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Post Post #1550 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:27 am

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*neither texcat
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Post Post #1551 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:28 am

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Post Post #1552 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:44 am

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In post 1530, Taly wrote:Yeah, I'm surprised. I though
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Texcat
, did you really think I was Mafia?... I'm not sure why you didn't shoot
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to try and take out the last mafia.
I thought you were more dangerous to me than mafia was.
In post 1540, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1538, Creature wrote:
In post 1536, davesaz wrote:N6
A50 protects texcat from Earth
???
This was actually right, and I didn't think A50 would realize, as noted in the PT. If he picks the same element as me then my win chance drops to zero, and town and texcat split the difference.

Also dave, texcat couldn't shoot me because I outed her, so even if she had lived she'd have been lynched for sure.
Yep, shooting Something would hand town the win with two townies alive on D7, whether or not I survived. I thought my only hope was the 1-1-1 scenario.
Almost50 wrote:Like, if I was a FULL Doctor I would have saved 3 kills, but then that would have saved a Mafioso on D1. I wish I could've saved texcat on N6 still though.

If you were a full doc, you'd be dead. ; ) And I wish you had saved me too!!!
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Post Post #1553 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 8:31 am

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I had a feeling something was up with Texcat but this was one of my first ever scum games. I’ve played about 25 games (inc other sites) and never drew scum until now - I got roasted in my other games but did ok ish in this game although not as good as I’d hoped- credit to S_S for carrying the baton home


Question @ Ausuka - I am fairly certain your strong ish scum read on me flipped to town after we started playing mafia month. Am I correct?
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Post Post #1554 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:02 am

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In post 1552, texcat wrote:
In post 1530, Taly wrote:Yeah, I'm surprised. I though
texcat
was the Mafia and
Something_Smart
was the SK.

Texcat
, did you really think I was Mafia?... I'm not sure why you didn't shoot
Shadpearl
or
Something_Smart
to try and take out the last mafia.
I thought you were more dangerous to me than mafia was.
LMAO.

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Post Post #1555 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:10 am

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Post Post #1556 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:04 am

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In post 1539, Taly wrote:I'm not sure why Sando suspected havingfitz if he got no result N2.
I didn't really and I'm pretty sure I didn't vote him with the inno result. But to my reckoning with docs and SKs and such, it only disproved SK and even then there was only 1 NK N2. There was 2 scum alive at that point so only 50/50 that I'd hit the right one and not innocent the wrong man.

Also I thought the "this guy can't be SK" would be sufficient crumb and on Day 3 I knew I was basically signing my own death warrant anyway.
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Post Post #1557 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 11:07 am

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Yo Tex, would you have shot Profii N3 if he was alive after that claim?
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Post Post #1558 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:11 pm

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From scumthread:
In post 207, Something_Smart wrote:Means the tracker is experienced enough to play along. First thought was Sando but I think he's back after a long hiatus so I don't know if he'd be so smooth about it.
Pretty much the only thing I'm actually good at, handling PR claims (not actually using the PR, I suck at that). Sure I'm good to hand scum a few mislynches in the first few days, but darn it, I can turn PR claims into weapons against scum like it's no-one's business. Then again I've normally mislynched 1-2 townies by that point and town don't listen to me :(
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Post Post #1559 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:33 pm

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In post 1557, Sando wrote:Yo Tex, would you have shot Profii N3 if he was alive after that claim?
No, I would still have shot you. It was pretty obvious by the end of day that you were the tracker.
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Post Post #1560 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:02 pm

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In post 1559, texcat wrote:No, I would still have shot you. It was pretty obvious by the end of day that you were the tracker.
Yeah the more I talked the more I figured it was just clearing the air for the SK (I thought you were scumpartner tbh). I was putting you at 50/50 in my lynchpool though so maybe we'd have hit ya and just been left with a single scum after killing Profii the next day.
In post 1536, davesaz wrote:A50 protects Taly from Water
Sando tracks Ausuka
texcat kills Sando with Water
Dunno why I didn't get the protect on me tbh though, I figured with that much telegraphing it'd come my way, plus it would have been the right element even.
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Post Post #1561 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:12 pm

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Forgot to say - sorry shadpearl. Nothing personal there but it was a bit of a flail which is why I got caught out on that jimmy bit :(
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Post Post #1562 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:12 pm

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In post 1553, profii wrote: Question @ Ausuka - I am fairly certain your strong ish scum read on me flipped to town after we started playing mafia month. Am I correct?
Yeah, I think that was it. I don't remember much from d2 though, a month is quite a long time :P
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Post Post #1563 (ISO) » Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:57 pm

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In post 1532, Creature wrote:When it's 2:1:1 always lynch town
Wait I read this and just went "yeah obviously that's right", but...

Why not, as town, set up the killers NKs? Tex agrees to shoot Shad, S_S agrees to shoot A50. If only one lies they win. If both lie town wins (this is important in this instance), and if one lies and the doc saves the non-liar town wins.

Due to the nature of the SK bulletproof, doing it this way would mean that in the event that they both lie yet the SK manages to live through it, town still win, where in 1-1-1 the SK would win still.

Plus there's a chance the doc saves and leaves you in a 1-1-1 anyway.

Seems like due to the setup, in this instance, 2-1-1 would be better for town...if they'd actually done some work to control the NKs.
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Post Post #1564 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 12:19 am

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In post 1562, Ausuka wrote:
In post 1553, profii wrote: Question @ Ausuka - I am fairly certain your strong ish scum read on me flipped to town after we started playing mafia month. Am I correct?
Yeah, I think that was it. I don't remember much from d2 though, a month is quite a long time :P
I was playing with you in 2 games plus LUV as scum in multiple games so was trying to change it up all over the place to try and get town read by scum mates in multiple games. It was an interesting time
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Post Post #1565 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 3:56 am

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Sando, I don't understand why you didn't just counterclaim, since it was obvious (at least to me) that you were the tracker. And why didn't you push the Profii lynch? I still don't understand the thinking there.
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Post Post #1566 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 4:05 am

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lol At least I discouraged a scumwagon on me through wallposts and bitchiness.
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Post Post #1567 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 8:02 am

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In post 1560, Sando wrote:Dunno why I didn't get the protect on me tbh though, I figured with that much telegraphing it'd come my way, plus it would have been the right element even.
You kept shading me AND Taly (the one I was hard TRing). I wasn't about to protect you over him.

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Post Post #1568 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 10:55 am

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In post 1565, texcat wrote:Sando, I don't understand why you didn't just counterclaim, since it was obvious (at least to me) that you were the tracker. And why didn't you push the Profii lynch? I still don't understand the thinking there.
Well it apparently wasn't obvious to the doctor :lol: :lol:

The idea was sound, lynch outside of Profii/Shad and get the SK to kill the false tracker claim, problem was pretty much all the townies decided to not think it through and forced me to basically out myself as tracker. If they'd stopped to think about it before jumping in then we could have basically quietly ignored the claims and you'd have been left with very little info.

But yeah, basic plan was to get the SK to kill Profii. Unless you knew I was tracker from my first post-claim post?

But even if it failed and you'd NK me overnight instead, profii was insta-lynched the next day. Only risk was we were leaving the SK alive but I was confident Profii wasn't the SK.

The thing about it is, it took no special info from me as the tracker to know it was the right call, a VT could have and should have done that work and protected me from having to talk that much, but it didn't happen.
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Post Post #1569 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 2:32 pm

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In post 1568, Sando wrote:But yeah, basic plan was to get the SK to kill Profii.
Lol. I was never going to kill Profii (or Shadpearl). Never ever.
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Post Post #1570 (ISO) » Tue May 01, 2018 2:50 pm

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In post 1569, texcat wrote:
In post 1568, Sando wrote:But yeah, basic plan was to get the SK to kill Profii.
Lol. I was never going to kill Profii (or Shadpearl). Never ever.
Then you'd have killed me overnight at worst and Profii was sitting there swinging in the breeze ready to be lynched. Or if I'd flown low you'd have killed a different townie and I CCd D4 with another result. Given I was pushing Aus/Tex, if we'd lynched Aus I'd have tracked you and vice versa, so unless you/scum hit me you were done.

We lost nothing by not lynching Profii/Shad, if we'd just ignored his claim and lynched elsewhere we had a chance to hit you, or the other scum, and help town immensely, not to mention give me a good chance of flying low and getting an extra investigate overnight.

Either I CC and die overnight or I let town mislynch a townie. What part of CCing and dying overnight is a better option than what I did? There's literally no downside to what I did, with a decent chance of an upside, especially if town had actually played reasonably and not just blindly gone along with a scumplan.
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Post Post #1571 (ISO) » Wed May 02, 2018 3:51 am

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Sorry for flaking mod/town. RL took my head out of the game.

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