Open 770: Fusion Mafia - Game Over!

[popsofctown]

It is unfortunately necessary for the transparency of my read progression to say things like this at times. Mafia is a sandpapery game, this is definitely attack the play not the player, etc. Sorry not sorry (but like, two more sorries, I would prefer I universe that I didn't feel obligated to play this way sometimes. But an additional not sorry).

[Elements]

VOTE: norway

[Elements]

I'm still not a fan of profii
all his posts rub me the wrong way

[profii]

It is unfortunately necessary for the transparency of my read progression to say things like this at times. Mafia is a sandpapery game, this is definitely attack the play not the player, etc. Sorry not sorry (but like, two more sorries, I would prefer I universe that I didn't feel obligated to play this way sometimes. But an additional not sorry).

I dont take it personally but I found that post awful because you didn't give a reason as to why my takes are bad

(See how I said your post was awful and then said why... that's what helps the game imo)

[popsofctown]

No one was hard defending Dunnstral wagon. It was such an easy mislynch to push with low culpability. We know that tons of people on the Norway wagon are confirmed town and part of the reason it has less momentum today is an onwagon kill. It's just not the Occam's razor position at all that Dunnstral was a towndriven wagon.

Virtually everyone was on either of those two wagons, so that's virtually synonymous with determining Norwee was the towndriven wagon.

I'd wager even if both Dunnstral and Norwee were town, the Dunnstral wagon was still the more scumdriven one.

[profii]

Anyway i think

VOTE: hectic

Is the way

He pushes norway
He says the whole other wagon is town so I predict 1 = scum
He also is concerned with the pairing a bit too much

For me, I figure when I get a lover, i get a free IC so... who care who it is... its just a bonus... hectic is concerned with being paired to me which feels like he is just trying to plan the long term sequence of events

Town thinking should just be to find scum #1 and go from there imo

[profii]

I overlooked Looker being a non-voter. I missed that. Hmm

[NorwegianboyEE]

Agreed on Hectic.
VOTE: Hectic

[popsofctown]

Norwee you're not really helping me see you as town

[Hectic]

Anyway i think

VOTE: hectic

Is the way

He pushes norway
He says the whole other wagon is town so I predict 1 = scum
He also is concerned with the pairing a bit too much

For me, I figure when I get a lover, i get a free IC so... who care who it is... its just a bonus... hectic is concerned with being paired to me which feels like he is just trying to plan the long term sequence of events

Town thinking should just be to find scum #1 and go from there imo

Context was different there. I was imagining the hypothetical where Pissy is scum and gets lynched for me claiming he's my partner. Then what poor sucker gets paired with me to get dragged down tomorrow. It meant nothing for scumreads or planning lul.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwee you're not really helping me see you as town

I don’t really care about making you see me as town. Just finding the scum.

[popsofctown]

So if we mislynch you today and realize how wrong we were, you want us to lynch Hectic?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Duh.

[popsofctown]

You seemed more protown when I skimmed haunted village

[Hectic]

I'm really hesitant on the Norway Wagon, just because of the way Profii tried to force a wagon on the person. I'm just so pinged by the move. I wanna hear more from Profii.

What do you think of the Norwee wagon now?

[Hectic]

I'm struggling to see how this is coming from town!you, Norwee. You had so much fight in you and went down mad in the Large game we played recently. And I still don't really get your flip on me, many were scumreading you yesterday, I just happened to be the first voting you today, and it feels like you grasped onto that as a reason to flip your read on me, because you see me as a viable mislynch today.

[Looker]

Votecount Impromptu

(4) NorwegianboyEE

- (Hectic, Hopkirk, Popsofctown, Elements)

(3) Hectic

- (NorwegianboyEE, Profii, Flopz)

(2) Profii

- (Pisskop, Looker)

GeorgeBailey and

Ofhrz

are not voting.

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Who the fuck is ofhrz

@Hopkirk/Flopz/Pisskop

: How likely do you feel it is that Profii and NorwegianboyEE are trying to buss Hectic?

[Hectic]

@Flopz:

If you believe Norwee is obvious scum and more likely to be scum over me, could you vote him please?

Lynching your number 1 scumread:
+Higher chance of flipping scum.
+If scum, examine pairings the next day to see if your no 2 scumread is correct.
-Can't gambit instawin if you're extremely confident about both scumreads.

Lynching your number 2 scumread:
-Lower chance of flipping scum.
-If town, probably gonna lynch your number 1 scumread the next day anyway.
+Can gambit instawin if you're extremely confident about both.

Hope this makes sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm struggling to see how this is coming from town!you, Norwee. You had so much fight in you and went down mad in the Large game we played recently. And I still don't really get your flip on me, many were scumreading you yesterday, I just happened to be the first voting you today, and it feels like you grasped onto that as a reason to flip your read on me, because you see me as a viable mislynch today.

Cute attempt at meta read. Obviously you must have been planning this outcome, i like how you’re pointing hands at my supposed "flip" when it is you that immediately began the day by calling me scum when just yesterday you were scumreading Dunn hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You seemed more protown when I skimmed haunted village

Don’t... ever... compare... my... play... to... haunted... village...

[Hectic]

I'm struggling to see how this is coming from town!you, Norwee. You had so much fight in you and went down mad in the Large game we played recently. And I still don't really get your flip on me, many were scumreading you yesterday, I just happened to be the first voting you today, and it feels like you grasped onto that as a reason to flip your read on me, because you see me as a viable mislynch today.

Cute attempt at meta read. Obviously you must have been planning this outcome, i like how you’re pointing hands at my supposed "flip" when it is you that immediately began the day by calling me scum when just yesterday you were scumreading Dunn hard.

Dunn flipped town; that's the important data point you're missing here, that makes me reconsider you who was counterwagoned by Dunns. What's wrong with the meta read, am I wrong?

[popsofctown]

You seemed more protown when I skimmed haunted village

Don’t... ever... compare... my... play... to... haunted... village...

You're playing differently here, compared to haunted village

[Looker]

@Flopz:

If you believe Norwee is obvious scum and more likely to be scum over me, could you vote him please?

Lynching your number 1 scumread:
+Higher chance of flipping scum.
+If scum, examine pairings the next day to see if your no 2 scumread is correct.
-Can't gambit instawin if you're extremely confident about both scumreads.

Lynching your number 2 scumread:
-Lower chance of flipping scum.
-If town, probably gonna lynch your number 1 scumread the next day anyway.
+Can gambit instawin if you're extremely confident about both.

Hope this makes sense.

Did you see no reason to try and persuade profii and NorwegianboyEE? What are you reads on them/do you feel they're both scum and beyond persuasion attempts?

[popsofctown]

I think Looker is town

[Hectic]

We're going with lynch Norway then see who Hectic gets paired up with (cough profii) right?

Honestly, that's been my thought throughout this whole nightphase. We lynch one of these jokers and then take out the romantic couple that remains. The question is do we go for Norwee or Hectic? Norwee is basically ObvScum at this point so makes sense for a lynch on him straight out of the gate but I'm leaning towards the idea of taking out Hectic and then lynching the 100% confirmed ScumCouple that Norwee is on. I'm thinking of this on the incredibly low chance that Hectic is Town, which I don't believe for a second, we can then lynch Norwee the subsequent night and the ScumCouple that's left will be pretty obvious from those remaining.

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I didn't like the reversal of Hectic and PK for the vote, right at the end. Profii came out of left-field and completely changed my view of him with the move from Norwee to Dunn.

^Flopz indicated earlier here that Norwee was obvscum to him, Looker.

Profii and Norwee are voting their no 1 scumread as far as I can tell, but I'm still trying to talk to them about that.