Mini Normal 2003: donezo

[Lovebird]

Hi.

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Lovebird]

Hopkrick chilled out attitude about his wagon is odd. Hopkrick - why are you not talking about your quick wagon? Aren't you going to fight against it?

VOTE: Arcangel

[Lovebird]

Claimed PR because fakeclaiming a worse role is dangerous, and because I don't like fakeclaiming as town for no good reason.
I haven't played with half this list, and I've seen a lot of lolhammers recently.
VT claim or no claim is far more likely to get lolhammered.

Not liking Arc though.

So wait, is this retracting claim? Don't understand.

[Lovebird]

Arcangel always like this? Anyone know?

[Lovebird]

Srceenplay scummy

Tchill towny

Fumuki idk

Notmafia slightly scummy

[Lovebird]

Actually I retract that town read.

Why?

[Lovebird]

I think Hopkirk is towny. Not at all like his scum game I saw, though maybe that was just a slow game, bad example.

[Lovebird]

Oh yeah.

[Lovebird]

Some people might call his reaction to the wagon towny. Don't really think so.

[Lovebird]

Plus, just mentioning everyone who had said something other than vote.

[Lovebird]

Can I kill the bird for being the dumbest?

Die.

[Lovebird]

Can I kill the bird for being the dumbest?

Do they usually play differently?

Yeah, all she does is just sheep with no reads.

Wtf are you talking about?

We've never even played together?

[Lovebird]

Plus, just mentioning everyone who had said something other than vote.

I am glad I have now pocketed you.

What?

[Lovebird]

Lovebird are you an alt?

No?

[Lovebird]

I understand what it says. Not the "meaning"

[Lovebird]

Where did I town read you?

[Lovebird]

Arc, idk why you choose me to start attacking. My vote wasn't sheep, I was reading through and quoted what I read that made me snapvote. I can only assume you seen my games before and are trying to get me mad, knowing saying those things makes me mad?

[Lovebird]

Nothing else to say rn

[Lovebird]

I'm also considering NM/Imbad/TheWorst, as I said earlier I kind of just want to shoot a low poster.

I think bad to end day before imbad is replaced

@mod replace imbad?

As soon as someone volunteers

[Lovebird]

Idk why people just call me terrible every game. I didn't even do anything this time.

[Lovebird]

Worst looks scummy.

[Lovebird]

Didn't get a read on cheeky, let me reread.

[Lovebird]

Hi I totally forgot about this. Catch up soon.

Hopkirk and Srceenplay do you stand by your vig claims? If so I'm not lynching either and you can sort out who is lying tonight unless scum RB also exists then glgl us. Gun to my head srceenplay is likely scum of the two. Claiming an SK and vig in a 10p game is beyond lolworthy.

Love seems ok? Idk how to read this player yet so PoE will have to do here.
TChill I seemed to like which is concerning given he's pinged me hard as town before. I dislike his emphasis on the lack of reads people should jave rather than trying to generate some so maybe he is town after all.
Arc seems overly frustrated but I think that would be easier to read in real time rather than in hindsight.
Not liking Alice at all for a clear lack of sorting and snide remarks.
Hopkirk better be town because I need at least one town read and he's been scum in every other game I've been with him in.
Fumuki seemed like a towny replace out is that who alice replaced?

Anyway top suspects are Arc, Alice, Srceenplay but I'm not lynching Srceenplay today.

Implicitly in his last post.
It never sounded like he was really claiming vig.

And you're just letting him get away with it? Why is Arc scummier than Srceenplay?

Shoot srceenplay you derp.

Arc claim please?

[Lovebird]

I guess kind of a scummy intro. Kind of a lot about roles / mechanics.

[Lovebird]

Love seems ok? Idk how to read this player yet so PoE will have to do here.
TChill I seemed to like which is concerning given he's pinged me hard as town before. I dislike his emphasis on the lack of reads people should jave rather than trying to generate some so maybe he is town after all.
Arc seems overly frustrated but I think that would be easier to read in real time rather than in hindsight.
Not liking Alice at all for a clear lack of sorting and snide remarks.
Hopkirk better be town because I need at least one town read and he's been scum in every other game I've been with him in.
Fumuki seemed like a towny replace out is that who alice replaced?

Anyway top suspects are Arc, Alice, Srceenplay but I'm not lynching Srceenplay today.

Doesn't seem that indepth tbh. Alice, Hopkirk, Fumuki in particular, I mean. Arc too.

[Lovebird]

Explain those ones, cheeky?

Btw, if cheeky scum then Alice is town.

[Lovebird]

Fumuki seemed like a towny replace out is that who alice replaced?

It's this.

[Lovebird]

It's as in depth as it could be given the state of the game imo. Mech spec is not my strong suit but given the first wagon of the day ending up effing over town I gave my two cents.

What's up with the cheeky/alice association? You do realise that thier vote was on me when it looked like I wouldn't show up right?

*notes Alice/Love association*

Do you have a problem with associations based on you flipping scum?

[Lovebird]

Lol.

"Join the 'Cheeky Flipping Scum Association of America!'"

[Lovebird]

Btw, reread the duck. He can still be scum.

[Lovebird]

Fumuki seemed like a towny replace out is that who alice replaced?

It's this.

I don't get it? I think I was wrong and the worst replaced that slot.

If you two are scum together, you don't forget the replacement thing. Don't think it's faked? When I've seen things like this before they're never faked.

It's as in depth as it could be given the state of the game imo. Mech spec is not my strong suit but given the first wagon of the day ending up effing over town I gave my two cents.

What's up with the cheeky/alice association? You do realise that thier vote was on me when it looked like I wouldn't show up right?

*notes Alice/Love association*

Do you have a problem with associations based on you flipping scum?

Wut? I have problems with associations that don't make sense to me. When I flip I don't want Alice to be automatically read as one alignment or another without due cause.

But in this case it only applies if you flip scum?

[Lovebird]

gun to my head ark and cheeky are most likely to be scum atm.

hop is town for now.

screen hard null.

Agree with these.

[Lovebird]

So you're saying when I flip town they're scum right?

If cheeky is scum, Alice is town.

[Lovebird]

Why is everyone blind to srceenplay?

He has scummy style I think, so lots is NAI.

[Lovebird]

Sorry, I guess.

[Lovebird]

I'd lynch Srceen > Cheeky atm

Why?

Hop/Tchill are cool. Lovebird tbc

Tbc?

[Lovebird]

Eff your apology. Try reading insteading of stirring up existing paranoia. I can empathise with Arc now.

VOTE: The worst stop sheeping me.

Towny

[Lovebird]

I'd lynch Srceen > Cheeky atm

Why?

Hop/Tchill are cool. Lovebird tbc

Tbc?

I think he's scummier

Why?

And, why do you scumread cheeky?

[Lovebird]

I think I rather lynch arc today.

[Lovebird]

Know how when you take a test and change your answer it's usually you were right at first?

[Lovebird]

From wagon looks like cheeky only scumpartner is arc or worst anyways.

[Lovebird]

I guess Alice could be cheeky partner too.

[Lovebird]

I guess Alice could be cheeky partner too.

Just from vote timing, that is. Still had that thing from earlier.

[Lovebird]

That thing being the associative. If that wasn't clear.

[Lovebird]

Havo could be scum.

[Lovebird]

Don't think scum would be bussing cheeky.

[Lovebird]

Not really.

[Lovebird]

Seems kind of like death sentence.

[Lovebird]

I think I rather lynch arc today.

Your thoughts on Not Mafia?

Idk. Maybe slightly townier than random.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: CheekyTeeky, L-1

Don't hammer.

[Lovebird]

Oh it's Havo/Alice

Explain? Feels like you're looking for viable wagon.

[Lovebird]

I think I rather lynch arc today.

Your thoughts on Not Mafia?

Idk. Maybe slightly townier than random.

So you’re saying he has the ISO of a slightly town player?

He has the ISO of a slightly town Not Mafia, I think.

[Lovebird]

Mod can you prod alice and arc

[Lovebird]

UNVOTE:

[Lovebird]

Reaction test over.

[Lovebird]

No I don't think it's TChill...more likely Love/Havo. Love keeps flip flopping on me said I was towny like a page ago and now puts me to L-1 when we move on Havo.

I say you had a towny post, not that you're town. No flip flop there.

[Lovebird]

Wtf why is the Arc wagon gone

VOTE: Arcangel

[Lovebird]

Idk why you're all scumreading Alice. Strong reads? Doesn't seem scummy

[Lovebird]

Let’s just vote Alice and move on.

Havo maybe tomorrow. Idk

Scummy

[Lovebird]

Slight Town leans to -

Hop
Love
TheWorst

Just above null

Tchill
Alice

Null on

Screen
NM

Lean scummy

Cheeky

That’s a vague look at where I’m at at the moment. Subject to change of course.

I would put Arc in that null group.

Towny?

Why is worst towny to you

[Lovebird]

VOTE: the worst

[Lovebird]

Why is alice wagon growing but she's not even here?

[Lovebird]

VOTE: the worst

Any reason behind this?

Look at scum stone walling the Alice wagon.

Look at scum stone walling my stone wall.

[Lovebird]

Havo: Alice or Arc?

I like Alice as town more than Arc for Day 1 15 pages in.
But I don’t feel great about it.

There’s not much at all going on that I feel good about actually.

Havo: Alice or Arc?

I like Alice as town more than Arc for Day 1 15 pages in.
But I don’t feel great about it.

There’s not much at all going on that I feel good about actually.

Yeah. Going back and looking at ISOs I like Alice as town way more than Arc right now.

Slight Town leans to -

Hop
Love
TheWorst

Just above null

Tchill
Alice

Null on

Screen
NM

Lean scummy

Cheeky

That’s a vague look at where I’m at at the moment. Subject to change of course.

@ARC
262- Sorting.
373- There's two people whose name start with A and I said 'I think this A did what you mentioned'. What changed about what?
377- I'm a vig. You said you think I'm scum earlier. I could shoot you tonight. How confident are you that I'm not really a vig?

Havo/Arc/Alice are potential lynched for me right now.

I’d be good voting Alice/Arc/Cheeky/Screen or NM tbh.

VOTE: alice

That’s L-1.

I don’t know how much I’ll be around this weekend.

This game is moving at a snails pace anyway.

[Lovebird]

What changed?

[Lovebird]

You're all ignoring the duck. And the duck is ignoring this game.

[Lovebird]

Not_Mafia

Srceenplay
CheekyTeeky
Havo
ArcAngel9
The Worst

Lovebird

AliceRaider45

Tchill13

Hopkirk

I think this looks good.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Alice

AliceRaider45 (4)-Hopkirk, Tchill13, Srceenplay, CheekyTeeky
CheekyTeeky (3)-AliceRaider45, Havo, ArcAngel9
ArcAngel9 (1)-The Worst
The Worst (1)-Lovebird
Havo (1)-Not_Mafia
With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-26 00:05:00)

going to start looking for an Alice replace

VOTE: alice

That’s L-1.

I don’t know how much I’ll be around this weekend.

This game is moving at a snails pace anyway.

VOTE: Havo 1/21 then?

Hmm

[Lovebird]

Cheeky Alice works as scumteam actually.

[Lovebird]

Why is NM crossed off of it.

Night 0 cop check

[Lovebird]

GUYS LYNCH HAVO.

Love why don't you go analyse my voting pattern and posts and try again.

Idk what you expect me to find.

[Lovebird]

Ok, I guess I could lynch cheeky today. I only think alice is scum if cheeky is scum, so makes more sense to me to lynch cheeky first.

And, if I die, don't ignore the duck.

[Lovebird]

Would first time scum Havo avoid RVS intentionally?

Havo replaced in

[Lovebird]

Doesn't havo do day one quickhammer thing

What happened to that

[Lovebird]

Eh I really can't be bothered with this game. Im pretty sure Havo/TChill is where it's at. I voted Alice to sheep Srceenplay because if she flipped town thats a guilty on Screenplay imo.

Don't understand why.

For any of that.

[Lovebird]

What?

[Lovebird]

Hey you know what'd be nice? If we caught one scum instead of trying to catch teams

The duck

[Lovebird]

But, I still think Cheeky wagon makes more sense than Alice wagon. Cheeky scum could resist an alice wagon even if alice is town. Scum do it a lot.

[Lovebird]

Still don't know why people scumreading alice.

[Lovebird]

11. To recognize that during twilight, the lynched player (if there is one) cannot talk during Twilight , and that no further votes and unvotes will count. Living players may continue to post.

Interesting rule

[Lovebird]

I don't want alice lynched until we get a replacement it's pretty simple logic really.

Makes sense

But, you saying you still scumread alice?

[Lovebird]

Hopkirk and Srceenplay do you stand by your vig claims? If so I'm not lynching either and you can sort out who is lying tonight unless scum RB also exists then glgl us. Gun to my head srceenplay is likely scum of the two. Claiming an SK and vig in a 10p game is beyond lolworthy.

Love seems ok? Idk how to read this player yet so PoE will have to do here.
TChill I seemed to like which is concerning given he's pinged me hard as town before. I dislike his emphasis on the lack of reads people should jave rather than trying to generate some so maybe he is town after all.
Arc seems overly frustrated but I think that would be easier to read in real time rather than in hindsight.
Not liking Alice at all for a clear lack of sorting and snide remarks.
Hopkirk better be town because I need at least one town read and he's been scum in every other game I've been with him in.
Fumuki seemed like a towny replace out is that who alice replaced?

Anyway top suspects are Arc, Alice, Srceenplay but I'm not lynching Srceenplay today.

I'd lynch Alice. Is that your order captain?

Oh it's Havo/Alice

Hop do you think Havo > Alice given there's no reason to TR Alice and her vote on me therefore likely tmi?

Why is Havo's vote worse than screens?

I don't think Srceenplay is as ballsy as he has been as scum. The only thing that makes me wonder is his jump off the Arc wagon onto me then back again...likely a case of too scummy to be scum looking at his ISO maybe? I have no idea how to read him some help would be great and the majority of people don't seem to care so WOTC?

Havo came in and jumped on without a great explanation then stretched to justify her vote. It didn't bother me until the stretch tbh. Why would you try to tone read someone you have no experience with? Possible I was intended as a counterwagon to Arc but idk about Arc scum either.

Alice I can wait on the replacement or update. Didn't like that they put a vote on me when it looked like I wasn't showing up instead of somewhere useful.

So are we lynching Alice now?

Eh I really can't be bothered with this game. Im pretty sure Havo/TChill is where it's at. I voted Alice to sheep Srceenplay because if she flipped town thats a guilty on Screenplay imo.

I don't want alice lynched until we get a replacement it's pretty simple logic really.

[Lovebird]

I don't want alice lynched until we get a replacement it's pretty simple logic really.

Makes sense

But, you saying you still scumread alice?

I've already talked about why Havo > Alice and reasons. Hence why I suggest reviewing my ISO instead of blindly pushing me when you clearly have no idea.

I looked at your iso. I guess I still can't find why you scumread alice, unless it's still the first thing there.

[Lovebird]

Still don't understand your position on alice.

[Lovebird]

Ok

[Lovebird]

Hi

[Lovebird]

Wtf?????

[Lovebird]

Come back

[Lovebird]

UnaBombaH (1)-Not_Mafia
CheekyTeeky (4)-UnaBombaH, ArcAngel9, Srceenplay, Tchill13
Havo (1)-CheekyTeeky
ArcAngel9 (1)-The Worst
The Worst (1)-Lovebird

not voting: Hopkirk

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-27 00:05:00)

Partner bussing cheeky? Or maybe worst is scum with cheeky. Hopkirk scum was intersting, didn't think about that.

[Lovebird]

how can I help?

Where's the duck

[Lovebird]

Theres no duck

[Lovebird]

Idk.

VOTE: Cheeky

L-1

[Lovebird]

UNVOTE:

[Lovebird]

Arc should claim. Hop should be shooting there anyways.

[Lovebird]

Uh no. Arc shouldn't claim. Hop can decide for himself where to shoot.

Ok. But don't you think the person hop shoots should claim

[Lovebird]

Who do you think hop should shoot?

[Lovebird]

No because he should decide who to shoot after the lynch, unless you want everyone to claim? If you leash his shot scum can decide not to kill him as he'll be high utility to them. Why are you trying to leash his shot? He's not stupid.

What?

[Lovebird]

That doesn't make sense to me. Why would everyone claim? Just the person he decides to shoot. So we don't hit a power role.

[Lovebird]

And, I guess you could call it "leashing" the shot. Just feel like arc is scummiest. And, everyone agrees. So, makes sense to me to use vig as second lynch. And, when you lynch the person claims. So.

[Lovebird]

Well. Most seem to agree.

[Lovebird]

Ok, that makes me feel better about voting you. But, still want to hear from hop or arc first.

[Lovebird]

"Scum claim" lol.

This is ignorant town more than likely. I don't think scum tiptoe getting people to claim like that. It's too obvious.

Wtf. I don't see why it's ignorant. We obviously don't want to hit power roles with vig? Just makes sense to me if we agree that arc should be shot.

[Lovebird]

Yay, duck.

Still think you're scummy though.

[Lovebird]

Ok, even if you don't think arc should be shot, the shot person should claim, right?

[Lovebird]

Ok, even if you don't think arc should be shot, the shot person should claim, right?

Seriously what is wrong with you lol.

Omfg. I hope you flip scum so you're just messing with me here.

[Lovebird]

Yeah. We've had 2 claims today why not have a 3rd and 4th?

Why not let scum have as much information as possible day 1?

Scum get a free kill if we decide a townie should be shot. Then they can plan around it.

If we decide scum should be shot they can plan for that.

Then you have the wifom potential for scum to manipulate if we decide who is shot.

Please stop acting like more people should claim.

I thought we only had one claim today

Ok, fine. Whatever. Makes sense to me.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Cheeky

[Lovebird]

Ok

[Lovebird]

I don't get the screen kill

[Lovebird]

Not_Mafia

Havo
ArcAngel9

The Worst

Lovebird

UnaBomah

Tchill13

Hopkirk

I reread thread a little bit over night. Una and Tchill maybe wrong.

[Lovebird]

VOTE: Arcangel

[Lovebird]

I guess could vote Havo. Already made the mistake of changing answer on test with Cheeky though.

[Lovebird]

CheekyTeeky (6)-UnaBombaH, ArcAngel9, Srceenplay, Tchill13, Lovebird, the worst - LYNCH
Lovebird (1)-Cheekyteeky
Havo (1)-Not_Mafia

not voting: Hopkirk

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Cheeky Teeky has been lynched. They were a

Vanilla Townie

It is now night. I will be getting Nero to lock the thread asap. Do NOT post in this thread.

(expired on 2018-04-24 00:05:00)

Wheres havo

[Lovebird]

Why write off Una or NM?

Theyre town I think

[Lovebird]

I guess NM less towny than I thought.

[Lovebird]

UNVOTE:

[Lovebird]

no. im stating its worse for us to just lynch someone, havo included, without discussing things.

VOTE: arc

Wtf

[Lovebird]

I still think tchill is town for his concern about nm. Though, maybe it's faked with that l1 vote there.

[Lovebird]

Ok I'll entertain you.
I don't see a reason for Hop to be lying here. :/ do you think he would "troll"? Why?

Saying troll instead of scum could be scum knowing hop is town. TMI.

[Lovebird]

Idk. Still think arc is scum. Just, the lynch doesn't feel right. Not enough happened today.

[Lovebird]

Let's try it

VOTE: havo

[Lovebird]

Mod vla for two days

[Lovebird]

Maybe should reconsider arc scumread.

[Lovebird]

Ducky isn't scum. Neither is tchill I think. Looking again at arc posting today.

[Lovebird]

Ok. Arc might be town, same with havo. But, then feels like I have too many townreads. Una / hop?

[Lovebird]

Havo
ArcAngel9
UnaBomah
Hopkirk

All scum here I think.

[Lovebird]

Tchill - Stong Town

Spoiler:

I have played quite a few games with Tchill and found that we play and think a lot a like. Also think he's a strong/solid player, so I tend to give these types of players more slack on Days 1 and 2. Meaning I'm in no rush to lynch them unless something seems really off. I can usually read him by day 3 also.

So far he's been pretty typical and hasn't pinged me scum wise.

926- here Tchill sees the same Red Flag I saw, this happens a lot when he's town.
935- another town post by Tchill.

I feel good about my TR on him.

Love - Town -

Spoiler:

I felt good about Love on Day 1. And then Love starts Day 2 with 735, which was my exact thoughts also.
818, not at all crazy about the vote park and then going V/LA, but I think 815 & 817 are towny posts.

Una - Lean Town

Spoiler:

892 I like the post overall, feels very towny to me.
893 I can empathize with this.
945 I agree with the thought here, hit me similar
982 again, same thoughts.

The Worst - Null

Spoiler:

Day 1 my impressions were mainly town for him, and I felt pretty good about it.

But Day 2 has been a different beast. Lets start with this - 712 Here I ask him what's up?
He votes me right out of the gate with no reasoning. This isn't RVS anymore. He ignores my question and
posts - 730, again, pushes me with no reason given. 751, claims to have missed
the question, but still only answers the first question and with "I changed my mind".
Really? OK, he obviously doesn't feel the need to explain "Why" he changed his mind.
He's voting me, but he's not interacting with me when he has the chance. He's not sorting me,
in fact he's avoiding the chance too.

802, here he unvotes and asks Arc why he got vote piled so Hard? Yet he's the third vote on the Arc wagon, which
is the vote that gets the momentum going. The third vote actually give the wagon some seriousness and gets it over the
top of the hill so to speak. This looks fake as hell to me, fake scum hunting. Why is he interacting with Arc here but chose to ignore the
chance to interact with me?

820 claims he voted early to take a Stance, Really? Usually when one takes a stance in a Mafia game he has valid reasons to
back up his stance. He has yet to post any valid reasons for his stance on Havo.

900 asks NM "Why must Havo die?", but has yet to explain his own push on Havo.

All of this doesn't make The Worst scum, but it puts him back at Null for me.

NotMafia - Null/IDK -

Not a fan of his play style and haven't agreed with many of his votes.

Hop - Null/IDK

Spoiler:

This one is tougher for me. I know Hop is a strong player and like Tchill I tend to give those players more leeway the first couple of days. I felt alright about Hop Day 1 but nothing solid. I just finished a game with him where he was town and played very well. This game however seems different, he's not as active and not giving me the same vibes. Now there's lots of reasons for not being as active but it's just starting to feel off.

I'm not crazy about his claim of 1 shot Vig, it's such an easy role to fake as scum and then his confusion about if his shot would be used up felt weird to me.He's come up with some kind of test to read players, (Which I really hope is legit btw) which has cleared Myself and Tchill as town to him. This seems too good to be true and quite silly for a mafia game to backup reads. I feel this could be an attempt to pocket us or at least myself.

957, Here he openly states problems with his claim, I get WIFOM vibes, but at the end he states "Screen was clearly the mafia kill", again bad vibes from this. There's been a few of us that found the screen kill weird, I don't get warm fuzzies from Hop making that statement.

958, seems like he was eager to explain his targets and dissapointed he wasn't asked, so he does it himself.

969 pushing a town block of my good TRs, feel like i'm being pocketed here.

1003, He's advocating for his lynch. WTH? Again, bad vibes.

Arc - Lean Scum

I haven't liked this slot all game and have seen nothing today to change my mind

So towny

[Lovebird]

How could UNA hop be the team?

Just that I townread everyone else. So, I guess probably wrong somewhere.

[Lovebird]

Maybe tchill push on nm isn't from town?

[Lovebird]

Hop bad lynch today I think.

[Lovebird]

Hop bad lynch today I think.

Maybe fine tomorrow though

[Lovebird]

No lynch maybe ok idea

[Lovebird]

I just want to see stuff from you that's not PoE

Not much time

[Lovebird]

Actually no lynch is bad idea. I think I want to vote una

[Lovebird]

I'm yet again busy at work, but shiet if this didn't now occupy my brain..

Scum!Hop having already claimed Vig wouldn't need to NOT claim the kill.
Srceen would've actually made even more sense as a Vig-kill, than it does as scum-kill. (IMO)
The Vig-claim would've given some protection against potential Gunsmith/Tracker/Watcher -situations, so committing the NK on Srceen AND claiming it would've been the right play for scum!Hop..RIGHT?

I tried to look at it from the opposite perspective -

WHAT REASON DOES SCUM!HOP HAVE FOR NOT CLAIMING THE KILL?

I can't think of a reason right now, especially since they haven't backpedaled on their claim at all.

True

[Lovebird]

VOTE: not mafia

[Lovebird]

This was bad idea

[Lovebird]

Yay

[Lovebird]

We still won