Open 739: Epic Duel [Game Over]

[Shoshin]

I'm probably gonna duel Radiant for the giggles.

[Walt]

Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus

Pedit: @io

[Shoshin]

VOTE: Walt

[ejjinami]

I mean, really I don't think the duels do anything.

It just makes the game go by faster because it makes it double lynch nightless.

Duel is literally just another lynch as it's the exact same mechanic.

I don't think the duel mechanics should be used early in the game, because it brings town more harm than good.
Like, there's no need to rush to get the additional day lynch, because scum aren't able to kill at night anyways
so we can just take our time and not worry about all of that

and even though people might think that they've got solid reads early in the game, all of that usually ends in everyone changing them later anyways
so forcing people to vote among 2 people early in the game is illogical.

It might make sense, late in the game, if scum get near majority, but doing it early on is just not needed

[Shoshin]

I'm going to assume that anyone who starts a duel on D1 is scum, unless it's RC, in which case he's confirmed town.

[Shoshin]

Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?

[Io]

Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus

Pedit: @io

And?

It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.

[Io]

I mean, really I don't think the duels do anything.

It just makes the game go by faster because it makes it double lynch nightless.

Duel is literally just another lynch as it's the exact same mechanic.

I don't think the duel mechanics should be used early in the game, because it brings town more harm than good.
Like, there's no need to rush to get the additional day lynch, because scum aren't able to kill at night anyways
so we can just take our time and not worry about all of that

and even though people might think that they've got solid reads early in the game, all of that usually ends in everyone changing them later anyways
so forcing people to vote among 2 people early in the game is illogical.

It might make sense, late in the game, if scum get near majority, but doing it early on is just not needed

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

[Shoshin]

Hey Io, join me on Walt!

[AnonymousGhost]

Out in the Wild Wild West, there was a rivalry.

Now this rivalry was nothing like the one between the Pirates and the Ninjas. Nah, this rivalry was between the Gunslingers and the Sharpshooters. Crazy right? To folks like you and I, maybe. To them? It's very serious.

Now sit down, shut up, and pull out your note book! There's gonna be a quiz afterwards - or is it afterwords? whatever! that's not important! - , so suck it up buttercups.

Vote Count 1.1

XxdarkfrostxX: Io
RadiantCowbells:
Nicholas Cage:
Wh4t: BuJaber, Walt
Shoshin: ejjinami
BuJaber:
Io: Garmr, RadiantCowbells
Walt: Nicholas Cage, Shoshin
Garmr:
ejjinami:

Not Voting: XxdarkfrostxX, Wh4t

Plurality Lynch Mechanic In Play: the player with the most votes by the end of the day will be lynched. If there is no lynch by the time the clock runs down, the Sharpshooters are given the opportunity to kill any player of their choosing.

Deadline: (expired on 2018-10-11 10:23:50)

[Walt]

Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus

Pedit: @io

And?

It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.

Just saying it's not exactly the same because you can't back out. Seems a pretty big difference to me.

[Io]

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

[Io]

I defiantly don't think that dueling is an end of the world scenario.
But I'd only do it if I was confident someone was scum and they were not the top wagon.

[Walt]

Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?

Hey Io, join me on Walt!

Is this a wagon the new guy and see if he cracks thing?

[ejjinami]

Hey Ejji, help me lynch Walt?

why watt?

Except you're locked in to two wagons that aren't necessarily consensus

Pedit: @io

And?

It's still a second lynch. Although you have less choices it's still the same as a lynch.

Are your early reads perfect? Don’t you ever change them later on?
If yes, why rush things when you can’t even back out of it later? You’ll just end up in a situation where you (conf town from your pov) are in a duel with your previous SR, which is now a TR.
While the risk might be worth it late in the game, why rush it early on? Wouldn’t it be better to just wait a few days more just to get that chance to back out if sth unexpected happens?

[ejjinami]

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

[Io]

Are your early reads perfect? Don’t you ever change them later on?
If yes, why rush things when you can’t even back out of it later? You’ll just end up in a situation where you (conf town from your pov) are in a duel with your previous SR, which is now a TR.
While the risk might be worth it late in the game, why rush it early on? Wouldn’t it be better to just wait a few days more just to get that chance to back out if sth unexpected happens?

Yes, I am flawless. No I do not change reads unless I'm a Cop.
Why rush things? Because last time I decided to make compromises and let someone I was confident scum not hang they survived to the end and scum won.
But yeah no. If you're confident someone is scum you'd be stupid to let them live and not try to lynch them, duel them, or make a case on them.

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

Not really since duels add time almost equal to a whole day anyways.

[ejjinami]

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

[Io]

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

Well it's mostly a thing for when there are only 2 scum left.
If we come to a consensus "Player X duel player Y" then if they are both scum they will not duel each other because scum would instantly lose by default.
Therefor it can be used as a sort of Parity Cop where we know if both refuse to duel then they both have to be scum but otherwise if they agree we know at least 1 is town.

[Io]

It's mostly just an idea though.
It is pretty flimsy and does not actually yield anything concrete usually.
I'd only really consider it in a 2v3 (TvS) scenario.

[ejjinami]

Yes, I am flawless. No I do not change reads unless I'm a Cop.
Why rush things? Because last time I decided to make compromises and let someone I was confident scum not hang they survived to the end and scum won.
But yeah no. If you're confident someone is scum you'd be stupid to let them live and not try to lynch them, duel them, or make a case on them.

I'm just saying I don't think it changes anything.

Lynching 4 people is the same as dueling 2 players and lynching 2 only it's day 3 instead of day 5.

it being day 3 instead of day 5 makes a big difference imo

Not really since duels add time almost equal to a whole day anyways.

but you can't back out of it
it's good late game, because of the rising scum influence, but early in the game it's just unneeded
jeez, that's what I was talking about the whole time

i guess it would be hard to convince someone with a really confident read,
but...
if most of the players in the game are town...
and they think your read is weak..........
and the game is in its early stages, so you'll have a lot of time to observe your target and see if it's you or them who is being stupid...
...........

sigh, I mean, it obviously doesn't apply to people with an obvious meta and stuff like that

but idk, I guess it depends on experience :/ I don't think I'll be dueling anyone early on anyways.
Perhaps later in the game, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

[ejjinami]

Guess it's a perspective thing.
Also kind of depends on how you use the duels.
We could always for example as a majority force 2 players we think are scum to duel each other.

wait, actually, that's an interesting idea :I
idk how would it work, but you've got my attention

Well it's mostly a thing for when there are only 2 scum left.
If we come to a consensus "Player X duel player Y" then if they are both scum they will not duel each other because scum would instantly lose by default.
Therefor it can be used as a sort of Parity Cop where we know if both refuse to duel then they both have to be scum but otherwise if they agree we know at least 1 is town.

whoa :O that's kinda cool

[Io]

I don't know why people act like not being able to back down is a bad thing.
This is the wild west not flag football. Step up and have some confidence in your reads.

[ejjinami]

I don't know why people act like not being able to back down is a bad thing.
This is the wild west not flag football. Step up and have some confidence in your reads.

and die miserably later on

idk, it might be just me. I generally tend to get paranoid about every single read when I get to lynching them
I mean, there are exceptions, but they don't happen very often

[Nicholas Cage]

@Mod, me and sho are voting Walt, not wh4t