Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

[Ausuka]

So I did a meta check and determined Creature does not bus.

viewtopic.php?p=9409381#p9409381
viewtopic.php?p=9413200#p9413200
viewtopic.php?p=9447396#p9447396
viewtopic.php?p=9456708#p9456708
viewtopic.php?p=9466300#p946630
viewtopic.php?p=9541406#p9541406

All from my two scumgames with him.

You're wrong and possibly scum.

My sample size is greater, fak off with your "anyone who disagrees is scum" bs

I checked clash of the gods and those weren't hard busses
There was a push that was dropped before the wagon hit critical mass, a rnadom vote and drop, and a last-ditch distancing vote.

"There was a push that was dropped before the wagon hit critical mass"

yeah and meanwhile Creature was the second vote on implo

and this still doesn't prove Creature doesn't bus.

[Ausuka]

So I did a meta check and determined Creature does not bus.

viewtopic.php?p=9409381#p9409381
viewtopic.php?p=9413200#p9413200
viewtopic.php?p=9447396#p9447396
viewtopic.php?p=9456708#p9456708
viewtopic.php?p=9466300#p946630
viewtopic.php?p=9541406#p9541406

All from my two scumgames with him.

You're wrong and possibly scum.

My sample size is greater

That doesn't matter because you were saying that Creature doesn't bus. Even one or two links is enough to prove that this isn't true; Creature is willing to bus if he thinks it's optimal, just like most people. I don't understand why most people in this game think busses are such a rare thing.

fak off with your "anyone who disagrees is scum" bs

This is uncalled for.

Let me restate: Creature doesn't

hard

bus. And I don't get how me calling out you for calling me scum for disagreeing is "uncalled for".

No, you telling me to fuck off because I didn't agree with you was uncalled for. But I'm sure you already know that, right?

[Ausuka]

pedit: okay how would you have defended Imploson's posting Ausuka?

gut? tone?

[Ausuka]

BOTH HAD A NUETRAL STANCE ON IMPLOSION DAY 1 AND BOTH VOTED LUCA DAY 1. One of them is scum. We have 3 lynches left. So we need to lynch both of them within those 3 lynches.

YEAH AND GUESS WHO ELSE VOTED LUCA D1? TCHILL13

I'M AWARE OF HOW SCUMMY I LOOK.

How about you actually argue for yourself instead of throwing others under the bus. That kinda shows what you're trying to do anyway.

MY ONLY TOWN READS DAY 1 WERE LUCA AND IMPLOSION. THE ONLY READS I REMEMBER HAVING DAY 1 WERE ONLY THOSE TWO TOWN READS. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IMAGINE IF YOU READS THOSE TWO AS TOWN AND YOU'RE TOWN, WHAT DIFFREENCE DOES IT MAKE WHICH WAGON I'M ON.

You're saying I'm scummy for voting Luca. That was the response.

[Ausuka]

I'M NOT THIS TERRIBLE AS SCUM. Geez. I'm town that doesn't try day 1 because we never lynch scum day 1 and now that we did I'm in New territory. This is literally the most "obv" scum I've been since March 17, 2017.

If you think it's ausuka and me and you have more evidence for ausuka vote ausuka. I ask that we lynch ausuka or flavor today. That's it. I don't care which one.

Have why do you evne scumread flavor i think he cod be scum but Tchill is SO obvious like GOG (((( ;°Д°))))

pedit: well YEAH i think you and ausuka are both scum and everyone else is town it MAKES THE MOST SENSE (ಠ益ಠ)

I think Flavor is scum Mainly from a POE view. I think Tchill is town based on my ability to read him.
I think it’s Flavor and Ausuka. I’m good with lynching either of those today.

Like what I'm seeing here is a lot of Tchill/Ausuka and Flavor/Ausuka. Therefore it's best to lynch Ausuka to either get a consensus lynch on scum or if Ausuka flips town we all can re-analyse from there.

yeah and by that you mean when Ausuka flips town we can continue wagoning townies within hours while nothing changes.

[Ausuka]

You're response didn't justify it. You just shaded me. I'm not asking you to explain MY actions. I'm asking you to explain yours.

I have entire WALLS explaining why I scumread Luca d1! And nullreading implo is pretty self-explanatory. I'm not scum for nullreading a scum, that just isn't an argument that holds any water.

[Ausuka]

also I'm still not a he

[Ausuka]

pedit: okay how would you have defended Imploson's posting Ausuka?

gut? tone?

those are bad defenses though....... did implosion realy have a townie tone to you? i preposterise if he didnt then maybe he wouldnt be the day 1 lunch.... （’へ’）

Tone's completely subjective though. If I argue Implo's town looks town to me, you can't prove me wrong there.

[Ausuka]

AUSUKA, DID 2 SCUM BUS IMPLOSION?

How am I supposed to know? They definitely could have.

[Ausuka]

No. I think out of {Mumble, Gamma, Havo} there is at least 1 scum and I think it is Havo. I was trying to get Havo to show me why one of the other two is scum instead. I'm a bad player and I often get things wrong so I don't want to accidentally get into a tunnel.

I mean OKAY you can say whatever you want BUT form the context and by your tone I am still of the positive inclination that my comprehension was very certainly acura （￣へ￣）

then you're just wrong? the context and tone don't prove anything.

No you guys are taking my posts wildly out of context. They're not the only possible scumteams here, that's not what I was saying at all. Tchill first asked why I wasn't considering FL with tchill himself or with someone who was on Implo d1, and I responded by saying I had openly discussed the possibility of FL/Tchill and FL/Havo. Then Tchill said I shouldn't be voting Havo because he was in only 1 scumteam. I responded by giving 3 other very possible scumteams with Havo in them.

WOW..... this is SUCH a stretch I possess no repsonse.... (҂⌣̀_⌣́)

okay so YEAH all those teams are possible HOWEVER by this intrepidation you are REVEALING TO US that you dont relay care to differentiate betwene "posible" and "probable" so like yeah thats the point im making..... manyofyour TOP scumteams have havo in them so it dosentn make sense that you are pushing CRATURE off all people （；￣ェ￣）

I pushed Creature because I was thinking a wagon on him would get him to start posting, attacking the wagon. This is the case regardless of if I openly state that I don't want to lynch him or not.

plus dont froget that info lynches CAN CURRENLY CONCEAL THE CULPABLY CORRUPT CALCULATIONS of THE CRIMINAL MAFIA - so if your wondering HOW a tchill/ausuka team gets MISLYCNHES it's by pushing this STUTID """"""info lynches"""""" and then not PRESENTLY PROCESSESING the INFORMATION they ascertained ლ(ಠ益ಠლ

you WIN by LYNCHING SCUM not LYNCHING INFORMATION

Repeat after me, but slower this time;
Ausuka. Is. Not. Info. Lynching. Anyone.

ALSO REMBER that I read the day in context so like I know all of this happened it doesnt ALTER THE VERITABLE TRUTHS THAT I PERCEIEVE

Well yeah it does though.

I think you misunderstand. I don't want to lynch Creature. I want to wagon him.

there is NO POINT in wagonning someone if you haev no intenton to lynch them since because you dont genrate pressure (눈_ლ)

i mean how HIGH do you even have to BE???

Even if there's no pressure there's still responses.

[Ausuka]

I'M NOT THIS TERRIBLE AS SCUM. Geez. I'm town that doesn't try day 1 because we never lynch scum day 1 and now that we did I'm in New territory. This is literally the most "obv" scum I've been since March 17, 2017.

If you think it's ausuka and me and you have more evidence for ausuka vote ausuka. I ask that we lynch ausuka or flavor today. That's it. I don't care which one.

Have why do you evne scumread flavor i think he cod be scum but Tchill is SO obvious like GOG (((( ;°Д°))))

pedit: well YEAH i think you and ausuka are both scum and everyone else is town it MAKES THE MOST SENSE (ಠ益ಠ)

I think Flavor is scum Mainly from a POE view. I think Tchill is town based on my ability to read him.
I think it’s Flavor and Ausuka. I’m good with lynching either of those today.

Like what I'm seeing here is a lot of Tchill/Ausuka and Flavor/Ausuka. Therefore it's best to lynch Ausuka to either get a consensus lynch on scum or if Ausuka flips town we all can re-analyse from there.

yeah and by that you mean when Ausuka flips town we can continue wagoning townies within hours while nothing changes.

Nope. Begone with your misreps, I ain't having that shit

Whether you realise it or not, that's exactly what's going to happen.

[Ausuka]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you! Bussing is always a choice. If people think they can take the towncred they go for it. Implo was never lasting until endgame anyway. He was clearly not really engaged with the game all that much.

Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

Like what makes that so unlikely? Or so many other scenarios?

[Ausuka]

Ausuka are you OK with risking the game to lynch me/flavor/kisme

No. Not like my opinion matters.

[Ausuka]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yeah, see this is too powerful to get past.

Scum would be stupid here, really stupid to bus their PR when they could have easily lynched a townie instead.

Yeah, so stupid. Even though it's probably going to win them the game, clearly the towncred just wasn't worth lynching a ONE-SHOT STRONGMAN.

[Ausuka]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yeah, see this is too powerful to get past.

Scum would be stupid here, really stupid to bus their PR when they could have easily lynched a townie instead.

Yeah, so stupid. Even though it's probably going to win them the game, clearly the towncred just wasn't worth lynching a ONE-SHOT STRONGMAN.

This is not the path of least resistance.

I don't get the point you're trying to make. If scum don't bus implo they might get a town lynch d1 but they can get caught later.

[Ausuka]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you! Bussing is always a choice. If people think they can take the towncred they go for it. Implo was never lasting until endgame anyway. He was clearly not really engaged with the game all that much.

Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

Like what makes that so unlikely? Or so many other scenarios?

LOL I'm goignt o take this as your locked stance, and I'm completely ready to bust this myth

Oh yeah the MYTH that scum bus. What a MYTH.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka are you OK with risking the game to lynch me/flavor/kisme

No. Not like my opinion matters.

Why not? You're saying that 2 scum bussed.

I'm fine risking the game on the logic 2 scum didn't bus.

Yeah and this is exactly what makes bussing a good play.

Remind me: if scum busses anyway, why don't they both take the towncred, instead of just one of them? If you're okay with the idea of one scum bussing it naturally follows that scum could have both been bussing.

[Ausuka]

2 scum.... Bussed the strong pr.... When Luca was that close to being lynched...

This is what I meant when I said Luca flipping gives us great information. We know a town wagon was closed to being lynched. You're telling me that instead of lynching town TWO SCUM BUSSED IMPLOSION WHEN THEY DIDNT THE HAVE TO?

What a joke.

Yes that's exactly what I'm telling you! Bussing is always a choice. If people think they can take the towncred they go for it. Implo was never lasting until endgame anyway. He was clearly not really engaged with the game all that much.

Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

Like what makes that so unlikely? Or so many other scenarios?

THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME IF THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK HAPPENED?

Because I don't know what happened! All I know is that we could definitely lose the game from clearing the Implo wagon and that is definitely something I am very, very uncomfortable with.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka are you OK with risking the game to lynch me/flavor/kisme

No. Not like my opinion matters.

Why not? You're saying that 2 scum bussed.

I'm fine risking the game on the logic 2 scum didn't bus.

Yeah and this is exactly what makes bussing a good play.

Remind me: if scum busses anyway, why don't they both take the towncred, instead of just one of them? If you're okay with the idea of one scum bussing it naturally follows that scum could have both been bussing.

THEY COULD HAVE LYNCHED TOWN AND SAVED THEMSELVES A DAY PHASE.

Yeah, of course they could have! But if they think that it's worth bussing so they're less likely to all get lynched later, they go for it. Like the argument you're making here could apply to literally any bus. If you're actually saying scum never bus I don't know what to tell you.

[Ausuka]

Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

When are you saying this happened again?

some point d1

[Ausuka]

also I'm still not a he

[Ausuka]

Imagine this:
Implo: ugh. I can't get into this game and I look really scummy. hey guys, can you bus me for the towncred please?
Gamma: sure, sounds good to me
Havo: Lol ok yeah.

When are you saying this happened again?

some point d1

I'm not going to be satisfied unless you give a concrete answer. Depending where you say it was you might get a slight reprieve. Or you could get fucked up. As I said, depnds on where you say it is.

If you want me to lock in my reads I'm afraid that isn't happening.

[Ausuka]

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

Easy. Havo/Gamma/Creature. This should have been evident from my reads, which are still consistent to the readspost I posted.

[Ausuka]

I give context to why scum wouldn't bus in this particular situation.

Ausuka:"you're saying scum never bus?"

No you didn't though! You said scum wouldn't have bussed because they could have saved themselves a day phase- which goes for ANY bus.
The only thing you've provided that applies here and not everywhere is the fact Implo was 1-shot strongman. That isn't strong enough to make bussing something that would never be done.

[Ausuka]

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

Easy. Havo/Gamma/Creature. This should have been evident from my reads, which are still consistent to the readspost I posted.

Who are you voting rn?

Tchill13. And I think you're scum with one or Havo or Gamma, but it's possible it's Havo/Gamma also (and I definitely don't want to assume it's not Havo/Gamma) and it's possible for any of you to be scum with Simyk.

Gamma is saying my reads are hedged. That's blatantly false. I have reads. What I don't want is to lock my reads midway through d3 in and make them last until endgame.

[Ausuka]

IMPLOSION WAS STRONGMAN PR

LUCA, A TOWNIE COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED HE WAS ONE VOTED AWAY WHICH SCUM CAN ACCOMPLISH SINGLEHANDEDLY

OH MY LORD

Yes a townie could have been lynched there. I know that. A townie can be lynched in most bus games too. That doesn't mean that scum didn't bus implo. If scum think they can win the game from it (which they can, as has been shown here) then it's a good play even if it means scum get lynched instead of town.
If there are no alternatives to bussing you don't get towncred anyway.

[Ausuka]

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

Easy. Havo/Gamma/Creature. This should have been evident from my reads, which are still consistent to the readspost I posted.

Who are you voting rn?

Tchill13. And I think you're scum with one or Havo or Gamma, but it's possible it's Havo/Gamma also (and I definitely don't want to assume it's not Havo/Gamma) and it's possible for any of you to be scum with Simyk.

Gamma is saying my reads are hedged. That's blatantly false. I have reads. What I don't want is to lock my reads midway through d3 in and make them last until endgame.

SO YOU'RE OK RISKING THE GAME LYNCHING THROUGH THE LUCA WAGON TO CATCH SCUM?

Where did I say that?
You're really angry for someone who thinks they're talking to scum.

[Ausuka]

STOP SAYING I HAVEN'T MADE THIS POINT

where did I say this?

[Ausuka]

"Oh two scum bussed blah blah" PROVE THEY DID. TELL ME WHO'S SCUM ON IMPLOSION.

Easy. Havo/Gamma/Creature. This should have been evident from my reads, which are still consistent to the readspost I posted.

Who are you voting rn?

Tchill13. And I think you're scum with one or Havo or Gamma, but it's possible it's Havo/Gamma also (and I definitely don't want to assume it's not Havo/Gamma) and it's possible for any of you to be scum with Simyk.

Gamma is saying my reads are hedged. That's blatantly false. I have reads. What I don't want is to lock my reads midway through d3 in and make them last until endgame.

That's not what I'm asking. I'm asking for stances so you can't slink away with "I now have xyz stance". Who's scum if none of me/Havo/Creature is? What about only one of us?

In that case it is most likely Tchill and FL. Maybe mumble.
If only one of you, you're scum with Tchill.

[Ausuka]

also I'm still not a he

[Ausuka]

It's almost guaranteed we lynch one scum if we lynch the whole Luca wagon. Ausuka is hesitant to say OK for some reason.

Even if that's true which is very debateable, you know what I'd rather do? Lynch two scum.

[Ausuka]

IMPLOSION WAS STRONGMAN PR

LUCA, A TOWNIE COULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED HE WAS ONE VOTED AWAY WHICH SCUM CAN ACCOMPLISH SINGLEHANDEDLY

OH MY LORD

Yes a townie could have been lynched there. I know that. A townie can be lynched in most bus games too. That doesn't mean that scum didn't bus implo. If scum think they can win the game from it (which they can, as has been shown here) then it's a good play even if it means scum get lynched instead of town.
If there are no alternatives to bussing you don't get towncred anyway.

Ausuka if your death GAURANTEED THE DEATH of me and flavor would you be okay with it? I'd be OK with my death if that was the case.

I WANT AUSUKA AND FLAVOR KILLED. That's the key to the game.

No. Because I don't scumread Flavour Leaf.
If you said Tchill and havo? Maybe.

[Ausuka]

That being said, if I get lynched, nobody will care about any "deals" they made with me, or anything I said.

[Ausuka]

I scumread Tchill. I scumread Havo. I think the scumteam is Havo and Tchill. I have said this many times
If you think that's not solid enough, I don't know what to tell you.

[Ausuka]

Why would I want to die. Seriously.

[Ausuka]

It involves lynching me. It involves lynching FL. I don't want either.

[Ausuka]

Yeah yeah Gamma I get it you scumread me. Whatever.

[Ausuka]

Except we lose the game if scum double bussed. No thank you. I'd prefer to take everything new into account, instead of... this.

You're suggesting chainlynching 3 people and we haven't even massclaimed yet.

[Ausuka]

Like, you're acting like lynch ausuka -> lynch FL -> lynch Tchill is a good deal and I should prefer it over lynch tchill -> lynch havo. That makes 0 sense.

[Ausuka]

I don't care about your opinion ausuka.

You care enough to push me for my opinion.

[Ausuka]

ok hi

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Flavour

I don't think you've claimed yet, right?

Did Tchill/Ausuka both claim VT? If not it might be worth the entire group of 3 claiming since they're nightkill immune right now.

Hell no. Don't rolefish.

I don't know if I should claim or not but Hopkirk telling me to is definitely not scummy.

[Ausuka]

I don’t understand the logic, but I’m skim reading right now.

Who are you pushin, Chill? You keep bringing up the Implosion/Luca wagons, and going from there, but you’re pushing me, and my slot wasn’t on either of the lynch wagons.

I might have missed something. On BART.

We're actually converging on Ausuka tyvl

No we're not, it was just you and Tchill being snarky and using allcaps to yell at me. The lynch today is pretty clearly shaping out to be FL.

[Ausuka]

And like I don't tr flavour nearly enough to fight it so I'm ok with that.

[Ausuka]

Here's the breakdown
>votes formerfish, but removes vote when wagon reaches critical mass, plus executes the scum tactic of "drop pressure on the buddy when they replace out".
> Votes Gratiae: vanity vote essentially
> Votes Gratiae again d3, this time in response to wagon on him. This is basically the same as his last schadd vote in the other game ausuka linked
Yeah those are some pretty shoddy samples deary

you're wrong but Creature is town so I don't care enough to argue with you.

[Ausuka]

Everything revolves around day 1.

Yeah and that really sucks.

[Ausuka]

H

Rereading again though, Havo is more likely town than (Tchill/Ausuka/Flavour)

but why though? Like if we lynch me/tchill/FL it's not that disastorous but Havo can't make it to endgame, full stop.

[Ausuka]

This havo can't make it to lylo is quite sudden and nI'm ot sure where it even came from.

I mean I've been pushing Havo for all of d3. It's really not all that sudden. Plus I already have this big post why I explain why I scumread havo.

[Ausuka]

if you're doing it for NK info, you're doing it wrong IMO. We should massclaim today or tomorrow, because LYLO claims are always troublesome with the whole you-can't-CC thing. Even the day before lylo can be a problem.

[Ausuka]

If we get to LYLO, we have 3 or 5 bussers, all of them look the same.

[Ausuka]

I don't want him in LYLO because I think he's scum. Pretty simple I think.
I heavily disagree with your second point but I've already explained that and you don't care so whatever.

pedit: nice to know

[Ausuka]

UNVOTE:
you know what, I'm doing this wrong. I think tchill is town after all but I'm just so fustrated with his play.
Scum could be FL with Havo or FL with Simyk even.

[Ausuka]

SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis
Tchill13
Creature
Gamma Emerald
Hopkirk
Havo
Mumble
Flavor Leaf

{Hopkirk, Mumble, Creature}- Town
{Tchill, Simyk}- Probably town I guess
{Gamma, FL} Scumpool- not scum together but probably one of them is scum with Havo
{Havo}- Probably scum here.

not like anyone cares about my reads lol

[Ausuka]

Okay so I'll try this again.
So we have D1. Implo and Luca are the wagons or it's shaping out to be that way, and neither of them are likely to get to endgame. Scum have two choices.
1. Vote Luca
This is the one everyone talks about. And sure, they could, and Luca gets lynched that day, yes, but then what? I'm willing to bet that in this scenario, we lynch implo d2 or d3, right? Implo was clearly not into the game and according to a lot of people he was scum.This doesn't leave scum any better off than they would be if they'd lynched implo d1. Still 1 scum lynch and however many town lynches. And what's more, they're more likely to follow. They defended the flipped scum, they tied themselves to him. They get investigated and/or lynched and town probably win here. Implo lynch was pretty much inevitable, eventually.

And here's scenario 2: Vote Implo
In the short run, yes, this kills a scum when they could've killed a townie. HOWEVER. It enables them to lynch players off the implo wagon instead of themselves. This advantage EASILY outweighs leaving an apathetic scum alive. The scum basically get more towncred, and when LYLO comes around, they're more likely to be there, and they're more likely to win overall. Because yes, the towncred you get from bussing in the current meta is clearly not at all insignificant. Scum bus all the time, and usually, they CAN actually lynch a town if they didn't. As scum, it's easy to get a d1 townlynch. What you have to worry about is what happens after that.

So yeah, I think it's perfectly viable for scum to vote Implo.

[Ausuka]

Also Luca claimed like 2 posts before the hammer. Scum couldn't do anything at that point. 1-shot strongman is a weak PR, basically a goon.

[Ausuka]

Your plan is definitely more ok than I thought it was last night but like Havo is the most probable scum here. I just want to lynch Havo and if we chainlynch everyone on Luca wagon we can't do that.
And I still don't see why scum don't both take the towncred if one of them is alright with implo dying, but ok.
I guess I'll follow the plan and vote in Tchill and FL if we massclaim tomorrow or the day after that, and the people in lylo at least keep in mind my post in 2520.

[Ausuka]

But like I hard-believe that scum would definitely both hop on implo if they really do think implo was going down. Like, once one scum hops on implo that's like a signal saying "Hey this guy's going down so let's bus him for the towncred."

[Ausuka]

ok sure.

intent to hammer Flavour Leaf

[Ausuka]

No I hard believe that is definitely possible. I can definitely see how my post is unclear, but "would" means "would be willing to."

I'm not sure why you're trying to sort me, considering we're lynching me anyway.

[Ausuka]

Wait, wtf’s going on?

I’m a two shot vig. I killed Maria.

Oh well this would definitely have been nice information to know before hand.

not sure I believe you though

[Ausuka]

actually yeah scum probably killed maria to claim vig at least partially. Havo is less scummy now.

[Ausuka]

still maybe scum, though

[Ausuka]

I’ve never claimed x shot in my life as scum.

JOAT = x shot? kind of.

anyway I still don't believe it sorry

[Ausuka]

FL, if you're really the town vig, shoot me tonight. If anyone interferes with this, that is a scum claim.

VOTE: Tchill13

[Ausuka]

I'm just a VT. Otherwise I wouldn't ask to be vigged.

[Ausuka]

Obviously if I survive FL is scum and if I'm the only kill he's definitely possible scum.

[Ausuka]

I'm definitely inclined to agree that Tchill and me are town but town's opinions aren't going to change. If we die that's probably for the best- there's no way either of us survives to endgame.

[Ausuka]

Any possibility scum has a roleblocker if we assumed the vig claim is true?

There's no way to know.

Did Mumble share his results?

No.

[Ausuka]

I thought Mumble was town because multiple people said he was town by meta.

[Ausuka]

I mean, yeah, that was kinda implied by the use of "rolefishing" but ok.

[Ausuka]

Also Luca claimed like 2 posts before the hammer. Scum couldn't do anything at that point. 1-shot strongman is a weak PR, basically a goon.

What?
In all but one case (the creature game you linked, mini 1925) strongman has always pointed towards a protective. so yeah I'd think sum would want to keep their strongman alive.

It's better than goon I guess but one kill that bypasses protectives is a really weak PR imo.

[Ausuka]

But like I hard-believe that scum would definitely both hop on implo if they really do think implo was going down. Like, once one scum hops on implo that's like a signal saying "Hey this guy's going down so let's bus him for the towncred."

OK cool
who do you think did this?

Havo and you.

[Ausuka]

Also Luca claimed like 2 posts before the hammer. Scum couldn't do anything at that point. 1-shot strongman is a weak PR, basically a goon.

What?
In all but one case (the creature game you linked, mini 1925) strongman has always pointed towards a protective. so yeah I'd think sum would want to keep their strongman alive.

It's better than goon I guess but one kill that bypasses protectives is a really weak PR imo.

No? If we hadn't lynched it D1 it's very possible it could have been used on mumble.

Scum clearly don't even want to kill Mumble if he's town

But like I hard-believe that scum would definitely both hop on implo if they really do think implo was going down. Like, once one scum hops on implo that's like a signal saying "Hey this guy's going down so let's bus him for the towncred."

OK cool
who do you think did this?

Havo and you.

Check wagon placement, then get back to me.[/quote]
Done.

[Ausuka]

No.

[Ausuka]

I never said you hopped on at the end though.

[Ausuka]

No because that means you get less town cred. You don't need a huge wagon to realise implo doesn't make endgame. Nobody townread him. Also scum are super paranoid that one of them will get lynched, or at least I am whenever I roll scum

[Ausuka]

Ausuka is town, you're doing it wrong.

[Ausuka]

I want to sheep Creature but I'm not sure how realistic a Gamma lynch could be today, or, well, anyone but me and Tchill.

[Ausuka]

That's the only guy that hard defendeded him and he just voted him lol.

This is probably the most hypocritical thing I've ever read

[Ausuka]

No matter what you think about FL and his claim, he's just a terrible lynch today. If we can't prove he's town by tomorrow, he becomes a good lynch then.

[Ausuka]

I don't really understand what that has to do with it but ok.

[Ausuka]

Can anyone voting FL explain to me what we lose by lynching him tomorrow instead and giving him a chance to prove he's vig?

[Ausuka]

Why is lynching scum today so much better than lynching scum tomorrow? FL isn't going anywhere.

[Ausuka]

I'm just kidding.

[Ausuka]

Why is lynching scum today so much better than lynching scum tomorrow? FL isn't going anywhere.

What kinda question is this? Is this serious?

Yes.

[Ausuka]

I've already claimed VT so I'm a better kill. Besides, if I make it to lylo, we lose anyway.

[Ausuka]

I mean we could like just massclaim today but no-one else wants that I think.

[Ausuka]

Let's just wait till lylo to lynch scum. I mean what better does it do us really?

You're ignoring the fact there's an obvious, huge advantage to keeping FL alive for one more day.

[Ausuka]

Yeah and if he's town he is exactly what he claims.

Look at it this way. You scumread someone d1. They claim D2 Innocent Child. Do you lynch them?

[Ausuka]

Mumble said he has a tracker action, right? Track me. No matter what happens, there’s info from that

No. If I'm the only kill, that proves nothing more than we know, and otherwise your alignment is already confirmed. Mumble should use it on somebody else, or otherwise wait.

[Ausuka]

FL, if you're really the town vig, shoot me tonight. If anyone interferes with this, that is a scum claim.

VOTE: Tchill13

Still this but replace me with Tchill if I get lynched.

Creature town MVP for sure but still don't think it's realistic to expect a win with Tchill and I alive.

[Ausuka]

Creature's play in like one RL day was better than everyone else in d3 combined.

[Ausuka]

Oh no my super secret plan has been busted by Gamma Emerald

[Ausuka]

I kinda want Mumble to come and talk. Then we should just lynch/vig me and Tchill. Hopefully after that you guys will be more receptive to the idea of bussing I guess.

[Ausuka]

So we're just gonna let this 120 page game die because we're actually about to lynch scum... OK...

Yeah that must be why scum don't want the gamestate to change. Because we're doing so well, and we're about to lynch scum.

[Ausuka]

i cant believe scum actually bussed their stron pr when they didnt have to DAY ONE LOL.

Hey, what did I tell you

GG all. I was pretty terrible this game. At least I learned from it.