Mini Normal 1996: Floral Mafia [Endgame!]

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Finally in this game. I let Nsg know to put me in as soon as the chance arose. So many wonderful players I haven’t played with in a bit here.

I’ll catch up either tonight after work, or tomorrow morning.

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Finally in this game. I let Nsg know to put me in as soon as the chance arose. So many wonderful players I haven’t played with in a bit here.

I’ll catch up either tonight after work, or tomorrow morning.

I’ve Ive been semi following since the beginning, but not that I’m depth.

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Gamma, is there a reason you aren’t being lynched? I find you scummy off of gut from the last pages alone. When i catch up more, maybe it’ll dissipate, but ehhh...you conftown?

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@Gamma: any thoughts on who Tchill probably isn't partners with? I thought about this earlier and it made me switch to MariaR. Want to know if you agree.

Mostly likely not partners with Mumble or katherine off the top of my head. Will put some extra thought into that sometime soon.

Looking back it's probably someone who got pushed early-game because of his "some people are pushing hard very early" comment
So maybe he could be scum with Katherine

Who’s my slot scum with? Maria?

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Oh, you talking about Tchill.

Last time I was scum with Tchill we pulled a fake neighborhood gambit. Was pretty cool.

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Last time I was scum in a game with Gamma, he lynched the miller in 3p lylo. That’s been my highlight moment of recent memory.

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I was more talking about the fact you had me pocketed enough to be willing to do a mason claim gambit
in fact both of my picks for that were scum

Yeah, that was unfortunate. I thought you played an incredibly townie game there, though. I’m not seeing that here. I can generally soul read you. (To be fai, I was scum that game, so I knew everything you were saying was from a town perspective.)

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How far are you right now?

I’ve read the ins and out of a decent amount of pages. I let NSG know I wanted in in the very beginning.

I’m at work right now, so not actively reading up. Just replying to you guys, cuz i like ya, and want to see if you are scum

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How far are you right now?

I’ve read the ins and out of a decent amount of pages. I let NSG know I wanted in in the very beginning.

I’m at work right now, so not actively reading up. Just replying to you guys, cuz i like ya, and want to see if you are scum

Have you read my full ISO?

Nah. I will. I’m just interacting with you. I’m in no place to make super solidified reads at this point. You just caught my eye is all.

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Okay well I'm not gonna worry about what your read on me is until you either fully read the game or read my ISo because I feel like some of it should shine through as towny.

Why would you need to worry about it elsewise?

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Soul reading Tchill, Creature, and Maria as town. More than soul, but i don’t have time right now.

I’ll get to this game tonight, probably late.

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I mean I guess it could also be a Tchill/FL ploy to get attention onto the implo wagon but that seems a lot less likely than you just being scum.

Tchill/Flavor is too obvious to kill Maria, I feel.

If we were trying to make a wtf point as scum, I feel you’d be the correct kill.

Gamma, I still am leaning scum on you.

I’m town reading Creature.

I also think Ausuka is town. They have that antsy personality thing going on for them

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@Kookoo - There’s no way that’s an all town wagon, I agree. I’m town reading Creature and Asuka as well, so you’re the only one off the wagon, so if you’re town, I’m willing to believe two scum are on the Luca wagon.

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I agree that Luca wasn't a good d2 lynch, but the pioneers of the wagon (Hopkirk and Tchill) are a lot less likely to be scum than some of the people who opportunistically hopped on it and made it an L-1 wagon with just a few posts (Havo, Gamma, Mumble) IMO.

I like this. Those are the three I’d probably go in.

I don’t know how I feel on tchill right now, but I feel like i’ll be able to sort him eventually, and he’ll work with me in the meantime

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@Gamma - I keep looking through your ISO, and I can’t really explain why i think you’re scum. Mainly I just don’t think you’re town

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

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@Aus - I was just saying things hypothetically. Killing you would drastically change the game state and cause loads of confusion in the town and force people to change sides and not trust anyone.

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@Gamma - I keep looking through your ISO, and I can’t really explain why i think you’re scum. Mainly I just don’t think you’re town

I feel this is a classic “doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t get me lynched” scenario.

You’re gonna have to try harder.

Yeah, I’ll get in try hard mode when I get something to latch on to, don’t you worry.

As Ausuka said, I’m the one who got 1174 posts in a game

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Mumble - Havo - Hopkirk - Gamma
Creature
Luca - Katherine
Tchill - Maria - Ausuka

I should update

Especially because two of those are dead. However, the continuity in a Tchill/Ausuka is interesting. I think I like it, but it’s rather projecty. Noted.

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Flavour Leaf, what do you think of Ausuka's points towards Tchill?

I understand Ausuka’s reasoning for town reading Tchill. Like, it makes sense in my head that Ausuka town reads Tchill for the reasons he’s stated, but it doesn’t make Tchill town. I’ve seen chill play scum aggressively.

“Doesn’t matter if you know I’m scum if you can’t lynch me” mentality.

I’m not town reading Tchill, but I am town reading Ausuka, if that reasoning makes sense. Sorry, on BART.

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@Aus - I was just saying things hypothetically. Killing you would drastically change the game state and cause loads of confusion in the town and force people to change sides and not trust anyone.

If scum really is Havo and gamma/mumble/you then I don't think they want confusion anyway- they want a Tchill lynch, and they want to get rid of the player calling them out. People changing sides and not trusting sides is bad news for a team who put everything into a bus d1.

Fair enough. I like to think I’d pull crazy stunts 100% of the time as scum when I’m town, but that’s a bark bigger than my bite kind of deal.

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@kookoo - i understand your reasoning. I myself just don’t have a comfortable read on Tchill atm. I want to interact with him

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I meant reasoning in general that’s he been pushing. I’m not entirely sure on that Tchill-Implosion, but I don’t think that’s necessarily AI either way with Tchill. Especially if he’s town scum reading somehow who was pushing Implosion, or coasting

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I’m going to look into Havo and Mumble more. Maybe something will make more sense. (I’ll probably post tonight, bart ride almost over, then work.)

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Considering he had in the past voted and fosd Implosion he couldn't hard defend, that's sus asf and the walls were closing in.

You don’t think Tchill would bus as scum in that scenario?

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I’m asking some of these questions to gauge your responses as well.

I personally think he would bus if he saw an opening, but I understand your push.

Imma be scummy and fence sit on Tchill for now.

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So if he thinks he can't say "wait hold on I was ISOing implo and this makes him town, y'all should unvote' and derail the lynch, why does he switch to Luca and doom himself to suspicion when implo inevitably flips instead of taking the bus and getting a lot of towncred for it?

Simple. Tchill likes to be scummy as scum like I do. Being super town read as scum is rough because you can’t explain living late game

I think you both have solid points on Tchill, but it’s all WIFOM on Tchill’s play and what he’d do. Havo’s last post pinged me a bit, but mainly because it was shading to me, I think

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So if he thinks he can't say "wait hold on I was ISOing implo and this makes him town, y'all should unvote' and derail the lynch, why does he switch to Luca and doom himself to suspicion when implo inevitably flips instead of taking the bus and getting a lot of towncred for it?

He did this by voting Implosion for all of a 6 post length before switching. He tried to do that and say their thoughts were similar. He tried to save the scum pr, and failed. If implosion hadn't flipped his associations wouldn't be there and he could have bussed it later. I don't want to keep typing wifom responses so stop asking awful wifom questions, it's ridiculous people aren't seeing this.

I forgot implosion was a PR. Mm. That actually tips the scale a bit to the red side.

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The day ends in 5 minutes and every player is l-1. Who do you hammer, Flavour?

Easy. Gamma Emerald

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The day ends in 5 minutes and every player is l-1. Who do you hammer, Flavour?

Easy. Gamma Emerald

I don’t even need that 5 minute deadline.

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Im not about having these early unexplainable scum gut tone reads. I just finished a game, a newbie game, where I scum read a player Day 1, has no explanation for it, but saw them as incredibly scummy, and then i change s my read and the player pocketed me and hard swept the game. I need to trust my gut more

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"Well the competing wagons will be good for future day phases."

He literally encourages the Implo wagon here.

Literally the only thing even coming close to derailing the Implo wagon is "If you're on a different wagon I'd love for you to switch to either Luca or mumble." and if his intention is to derail the wagon here I'm not sure why he jumps on implo thirty posts later. Also if you're trying to derail a wagon I think you generally do a LOT more than that.

This is weak as hell mate. He jumps on Implosion for under a page. He tried to make the competing wagons Luca and Mumble and then Mumble PR'd him. Stop giving these garbage replies full of wifom around him, it's annoying me. Flavour, if you're town you should know his other major push Katherine is also town. This slot is scum

And when he flips town what are you gonna say? Because he’ll flip town.

Lol, it’s Havo and Gamma.

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I don’t believe I was on the Luca wagon

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So Havo thinks scum is Kookoo/Flavor, Tchill thinks it’s Ausuka/Flavor, Ausuka thinks it’s Havo/Flavor, and kookoo thinks it’s Tchill/Ausuka.

None of these are correct.

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VOTE: Havo

Why would you vote blind out of the gate?

Because I was on mobile and had limited time but I wanted to get my vote in anyway. If I have a guilty I just state it outright, not blankvote.

Why not wait to see if any info comes out? Like does Mumble have anything?

We don't need to disturb normal dayplay because there's possibly a guilty. Sure, we don't lynch before everyone checks in, but I wasn't trying to lynch you yet.

Hmm. The Maria NK is very, very sketchy.

What’s sketchy about it?

The fact that she was a good ML candidate for today and scum killed her anyway?

They only narrowed my pool down for me.

It went from Maria, Kath/Kook, Ausuka to

Ausuka, Kook

I had you as lock town before I saw this. I should not be in your pool. Still probably town.

VOTE: Tchill

Honestly, if you don't lynch this today you shouldn't be playing mafia.

Lynch flavor after I flip town.

Scums OK with my lynch today.

So you were saying the team was Ausuka/Flavor yet scum is “okay” with your lynch? You realize we were the two stating you shouldn’t be the lynch today...right?

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The ones pushing Chilly are Kookoo and Gamma Emerald.

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Nah, Mumble’s town.

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I mean I guess it could also be a Tchill/FL ploy to get attention onto the implo wagon but that seems a lot less likely than you just being scum.

Tchill/Flavor is too obvious to kill Maria, I feel.

If we were trying to make a wtf point as scum, I feel you’d be the correct kill.

Gamma, I still am leaning scum on you.

I’m town reading Creature.

I also think Ausuka is town. They have that antsy personality thing going on for them

WHy are you leaning scum on me if you don't think Maria was a wtf kill :[

I don’t think Maria was a wtf kill. I make weird kills, and I always have reasons for those weird kills, and I’m sure whoever killed Maria had some sort of reason. “Confusion for the town” is an addition, not a reason. Maria was likely killed because she was a mislynch target, but probably wasn’t ever going to get lynched. Maria was actually a VT, as she claimed, and scum knew that. There’s a reason for the kill, we just have to figure out what the purpose was.

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Nah, Mumble’s town.

Why?

Mumble’s like top 3 most mislynchable players on this site. It’s like a hard town tell when he’s run up Day 1, especially with players that aren’t super familiar with him, which should be most players. I’ve modded a scum game of his, mislynched him when I was town, mislynched him when I was scum, hard defended him when he’s been mislynched, and hard defended him and he shaded me, so i mislynched him knowing he flipped town while town.

This is classic mislynch Mumble.

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I think scum is in flavor or gamma?

Finally. That’s what I’m sayin’.

VOTE: Gamma

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Tinfoil hat theory time:

Gamma’s partner was in decent standing with Maria. This was a good kill in the sense that it would distance them fro pressure today because of Maria being the kill. Immediately people label it as a weird kill, gamma pushes there. ALSO, who was pushing interest on a Gamma lynch? Me! BOONSKIIES. Maria dying relieves Gamma of some pressure due to the WIFOM, slog with being a weird kill, and who makes weird kills? Me! BOONSKIIES! A lot of you here know that. Ausuka even called it out as seeming like a Boon kill, which effectively makes it not a wtf Boon kill.

Maria dying, as a claimed VT, meant that scum didn’t plan on mislynching her, so scum likely didn’t scum read her already, and with her flip, people who were iffy on her would focus elsewhere. This sets up Tchill, Ausuka, and ME! BOONSKIIES!

If I’m wrong on Gamma, this idea is still valid.

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Well yall can lynch me first but flavor needs to flip. He did nothing day 2 worthy of remembering and fits the narrative that hopkirk said scum maybe trying to change.

His explanation for the scum kill makes sense.

I was busy. the game I just hadn’t finish I even went days without posting during the time when I joined here.

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Tinfoil hat theory time:

Gamma’s partner was in decent standing with Maria. This was a good kill in the sense that it would distance them fro pressure today because of Maria being the kill. Immediately people label it as a weird kill, gamma pushes there. ALSO, who was pushing interest on a Gamma lynch? Me! BOONSKIIES. Maria dying relieves Gamma of some pressure due to the WIFOM, slog with being a weird kill, and who makes weird kills? Me! BOONSKIIES! A lot of you here know that. Ausuka even called it out as seeming like a Boon kill, which effectively makes it not a wtf Boon kill.

Maria dying, as a claimed VT, meant that scum didn’t plan on mislynching her, so scum likely didn’t scum read her already, and with her flip, people who were iffy on her would focus elsewhere. This sets up Tchill, Ausuka, and ME! BOONSKIIES!

If I’m wrong on Gamma, this idea is still valid.

Terrible argument. My partner was in good standing? Also possible scum were under her microscope. Why not consider that? I went after Tchill when he commented on the kill because there was no actual substance to the post. I will have you know my offsite experience has shown the "that sucks" tell to be very strong. Why would I kill Maria to relieve pressure when you would be a better kill if I was scum? No one ever listens to dead town anyway. And You doidn't make weird kills last game you were scum in? Obvtown, cop, obvtown, person pushing you, rolecop. That's a pretty logical progression. Also are you saying just because Ausuka said the kill looked like one you would make it's one you wouldn't make? Check your own signature numbskull. And nice job making the kill sound like one I would make, it's like you planned this from the start. You were mainly off my scum radar until this post, glgl

It’s not an argument. I literally stated it was a tinfoil theory. I didn’t say it was true. It’s a tinfoil theory. You attacking it and getting defensive over that.

You’re right. I didn’t make weird kills last game. Thanks for town casing me.

However, I am known to make ridiculous kills as scum. Penguin’s normal game a while back is a good example of it. Ausuka was serial killer there, I believe, so they were very aware of my weird kills, so that makes sense of them to bring it up

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Well yall can lynch me first but flavor needs to flip. He did nothing day 2 worthy of remembering and fits the narrative that hopkirk said scum maybe trying to change.

His explanation for the scum kill makes sense.

Another thing with your “you can lynch me but Flavor needs to flip” that doesn’t add up is that you and I as a scum team is one of the main proposed teams out there.

If you’re scum, you’re actively setting me up to be taken down with you, if you’re town, well, then i don’t get the I need to flip comment either as it actively would stop people from saying Tchill/Flavor.

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Okay this is fucking bullshit: you keep going back and forth on whether that would be a weird kill for you.
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No thanks

Where did I go back and forth? I do make “weird kills”. Never denied that. Like ever. I agreed with you that i didn’t make weird kills. They aren’t weird kills for me.

I don’t go back and forth on anything as town or scum, and if I do, I generally say why. If people think I go back and forth, that generally means they just aren’t comprehending it.

They aren’t weird kills for me, because to me these are normal. Everyone else generally calls me kills weird, or unorthodox, to me it’s regular, but I understand my process is different than others.


So your comment is entirely moot now, as you have been proven that you didn’t comprehend it.

Also, nice opportunistic hop after Tchill posted interest. Good play.

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My point is the Katherine slot is very likely to be scum.

Regardless of if I'm supposed to be scum with it or not.

Fair enough. I thought the team was Katherine/Maria before I replaced in. :shrug: both of them ended up being false.

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Back at Gamma. I didn’t go back and forth, that game just didn’t have weird kills. That doesn’t mean I don’t make weird kills, however I disagree that the NC kill last game wasn’t weird. I still go for what kill I think is optimal still. It’s just people think it’s weird, and I’m like, yeah, okay. I don’t do thing s like that because I think they’re weird, i do it because I think it’ll help win.

If you still push at it without any reason, just confirms you as scum for choosing not to comprehend it before pushing :shrug: your point is now invalid, so if you continue pushing it, you are essentially OMGUS’ing, and in this case, that’s opportunistic and incredibly scum motivated.

React to this for me, please.

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I didn’t say it in a way where I thought you actually were town casing me. I don’t think anyone would use your case as a reason to actually town read me, and if they did, that would be hilarious.

So your argument for me is something feels off. Want to know the funny part about that? When i actually was scum, you were town wanting to claim masons with me, and ended up in 3p lylo and we lynched the ‘mafia Miller.’

I think you feeling off about me is a good thing.

I’m not hard pushing you or anything. I’m watching you, but Tchill is getting scummier every time he posts, and I don’t think you hop on me after Tchill’s postings.

Tchill is giving me vibes of protecting himself and taking me down after he flips

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My point is the Katherine slot is very likely to be scum.

Regardless of if I'm supposed to be scum with it or not.

Fair enough. I thought the team was Katherine/Maria before I replaced in. :shrug: both of them ended up being false.

Katherine/Maria and Katherine/ausuka was always a possibility and I'm pretty sure I stated that several times.

Why is this relevant to you? I understand why the reads were there. I just know neither of those are the case due to Maria flipping and seeing my role on.

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It's relevant because I haven't been pushing that the Katherine slot is only scum if Maria is.

I was more referring to the fact you stated you brought it up several times as both of those being a possibility. Why does that matter? I’m not scum reading you because of your reads, nor the inoccurence of them being brought up. All I said was before I replaced in to the game, I also was leaning Maria/Katherine. I just know that I wasn’t right on either of those because I’ve seen my role, and Maria flipped.

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You know what Flavor I'll back off for now but as I said you're on my radar now.
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Bacj to this

Katherine/myself wasn’t on your radar before?

Why not?

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Yeah, hopkirk, what’s up. Talk to me.

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Yeah, hopkirk, what’s up. Talk to me.

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Yeah, hopkirk, what’s up. Talk to me.

Can you explain your Creature townread.

Because if he’s scum, I’d be pissed. That game I mentioned with Gamma earlier, Creature was my scum buddy, and he’s already done LOADS more here than he did in four day phases in that game. (We had a traitor there who was guiltied Night 1). That’s similar to how I’ve always seen ScumCreature as well.

But yeah, if for some reason he chose this game and not the game where we were in trouble the entire time as the game to start doing stuff as scum, I’mma give him an ear full, haha.

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Anyone who knows Creature, as scum knows it’s generally fine to obvtown Creature because for some reason he can still be mislynched in a blink of an eye

However, look at gamma’s posts on Creature earlier in the game. He semi shades Creature often, but doesn’t fully push. He comments on other people’s pushes/comments on Creature in that fashion.

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Are you thinking Tchill/Gamma independently, or are there associations there?

I’m not necessarily scum reading Tchill. I can see him as town, I’m just sort of suspicious of some his actions. I think Kookoo’s case makes sense, but it doesn’t convince me that he wouldn’t have done the stuff in Kookoo’s case as town. I actually don’t think they are both scum.

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It’s why I’m wanting Gamma more than Tchill. I feel like eventually Tchill’s colors will show if he’s town (or if Gamma’s red now)

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Though I'm interested in your Ausuka townread, if it's still there. Could you explain it more please.

Very well. I’m on BART, so I’ll try and get to quoting some gamma stuff later.

I just see where Ausuka’s coming from. I also feel like scum was on the Luca wagon, likely both of them.

Got to remember Maria flipping town and then Ausuka immediately becomes the suspect.

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Ausuka defending Tchill so much doesn’t make sense if Ausuka is scum and Tchill is town. Regardless, you can say Ausuka is scum with Tchill here, and I don’t think Tchill is scum unless Gamma is town, and I don’t think gamma is town.

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And even if Gamma is town, I can still see Tchill as town, so that’s my issue with a Ausuka scum. Their play just doesn’t make sense in my head as scum no matter which way I look at it when you look down to agendas.

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I don’t understand the logic, but I’m skim reading right now.

Who are you pushin, Chill? You keep bringing up the Implosion/Luca wagons, and going from there, but you’re pushing me, and my slot wasn’t on either of the lynch wagons.

I might have missed something. On BART.

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Also, I work pretty soon, can we wait before we lynch anyone? Isn’t like to post more before the day’s over. I get off really late tonight.

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Wait, wtf’s going on?

I’m a two shot vig. Get off of me. I killed Maria. Katherine didn’t kill Night 1

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Though I'm interested in your Ausuka townread, if it's still there. Could you explain it more please.

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well. I’m on BART, so I’ll try and get to quoting some gamma stuff later.

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just see where Ausuka’s coming from. I also feel like scum was on the Luca wagon, likely both of them.

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to remember Maria flipping town and then Ausuka immediately becomes the suspect.

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I’ve never claimed x shot in my life as scum.

I shot Maria because she’s the only one who’s ever vig shot me, and I stated I thought that Maria/Katherine were scum before I replaced in

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Scum either shot Maria or a protective role saved the kill.

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Can I kill Havo?

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VOTE: Havo

Lynch Havo then I’ll kill whoever y’all want.

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Mumble said he has a tracker action, right? Track me. No matter what happens, there’s info from that

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Just lynch me if I’m roleblocked if I’m not cleared.

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Can i just shoot scum in Havo?

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Can i just shoot scum in Havo?

Hell to the no. You shoot where you're told.

Well, of course you would think that.

Scum get Ausuka, me, and Tchill dead that way.

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Can i just shoot scum in Havo?

You’re gonna shoot me anyway cause you’re scum.

Lol

Zero reason to shoot you here if I were scum. Tons of reasons to shoot you as town

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But your timing here is impeccable.

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Yeah and guess what? Y'all are the biggest suspects for town. If scum want to eliminate the main source of their safety that's on them

I mean, then you guys just go kookoo.

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Saske slot. They seem mislynchable.

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And that's why I said that cos I knew you'd try to twist my words

But your timing here is impeccable.

This was in reference to Havo, not Gamma.

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Neat.

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I didn’t shoot, by the way.

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I didn’t shoot, by the way.

It’s either this or I shot and my actual shot didn’t go through, so I’m saying I didn’t shoot for the potential WIFOM on actual scum.

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I didn’t shoot, by the way.

It’s either this or I shot and my actual shot didn’t go through, so I’m saying I didn’t shoot for the potential WIFOM on actual scum.

And just for the record, you’re saying someone else killed Tchill?

Yeah, scum did.

I’ll be totally honest. I shot at Gamma.

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I no longer think Havo is scum, and I’ll explain why on my break in more detail.

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I didn’t shoot, by the way.

yawn
you expect me to believe scum that wasn't you thought Tchill was a good kill? He was lynchbait full stop.

Why need the lynch bait when I’m alive?

Tchill wasn’t lynchbait. I was fighting his lynch.

I faught the Ausuka lynch too.

I’ve literally been off of both of town wagons.

Scum is in the people pushing me.


My reads for if I flip, Havo is probably town, Gamma is scum. I feel like Gamma probably got protected last night rather than a roleblocker in this situation. I can’t see a full roleblocker working with two 2 shots and a commuter.

Scum was definitely on the Ausuka wagon.

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I didn’t shoot, by the way.

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you expect me to believe scum that wasn't you thought Tchill was a good kill? He was lynchbait full stop.

Lol, not if they thought I wasn’t going to shoot there. It’s a perfect killespecially because Tchill was pushing me so hard.

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VOTE: Saske

Scum team is Saske and Gamma.

Saske’s first post of the day is super rehearsed, by the way.

And scum 100% is in the people who were pushing Ausuka/Tchill as town.

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VOTE: Saske

Scum team is Saske and Gamma.

Saske’s first post of the day is super rehearsed, by the way.

And scum 100% is in the people who were pushing Ausuka/Tchill as town.

100% in the people who were stating Ausuka/Tchill as the scum team.

Like if you guys can’t see that, okay.

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I didn’t shoot, by the way.

yawn
you expect me to believe scum that wasn't you thought Tchill was a good kill? He was lynchbait full stop.

Another thing, this isn’t even relevant, because that’s not what at all was happening.

[Flavor Leaf]

Havo, Mumble, hop, if you’re town, help me out. Please see why I am town

I wasn’t off of both town lynches, I explained my reasonings as to why I was town reading both Ausuka and Tchill.

Scum did really well in setting me up to this position. They played off of Tchill dying, and they only needed one kill to get to lylo after today. 1 kill and 2 kill still brings them to lylo/mylo tomorrow if I get lynched.

[Flavor Leaf]

And Saske, that doesn’t work with me. I literally fake claim as town more than I do scum. Except that’s not even a fake claim. I am mechanically cleared as town if there is a protective role who had an action the night Maria died

[Flavor Leaf]

You came into it when I looked into Havo more.

Kookoo was scum. He was pushing both the Ausuka/Tchill scum reads. Kookoo isn’t a bad town player. He was just scum.

Then you came in incredibly prepared for a fake push to capitalize on me coming across badly.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s simple NAR. Commutes go first.

@Mumble - I was originally going to test some things out, but then it hit me, and I realized the spot that the scum team put me in, so i just put everything out there. You know me. I’m a reaction test player.

[Flavor Leaf]

@saske - you’re right. Townies can have bad reads. But the fact you said it doesn’t make any sense is why you are scum.

It should make sense to you, even if you were town. I understand the suspicion on me, and I’m town. You painted a case on me well

[Flavor Leaf]

I shot at Gamma.

And I only missed once. Nice misrep.

[Flavor Leaf]

I wasn’t in this game Night 1...

There are a lot of people who don’t shoot as vig night 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

I shot at Gamma.

And I only missed once. Nice misrep.

That’s not my point -_-;;

It’s what you said

[Flavor Leaf]

My kill did go through yesterday

[Flavor Leaf]

Did you look at the katherine slot at all? Last post was days before D1 end and was replaced immediately after D2 start.

wouldnt the mod replace katherine BEFORE the night ends then?

i feel like that confirms that either katernine holstered deliberately OR MORE SIMPLY that flavor leaf is scum....

No. Just because they don’t send in an action doesn’t mean they were trying to be replaced.

I didn’t get into the game until the middle of Day 2.

My kill went through Night 2.

You are completely misrepping to fit your own agenda.

[Flavor Leaf]

My kill did go through yesterday

but we dont KNOW if it's your kill OR THE SCUM KILL (OR BOTH) so it DOESNT COUNT THIS IS OBVIOUS (╬ﾟ◥益◤ﾟ)

Sure, but it still went through. You saying it didn’t go through is misrepping.

im banking on scum’s kill Night 2 not going through due to some town role.

[Flavor Leaf]

Did you look at the katherine slot at all? Last post was days before D1 end and was replaced immediately after D2 start.

wouldnt the mod replace katherine BEFORE the night ends then?

i feel like that confirms that either katernine holstered deliberately OR MORE SIMPLY that flavor leaf is scum....

Idk is it really the mods obligation to ensure everyone either uses or makes the conscious choice not to use their power?

No. It’s not the mod’s job to make sure the players remember. Mods can choose to send a message reminding them if they want, but this is also NSG’s first game, I believe.

Technically mods don’t even have to have vote counts if they don’t want to.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would they replace because of that? I have had people in my many games not send me their actions, and I don’t replace them for that. I replace them for not posting, not for not sending in an action. You aren’t supposed to interfere with things like that as it would give info into the game that shouldn’t be there.

[Flavor Leaf]

Saske said he wanted massclaim. Well, start claiming. I’ve already claimed.

[Flavor Leaf]

Technically, I feel like Saske’s trying to out the protective, but I think it could help.

I also see the benefit of not having the protective claim, and having that ticket later, but then scum could potentially claim that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Don't mass claim yet either pls.

Wait for Mumble, I guess.

People, talk about your thoughts on Saske’s mass claim suggestion before actually going through with it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don't intend to claim unless Mumble says so
PEdit: that's a definite no then.

@Gamma - if you saw that I was 100% town, who would be scum for you.

[Flavor Leaf]

Not shooting N1 is BAD PLAY

I disagree and for a newb vig I'd think it's totally fair to not shoot n1
but the convenience of the claim is still susp af

It wasn’t even convenient. I crumbed it far before there was that much pressure on me. If anything the vig claim hurt me.

I wanted it out there because I knew I was the cause of Maria’s death.

[Flavor Leaf]

Doctor + Commuter?

lol

There’s a strongman, dude. Strongman is literally pointless without some sort of protective.

@Gamma - if you’re town, creature’s scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

Doctor + Commuter?

lol

There’s a strongman, dude. Strongman is literally pointless without some sort of protective.

@Gamma - if you’re town, creature’s scum.

uhm OKAY SO

i thought creature had a meta that everyone knew and that he HAD to be town this game? even ausuka said this and shes town so i trust her on this?

you going against the concensus basically confirms you as scum.... (￣^￣)

People can’t purposefully go against meta? This is an extremely weak stance of yours. I town read Creature because of his early play. As game goes on, he’s not doing as much, and that’s semi scummy from creatures meta. And with POE.

[Flavor Leaf]

What's the PoE rn?

For me it's like {Flavor, Gamma, Havo}

So I’m scum with one of the two people I was hard pushing as the team yesterday.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have a lot of meta with Creature as well. We just won a scum game together even.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can't keep my high activity every day.

And Creatures only scum if Gamma is town, and I’m not even worrying about Gamma too much right now. Him semi defending me here is kind of odd. If he’s scum, I fully expect him to eventually turn, though.

[Flavor Leaf]

don't see how my play is semi defending but you do you man

I see that twinkle in your eye, don’t worry. You’re chainsaw defending me. It’s appreciated and town motivated, and I’ll sort you more on another day.

Today we flip scum in Saske.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor shooting Gamma and nothing happening is still pretty much unexplained.

I’m thinking Mafia jailkeeper jailed him. Mafia doc could have protected there, but if Gamma is town, I’m guessing a jailkeeper.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Flavor: why do you think you weren't roleblocked?

Scum would only roleblock me if they thought I was shooting you and you were scum.

Plus, if Mumble tracked me and it said I didn’t go anywhere, I feel he would have called me out by now.

I targeted Gamma, and Mumble would have seen that if he tracked me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Flavor shooting Gamma and nothing happening is still pretty much unexplained.

I’m thinking Mafia jailkeeper jailed him. Mafia doc could have protected there, but if Gamma is town, I’m guessing a jailkeeper.

Wouldn't mafia jailkeeper rather jail you?

Why would they do that? They thought I was gonna be shooting Havo.

[Flavor Leaf]

okay SO havo what doyou have to say? (✿´ ꒳ ` )

This is looking for a claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - if you’re 1 shot BP, I’ll believe you, and we can lynch Saske.

[Flavor Leaf]

If he’s your buddy, just bus. It’ll give you townie points with me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Even if I was scum here, though, a lynch on me guarantees a town loss.

[Flavor Leaf]

But I’m town.

I think it’s just Saske/Creature with a side chance of Gamma.

[Flavor Leaf]

Are you claiming scum who knows whoe a SK is FL?

Nah, I’m just good at tying things together to make people not know who my buddy would be no matter what.

You should see me sometime when I get guiltied, oh, the crazy shit I spout. I literally claimed LUV as for sureness my scum buddy in twilight of me getting guiltied and people never lynched him and we won the game.


When I’m scum I tie people together, and hardcore scum theatre. If I go down, I’m taking people with me no matter what. If there’s a chance of me going down as scum, best believe I had a plan for buddies to win it when I’m gone.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am officially changing my claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am an odd-Night cop.

[Flavor Leaf]

No action night 1. Man, Katherine...

Havo town on Night 3.

[Flavor Leaf]

[Flavor Leaf]

That last thing was joke.

I’m gonna flip town, though.

Idk what’s out there. I agree with the reasonings behind my lynch, but I’m just town. It’s kind of funny.

[Flavor Leaf]

Who would you like us to lynch tomorrow FL?

Saske.

VOTE: Flavor

[Flavor Leaf]

Good luck, town. I predict a scum win.

[Flavor Leaf]

I had to kill Maria btw. That would have been for sure death for me.

Yeah, I just bs’d this game. i tried, though. I thought my odd night cop claim was funny.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Gamma - I played the politics game, and lost.

I was just going for whatever bs I could spout this game.

I was gonna tell mumble to forget anything said in PT, and bus me, but thread got locked. I was online during the lock

Happens.

I thought everyone was incredibly townie this game, and I didn’t have much to push, so I went the bs route. It didn’t work.

[Flavor Leaf]

i cant believe scum actually bussed their stron pr when they didnt have to DAY ONE LOL.

Especially considering it was Implosion too.

[Flavor Leaf]

i cant believe scum actually bussed their stron pr when they didnt have to DAY ONE LOL.

Who's not shocked? M E
lol gg town and great job curse you flavor for killing me

That’s a personal win for me.