Open 765: Haunted Village (Over)

[Beta Sapphire]

That all makes sense.

The result of the vork vote is that you’re now probably my strongest TR, which is wonderful.

-M

[Beta Sapphire]

Solid pagetop there

[Beta Sapphire]

Anyway, reasons: we actually think vork has good scum equity in our PT, we just prefer RCE. I think voting him like that when he’s someone who has good chances of being scum (power scumming, which I’ve heard is something he’s capable of) and at a point in the day when things were majorly stagnating is I think very towny. If vork were to flip green then fake-PP red I would be more worried. But rn I can’t see (as you mentioned) any scum motivation in your vote there.

-M

[Beta Sapphire]

So working from there: what’s your RCE read?

-M

[tris]

well, i'm off. I won't be around for deadline.

[Beta Sapphire]

Tris wanna do me a favour and park on RCE instead of fake-PP if you’re not gonna be here

-M

[tris]

sorry, i still think it's fake-PP

[Platinum Phoenix]

"Sorry, i don't want to vote my partner"

[Platinum Phoenix]

Also UiT I understand why you're so pissed at the ben slot but voting it today won't do anything.

[Beta Sapphire]

Okay let’s do RCE and if it’s a red flip tris seems like a good bet

-M

[Platinum Phoenix]

also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability

and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure

given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore

Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.

I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."

VOTE: Plat

This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.

[Platinum Phoenix]

yeah i'd prefer RCE too Menalque but like, it's possible we might have to compromise on tris

and i also don't think the odds are bad for tris scum

[Beta Sapphire]

I don’t see why we can’t get RCE through? There’s time

-M

[Platinum Phoenix]

i think we can - but there's a sad possibility we might not.

[Platinum Phoenix]

um

type VOTE: rce and townclaim today

[RCEnigma]

also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability

and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure

given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore

Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.

I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."

VOTE: Plat

This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.

Break it down for me then.

[Unstuck in Time]

Also UiT I understand why you're so pissed at the ben slot but voting it today won't do anything.

We will move the vote. I just want to make sure I'm on the same page as my partner with the vote.

BP

[Platinum Phoenix]

you do realize what you said sounds exactly like what he said?

meaning (if you're town) - people are getting inside your head?

which makes you a prime mislynch candidate after me?

althought, uit, your refusal to think for yourself recently has been bad.

norwegian's willingness to re-evaluate is pretty obviously town.

benhalkum, what concerns you about the interaction?

also, when scum tries to fake a change, they are really conscious of if it feels too sudden.

townies often do those really sudden 180s and they are usually the ones who do it - because sometimes it really does take just that.

it feels like norwegian is being set up to look bad, and id appreciate whoever's town stop doing that

TL my understanding is that you're town but you're in a really dumb mindset.

As for anything relevant to add, I still don't have anything concrete.

You don't have to be confident. Do you have any gut feelings about anyone?

Platinum Phoenix and RCEnigma stick out to me. Feel though as if I vote for PP, then I'll just be jumped on for "bandwaggoning" while RCEnigma I have nothing other than his post seem to be more along the side of deflection.

This is very wishy-washy and non committal in an opportunistic way.

VOTE: Platinum Phoenix

His back and forward with Nor was enough to make me feel ok with voting for him. At this point, I'm thinking both are scum and all of that was to try and get us to not be comfortable voting.

let's play your game.

what was the benefit of norwegian bandwagoning me that early and then pulling out a 180 and townreading me?

how would that make people uncomfortable voting us?

do you seriously believe neither of us could make it look smoother/get it to townread me more?

i think norwegian's posting is obviously not agenda-y.

and an agenda of "hey stop shitreading me" is not a scum agenda.

the fact norwegian was willing to work in good faith with me when the townies shitpushing this gamestate refuse to actually read my slot with good faith doesn't mean that you get to shitread norwegian and think his progression was too fast.

the burden of proof was always on you - but i'll play your game.

my tone was "hey - why r u doing this bad thing" and later, "ty for being good"

[Vorkuta]

Also, I do have reasons for voting Vorkuta, as should be obvious no matter my alignment,

I mechanically cannot give you fruit in this game, no matter how much I want to

and townclaim today

Bigger font = more townpoints?

Anyway- my 2 cents is that he'll activate in a day or so and I temporarily object to a vote on him upon a reread of his ISO.
I invoke S_S's reasoning and won't explain why for now.

Lynch preference

fake-PP (keeping this slot alive...) > NaCl (reasons ^) > ben & tris (2 very quiet slots that are difficult to read and engage with on occassion- Lylo liability IMHO) > & Norskee (I can see him being dishonest but part of me wants to stop bullying a newbie) >,,,, Don't touch my town reads

[Platinum Phoenix]

also - i think, looking back, what happened was that town decided to wagon my slot for its general unreadability

and as soon as that was fixed scum (tris and RCE) have been trying to re-apply pressure

given that this slot is now mostly solo-me and, well, im chennis, this slot should not be hard to read anymore

Initially, I'd agree with this. I mostly got on because you were an awkward slot and there was a meaningful wagon to be had.

I have you the openings to engage with me in a way that showed to me you're town and instead you turned around and shaded me the entire day. You had a decent interaction with Norwegian I kind of liked your reasoning on your read there but in isolation it's not enough to not not win my vote when you're calling me scum for trying to get you to towntell. Instead of going "Cmon guys I'm towntelling."

VOTE: Plat

This is completely a misrepresentation of everything that I've done.

Break it down for me then.

also, openly calling you scum is

shading

since when?

[Platinum Phoenix]

Anyway, reasons: we actually think vork has good scum equity in our PT, we just prefer RCE. I think voting him like that when he’s someone who has good chances of being scum (power scumming, which I’ve heard is something he’s capable of) and at a point in the day when things were majorly stagnating is I think very towny. If vork were to flip green then fake-PP red I would be more worried. But rn I can’t see (as you mentioned) any scum motivation in your vote there.

-M

yeah, i understand your point now

[Vorkuta]

@S_S- you've been in the exact games w/ me.
Is this a fair assessment?

Spoiler:

Right what else can I come up with.
I have a slight issue with RCE not really taking a "controlling" or active/solvey role in the game as I remember him doing in Jazz, but his behavior is kinda similar to Musicals/NK2058/EICN so I'll let him of the hook for today.

[Vorkuta]

Also is RCE the hail mary counterwagon for the scum team?
Perfectly timed to be close enough to the deadline to make people sweat, but not be a fullblown CFD?

Vork you've played enough games to know that scum let's this wagon reach deadline or L-1 whichever comes first. Faux PP claims and someone goes "shit let's get this guy instead." (Probably a lurker) then we come back day 2 with the shocked Pikachu look.

[Platinum Phoenix]

vorkuta, your read is seriously so bad.

[Platinum Phoenix]

what do you not understand about the fact that pushing tris is easier?

what do you not understand about the fact that we don't have a bajillion scum and that TOWNIES are actually NOT BEING DUMB?