Open 723: Purgatory! (Hell Phase 3)

[RC most awesomest]

It's significantly easier to correctly pin one out of two scum than it is to pin one single scum.

No, 5/7ths of the time you're killing an obvtown slot just so that you can play the game on later days. That's the issue, and it's more like 20% than 3%

You are never going to be obvtown in this game

PoE is strong, even more so when I can't get NKed

You are basically trying to NK me right now

If you want to call it that, then yes I would prefer you be nightkilled over myself.
I think most rational doctors in most games would have the same assessment.
I would also strongly argue that I already -am- obvtown for refusing to go to heaven if nothing else, but I don't expect to convince you of that because if a cop outed with an inno on me you would probably advocate lynching the cop to be sure that the inno is real.

So basically you're saying you want to be responsible for the loss if we lose, and you're willing to decrease our actual winrate just so it's not somebody else losing you the game

I sympathize with that but it's not rational

I strongly disagree that giving me only one or two JDs with which to solve the game, and those only if town plays properly the remainder of the game, is increasing town win equity.

[RC most awesomest]

This game is white flag. You are advocating for what would be, if I was scum, taking away one vector for town to win the game (ie lynching me.)
With two scum alive unless both scum are power playing to the point that they're going to heaven anyway someone has to be responsible for the lynch
you're arguing it's better for equity to (if I was scum) have an entirely associative and responsibility less trek for me to heaven that my partner is never associated with

you're now hypothetically hunting for a serial killer in a haystack.

[ruru]

It's significantly easier to correctly pin one out of two scum than it is to pin one single scum.

And this is relevant to...?

I would also strongly argue that I already -am- obvtown for refusing to go to heaven if nothing else, but I don't expect to convince you of that because if a cop outed with an inno on me you would probably advocate lynching the cop to be sure that the inno is real.

I just don't think going to heaven today is correct for scum!RC

[RC most awesomest]

Bluntly I haven't actually considered it: you may hypothetically be right about what I would do if I was scum. But it's never the right move to send town!me to heaven.

If I thought my slot was in jeopardy I would go for it but I feel pretty damn confident I never get lynched this game so I see it as extremely non beneficial

[ruru]

This game is white flag. You are advocating for what would be, if I was scum, taking away one vector for town to win the game (ie lynching me.)

... Okay I actually need a rules clarification

Do we instantly win if we lynch two scum to hell, or do we win at endgame if two scum are in hell?

I thought if we lynch two scum to hell, we can still lose by lynching town in lylo

[RC most awesomest]

No. If we lynch two scum to hell the game is over.

[ruru]

Isn't this setup super townsided then?

[RC most awesomest]

yes.

[Hiraki]

VOTE: UglyDuck

Bad.

paraphrase of the probable skum PT:

Ruru: I will make a bunch of bs jokes and then try to start a wagon on UD.

Worse.

The person I replaced was...ech.

Very strong TR on Invisibility after Page 5.

my fucking replace guy does not know what he's doing, wish I read more before replacing in

but this post is just distasteful. Ruru wasn't even pushing you as a policy. You've been abrasive the entire game, and telling someone to replace out is disgusting.

VOTE: RC

policy for being a poor sport

If this isn't the lynch today, I will replace out because fuck playing with someone like this.

Yeah, I don't ever want to play with you man.

Can't get a read on AP.

I'm reporting it the moment I see a flip

Wouldn't mind breaking the game here to get that guy banned. This is just a joke but man fuck him.

I'm not OK with ruru going to Heaven.

I would rather send Invisibility.

Vote: Invisibility

[RC most awesomest]

Wait was ruru trying to like

send two scum to hell and then stall to 2 way and that was why she didn't want to go to heaven?

[RC most awesomest]

nah ruru's town but lol

[ruru]

Maruchan can you confirm this please?

No. If we lynch two scum to hell the game is over.

[ruru]

Assuming it's true, then lynch me and also RC is town

[RC most awesomest]

SIS IT'S IN YOUR ROLE PM

[Invisibility]

im only going to self-vote if it's for hammer

[RC most awesomest]

invis, without at all implying that you're scum, can you please vote Ruru

[AP]

What are your reads then AP

Let me put it this way: I believe 1 scum was on the wagon. That would be either ruru or N_M (because the other 3 I TR).

That leaves another one off the wagon (aside from UD) and that would be either Oxy or Alch.

If you believe the wagon to be all town then Oxy AND Alch are scum, but it's rarely the case that a scum gets lynched on D1 w.o a bussing partner.

[ruru]

... yeah that's a lot less ambiguous than the wiki

Well at least you know where I was coming from now

I actually don't think this clears you as town, though. Assuming everyone else understood the rules, there was probably no way you get lynched today so agreeing to my logic would only make you look scummy. So I think your reaction is NAI?

Anyway lynching me seems correct

[RC most awesomest]

I mean given that in my last game where I was also town I asked to be sent to heaven D2 (because I didn't have the mental energy to deal with being errantly scumread at the time) I could have gone along with you if I wanted to. All that this says is that I didn't want to go to heaven today. I would have if I wanted to.

[ruru]

VOTE: ruru

Why did you put me at L-1 if you think I'm likely scum?

Without you knowing I misunderstood the rules, scum!me would self-hammer there

[ruru]

I think the most scum-indicative posts from Oxy are 124-152

It could be nothing, but it felt like he was going to scumread me, and then changed his mind opportunistically

I find this much scummier than his replace out

Him townreading me on d1 is kind of weird in the sense that he knows my meta and knows I have much more reason to troll as scum than as town. But it's also not weird in the sense that Oxy always hard townreads me for no reason

I feel kind of the same in that AP also scumread me for no reason last game so I'm hesitant to scumread his d1 vote on me (even though my d1 was designed specifically to look for scum trying to jump on an easy mislynch and his vote on me would otherwise fit perfectly)

Also Oxy's setup spec strikes me as a lot scummier unless he had the same misunderstanding that I have

[RC most awesomest]

fwiw you seem like a lot of fun to play with and I look forward to chatting in martyr topic with you later. I wouldn't send you to heaven if I had anyone else I was sure on.

[ruru]

We’re not sending anyone off the wagon to heaven

That's the wrong approach IMHO. By sending

me

to Heaven I will flip and be confirmed, but -more importantly- you will NOT be sending anyone from that wagon to Hell next, so you're taking me out of the PoE list while still maintain all your TRs in-play.

Now, let's assume I'm scum (for the sake of argument). I will still FLIP, so you will know, and you will not need to listen to me IF push come to shove and we reach Judgement Day.

But I'm not going to fight for my view here.

I'm just making a stance, so feel free to do as you wish.

This post which I'm actually probably reading for the first time is scummy especially the bolded

[ruru]

Yeah I think AP is just scum especially considering when he voted me d1 + the UD flip

UD looked pretty bad d1 so I don't think the votes on him mean much?

AP > Hiraki/N_M > RC/teacher > Invis?

[ruru]

fwiw you seem like a lot of fun to play with and I look forward to chatting in martyr topic with you later. I wouldn't send you to heaven if I had anyone else I was sure on.

Wow I was afraid you were going to hate me forever