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killing reundo works for scum!me too. not only because it creates WIFOM, but also because trying to kill the watcher will either create another watcher (who could have been reundo even) or out me as scum if I get it wrong. imagine I'm working with a POE of you/irrel/nauci for watcher. if I kill nauci and irrel is watcher, he is likely watching her, and vice versa. if I kill you and you're the watcher, we'll have a new inno today which could be reundo and I'm running against nauci/irrel who are townier than I am.In post 2425, Eragon wrote:I think Tora was scummy after that hammer, by I don’t see why Tora would kill reundo other for than this exact reason, WIFOM
So I’m not sure if the scum is (Tora/irrelelphant)
If ireelephant is scum they honestly deserves this game
it works even better for you of course, and works perfectly for irrel. if irrel is scum, this is the play. he can't target nauci on the risk of getting outed for it, and he is the most townread slot out of everyone alive so he doesn't need the reundo mislynch.- Toranaga
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I never scumread anything irrelephant did and think his attitude both around the keyser lynch, pushing me for my hammer, and today after the reveal are genuine
I was strong scumreading eragon through most of d2. I'll revisit those posts this gameday.- Toranaga
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In post 385, Dunnstral wrote:tinfoil theory: Eragon is scum and his partner(s) felt the need to welcome him in thread to try to seem like they're not talking in pt
Not a serious theory jsut something to consider I guess- Toranaga
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would dunn dump this brick of WIFOM itt when eragon is scum and volxen literally welcomed him to the thread?- Toranaga
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check the post numbers so you can see how the wagons progressed
In post 395, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.13
-Sesq(5)Dunnstral117,northsidegal307,the worst308,volxen330,Ausuka345
-volxen(3)Reundo220,Sesq222,Keyser Söze224
-Keyser Söze(1)Huntress393
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant11 255
- Eragon 194Huntress(1)
Not voting: Toranaga 110
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).In post 411, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.14
-volxen(6)Reundo220,Sesq222,Keyser Söze224, Toranaga 402,the worst406,Ausuka408
-Sesq(3)Dunnstral117,northsidegal307,volxen330
-Keyser Söze(1)Huntress393
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant11 255
- Eragon 194Huntress(1)
Not voting: N/A
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
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missed volxen's colour
I'm the only one that knows now volxen was NOT bussed d1- Irrelephant11
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I am the worst watcher ever
Scum you have outplayed me so hard
I am so sorry guys T_T
I watched Eragon last night thinking there's no way scum would take out the best bet of a mislynch
But I should have guessed because they've been taking out almost every single top mislynch opportunity the whole game- Irrelephant11
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Last scum was much more scared of watcher guilty than of being figured out by town though
However
Kudos because with everyone's tunneling out of the way this should be just the most fascinating last day
KEYSER I'M SORRY
My top suspect for now is Irrelephant11 and I'll try to get to ISOs before end of week.- Irrelephant11
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I'm ISOing myself for clues
This might be a clueIn post 1043, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hmmm: Volxen never has any interaction from his side with the Kop[Eragon] slot or Dunnstral, except to welcome Eragon to the game. I think this is mostly meaningless for Eragon, less certain on what it means for Dunnstral, who actively tried to shift people off the volxen wagon early on.
pedit: I wonder if scum knew that Nauci would think it was me here
ftr Nauci there's no way scum!me takes you to mylo- Irrelephant11
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er, I guess this is lylo
Yeah Nauci there's a 0% chance I continually pass up the opportunity to nightkill you
Not to mention I would have had to bus both my partners which is not my style - and I definitely had my pick of who I wanted to push lynches towards both d1 and d2. You might think I'm trying to change my scum meta to avoid you catching me out but scum!me bussed one of my partners before you were even in the game
Scum!relephant gets to 8-way mylo with both partners alive and you dead, or at least 6-way with dunnstral still alive
Kinda hurt you think this is my new scum meta actually
I recognize that's AtE but it's deserved I feel
This is actually gonna be an uphill battle which is incredibly frustrating given how much work I've already put into this game
As an aside I think I scumread Toranaga's trajectory this game but there's also more points this game from Tora that seem harder to fake as scum
I don't think I have the emotional energy to work more on this right now. This is like simultaneously a fascinating and extremely disheartening endgame- Eragon
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I didnt even think about that lmao. I agree, the "easy" kill is much more likely to come from someone in a strong TR position, unless thats what scum wants us to think. so its all WIFOM on this? i dont think we should really make notes on what the NK did, because (me/tora/Irrel) are all experience players and had an objectively good game and all are able of making WIFOM-y plugs, so i certainly wouldnt bank the game on that.In post 2432, Toranaga wrote:
killing reundo works for scum!me too. not only because it creates WIFOM, but also because trying to kill the watcher will either create another watcher (who could have been reundo even) or out me as scum if I get it wrong. imagine I'm working with a POE of you/irrel/nauci for watcher. if I kill nauci and irrel is watcher, he is likely watching her, and vice versa. if I kill you and you're the watcher, we'll have a new inno today which could be reundo and I'm running against nauci/irrel who are townier than I am.In post 2425, Eragon wrote:I think Tora was scummy after that hammer, by I don’t see why Tora would kill reundo other for than this exact reason, WIFOM
So I’m not sure if the scum is (Tora/irrelelphant)
If ireelephant is scum they honestly deserves this game
it works even better for you of course, and works perfectly for irrel. if irrel is scum, this is the play. he can't target nauci on the risk of getting outed for it, and he is the most townread slot out of everyone alive so he doesn't need the reundo mislynch.
i agree with you about irrel, but im still going to have to inspect his posts.In post 2433, Toranaga wrote:I never scumread anything irrelephant did and think his attitude both around the keyser lynch, pushing me for my hammer, and today after the reveal are genuine
I was strong scumreading eragon through most of d2. I'll revisit those posts this gameday.
id be entirely shocked if no one bussed volxen with a vote.In post 2436, Toranaga wrote:check the post numbers so you can see how the wagons progressed
In post 395, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.13
-Sesq(5)Dunnstral117,northsidegal307,the worst308,volxen330,Ausuka345
-volxen(3)Reundo220,Sesq222,Keyser Söze224
-Keyser Söze(1)Huntress393
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant11 255
- Eragon 194Huntress(1)
Not voting: Toranaga 110
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).In post 411, Flicker wrote:Votecount 1.14
-volxen(6)Reundo220,Sesq222,Keyser Söze224, Toranaga 402,the worst406,Ausuka408
-Sesq(3)Dunnstral117,northsidegal307,volxen330
-Keyser Söze(1)Huntress393
Toranaga (1)- Irrelephant11 255
- Eragon 194Huntress(1)
Not voting: N/A
The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).
So, where im at looking at the votes.
Tora was on Volxen, and #4, which is honestly one of the best spots, because its not super early and trying to get them lynched but its not so late it is apparant bussing.
My vote was still from Kop's apparant first vote??? RvS? honestly im not sure??
And if tora is scum then Irrelephant nailed you D1, but if its vice versa then Scum!Irrelephant would rather have a vanity wagon on Tora than vote volxen for towncred? i kinda feel rel would have voted Volxen or stated direct intent the way to day was ending.
i agree here, but i find words are less bus-y than actual voting.In post 2438, Irrelephant11 wrote:Eh Eragon was all "volxen is the play nobody change your votes" at EOD and I offered to hammer
Regardless of which of us is scum volxen was at least bussed in word if not in deed
its fine nauci. you have played well either way, even if this game was mostly vanilla, we all had good games.In post 2439, Nauci wrote:I am the worst watcher ever
Scum you have outplayed me so hard
I am so sorry guys T_T
I watched Eragon last night thinking there's no way scum would take out the best bet of a mislynch
But I should have guessed because they've been taking out almost every single top mislynch opportunity the whole game
I agree about the scare, but i dont think thats neccesarily distinguishable, because i think EVERYONE is scared of being caught by watcher going into LyLO? does that make sense?In post 2441, Nauci wrote:Last scum was much more scared of watcher guilty than of being figured out by town though
However
Kudos because with everyone's tunneling out of the way this should be just the most fascinating last day
KEYSER I'M SORRY
My top suspect for now is Irrelephant11 and I'll try to get to ISOs before end of week.
im hoping that we can get a lot out of this day and win the game here, but it will take a lot of effort from all of us.
unless you were worried about being seen by the watcher, right?In post 2442, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm ISOing myself for clues
This might be a clueIn post 1043, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hmmm: Volxen never has any interaction from his side with the Kop[Eragon] slot or Dunnstral, except to welcome Eragon to the game. I think this is mostly meaningless for Eragon, less certain on what it means for Dunnstral, who actively tried to shift people off the volxen wagon early on.
pedit: I wonder if scum knew that Nauci would think it was me here
ftr Nauci there's no way scum!me takes you to mylo
because thats the only way i ever envisioned you being lynched.
also, i believe volxen only made like 2-3 posts overall after i had replaced in? and kop only had 14 short posts, so i wouldnt see much interactions anyways?
again, nauci was probably the second towniest person in the game, other than you, so i think that is also a strong watcher risk that you wouldnt be able to risk.In post 2444, Irrelephant11 wrote:er, I guess this is lylo
Yeah Nauci there's a 0% chance I continually pass up the opportunity to nightkill you
Not to mention I would have had to bus both my partners which is not my style - and I definitely had my pick of who I wanted to push lynches towards both d1 and d2. You might think I'm trying to change my scum meta to avoid you catching me out but scum!me bussed one of my partners before you were even in the game
Scum!relephant gets to 8-way mylo with both partners alive and you dead, or at least 6-way with dunnstral still alive
Kinda hurt you think this is my new scum meta actually
I recognize that's AtE but it's deserved I feel
This is actually gonna be an uphill battle which is incredibly frustrating given how much work I've already put into this game
As an aside I think I scumread Toranaga's trajectory this game but there's also more points this game from Tora that seem harder to fake as scum
I don't think I have the emotional energy to work more on this right now. This is like simultaneously a fascinating and extremely disheartening endgame
i wouldnt really consider bussing/defending volxen AI, especially because from what i remember you werent one of the STRONGEST pushers(please correct me if im wrong) so i dont think bussing that is that hard of a prospect from anyone's perspective.
i dont feel we should read you based on meta at all, as obviously you are a skilled enough player as town OR scum to not fit into meta.
this goes for Tora and I as well, i feel we have outgrown meta s2s.
I do feel you deserve AtE, because if you are town you played a hell of a game and if your scum you played even better, so i dont think its wrong.
im hoping i can easily clear you for some reason, but im paranoid going into this situation, and dont want to be hard-duped.
take your time catching up, i agree this is disheartening with the difficulty, but i feel we need to stand strong and push through the apathy of the last few days.
I have felt confident in this game being solved for a long time, so i admit i was very apathetic.
Going into this Endgame LyLo, with 4 great players, i am honestly happy with how this turned out, and this game was amazingly fun no matter the result, so i have good WIM for this game, and a desire to win. But Win/Lose, this game was amazing.- Nauci
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Good pointIn post 2442, Irrelephant11 wrote:I'm ISOing myself for clues
This might be a clueIn post 1043, Irrelephant11 wrote:Hmmm: Volxen never has any interaction from his side with the Kop[Eragon] slot or Dunnstral, except to welcome Eragon to the game. I think this is mostly meaningless for Eragon, less certain on what it means for Dunnstral, who actively tried to shift people off the volxen wagon early on.
pedit: I wonder if scum knew that Nauci would think it was me here
ftr Nauci there's no way scum!me takes you to mylo - Nauci
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