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Post Post #3300 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2018 5:42 pm

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Mathdino in mod thread wrote:Huge shout out to this post. Quick and Sando are very good at their sides of the game -- Quick on the psychological side, and Sando on the logical side.
I get the sentiment, and I'd definitely agree that I'm not very good at making reads based on psychology. What I would say though, you cannot ignore the other side, which is what I feel Quick was doing. I'll acknowledge psychology and listen to others on it, even if I don't trust it all that much. But Quick just flat out refusing to acknowledge logic meant that when logic was the better choice, town lost, and I think in most games by the late-game, logic is best.

Also if you look at our reads, Quick was much better early game, I was much better late game. Yeah I lol'd into Mutant+NM early game but didn't actually hit home with it, whilst Quick was actually fairly strong on Mutant early game. Sure there's plenty of town doing stupid stuff and scum doing townie stuff early game, so logical play isn't great. But by days 3+, the chances of scum playing illogically that entire time are basically zero, and logic based reads become much stronger.
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Post Post #3301 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2018 5:43 pm

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In post 3298, Mathdino wrote:Pintu in theory offers a mediating voice
I 100% agree with this. NM almost got lynched there, it was just that Pintu got a little paranoid that I had accused one scum in my first posts.

If It had been a Lylo with no confirmed townie, I honestly think town had exact 0% chances of winning this.

If the rest of the town was voting NM and stayed there, I think Quick would end up hammering even if biased.

But in a 3 person Lylo as soon as Quick voted Momo, NM would just hammer and win.
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Post Post #3302 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2018 5:46 pm

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In post 3299, pinturicchio wrote:Yeah Sando if I had made the right call and voted NM you wouldn't even be discussing this, and I should've voted NM but I really really really didn't give a fuck at the end 'cause I was really mad at MOMO and Quick
I thought your reads were good, and I get the frustration from whatever day it was that I was directing you not realising you wouldn't get notified of jail (NM didn't know this and was asking in Mafia thread so I felt better about that). It was just the idea of you being alive as a benefit that I didn't get, Quick was always gonna be left alive and that meant you needed his vote no matter what. I wouldn't have backed anyone to convince him, and I certainly can't understand someone signing up to try that :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #3303 (ISO) » Sat May 19, 2018 6:14 pm

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if pintu isnt confirmed it's still obviously nm.
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Post Post #3304 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:55 am

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In post 3249, the worst wrote:"i'm down to kill the wrost"

ouch
You gotta love how much discussion went into your kill considering how heavily town discussed it the next day :lol:
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Post Post #3305 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 12:57 am

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In post 3304, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 3249, the worst wrote:"i'm down to kill the wrost"

ouch
You gotta love how much discussion went into your kill considering how heavily town discussed it the next day :lol:
Right...? :lol:
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Post Post #3306 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:00 am

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In post 3267, Sando wrote:Also love that I called the main threat to town being NM jailer like 4 days ago
Honestly it was so fun seeing y'all be like "Nah N_M can't be the jailor because they're bussing him!"
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Post Post #3307 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:04 am

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In post 3278, Mathdino wrote:You were good Sando, forgot to give a shout out
Personally, I found Pintu and Sando to be our biggest threats. I very much enjoyed my heated debates with Pintu and Sando was so damn accurate with Scum5. Had I been town, I'd have been following Sando a lot so I decided to do so as scum knowing that it potentially paints him as a scum buddy trying to keep me alive :3
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Post Post #3308 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:07 am

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In post 3290, Sando wrote:
In post 3286, jjh927 wrote:I was up for the tracker plan until you told me not to be
Also by eod I was 90% sure scum would kill you anyway and just throw mutant under the bus, main part was to not CC and trust where I was directing.
You're correct. I was more than prepared to be thrown under the bus and I would have pushed for that in the scum PT. I had been heavily suspected since day 1 and I should have died then. I find it surprising I was allowed to live for so long and was anticipating my death each day.
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Post Post #3309 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:12 am

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In post 3300, Sando wrote:Sure there's plenty of town doing stupid stuff and scum doing townie stuff early game, so logical play isn't great. But by days 3+, the chances of scum playing illogically that entire time are basically zero, and logic based reads become much stronger.
I fully agree with this. Once you have mechanical information rather than just psychology, logic is the way to go.
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Post Post #3310 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:16 am

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I feel like playing via sheer psychology is dangerous in its own ways. Some slots give out negative energy or bad vibes for completely different reasons than their actual alignment.

Tbh I dunno why I'm talking, my scumhunting method is quacking loudly until things die
who's scum? i haven't read up yet but like, it's me
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Post Post #3311 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:21 am

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So I guess NM is actually impossible to read... Never not PLing him again.
https://youtu.be/LRkYiRnRzY0

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Post Post #3312 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:23 am

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Lots of people read me correctly this game
Also, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.
I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.
I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?
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Post Post #3313 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:24 am

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Lol @ the early celebration in the dead chat.
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Post Post #3314 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:26 am

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viewtopic.php?p=10097071#p10097071

Answer: by writing enough BS and seeding enough doubt that they forget they have a very valid point against me ;)
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Post Post #3315 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:28 am

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In post 3313, mutantdevle wrote:Lol @ the early celebration in the dead chat.
Fam I was this close to crackin open the champagne
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Post Post #3316 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:29 am

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974 was hilarious btw
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Post Post #3317 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:30 am

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Personally, I really enjoyed this game. That definitely wasn't an easy win and I feel like we definitely had to work for it.

My immediate concern was that NM was the jailkeeper. I honestly expected him to be policy killed quite early. I suppose it's lucky that there was no vig.

I was also concerned about the lack of activity in the scum PT, but that worked out in the end.

I'll definitely sign up for this if it's run again. Mainly to get the hider role though :P
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Post Post #3318 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:32 am

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In post 3311, Quick wrote:So I guess NM is actually impossible to read... Never not PLing him again.
NM is super easy to read, jjh did it correctly this game and a few people showed awareness of his meta

Dont have to read Not_Mafia when you can read MOMOMEN tho
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Post Post #3319 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:33 am

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In post 3316, the worst wrote:974 was hilarious btw
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Post Post #3320 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:35 am

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In post 3318, Mathdino wrote:Dont have to read Not_Mafia when you can read MOMOMEN tho
QFT

The wagon shift this game will haunt my nightmares for a long time.
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Post Post #3321 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:54 am

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In post 3311, Quick wrote:So I guess NM is actually impossible to read... Never not PLing him again.
Like...everyone told you to lynch him...
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Post Post #3322 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 1:57 am

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No lie, I've played games where Not_Mafia was the 2nd best town player

It seems like you're blaming the loss on an impossible situation Not_Mafia put you in

...he lolhammered like 3 people without claims in an open with 5 power roles

Not rocket science
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Post Post #3323 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 2:01 am

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In post 3307, mutantdevle wrote:
In post 3278, Mathdino wrote:You were good Sando, forgot to give a shout out
Personally, I found Pintu and Sando to be our biggest threats. I very much enjoyed my heated debates with Pintu and Sando was so damn accurate with Scum5. Had I been town, I'd have been following Sando a lot so I decided to do so as scum knowing that it potentially paints him as a scum buddy trying to keep me alive :3
Pintu's reads were
gooooood
during that phase, it was just his PR play that was really irking me. Thankfully, although contradicting my plan (which was fairly pointless post CC tbf) on the tracker he helped push you, I was definitely heavily leaning you for scum, but forcing scum to solve it for me was definitely going to help me mentally. I think the main issue with Pintu was that in I think both me and Mom's case, personal conflict bled over into scum-reads, which bled over into being a fairly ineffective buffer in the end-game against town mislynching.
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Post Post #3324 (ISO) » Sun May 20, 2018 2:05 am

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In post 3318, Mathdino wrote:Dont have to read Not_Mafia when you can read MOMOMEN tho
TRing Momo was certainly easier for me than SRing NM, but then that tends to be the way for me. By the end of the game I was more confident of my Mom read than Quick, which I'd had since D1, the situations Mom was put in during those mid to late days just screamed town reaction.
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