Open 770: Monty Hall Mafia (Game Over)


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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:54 pm

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Wow

We never had a chance

Good job scums
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:55 pm

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The monty hall information effect is super amplified in LyLo, so I think it's closer than it looks.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:55 pm

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I sweated lots of bullets
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:56 pm

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I was really mad worst lolhammered you nona mostly because I didn't think it was the best play but partially cause I wanted to play with you more
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:59 pm

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In post 6, Mathdino wrote:That sure is an alignment distribution.
hm wonder if Mathdino thinks I'm bad at scum
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:01 pm

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In post 628, popsofctown wrote:I was really mad worst lolhammered you nona mostly because I didn't think it was the best play but partially cause I wanted to play with you more
I really thought the wagon would end up somewhere else too, was kinda surprised by that.

You play scum well pops :)
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:03 pm

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ererugueruugehrhgh

sometimes I do
but I love town, i love playing town more and that's the side I want to be good at
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:06 pm

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I don't like this setup

I think increasing one players' chance of being scum isn't very fun, you're asking people to either vote against their gutreads or leave value on the table. I don't see how that's fun at all.

Monty Hall is a fun thought experiment... not an actual game design.
It's not the worst thing ever ever ever but I think so many setups are better.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:08 pm

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I designed an 8p that worstie is backup modding and I'm playing in, we talked about it in the discord. It's experimental hopefully it's not a brick also! But I think you do have to try setups like this to see if they're good, and this was definitely playable.

I've never played marked for death before so the public poison itself was interesting to me.
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:38 pm

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SALAMENCE WHY THE FUCK DID YOU DO THAT


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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:30 pm

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I loved this game but I'm also on the fence about the MH mechanic. That said my scum style is hitting the game with a hammer until it is dead so maybe this calls for more finesse. Who knows. :P

I think this makes for a nice marathon tbh like MFD being able to sway people's perceptions for a moment adds a lot you know? I think I coasted LP1 in part because I seemed to have been protected at face value.

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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:51 am

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I was right :/
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 1:53 am

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In my defense though I literally did not have time to read and PP said he’d vote me if I didn’t do anything by morning so I had to rush something out
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:20 am

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I said do something, not vote Duck with the same reasoning that you used previously to explain why you weren't voting Duck.

tbf I wasn't voting Duck first though because I still feel bad about mis-desperadoing him.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:26 am

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I knew I should have voted the duck, but Pengu said he was gonna vote Chemist and I was bored and Chemist wasn't doing anything.

When I'm bored I kill townies easier. It's an unfortunate condition.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:27 am

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Elsa Jay are you bored rn
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:28 am

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A little. Chemist made the ending boring.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:35 am

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Go join a game I am queued for if your bored :) :p

Chemist was a bit underwhelming but oh well. I hope he aces his final
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:40 am

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Oh yeah agreed - good luck with the finals, chemist!
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:36 am

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Sorry I flaked out guys. Legitimately thought I'd declared V/LA, but I was in the middle of a snowstorm when I got the prod.

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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:54 am

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No worries, Bingle. Goat won.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:10 pm

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In post 632, popsofctown wrote:I don't like this setup

I think increasing one players' chance of being scum isn't very fun, you're asking people to either vote against their gutreads or leave value on the table. I don't see how that's fun at all.

Monty Hall is a fun thought experiment... not an actual game design.
It's not the worst thing ever ever ever but I think so many setups are better.
In post 635, the worst wrote:I loved this game but I'm also on the fence about the MH mechanic. That said my scum style is hitting the game with a hammer until it is dead so maybe this calls for more finesse. Who knows. :P

I think this makes for a nice marathon tbh like MFD being able to sway people's perceptions for a moment adds a lot you know? I think I coasted LP1 in part because I seemed to have been protected at face value.

Great modding as always, Ausuka!
I think it's an odd setup in that you should definitely just random gut choose the first protect, but subsequent protects are almost more important than the lynches themselves. I also think it might be more fun as a longer game where you have more time to try to narrow things down. I wouldn't judge the setup on this run either way because there was a LOT of replacing tainting the well, so to speak.
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:00 pm

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Yeah my opinion is based more on theory than this run
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:55 pm

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If you use math again in the future pops you shall be slain. That's all I learned this game.
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:40 pm

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You're gonna be murdering pops a LOT.
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