Open 785: Secrets of the Anuket Topaz [Game over!]

[Eevee]

YESSSSSSSS! Best flashwagon ever; the worst, you are the BEST!



Thank you NSG for modding, and S_S/A50 for playing so well!

P.S: Am sorry town I led us off track so so so many times, but I'm glad I got there in the end!

~Eva

[Eevee]

Extra sorrys to Ydrasse and Menalque....feelsbad.

I will pay for Ydrasse's therapy.

~Eva

[the worst]

Is anyone going to join me on Almost50?

Alright then.

I think the kind of audacity? of Freddie's push here is probably what opened the gates for the flashwagon.

Drunkduck definitely voted A50 but I'm not sure anyone had sat back and seriously just gone "Hmm. No. Monkey scum." until this point.

[Fredrick A Campbell]

Spoiler:

Frederick has consistently been right for the wrong reasons lol

Also that RCE trust tell is the same one that got Elements modkilled in Team Mafia :X

I am wondering if what you are considering wrong reasons actually work.

[Raven Branwen]

Yass! Menalque was so obtown and I caught A50!scum right out of the gate. It was so obvious with that “poor me” schtick. How did you guys ever think Snow was scum? She was as townie af.

[Menalque]

Raven, who were you?

[RCEnigma]

TW MVP. I wasn't voting from A50'S pocket.

[Menalque]

I actually agree with ducky that Fredrick deserves a lot of credit here. That was my impression from the dead thread — either one alone was unlikely to turn it around.

[Menalque]

I have mixed feelings about this game. I might go into it later if I’m in the mood. Overall I think town deserved the win, but only on the basis that I think A50 dropped off the face of the earth and got complacent on D4. I think based on D1-D3 scum prob deserved to win/played better.

Thank you for modding, NSG!

[RCEnigma]

Frederick was key as well. But I think that's more just his willingness to try everything. TW bit on it though. Also this is PFUP.

[Menalque]

I did see the irony of you bringing up that game as an example of me misreading you as scum for the same reasons as here while A50 was very hard at work pocketing you

[RCEnigma]

I think if we saw eye to eye at any point past day 1 then SS could have realistically been the day 2 or day 3 wagon. I still wasn't voting out of A50'S pocket.

I acknowledged it had to be A50 or Raya and I just wanted it to be Raya lol.

[RCEnigma]

I brought up how easy I was to pocket later with the FL example. Just tell me nice things about me.

[RCEnigma]

Are you scum once again, S_S?

I am not.

Sure. I haven't said anything indicative of my alignment yet.

Say it ain't so SS.

He indeed did not say anything indicative of his alignment.

[Menalque]

Montosh was a bad push in hindsight, I’m not sure why I was so wrong there, my inclination is that it was OMGUS skewing my reads which is the same thing happening with you by that point (although, I was at least easing on that when I decided to try to force you to engage with me, and like, might have come off it if that conversation hadn’t been cut short).

I probably should have stayed on S_S as the scummiest looking individual slot to me D2. I think I left him alone because everyone was talking about ydrasse or A50 (also not wrong) and so once I’d thought “mm, yeah, let’s go one of those two” I just... never really reconsidered that I didn’t actually have reasons for *stopping* SRing S_S, and montosh is where my attention redirected to.

[the worst]

Are you scum once again, S_S?

I am not.

Sure. I haven't said anything indicative of my alignment yet.

Say it ain't so SS.

He indeed did not say anything indicative of his alignment.

SS goodposting as always.

[Menalque]

That actually twigged me hard in Smuggler’s Port (running simultaneously to this) he responded to what was practically the same question like this:

Hi S_S

Is this yet another game where you’re going to fool me as scum?

I'm not going to fool you as scum...

Spoiler:

because I already HAVE fooled you! mwahahaha

*cough* sorry, what?

[Menalque]

I guess the frustrating things about this game was that I chose to play D2 and maybe I shouldn’t be salty when that was something I could have just... not done instead. I’m glad that I was pretty close to bang on for my logic of what scum were thinking about bussing/defending on D1 in the scum PT when I argued for one-off, one-on or double bus being more likely than a double defend. I’m glad I was right that my death was necessary for town to successfully re-evaluate. It was frustrating that that was *still* needed by D3 when I think I had done a lot of things by that point that I just wouldn’t have done as scum. Thinking I would required the belief that I have no idea how I’m perceived within the thread which is normally something I’m pretty hypersensitive to, even if I’m still wrong sometimes. So I feel like my miselim by the end was pretty much entirely based on a paranoia about my scumgame and a lack of willingness to engage with what I’d done on D2 and into D3 (despite me being wrong on D1).

[RCEnigma]

Ngl that paranoia was a big reason I pushed it hard on day 3. So fmpov if you live day 3 it's highly probable you don't escape that night for the same reasons A59 didn't escape. Then it's lylo with you (who has a strong tie with day 1 elimmed scum) that is hard to overlook.

Also I was not ready to lose to scum!menalque who would have been caught dead to rights and then we look back and think man we could have won the game by day 2 if we weren't a town of waffles.

[Raven Branwen]

Raven, who were you?

I wasn’t in this game just spectating. Also the real kicker was when he started hard shading super obvtown Raya for apparently having this great scumgame and invoking the presumed entire scumteam from said game wrt to her alleged amazing scum abilities. That was so over the top scummy. lmaoooo

[Raya36]

Raven, who were you?

I wasn’t in this game just spectating. Also the real kicker was when he started hard shading super obvtown Raya for apparently having this great scumgame and invoking the presumed entire scumteam from said game wrt to her alleged amazing scum abilities. That was so over the top scummy. lmaoooo

Not to mention I kinda suck as scum

[RCEnigma]

Tbf I've only ever heard praise for your scum game.

[Menalque]

I suppose I just think in most cases paranoia hurts more than it helps. Like for me to be scum this game I had to (1) consciously look terrible for trying to save my buddy while not fully committing on pushing the counter through (2) decide, after getting to a point where I was unlikely to be the D2 elim even if we did go on snow!wagon that I would draw attention to myself by saying “hey, err, actually I think they might both have been on mae” (3) after coming up with that stance as scum (maybe to justify pushing there D3 after someone else on snow!wagon was eliminated, so there’s still like a ~*vague*~ chance I might be scum) i then (4) fail to commit to it for the cred and come back to saying ahh fuck it let’s go on snow!wagon after all and finally (5) decide to build a big case on montosh for shits and gigs of getting him eliminated there, which I wouldn’t need to do or have an incentive to do — he’d be much better kept as a miselim for later on given how easily all the conftown ended up swinging onto him

And like, I suppose it would have depended on who my partner was, but actually I think I normally would escape? I don’t normally go for the big WIFOM plays as scum unless I really need to (even tho I may want to) and the risk-reward of people’s paranoia being too high to not kill scum!me on D4 would probably sway me into the solid move of just leaving, trying to antispew my partner and create bad associatives with a townie, and trusting my partner to get it done

Maybe we have different perspectives on who we’re willing to lose to? I’d always rather lose to active scum who may have done something daring and risky than to scum who just decide to coast out and hope town will guillotine the superficially bad looking people

[Menalque]

I wasn’t in this game just spectating.

That explains it, I was briefly so confused

[RCEnigma]

Ehh I think I view elimming lurk prone slots as policy lynching. Winning or losing when that's the scum makeup is underwhelming either way, makes me just....not want to play in the first place.