Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[northsidegal]

Votecount 1.9

Target	Wagon
BBMolla (2)	BBMolla (119), Micc (134)
Micc (2)	PenguinPower (10), Creature (143)
Dannflor (2)	Draco Lucky (82), Vedith (211)
0verki11 (2)	xwing (207), Dannflor (214)
xwing (1)	Dr Worm (109)
Not Voting (2)	0verki11, DoubtingThomas

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-02-19 21:35:59).

Prodding DoubtingThomas.

[xwing]

Don't get me wrong. I don't think a vote on Overkill is bad.
And i would lynch the slot over keeping with what I have.

I really didn't like Danns response to me though and I feel he was intentially mis reading what I was saying.

okay, i'll bear this in mind..
i've played a couple of games with dann and i've always called him strong!town in those, so im trying to be wary of being pocketed by him..getting "sheeped " twice might also be indicative of him trying to pocket me (?) so im trying to be on guard, but so far so good..i do find it a bit hard to get stronger than null reads on most though, that's weird..

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Overkill

Dan seems townish, Vedith seems townish

[xwing]

how so?

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Danflor

[Dannflor]

I really didn't like Danns response to me though and I feel he was intentially mis reading what I was saying.

I honestly misread it and I think I've mentioned before I just have a hard time parsing your posts in general, probably just style differences

I thought you were painting me and xwing as buddies but you actually meant only one of us is scum in your mind, yea? If one of us flips red does that clear the other?

In response to your Overkill point, I think scum has a lot to gain by pushing big empty posts. The question is how well they are put together/if they can get away with it. Overkill's attempt wasn't very good but I think it combined with his early posting (especially rallying against a policy lynch like 3 separate times) comes from scum weakly trying to look town instead of town just being useless imo

Also, at risk of xwing suspecting me of pocketing them, their paranoia about me potentially pocketing them is a pretty town instinct imo

[BBmolla]

how so?

Reactions to my actions

[xwing]

what do you think of micc's argument against your reaction test? you find it AI?
how was dann and vedith's reactions townie compared to others? (e.g. me and micc, from the top of my head..not sure if there were others who voted)

[xwing]

im still not convinced of scum!dann..his points on overkill is exactly what im thinking..im just trying to see both sides of the coin as i dont want to get pocketed, but im still not seeing scum!dann..even his response to dr.worm on why he unvoted was exactly the same reason i had (and i didnt share this info so i cant say that dann copied me)..

[Micc]

I'm annoyed that this bbmolla wagon has fallen apart.

[Micc]

Can someone sell me on the Dannflor wagon? I think I like it but am having a hard time putting words to why.

[Draco Lucky]

Can someone sell me on the Dannflor wagon? I think I like it but am having a hard time putting words to why.

Nah.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: OverKill

I took a day off and reread the thread. I was confbiasing on Dann and U2 talked me out of it. There is a lot of LAMIST coming from OK with basically no reasoning for any of the few stances they have taken.

Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.

-Slaxx

[Draco Lucky]

Slaxx and I finally got a chance to compare reads this evening for a couple minutes, so here's where we're at. Apparently I'm in a verbose mood this evening, so I spoiled this monster for your convenience.

Spoiler: Town Reads

Town, in no particular order:
Xwing - Slaxx is reading Xwing town. I've got Xwing as a light town read, but I haven't seen anything super indicative here yet. That read augments a sheep of slaxx on this slot because of his experience with Xwing

Creature - Apparently creature is an easy read, but I don't know the tell yet. Slaxx has creature town.

Micc - We are both reading Micc as town. I shared his reaction in 62. I think his BBmolla is both reasonable and well within an average town range. His read on creature probably makes sense from either alignment if creature is considered an easy read. Slight concern that the town read on us is a pocket attempt given the lack of reasons for either town read. Lynch pool is people playing - let's call it whimsically - and Dannflor which could be a cop out but also isn't a terrible world view given both D1 play and the nature of the setup incentivizing mechanical sorting of non straight forward reads. And I can't argue with his null reads at the time 186 was written, plus the reasoning seems fine in 204.

Vedith - I'm townreading Vedith and Slaxx is null on him. He's a.. whimsical player but I town read his turn around during the setup spec discussion. I town read his reaction test laden play slightly. I town read 208, 211, 220 and 222 Basically every post where he's playing with a more serious demeanor I town read.

Dr. Worm - we both read dr. worm as town. I like 196 and for correcting me on his PP read in 163. I wouldn't take this read to the bank right now, but I do believe that Dr Worm is posting AI-content in spite of his play style and will only become more readable with time.

Spoiler: Dissonance Reads

Dissonance Reads:
We disagree on BBMolla. I see a lot of his play being personality-indicative rather than AI, including his self-vote. (self esteem issues? jk <3 ) That said, I think his entire game so far is within an average scum range when personality is taken into account. This isn't a strong read because I don't think anything is necessarily outside of his town range, but I think this play probably comes from scum!molla more often than it comes from town!molla.
Slaxx disagrees, tho, and has BBmolla as a town read.

Spoiler: Scum Reads

Scum:
0verki11 is the scummiest person in the game right now. Others have shied away from calling his underwhelming wall post scummy, but it's reaally scummy. Announce a wall post and then spend the majority of it on setup spec is pretty meh to begin with. Saying that he's doing it for himself like he's doing his make-up (nothing wrong with that) and then doing it is even worse. And his reasoning for how it was a reminder felt fabricated. That post and his response to me in 172 and 218 are the entirety of the content from this slot. Slaxx agrees this slot is scummy.

PP - Slaxx thinks PP's iso is terrible. I don't see anything that looks like game solving or is in another way town-indicative. And I don't like the evasiveness around my questions.

DT - We're here by POE, lol

Spoiler: Null Reads

Null:
Dannflor: I pushed in our pt, and slaxx is coming around to Dannflor's more recent posts being townie. Slaxx thinks he is overexplaining, but that paper in GD suggests that long sentence structure is town-indicative, and man has some long sentences. Especially if one were to connect sentences that start with "but" to the prior sentence that it really should be a part of. E.g, 176. I feel like an asshole even bringing up this read... but stats. And yes, I know, 176 is a TWTBAW argument, but I think he's like halfway down the path to my read, which is that a lot of molla's play is personality-indicative. We're clearly conflicted about this slot rn.

p.edit guess i don't need to do the vote ;P

[Draco Lucky]

-U2

[Micc]

Firstly, I dont know if this has been addressed, but under no circumstances do we give someone a target to check if they flip town, mafia will just kill them if they are town.

How strongly do you feel about this and why?

Also, draco posts incentivized me to look back on penguin's iso. I agree its not great. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt for what seemed like a reasonable bit of pressure on me. Then again I was never really convinced the vote was serious so what kind of pressure is that really?

[0verki11]

Firstly, I dont know if this has been addressed, but under no circumstances do we give someone a target to check if they flip town, mafia will just kill them if they are town.

How strongly do you feel about this and why?

Also, draco posts incentivized me to look back on penguin's iso. I agree its not great. I was giving him the benefit of the doubt for what seemed like a reasonable bit of pressure on me. Then again I was never really convinced the vote was serious so what kind of pressure is that really?

Really strongly, its a waste when all it does is just give mafia a target and a waste of a check.

[0verki11]

@vedith: why is bb town for you?

Because I believe when he was L2 scum were on him using poor reason to justify a vote.
Scum are more likely to be aware of all posts in that sense too. Town!molla has less reason to care.

Keep in mind, scum lose out more for focusing town hard in this game, but really want to look town.

Molla votes
Worm votes
both RVS

You vote while making main focus point to your answers.

Dann votes and pushes the focus on being because of what you say.

Micc votes with high focus.

This suggests scum is most likely Dann followed by you.

Could argue that appearing overly townie is this game could result in a pre LYLO check out of paranoia. Not always true, but powerwolfing in this setup could end badly.

[Vedith]

Could argue that appearing overly townie is this game could result in a pre LYLO check out of paranoia. Not always true, but powerwolfing in this setup could end badly

True. But less likely.

[BBmolla]

VOTE: Micc

[PenguinPower]

Oh, no...my ISO is horrible.

[PenguinPower]

Also, there's one really bad vote over the past page or two that indicates a possible buddy. But we will let that stew for a bit.

This is an incredibly dumb statement.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Micc

[PenguinPower]

Hmm....

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Overkill

This is better for now.

[northsidegal]

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