Open 735: Watchmen Wanted - Game Over!

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Post Post #25  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:47 am

In post 16, Sesq wrote:
In post 13, Keyser Söze wrote:Anyone played this setup before?

I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?

And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.


please Please townread me

This was a page one question intended to be answered before we enter serious/non-RVS gameplay.

You shouldn’t see it as an attempt to look ‘townie’: it’s as non-alignment indicative as say a player asking if there is scum day chat - why are you being lazy/shortsighted?

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Post Post #26  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:52 am

i can't even fathom how hypoclaiming watcher results would work

i mean, could you explain it to me - investigation innocents i can understand hypoclaiming. watcher results in an open setup like this i can't.

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Post Post #27  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:56 am

In post 22, GameNBurger wrote:Also nobody dare TR me for that I did a bunch of shitty math only to come to the conclusion that its business as usual as far as claiming goes
in my last game a bunch of people town read me simply for effort and It blew my fucking minds as to why
I put up with it because I was town and people were having a hard time reading me but I'd like to get it out there that effort is not a one to one correlation with scuminess
a lack of effort is a good indicator of scum but a presence of effort does not indicate town

why does it bother you to be townread for what you perceive to be the wrong reasons when you're town? even if the methods are incorrect, inaccurate or unreliable, aren't they arriving at the same correct conclusion either way? what's more, it would only beneft you in the games where you rolled scum, no?

i find it hard to understand your mindset here. i've seen people townread me in previous games for reasons that i would consider questionable but given that i was town anyways there i brushed it off. if i thought that the way someone townread me was suspicious then that would be something else entirely, but that's not what you're talking about here - so what's the deal?

In post 25, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 16, Sesq wrote:
In post 13, Keyser Söze wrote:Anyone played this setup before?

I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?

And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.


please Please townread me

This was a page one question intended to be answered before we enter serious/non-RVS gameplay.

You shouldn’t see it as an attempt to look ‘townie’: it’s as non-alignment indicative as say a player asking if there is scum day chat - why are you being lazy/shortsighted?

it's not about whether or not sesq thinks that that question is AI or not - it would be about sesq thinking that you think that that question is likely to get you townread. i feel like your question misses the point.

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Post Post #28  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 3:59 am

Why would I think that question is alignment indicative and that it would win me town cred?

In what universe do I win town points via those ‘LAMIST’ questions?

I’m not missing the point, I’m struggling to see how sesq is reaching for that scum-narrative.

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Post Post #29  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:00 am

even if you take the position of not liking people townreading you for just doing math, wouldn't it make more sense to you to not make that comment right away and wait and see if someone does townread you for the math, to potentially scumhunt off of it? unless you think that it couldn't be AI, in which case i would ask again - why would you care about people (theoretically) being correct in townreading you but for the wrong reasons?

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Post Post #30  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:02 am

In post 28, Keyser Söze wrote:Why would I think that question is alignment indicative and that it would win me town cred?

there's no way i could possibly answer this question - it would come down to your own thoughts on the playerlist and whether or not you would think it would be townread, or just your thoughts on scum philosophy in general. i can't read your mind.

In what universe do I win town points via those ‘LAMIST’ questions?

I’m not missing the point, I’m struggling to see how sesq is reaching for that scum-narrative.

it's not so far outside the realm of possibility - i've seen plenty of comments of "he's getting us out of RVS, decently towny, don't see why scum does that, etc etc" before.

i don't think it's that far of a logical stretch to see a post like yours and say that it's just a reach for town cred. i'm not necessarily agreeing with it - i'm just saying that it's not really unreasonable. can you at least agree that it's a valid thought process to have?

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Post Post #31  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:05 am

Are you saying GNB is suspiciously being overly-conscious about being t/read for a townie?

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Post Post #32  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:08 am

“can you at least agree that it's a valid thought process to have?”

Northsidegal - I’ve already stated it was a lazy and shortsighted opinion to have. Unsure of the word “valid” though.

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Post Post #33  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:09 am

I think it is invalid and will stop talking about it.

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Post Post #34  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:15 am

In post 31, Keyser Söze wrote:Are you saying GNB is suspiciously being overly-conscious about being t/read for a townie?

something like that. it just rings kind of fake to me.

In post 32, Keyser Söze wrote:“can you at least agree that it's a valid thought process to have?”

Northsidegal - I’ve already stated it was a lazy and shortsighted opinion to have. Unsure of the word “valid” though.

meh. i guess i don't really disagree, although i still think that what you said in misses the point.

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Post Post #35  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 4:23 am

In post 31, Keyser Söze wrote:Are you saying GNB is suspiciously being overly-conscious about being t/read for a townie?

Did you answer the question NSG?

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Post Post #36  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:00 am

what? i thought i was pretty clear, although looking now i guess i was less verbose than i had thought. yes, his thought process doesn't make sense to me as a real one, which would naturally imply that it's something made up - hence my saying it "rings kind of fake".

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Post Post #37  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 5:09 am

Sorry, miss-read your post x

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Post Post #38  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:08 am

Votecount 1.01

2 718281828459 (2) - Keyser Söze , Poseidon
Irrelephant11 (2) - Ausuka , 2 718281828459
GameNBurger (1) - volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Sesq
Dunnstral (1) - Irrelephant11

Not voting: Dunnstral, GameNBurger, Kop, northsidegal, Reundo

The deadline for Day 1 is 1:52 pm CT on Tuesday, September 4, in (expired on 2018-09-04 14:51:53).

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Post Post #39  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:21 am

Wow yay a townread (nsg)
Hypoclaiming is not what Burger thinks it is. Hypoclaiming is having every player say "If I got a guilty on someone last night, it was ____" or something to that effect.
Then, if and when the watcher flips from a NK, we have some idea of their previous night results. The problem with this is that most players will forget to actually act like they got the guilty they said they got. Also, with watcher, it's rare to get any result, so it's hard to hypoclaim "no result".
On the other hand, most of these are only problems because they make the watcher a clearer NK target. Since everyone is a backup, this isn't as big a deal (though it still matters because we lose one night of watching if scum NKs watcher)

Pretty sure the answer is "no hypoclaiming". If you get a guilty, drop that player down in your reads or start to tunnel them or just say you got a guilty, honestly. Lynching scum is worth losing one night of Watching, imo.

@Sesq or @Keyser have you played together before?

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Post Post #40  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:35 am

I don’t think we have played a game together.

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Post Post #41  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:44 am

Oh okay 'cause originally I thought Sesq was just asking you to "please please townread me" in a genuine way
I see now what was meant

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Post Post #42  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:44 am

In post 40, Keyser Söze wrote:I don’t think we have played a game together.

Irrelephant11, do you have an early teammate suspicion brewing... between me and cesq?

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Post Post #43  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:45 am

In post 41, Irrelephant11 wrote:Oh okay 'cause originally I thought Sesq was just asking you to "please please townread me" in a genuine way
I see now what was meant

Ah yes, that could be what he meant and I’ve overreacted over the whole thing :giggle:

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Post Post #44  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:51 am

In post 39, Irrelephant11 wrote:Wow yay a townread (nsg)

Well you could say she’s alot more talkative here compared to our last game :lol:

Open/expressive vibes are present so far.

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Post Post #45  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 8:59 am

Keyser why ask about what to do with lurkers?

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Post Post #46  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:05 am

In post 25, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 16, Sesq wrote:
In post 13, Keyser Söze wrote:Anyone played this setup before?

I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?

And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.


please Please townread me

This was a page one question intended to be answered before we enter serious/non-RVS gameplay.

You shouldn’t see it as an attempt to look ‘townie’: it’s as non-alignment indicative as say a player asking if there is scum day chat - why are you being lazy/shortsighted?


What? Asking if there's scum day chat would be an entirely useless question since you can just skim through the role PMs and find the answer yourself. That would actually lean more scum imo since it would seem like a pretty shitty attempt at a dumb-tell. I don't think it would be too unreasonable for someone to town-read you for trying to strike up conversation, or to think it's just a facade by that same reasoning.

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Post Post #47  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:05 am

I want a rough agreement before we begin that all lurkers (who are harmful to town, regardless of alignment) should be replaced with active players.

Given the setup we have no cops, and catching scum with the watcher is very difficult... I think we’ll be finding scum the ol’ traditional way through analysing posts/interactions/votes.

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Post Post #48  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:09 am

In post 46, Reundo wrote:
In post 25, Keyser Söze wrote:
In post 16, Sesq wrote:
In post 13, Keyser Söze wrote:Anyone played this setup before?

I.e what’s the best way to play it... does hypoclaiming help town or scum?

And while we’re all saying hello, what are your opinions on how to deal with lurkers.


please Please townread me

This was a page one question intended to be answered before we enter serious/non-RVS gameplay.

You shouldn’t see it as an attempt to look ‘townie’: it’s as non-alignment indicative as say a player asking if there is scum day chat - why are you being lazy/shortsighted?


What? Asking if there's scum day chat would be an entirely useless question since you can just skim through the role PMs and find the answer yourself. That would actually lean more scum imo since it would seem like a pretty shitty attempt at a dumb-tell. I don't think it would be too unreasonable for someone to town-read you for trying to strike up conversation, or to think it's just a facade by that same reasoning.

I forgot we’re in an Open game obviously.

I should have given a different example.

I don’t wanna discuss whether my early question was alignment indicative anymore though, why are you getting so excited over it? Do you have any charged feelings over anything else?

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Post Post #49  (ISO)  » Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:12 am

That’s your first post...?

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