Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

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Post Post #2325  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:26 pm

Why Nauci?

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Post Post #2326  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:27 pm

pushing for keyser today feels more agenda driven than anything and sesq was objectively scummy throughout

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Post Post #2327  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:30 pm

Nauci
Toranaga
Eragon
Keyser Söze
Irrelephant11
Reundo

6 people.

if the person we Lynch today is town

5 people (4 v 1)
the mafia night kills someone
4 people(3 v 1)

There is a nolynch option there
I wouldn't recommend it, but its there.

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Post Post #2328  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:32 pm

In post 2, Flicker wrote:Setup

The setup for this game is Watchmen Wanted.

In this setup, there are:
3 Mafia Goons
1 Town Watcher
8 Town Backups

The mechanics are:
- Daystart
- As soon the current watcher dies, a randomly chosen town backup will replace them.
- The town cannot no-lynch, as such, plurality deadline rules apply to lynches.

Sample Role PMs
Spoiler: Mafia Goon
Welcome, [Player Name]. You are a Mafia Goon, along with your partners, [Player Name] and [Player Name].

Abilities:

    Factional communication: During the night phase you may talk with your partners here [QuickTopic link].
    Factional kill: Each night phase, one of you or your partners may perform the factional kill.

Win condition:

    You win when all members of the town have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from occurring.

Spoiler: Town Watcher
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Watcher.

Abilities:

    Each night phase, you may choose a player in the game to watch. You will see which players target them (if anybody).

Win condition:

    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Spoiler: Town Backup
Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Town Backup.

Abilities:

    If the Watcher dies, you might replace them.

Win condition:

    You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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Post Post #2329  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:32 pm

I don't see a world where both volxen and Dunnstral decide to bus Sesq, or that Nauci's game-solving this game has been anything but genuine. If Nauci's actually scum this game I might have to quit mafia, or at the very least study her play this game intensely to try to find out how she managed to pull off such a flawless scum game. Occam's razor suggests she's probably just town here.

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Post Post #2330  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:33 pm

sigh

you're so towny today

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Post Post #2331  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:35 pm

eragon we've been playing this for a month and you still didn't know we couldn't no-lynch :D

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Post Post #2332  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:36 pm

Votecount 4.10

Reundo (2) - Eragon , Irrelephant11
Keyser Söze (2) - Reundo , Nauci
Nauci (1) - Toranaga

Not voting: Keyser Söze

The deadline for Day 4 is 9:38 pm CT on Wednesday, October 10, in (expired on 2018-10-10 22:38:11).
Last edited by Flicker on Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

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Post Post #2333  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 pm

In post 2331, Toranaga wrote:eragon we've been playing this for a month and you still didn't know we couldn't no-lynch :D


im smert

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Post Post #2334  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 pm

too be fair, I was right that it WOULD work

if it COULD

:3

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Post Post #2335  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:48 pm

absolutely yeah. we've discussed this too. if we could no-lynch the game would be gruesomely townsided of course.

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Post Post #2336  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:54 pm

In post 2335, Toranaga wrote:absolutely yeah. we've discussed this too. if we could no-lynch the game would be gruesomely townsided of course.


:mrgreen:

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Post Post #2337  (ISO)  » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:57 pm

I have two things,

1. @Nauci are you currently thinking Reundo is scum, or at least probably scum if Keyser flips tow

2. I dont personally feel Nauci has been Agenda-y, I could maybe see it a little, but also the circumstances I definitely see it being harder to post. AFAICT they have had a busy Game-day(relatable) and I know that when you hardly have time, as town or scum, it makes you wolfier. I can't really explain it much more, but ive definitely seen it happen.

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Post Post #2338  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:48 am

In post 2319, Toranaga wrote:I have little respect for your self vote unless you're scum btw

you're trying to wash your hands to this game. you don't wanna deal with f4, so you're putting the weight of the game on reundo instead.

This was very inspirational Tora, thanks.

I had a sleep on it and decided I must play to my WIN CON here, and vote based on my reads. If we are to lose here, we must lose the right way.

Reundo through their play is least likely to be town. I do believe they haven’t given their slot the full justice it deserves and is locked in their reads, but that isn’t a reason to keep them alive.

VOTE: Reundo

I am very confident town will win this game now.

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Post Post #2339  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:39 am

In post 2269, Toranaga wrote:btw reundo whatever your alignment is, it was an immense pleasure to play with you and you made some of the finest posting I read on this site recently. you're awesome to play with even if you were mostly not around to do so.


^

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Post Post #2340  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:43 am

In post 2326, Toranaga wrote:pushing for keyser today feels more agenda driven than anything and sesq was objectively scummy throughout


Pushing the scum read that I've had since literally my first catch up post in this entire game, that has been developed over all the reactions in all of my catch up posts, from Day 2 through today?

:thinking:

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Post Post #2341  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:45 am

In post 2337, Eragon wrote:I have two things,

1. @Nauci are you currently thinking Reundo is scum, or at least probably scum if Keyser flips tow

2. I dont personally feel Nauci has been Agenda-y, I could maybe see it a little, but also the circumstances I definitely see it being harder to post. AFAICT they have had a busy Game-day(relatable) and I know that when you hardly have time, as town or scum, it makes you wolfier. I can't really explain it much more, but ive definitely seen it happen.


Not really, no

It's like

1: Keyser

Tied for 85th: Toranaga/Irrelephant11

For my scum reads?

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Post Post #2342  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:47 am

In post 2338, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2319, Toranaga wrote:I have little respect for your self vote unless you're scum btw

you're trying to wash your hands to this game. you don't wanna deal with f4, so you're putting the weight of the game on reundo instead.

This was very inspirational Tora, thanks.

I had a sleep on it and decided I must play to my WIN CON here, and vote based on my reads. If we are to lose here, we must lose the right way.

Reundo through their play is least likely to be town. I do believe they haven’t given their slot the full justice it deserves and is locked in their reads, but that isn’t a reason to keep them alive.

VOTE: Reundo

I am very confident town will win this game now.


I will be so mad if/when you flip red and no one but reundo and I could see you openwolfing

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Post Post #2343  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:55 am

There's one scum left

I've had one super strong scum read since I joined

My slot is town read and not in danger of being mislynched

I had a 103 fever for most of the week

Didn't seem like I needed to post much today

I correct my statement about whether I'd be suspicious of reundo or not if Keyser flips green, because it's definitely possible he's been purposefully mirroring my thoughts to get me in his corner

But still, I think he'd be capable of doing a lot more as scum

I think that I'd like to scrutinize Irrelephant11 more though, because if you read our newbie game he played an absolutely beautiful scum game and without pressure on his slot in days it's impossible to tell if he's town or scum here when he's got no motivation to post when there's an obvious route to victory

Also

I promise that there's no way I'd go for a quick lynch tomorrow regardless of who's flipped today

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Post Post #2344  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:56 am

In post 2338, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2319, Toranaga wrote:I have little respect for your self vote unless you're scum btw

you're trying to wash your hands to this game. you don't wanna deal with f4, so you're putting the weight of the game on reundo instead.

This was very inspirational Tora, thanks.

I had a sleep on it and decided I must play to my WIN CON here, and vote based on my reads. If we are to lose here, we must lose the right way.

Reundo through their play is least likely to be town. I do believe they haven’t given their slot the full justice it deserves and is locked in their reads, but that isn’t a reason to keep them alive.

VOTE: Reundo

I am very confident town will win this game now.


I would like you to state exactly what you mean by "through their play," and also why you are hard town reading the rest of us in comparison

In detail

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Post Post #2345  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:00 am

In post 2316, Toranaga wrote:nauci, you're suggesting the man that's arguing he needs to be lynched now isn't displaying anything towny in his ISO? I highly doubt that. if this is scum, it's quite abusive scum theatrics from an extremely talented actor.


MariaR has screamed for her to be the lynch the day before lylo while scum

Like I just view it as a theatrics stunt that pads out his post count in lieu of having to explain his thoughts

It feels like every time I've asked Keyser to explain his thought process he dodged or threw a small tantrum and called people conf biased or said that it was something town also does

Again, I have yet to see a single coherent narrative for a town keyser perspective on any other player in the game, whether it's reundo or tw or dunnnstral or ausuka or Eragon or volxen

He's failed to engage on any meaningful questions and is far more aggressive than I've seen his town game be

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Post Post #2346  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:02 am

In post 2312, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2301, Nauci wrote:
In post 2292, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Keyser Soze (for the benefit of those still angling a Keyser counter wagon).

(Will force myself to do one final read with 5 days to go).


Side note

Something like 80-85% of self votes I've seen on MS were scum

Well that’s just another scum tell I’m gonna have to rip to shreds this game.

The MS site meta is very tough.


Are you ever going to stray from "this scummy thing I did isn't a scum thing!"?

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Post Post #2347  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 6:04 am

In post 2308, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2303, Nauci wrote:Town Keyser would be fighting hard to stay alive so people don't mislynch in lylo

I just hate all of the "if dunnstral flips green I don't care about this game" or "if reundo flips town it's gg" talk as well

Look at the last 5 pages Nauci, do you seriously think someone not named Keyser or Reundo is getting lynched here?

The game is over.

As I said, Reundo was the only one who could change the game.

He didn’t.


You could change it by getting me out of tunneling you by showing your work

You could have done that any time since Day 2 when I started calling out things

But the explanation for why you didn't mention volxen buttering you up was absolutely insufficient; town Keyser does not let that blatant pocketing sit unless you want to show me other times you have, as town

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Post Post #2348  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:50 pm

In post 2347, Nauci wrote:
In post 2308, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2303, Nauci wrote:Town Keyser would be fighting hard to stay alive so people don't mislynch in lylo

I just hate all of the "if dunnstral flips green I don't care about this game" or "if reundo flips town it's gg" talk as well

Look at the last 5 pages Nauci, do you seriously think someone not named Keyser or Reundo is getting lynched here?

The game is over.

As I said, Reundo was the only one who could change the game.

He didn’t.


You could change it by getting me out of tunneling you by showing your work

You could have done that any time since Day 2 when I started calling out things

But the explanation for why you didn't mention volxen buttering you up was absolutely insufficient; town Keyser does not let that blatant pocketing sit unless you want to show me other times you have, as town

FTR: Volxen used me a spring board to attack townies for attacking me.

I was his cornerstone town read that fed into his scum reads and only meaningful interactions.

Those are the hard facts, right there.

If there is a tomorrow, I’ll explain every post I’ve made and re-read every player (something I have failed to do today).

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Post Post #2349  (ISO)  » Sat Oct 06, 2018 1:55 pm

In post 2346, Nauci wrote:
In post 2312, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 2301, Nauci wrote:
In post 2292, Keyser Söze wrote:VOTE: Keyser Soze (for the benefit of those still angling a Keyser counter wagon).

(Will force myself to do one final read with 5 days to go).


Side note

Something like 80-85% of self votes I've seen on MS were scum

Well that’s just another scum tell I’m gonna have to rip to shreds this game.

The MS site meta is very tough.


Are you ever going to stray from "this scummy thing I did isn't a scum thing!"?

Yes.

What else can I say? That my self vote was scum motivated? No Nauci. Sometimes town can self vote when they feel defeated or very frustrated when faced with the inevitable. Tora read right through my anti-town self-vote: I was trying to pass the bucket (the blame) onto Reundo for failing to solve the game.

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