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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 3:59 am

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pffft that was WAAAAY at the start of the thread :3 There was no way I'd ever have interpreted that as a crumb for your actions so much later in the thread.
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:36 am

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welp gg
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:21 am

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Town in no way deserved this

Congrats to mafia for bringing it to a coin flip
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:25 am

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Cool beans. I struggle in normal games because of the amount of people which is why I stay in the micro forum.

I enjoyed this game and I'm sorry I got so far behind and wasn't as engaged as I needed to be.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:27 am

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A50, had you not self-hammered, we could've easily gotten Aneninen lynched that day.

Creature's reads were enough to get one scum, lol.

Gamma clear town MVP, was wagoned hard for being right.

Jay... you can't keep doing this. Had Gamma lost the coinflip, I'd be comfortable arguing town loss was your responsibility.

jmo is a lategame player and was obvtown, lol.

Luca nailed pintu gj wp.

NSG WHY DID YOU VIG JMO WHEN WE AGREED ON MUTANT
VIGS ARE ANTI-TOWN

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- Realise that not every case of people having good reads is literally "you're scum"
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Scumteam deserved the win. None of them obvtowned but none of them obvscummed either (other than mutant's scumslip which NSG didn't vig).
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:51 am

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In post 1979, Mathdino wrote:NSG WHY DID YOU VIG JMO WHEN WE AGREED ON MUTANT
VIGS ARE ANTI-TOWN
i disagree. i missed once, yes – but i also hit scum once. in the same gamestate me choosing to not shoot at all would only have hurt town. plenty of people had completely changed direction on pintu after his ate – there's no guarantee he would have been lynched anytime soon. of course, had a vig not been in the game at all there's no telling how things would have turned out, but eh.
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:33 am

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Yeah I miscalculated, and honestly shouldn't have thought the Jailkeeper WOULDN'T just let me go on with what I was doing instead of potentially letting a scum go to day 3 if I wasn't shot or something. I would have let whoever fake claimed live to see if they made it too day 3 or not. But I'm weird like that.

Really, after reading the Mafia chat, I thought my plan to waste the Scum's time in killing me almost succeeded had you and some others not called for the Vigilante to shoot me instead. Then I tried the same thing day 2 and well... Yeah.
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 6:34 am

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Fakeclaiming and drawing the nightkill doesn't work when scum literally have a rolecop to check for themselves. It just gives scum more mislynches.
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:04 am

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In post 1979, Mathdino wrote:other than mutant's scumslip
What is it that you are considering to be my scum slip?
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:05 am

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In post 1588, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 1581, Mathdino wrote:btw i'm also willing to bet that jay is our mafia rolecop

he's actively PR hunting and also taunted us with the A50 "scumflip"

classic jay thing to do as scum, breadcrumbing his actual scum role
Just pointing out, we don't actually have to hunt the rolecop necessarily. Once we kill either of the last 2 scum they practically lose the role (unless they are so stupid they'd rather role check someone instead of killing). But, in Jay's case, I guess this works as an argument they are scum.
not a hard scumslip but a soft one which NSG and i pointed out

enough for me to solidify what was originally a game-long nullread on you into a hard scumread

you should've been vigged for this
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:07 am

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also lol at the idea of getting me to hard townread you by replicating my advice to you at the end of stack the deck :P

that was advice on getting townread by other people

pocketing me is a somewhat different process
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:29 am

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Yeah, strongly town reading you at the start was a mistake on my part. I wasn't trying to pocket you, but I do feel like I'd have town read you had I been town this game.

As for that slip, I feel fairly certain that I'd have thought along the same lines as town since I was genuinely under the impression it was pretty standard on this site for factional kills and role abilities to not be able to be performed at once. I'm not entirely sure if I would have said it though, but I'd definitely have had the same line of thinking.
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:31 am

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something something it was the way you said it

and the fact that you didn't make any indication of having actually gone and read the setup post

it was very much different from your behaviour in Switch, where i locktowned you (unfortunately only after i died, but you can read that PT to see why i townread you there)

i'm a tell-reliant player, i assume any scum that isn't brain-dead can easily fake scumhunting and charisma

the advice i gave you in stack the deck was more charisma-focused and "how to not get mislynched" IIRC

i am not as good at scum as i am at town so my advice in not getting lynched as scum would be different
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:36 am

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My not getting lynched as scum advice is "don't worry about getting townread, just never be the best lynch". If I had to point you to a game where I feel I did that I'd go for Regfan's Owner's Market Blitz. I got lynched but Day 1 I was pretty much caught out but manage to get my buddy suspect mislynched before me
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:41 am

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i mean i feel like he successfully did that on literally every day possible

dodged the lynch to let A50, Jay, AND Paradox self-destruct

the distancing between this scumteam was god-tier, i literally switched to Paradox because i was convinced mutant/aneninen made 0 sense
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:45 am

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I still can't for the life of me see the town benefit of self-voting from Almost.
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:49 am

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Tbh A50 self-voting was the highlight of this game for me. I was so sure we were going to lose 1 of us day 1 yet somehow we just quick lynched one of the strongest players here instead. I mean, losing someone N1 is hardly any better than a D1 lynch but at least we got rid of A50 without running the risk of his reads suddenly becoming law.
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:56 am

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I mean I still hold that pintu got "lynched".

I want to blame A50 for his self-hammer but I also blame every townie who refused to listen to me fucking locktowning him sooooo
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:57 am

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Also what was up with Paradox actually softclaiming PR at every opportunity?

Like, fuck, both Jay AND Paradox ALONG WITH THE ENTIRE SCUMTEAM tried to rolefish me when I explicitly didn't lie about having forgotten my role. I legitimately thought I could've been the jailkeeper near the start of the game.

I mean yeah it was a gambit but also a case of "Of course I'm going to exploit my lack of remembrance to gain unreadability".

Assuming I'd lie like that as town was faulty af :lol:
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:58 am

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also jay stop PR hunting in the game thread in front of everyone thanks

i mean mafia already knew who the vig was but if i ever thought there was even a chance you were town, it was completely nullified by you rolefishing people
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:03 am

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If we hadn't have checked NSG N1 then I do feel like we'd have figured it out anyway. We wouldn't have shot her though since it's obviously not guaranteed in that scenario.
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:16 am

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In post 1979, Mathdino wrote:A50, had you not self-hammered, we could've easily gotten Aneninen lynched that day.
I can see how that was annoying, but surely you can also see how it irks me to be SR'd by TOWN (and half of them already know me) when I was OBV!Towning.

I mean, there are players (yourself included) who could tell I was baiting a NK from the word go. Gamma failing to see it was one major disappointment, and Jay to a lesser extent, and it set me off. I mean, I would expect SCUM!Jay to do that, but I was confident Gamma was TOWN, so..

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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:20 am

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Gamma failing to see it was a single oversight I think. Jay and Paradox going along with the clearly scum-motivated wagon was just bad.

The thing is, no one would've quickhammered and NSG and Creature had still not come back to give input (which would probably have saved you from the lynch).

You pride yourself on being somewhat unreadable, I think. But you have it both ways, being unreadable and also not be misread by bad town :lol:
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 11:59 am

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Yeah, I probably should work on adapting to being SR'd against my will. I usually enjoy being SR'd as Town, but only when I do something scummy on purpose as a gambit or a reaction test. You have a point and I totally should be more composed when I'm SR'd by bad Town though.

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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:08 pm

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I feel my intelligence being insulted again by a being of higher power. Hey Almost.

Can't you at least see my point of view from my previous experience with you? Doing everything completely different and seemingly not as invested in the game? You were literally screaming Scum in my eyes there.
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