'm not comfortable with this Flubber wagon. This feels misguided and fishy.
Looking into this later today.
Following Thor's methodology, I'm going to keep asking about this.In post 320, Klick wrote:I can confirm that Bella's real life is in fact rough at the moment.
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