Mini Normal 2003: donezo

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im familiar with 3 players. should be fun.

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VOTE: hopkirk

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the point of day 1 quick hammers isn't to actually let someone claim... You just lynch them immediately. Or you could possibly out like 3 prs doing that. Defeats the purpose of you let them claim. Only before like pg 15 though.

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VOTE: arcangle

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Oh I'm terribly sorry.

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VOTE: arcangel

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Hopkrick wagon makes no sense. What the hell is going on???

Hopkrick chilled out attitude about his wagon is odd. Hopkrick - why are you not talking about your quick wagon? Aren't you going to fight against it?

I mean this seems like scum trying to look towny early.

Obviously his wagon makes no sense there's really no reason for it. Why would he fight against something that doesn't have any weight to it?

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ok we're not even on page 5 yet... come on people. come play lol.

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That's not dangerous until I start acting like I've caught the scum team plotting a diabolical scheme that is way too complex and only makes sense because I refuse to reasses the situation lol. May have done that more than I'd like to admit.

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Can I kill the bird for being the dumbest?

Die.

Lmao. I love it. The simplicity. The tone. The sheer aggressiveness.

The bird that was once full of love is now full of rage. The eyes set on a free speaking angel with no regard for how the bird feels.

Maybe the bird is just jealous you have wings too angel?...

In all seriousness that made me laugh.

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I feel very good about the fact screen hadn't done anything to establish a hard TR or SR.

That's about it.

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I'll tell you rn i don't really worry about it until there's enough content to break down someone.

There's really not enough to firmly TR or SR right now. Unless its just a tone/gut read.

Which is why im always suspicious of those eager to protruding towniness early. While it is important for town to be TR'd early game is always easiest for scum to get TR'd.

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There are no firm reasons to TR anyone yet. Very odd you have this big an issue with someone sheeping THIS EARLY in the game.

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I appreciate you doing that early opposed to later. Good luck with whatevers going on.

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Maybe screen should answer that too?

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Arc: where's scum on your wagon, where's bad players, and where's a third catagory if there is one?

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Cheeky we've played before apparently?

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so nobody is gonna play?...

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Why not shoot a low poster? Seriously.

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I'd say at least let ark answer the questions about her wagon.

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Lol hop is the only one sorting in a reasonable manner I'm not sure why you'd call him scum.

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Arc claim please?

VOTE: cheekyteeky

Like seriously that'd be the third claim day 1. Good joke.

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Do you town read srceenplay TChill?

screen is a firm null.

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gun to my head ark and cheeky are most likely to be scum atm.

hop is town for now.

screen hard null.

thats about all i got.

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We had a claim and a hard cc.

Then another claim would make 3 claims.

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Reads like a sensible person saying the obvious to me.

NM is quite trolly.

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Yes that's why I'm asking NM because he's the only one that knows if it's an overreaction or not.

Wait NM would be the only one to know if it's an overreaction?

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Well I suggest we break the streak we have for games played accusing each other NM.

Just a suggestion

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Eh. I've correctly reasessed my read on him once.

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VOTE: CheekyTeeky

Oh you idiot. Omg you lynched a townie!!!

Lol you get 0/10 for that fake hammer. But thanks for confirming you're likely town for trying.

UNVOTE:

Reaction test over.

This is my favorite sequence of posts I've ever seen on site.

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Why is Havo's vote worse than screens?

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I'm just wondering if a bad explanation with a vote is worse than no explanation with a vote.

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Ballsy scum=best scum

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Depends where we go afterwards.

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VOTE: alice

I'm willing to let NM live a day or two. I can't sort the guy on post alone I have to look at what he does with his votes and what he pushes.

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Sheesh this game is way slower than I'm used to.

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Seems to have a few hard reads early and has been asking questions without follow ups.

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Interesting that it's bad because it's "mistimed"?

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I'm not being objective? And I AM NOT misrepping you. You said specifically havo mistimed and now is doesn't look genuine. Meaning the mistiming is the most important part to you.

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Ohhhhh. Carry on lol.

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Screen this is the game where you're playing day 1 like I usually play day 1 lol.

Vote Alice. Hard stances and simple questions.

This is for screen of course havo can answer his own question.

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Here's a question. Do you think love and arc are the same alignment due to arcs attacks on love?

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I agree on screen for day 1 purposes. I would definitely shoot worst or cheeky though.

Only good TR I feel about is hopkirk.

I'm not lynching NM, havo or screen today though. I can have their slot figured out by day 3 and I feel really confident about that.

Everyone else is up for grabs.

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NMs lynch history. What he ACTUALLY pushes vs what he SAYS he's pushing.

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Probably not. Look if worst or NM continue to lurk I'll advocate for those lynches.

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I have a personal problem with the pace of this game lol.

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I agree on screen for day 1 purposes. I would definitely shoot worst or cheeky though.

Only good TR I feel about is hopkirk.

I'm not lynching NM, havo or screen today though. I can have their slot figured out by day 3 and I feel really confident about that.

Everyone else is up for grabs.

My reads are still the same.

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Why not shoot a low poster? Seriously.

Probably a good move hopkirk.

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So me/havo/hopkirk are all fine with an Alice lynch.

Why hasn't this happened yet?

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Hey arc hopkirk isn't getting lynched today. It'd be nice if you hopped on the Alice wagon.

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Who's that statement directed at?

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I've played multiple games with havo and I've yet to see him find a suitable style for day 1. Sometimes he scum hunts. Sometimes he hammers first wagon. Sometimes he lurks. He's a multiple day read. Not willing to lynch day 1 because as town he's a help.

NM is a multiple day read. He's better than he let's on. Why he trolls and lurks I could not tell you. Of the multiple day reads I'm willing to lynch him the most.

Hopkirk is a great asset to town if he's town. One of the only people that can play transparently town. Vig claiming day 1 is questionable solely because of the claim but I'm not lynching him today.

Screen is a multiple day read also. I've seen him help town too. Not lynching him today.

I could lynch cheeky or Alice.

Probably wouldn't lynch worst or love today. They don't give me scum tingles like the other two.

Ark is lean scum btw.

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Ark why is Alice town over cheeky and havo to you?

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Best case scenario we lynch one you shoot the other.

That'd be nice.

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Try me Idc.

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I'm interested to see how this goes. I'm at work you'll have to give me a minute. I'm big on meta doesn't work on me because I'm always trying to change my play, sometimes substantially, for the better. Give me a minute.

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You realize that those games were my earliest ones where I was getting first time experience right? I honestly don't think they're similar to how I play now but I want to say yes just to see how your method works. You obviously sunk a lot of time into this.

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Talk about a blast from the past. I enjoyed playing with that player named vedith. It's been so long I forgot his name but I learned a good amount from him.

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A good enough result not to strong TR ark?

I do believe putting someone at L-1 means you should be OK with their lynch. All I see from that statement is I'm not on with Alice being lynched (yet).

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I think L-2 is fine for demanding claims solely because of that.

I am always fine with day 1 ending at any time though.

Hop I'll give you 3 options I'd like to lynch from: cheeky/alice/worst

I'd rather not go into detail about anyone in particular but I will if I absolutely have to.

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Wait, wait wait a second. Are you telling me all day 1 reads should be.... Concrete?

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Cheeky Alice works as scumteam actually.

GUYS LYNCH HAVO.

Love why don't you go analyse my voting pattern and posts and try again.

Lol

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Hey you know what'd be nice? If we caught one scum instead of trying to catch teams

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So Havo's scum because he replaced in and I'm scum because I'd rather lynch someone that's gonna constantly be in my lynch pool instead of someone ik I can read in 2 day phases?

The resistance to the Alice wagon is the havo push.

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"Trying to look town while pushing a scum agenda"

What does a scum agenda look like?

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Umm. That's not why I'm lynching YOU.

It's why I'm not lynching THEM.

Good misrep.

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In fact I don't think I've laid out a solid case for you or Alice. I've simply said I'd lynch either or and I've kept my cards to myself. I've given detailed reasons why I refuse to lynch the others.

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Multiple hard stances with no explanation. Asked simple questions and didn't seem to follow up on them.

Very odd style day 1 imo.

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Lmao good luck with production. *notes down possible Srceen/theworst association*

*notes Alice/Love association*

Why is everyone blind to srceenplay?

I'd lynch Alice. Is that your order captain?

Oh it's Havo/Alice

No I don't think it's TChill...more likely Love/Havo. Love keeps flip flopping on me said I was towny like a page ago and now puts me to L-1 when we move on Havo.

Eh I really can't be bothered with this game. Im pretty sure Havo/TChill is where it's at. I voted Alice to sheep Srceenplay because if she flipped town thats a guilty on Screenplay imo.

HOW MANY ASSOCIATION READS ARE YOU GONNA HAND OUT DAY ONE?

Fling enough poo some will stick.

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What you call reactive I call... Well, reactive. No argument here.

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TChill so scum.

Tchill/havo?

Or tchill/love?

Maybe tchill/screen?

No no no.... Tchill/hopkirk right?

I think that's about half as many association reads you've thrown out before we've even caught one scum.

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I don't understand why we're focused on preflip associations. It makes scum hunting much harder on the day with the least amount of information we'll have.

Focus on one. It's much easier.

People can easily talk themselves out of a scum association due to the fact sometimes players don't associate as scum like people think they would.

Cheeky went from one team. Dropped a player. Added a whole new player. Dropped a player.

It's almost like puzzle pieces.

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Personally I think it comes from scum.

She's literally just pushing what works atm.

Like screen could definitely be scum here. Cheeky just left that push in the past.

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I think the way you keep oversimplifying my actions to scum read me is much worse.

Yeah and it won't be too long till the scum team is tchill/???

That's my point worst. Cheeky is completely changing teams for the most part. Not keeping the same people in more teams of 2 at a time.

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UNA is such a welcome addition lol.

Keep going.

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VOTE: cheeky

L -1.

UNAs slot isn't out of the woods yet but I like UNAs play so far.

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What's the argument against it other than its too fast?

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What's the problem with poison other than it poisons you?

I do believe I've gotten to the point where the only thing that matters in NM's iso is his votes lol.

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Speed can be a factor but it can't be the main point imo.

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So either the cheeky wagon is developing too fast or nobody is posting... Cool...

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I could lynch arc.

Probably goes cheeky/arc/UNA after the replace in. In that order.

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"Scum claim" lol.

This is ignorant town more than likely. I don't think scum tiptoe getting people to claim like that. It's too obvious.

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I was speaking about love.

Cheeky you've made multiple association pushes which means your focusing on the wrong thing and making it more difficult for yourself imo and you're voting anyone that's slightly scummy because you're so close to lynch. Cheeky is the lynch.

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Yeah. We've had 2 claims today why not have a 3rd and 4th?

Why not let scum have as much information as possible day 1?

Scum get a free kill if we decide a townie should be shot. Then they can plan around it.

If we decide scum should be shot they can plan for that.

Then you have the wifom potential for scum to manipulate if we decide who is shot.

Please stop acting like more people should claim.

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Lmao

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the worst is basically looking for someone to give him reaffirmation to hammer you.

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the worst is basically looking for someone to give him reaffirmation to hammer you.

please tell me if im wrong.

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if she flips town probably. if she flips scum i wouldn't think so.

what do you like about her last few post. Do not respond "just feels" so and so

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just feels wasn't directed at you in particular a lot of ppl do it.

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i think cheeky will always be in my lynch pool. Which is why im hoping she gets lynched today. Maybe NM or una is shot. Then the game gets much easier from there.

Havo is null for me. So is NM. They always are day 1.

Screen is null for me but it's because this is a different posting style than i've seen from him before.

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can living players continue to post? it says so in the rules.

(please dont force replace me lol)

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Who did you shoot at?

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VOTE: nm

Time to deal with this before we can't.

I was really hoping cheeky, UNA, and NM would all be dead by night 2. I'm pretty sure that GAURANTEED us one scum. That's gonna be a little more difficult now.

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I'd like to know who everyone thinks is scum before we put someone to L-2.

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Una would be so much more useful for sorting.
Thoughts on the worst and Havo?

I have thoughts for sure. I'd like for everyone to state who they're pushing before I dive into that, but I will definitely dive into that

Particularly interested in arks read.

I don't think ik who havo is pushing yet either.

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So right now the game is me, hop, UNA, havo, NM, the worst and arc?

NM and worst are pushing havo

I'm pushing NM

So I need hop, havo, UNA and arcs push.

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NM what if everyone played like you did as town or scum? Do you think town would ever win?

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He probably is town tbh. My argument is if he's scum we can't just let the guy play like he's playing.

Why do you think he's town? Meta. That's all you're gonna say.

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Because if I just so happened to be with that guy in lylo how tf do I legitimately scum read someone else over him IF he's town?

I didn't expect his shot to go through due to the fact he was the only PR that claimed. Screen cc'd and LIED as town, which I hate, but it seems that he may have drawn the NK, idk why else he would have been killed, so we lucked out on that.

Like I said I'll dive into everything once everyone has thrown their 2 cents in. I definitely have a theory or two.

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Meta should be used to help confirm a theory.

Meta isn't a license to play recklessly. Which it has become on this site.

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Una would be so much more useful for sorting.
Thoughts on the worst and Havo?

@Hop, your thoughts on Screen

Specifically -

Do you think Screen was the scum kill?
Why were you town reading him?

Yeah idk how screen could be TR'd off day 1 play alone.

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OK I think I just need to hear from arc now.

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Why write off Una or NM?

Theyre town I think

Why is UNA town?

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That's what I wanted to see.

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OK so UNA was called scum when she rekindled the cheeky wagon... How many people have pushed havo as scum before even mentioning UNA?

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How many people have mentioned that if you're scum and you claim vig the easiest way to get through that is to say your shot didn't go through.

If you claim one shot then you only have to explain it once. Making it a much easier fake claim.

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And how many people are OK with lynching havo rn letting NM go into day 3 without any real contributions? Just because his meta is town.

If your meta is not playing the game and only posting votes it's not a meta worth shit. NM's meta allows him to play town recklessly and scum easily. Screw that. I'm not willing to risk my game on what NM's role pm was.

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Anyways that's at least 3 important topics of discussion scum would like to avoid by lynching havo atm.

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All I'm saying is its very suspicious to me that 3 of those scenarios are a pretty big deal and all we got for day 2 was some chit chat and then voting havo. Makes me feel like havo is town for sure. His day 1 carelessness was magnified in a 10 player versus a 13 player and now he's gonna be lynched because of it? What a joke. Havo's LHF. Easy scum push to get into day 3, mylo I believe, without having talked about anything.

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Scum fake claiming one shot vig on day one at L-1 then claiming getting role blocked after being the only PR claim... Is a stretch? If scum have a role blocker He's obviously going to be blocked due to being the only PR that claimed. So it's a sensible fake claim he only has to deal with once if he's scum..

How's that gross?

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And if you want to talk about possibilities then how is havo scum more likely than UNA scum based off days 1 and 2 so far?

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I'm not ignoring it I'll answer it when I have time. I brought up a few topics and I'll speak on them as I please regardless of who's asked.

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Lol. Worst you don't see the need to explain or entertain anything. You just want to lynch havo without discussing anything.

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OK so UNA was called scum when she rekindled the cheeky wagon... How many people have pushed havo as scum before even mentioning UNA?

How many people have mentioned that if you're scum and you claim vig the easiest way to get through that is to say your shot didn't go through.

If you claim one shot then you only have to explain it once. Making it a much easier fake claim.

And how many people are OK with lynching havo rn letting NM go into day 3 without any real contributions? Just because his meta is town.

If your meta is not playing the game and only posting votes it's not a meta worth shit. NM's meta allows him to play town recklessly and scum easily. Screw that. I'm not willing to risk my game on what NM's role pm was.

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no. im stating its worse for us to just lynch someone, havo included, without discussing things.

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im gonna assume you TR hop pretty heavily to not act on a possibility AT ALL.

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So worst TR's NM and hop pretty heavily. Thats all ik about their reads.

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VOTE: arc

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I didn't think we were supposed to discuss anything today. So I just voted.

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Oh this is normal?... Cool lol.

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So in the event havo flips town you're cool with being in mylo with

Scum that possibly fake claimed vig.

NM.

UNA/people that hopped on the havo wagon without discussing anything.

That's cool right?

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Yeah I do.

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Someone brought up 2 scum. That's what I went with. It was early I do believe.

7v3 seems a little crazy imo. 2 mislynches and 2 night kills is game. I don't think that's what we're dealing with.

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Ok. Throw meta out the window. Not for the sake of pushing anyone let's just pretend meta isn't a thing.

Is NM or havo objectively scummier? Serious question. I'd like to know what your perspective is. Remember meta doesn't exist.

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Yeah that's my point. You have no meta on havo.

You're using something to clear someone of very scummy play while you push someone who isn't even half as scummy.

Havo has at least sorted a little bit. NM hasn't not.

Sorting is the key and even though havo doesn't do that much day 1 at least he does more than naked vote people.

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I never lynch someone I don't think is scum.

NM could easily be scum here. He obviously knew there was room for a havo push at the start of day 2.

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No I've seen him play differently a time or two. I'm willing to give him a chance. We're not going into day 3 with him continuing to do this though.

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Town: hop, havo

Town lean: worst, love

Scum lean:NM, arc

Scum: UNA

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And before someone asks me why I'm not voting UNA I do believe one of NM, arc is the scum partner.

If I'm wrong about a read it's probably worst. Maybe hopkirk on a long shot.

UNA/(NM/arc) seems likely

UNA/hopkirk could be a shot in the dark.

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The fact that havo wagon formed the way it did kinda confirms to me UNA is scum and havo is town.

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Havo cares about day 1 as much as I do.

Very, very little.

From my pov you're not looking at any other possibilities. At all. If you want to lynch him fine. Tell me why I MYSELF should believe havo is scum and be willing to take a bigger risk that havo is scum than NM is scum, than hopkirk fake claiming, than UNA/??? Being the scum team looking for an early havo push.

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What was your realization?

Very convenient you think I was the wrong read after I shined the light on an UNA/?.? Scum team pushing for a quick havo lynch.

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Thanks for making my case easier for me UNA.

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I mean the facts are there. You were fos'd at the end of day 1. Havo was ran up at the beginning of day 2 while no mention of UNA was made.

I wouldn't get ahead of yourself with the pride UNA. I'm pretty sure you lost the game you actually got it right didn't you? I understand you gotta push me as scum in this position.

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Thanks for making my case easier for me UNA.

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I wasn't scum until I pushed you. You're not the only one that's saying hop could be scum... I said it too. I'll vote the guy rn I don't really care. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one that brought up the fake claim argument in detail. My gut says he's town.

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Una I think you're great but the time put into this post woulda been better spent on a rudimentary read list

Not agreeing here though.
I can whip up a list based on my current feelings any time now, but I'm a few pages behind in reading, and can't format properly with my phone.

Current thoughts:
Love, N_M
Havo
The worst
Hop, Arc
Chill

OH and btw. NM and love are exactly who scum want in lylo if they're town. So nice of you that they're your hardest TR'S.

UNA/arc makes sense. UNA is pushing me. Fos'ing hop. I don't see much about arc though.

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So am I scum because of someone else's actions here or?

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VOTE: notmafia

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so you've come to a realization you cant explain to give you a certainty you cant explain.

you cant explain your hard TR of NM, you've yet to dispute the fact if nm or love are town scum would WANT them in lylo.

Arc is there with me and hop but i dont think i've seen you push arc much.

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UNA is more likely to be scum with you or mm than either you or NM being scum with each other.

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It's literally antitown for you to flip on me for townreading someone ergo operating under the assumption they're telling the truth though

Like his play is town. Night actions result in absolutes wrt info gained, or non absolutes wrt info gained. His night action resulted in non absolute information gained

Ergo I revert to believing he is town

pedit: sure, or he was roleblocked. There are plenty of mechanical ways a vig shot can fail. I am ok with my read on him and his claim.

See this made sense. I only pointed what was odd in your previous satements.

I am still missing your case on me. why do you think I am scum? because i have a whole lot of people in my wagon for no reasons. Look at that crazy bird. Its just there because it is in love with me and HAVO is on my wagon with no little reason. So did you vote me because you believe i am scum or because we had this argument.

With that said. Lets change the course of my vote.

VOTE: Havo

This one lived long enough with no reason.

This is why I think you're scum with UNA.

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@Tchill: could you explain your townread on Havo?
Haven't had a chance to do the reading there yet.

Not voting Una until I have,

I'll get back to this.

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Well I'd like to give a better reason than "I had a revelation I can't explain".

I'll be home later tonight.

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You're part of the players that pushed havo early without talking about much of anything at all.

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Nobody is really playing which is why I was excited about your replace in. Even if you replaced into school activity is always a welcome addition.

So you definitely don't think a hop/arc team is viable?

Hop/NM or worst?

It has to be hop and me?

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this is freaking hopeless tbh.

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Havo isn't a very familiar player to me, so I can't sort them as easily as I feel like I can with you/N_M/Srceen.
I think Havo is the one with the most surprise-potential, but I don't see them as scum as of now..

Maybe I should just succumb to the pressure and we lynch him today, but I assume there's very little to no chance tomorrow isn't a MyLo though?
And I don't want to be alive tomorrow unless we lynch in Chill/Hop/Arc today.

Hop is the lynch. You continue to not give reasons as to why you're willing to lynch them. You're throwing them in there for distance.

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Arc lol not hop.

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I don't think N_M is mafia here, similarly how I thought Srceen was obv.town. (#meta or whatever)
Arc CAN be scum, I thought so yesterday too, but I feel that Hop is almost surely scum.
This is more of a "mechanical" read, since I feel like
A) his Vig-claim D1 wasn't towny
B) his N1-result was lackluster (although I knew it would be, ahead of time)
C) outside of his claim, he hasn't been massively towny either. (but then again, we have very few obvious townies in game at all)
This means that it's a pairing of Hop+? for me.
Like I said at the start of the day, Arc would've made sense based solely on D1 votes and wagons, when looking for someone who had reasons to kill Srceen, but I think you might have had a motivation for that too.
I think Srceen might be able to tell your scumgame apart from your towngame, so he would've been a threat.

AS I SAID BEFORE... Meta isn't a good way to read me at all.

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For some reason I don't want to kill Arc with fire rn

it because you're the worst. hehehe

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im more confident playing with ppl that have history with me if im scum. Easier for me to manipulate them due to "I know tchill" factor because meta is a license to get away with anything if used correctly.

*points at NM*

[Tchill13]

no, ive never linked games. i reassessed my read on him once and it was in a multi factional game.

Me and him got into it once. He thinks i like to be the hero. Probably why he's not giving me much attention here.

[Tchill13]

So right now the game is me, hop, UNA, havo, NM, the worst and arc?

NM and worst are pushing havo

I'm pushing NM

So I need hop, havo, UNA and arcs push.

@ARC
262- Sorting.
373- There's two people whose name start with A and I said 'I think this A did what you mentioned'. What changed about what?
377- I'm a vig. You said you think I'm scum earlier. I could shoot you tonight. How confident are you that I'm not really a vig?

Havo/Arc/Alice are potential lynched for me right now.

I’d be good voting Alice/Arc/Cheeky/Screen or NM tbh.

Una/Arc/NM

Nothing has changed for me other than Una replacing in. So here’s my short list for now.

@Hopkirk.

Havo's line of thought is similar to mine. HE's been continually suspicious of arc. He's fos'ed una. He town reads you.

thats pretty much the 3 important reads imo.

Love and worst might as well not even be participating which is why im scared to death of them getting to mylo. They're just sliding by. That being said i think the team is arc/una.

Theres 4 legitimate scum options from my eyes. 2 with play that seems to be long term, scum motivated. 2 lurkers.

[Tchill13]

not worst NM.

[Tchill13]

Worst is null. I cant sort the guy. He's a little flippy floppy but id like to say thats town because i dont see long term motivation from his play.

[Tchill13]

You know love and NM but you have more difficulty reading love? Lol

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also...

@Hopkirk.

You and love heavily Fos'ed havo before the cheeky lynch.

Cheeky literally said "when i flip please look into havo"

NM was dead set on havo.

Now una replaces in, instead of pushing havo una pushes cheeky (a wagon that had already formed and died.)

Very easy for scum! Una to see if they can lynch cheeky day 1 they can lynch havo day 2. Wouldn't you agree?

This among my other reasoning for believing havo is town makes me feel really good about the idea scum felt comfortable with havo being the day 2 lynch by the end of day 1.

[Tchill13]

Screenplay has died n1. He was a

vanilla townie

.

Deadline for d2 is May 8th @ 1:00 pm or (expired on 2018-05-08 01:10:00) With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

VOTE: Havo

VOTE: Havo (cado)

Good vote for now

Boom. not very long after the day starts havo has 2 votes on him after little discussion form the players voting him.

This is what opens the door to the idea of Scum! Worst.

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@everyone else

Thoughts on the worst please. He is acting like 10 year old.

Like he fired at me and the shot clearly failed.
I am reaffirming that I don't mistrust Hopkirk here, I think he's town.

How do you know that he shot you for sure and failed? he could be trolling.

THE WORST - ANSWER THIS!!

Arc did you read this?

Is there something specific in this that i should focus on? apart of you liking Hop as town?

Great minds.

I went searching for the post and sitechat distracted me.

Can you answer my question?

It's literally antitown for you to flip on me for townreading someone ergo operating under the assumption they're telling the truth though

Like his play is town. Night actions result in absolutes wrt info gained, or non absolutes wrt info gained. His night action resulted in non absolute information gained

Ergo I revert to believing he is town

pedit: sure, or he was roleblocked. There are plenty of mechanical ways a vig shot can fail. I am ok with my read on him and his claim.

See this made sense. I only pointed what was odd in your previous satements.

I am still missing your case on me. why do you think I am scum? because i have a whole lot of people in my wagon for no reasons. Look at that crazy bird. Its just there because it is in love with me and HAVO is on my wagon with no little reason. So did you vote me because you believe i am scum or because we had this argument.

With that said. Lets change the course of my vote.

VOTE: Havo

This one lived long enough with no reason.

Arcs day 2 is made up of a little sorting/a little banter with the worst.

then a havo vote of course. Puts havo at L-2. I alreeady scum read Arc. This lines up with una/Arc.

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How many people have mentioned that if you're scum and you claim vig the easiest way to get through that is to say your shot didn't go through.

If you claim one shot then you only have to explain it once. Making it a much easier fake claim.

as far as im concerned this was the fisrt mention of the hop possible fake claim.

HAVO WAS ALREADY AT L-2.

anyone voting havo before considering this IS A MAJOR RED FLAG TO ME.

Seems like an obvious quick lynch trying to be pushed through.

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I didn't expect his shot to go through due to the fact he was the only PR that claimed.

Screen cc'd and LIED as town, which I hate, but it seems that he may have drawn the NK, idk why else he would have been killed

, so we lucked out on that.

I think this is somewhat flawed.
Out of the two of them Srceen is the one who retracted the claim.
Hopkirk didn't, and in fact talked about who his shot would be all the time.
I am, however, giving Hop the benefit of the doubt for today, and assume he was RB'd then, but then that confirms Srceen as a scumkill.. (I mean, I know there's likely no alternative anyway)

Scum would only ever shoot Srceen in this game for one of two reasons - their reads were worryingly good(?), or they thought he was actually a PR.(??)
I for one can't believe he was actually ever considered a PR-threat after claiming Vig D1 (even if he retracted), so I guess at least one of his scumreads must've been good, or one of his SOLID TOWNREADS WAS BAD.
Now, from my PoV, this sort of streamlines things, as

Srceen only ever voted for Cheeky(town), me(town) and Arc.

VOTE: Arc

you seem to only vote Arc because Screen voted him correct? So scum killed screen because Screen was suspicious of them. Screen voted you too?

flawed logic.

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Scum fake claiming one shot vig on day one at L-1 then claiming getting role blocked after being the only PR claim... Is a stretch? If scum have a role blocker He's obviously going to be blocked due to being the only PR that claimed. So it's a sensible fake claim he only has to deal with once if he's scum..

How's that gross?

Literally ignores the fuck out of my question
Why are you answering for arc

I dont see any reason to entertain that theory tho lol

Like sure if he presents as a scumfuck later that is fine but does anyone think he is scum? Paranoia for the sake of it is st00pid

see from my pov a hop/worst scum team should be way more considerable than a hop/tchill scum team from UNA's pov.

not one mention of that.

why would una want me dead instead of worst if una was scum?

Una already mentioned experience with me. Seems a little agitated he called me out as scum once and had to watch me win anyways. Maybe thats what he's trying to do to me here

[Tchill13]

Guys, im going for the pagetop.

ArcAngel9 (4)-Lovebird, Havo, the worst, UnaBombaH
Havo (2)-Not_Mafia, ArcAngel9
Not_Mafia (1)-Tchill13


Not Voting: Hopkirk


Deadline for d2 is May 8th @ 1:00 pm or (expired on 2018-05-08 01:10:00) With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Adding tchill to the "could kill with fire" pool.

UNVOTE:
@Arc why do you think you got votepiled so hard?
@Hop and NM if u feel like it--thoughts on Arc + Arcwagon?

Worst put NM at L-2, opens the door for arc to actually be lynched, then proceeds to ask

"why do you think votes were put on you?"

what the heck kinda question is that???

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the whole "YOUR TOWNREAD ON HOP COULD BE WRONG BECAUSE OF (possible mechanical explanation)" thing is gross. If I haven"t made myself clear enough here lmk and I'll vent it out.

@una

like seriously if you think hop could be scum why wouldn't worst be an option for a scum partner with hop?

are you blatantly ignoring his defense of Hop?

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@Arc why do you think you got votepiled so hard?

Lovebird seem to have some personal grude on me
You being you
Havo & Um - One of the has to be scum here!

There you go! Easy peasy!

another possible distancing from the una/arc team.

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Most to least likely

Una/Arc
Una/Worst
Una/Hop
Una/NM

Hop/Worst
Hop/NM

Love and havo are my TR's.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

[Tchill13]

VOTE: hopkirk

if hop is town Una is scum (due to Una pushing hop) if hop is scum the worst is most likely the partner.

gives us a VERY good direction to go whether flipping town or scum. Of course i think he's scum.

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Very easy for scum! Una to see if they can lynch cheeky day 1 they can lynch havo day 2. Wouldn't you agree?

BUT THEN THERE's THE PROBLEM OF ME NOT ACTUALLY WANTING TO LYNCH HAVO!!!

It feels like you're trying slide this narrative by every chance ypu get..

there's also a problem of you not mentioning worst is a possible partner with hop.

I could see why BOTH scum wouldn't want to push the designated mislynch heading into mylo. Arc is there though.

[Tchill13]

why am i town now without the mention of worst being the scum partner with hop?

[Tchill13]

Arcs day 2 is made up of a little sorting/a little banter with the worst.

then a havo vote of course. Puts havo at L-2. I alreeady scum read Arc. This lines up with una/Arc.

I also scum read Una and voted her. why are you ignoring that?

i do believe the height of una's wagon is 2 votes while your vote is there. hardly dangerous. Distancing is a thing.

[Tchill13]

basically if hop flips scum the team is

hop/worst

hop isn't gonna claim at L-1 anyways because he already has.

The other option is running una up to L-1 then he possibly fake claiming, causing more confusion and avoiding being the lynch today.

If hop is town the team is

Una/arc

[Tchill13]

@havo and love

what do you think is more likely?

una/arc or hop/worst?

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@hop

im gonna need a better explanation than "he wouldn't hard tr me" for worst not to be scum with you.

we were just arguing about the likelihood its a 2 scum scum team weren't we? Wouldn't scum be less willing to bus because of this?

thats why im stuck. Im either looking at a team thats bussing/distancing or looking at a team thats hard defending.

there's a reason im leaning towards the team thats hard defending. It's because there's probably only 2 scum.

if there's no vig we're looking at 8v2

6v2

4v2 (mylo)

3v2 (assuming no lynch)

at least 3 day phases seems viable to me. 4 if we no lynch or if a protective saves the nk. I think its completely possible for a 2 man scum team even if there is no vig.

[Tchill13]

Quite the interrogation of worst we have going on right here.

[Tchill13]

OK who's ready to lynch hopkirk?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: theworst

[Tchill13]

It's actually plausible that theworst is scum with UNA or hopkirk, my 2 biggest scum reads. So I feel like this hits scum for sure then we can decide who of UNA and hopkirk is actually scum.

[Tchill13]

I understand irl. I just wish it was more active.

[Tchill13]

Pretty interesting that you're putting your foot Down on that.

Why is it so important we lynch hop?

[Tchill13]

OK that looks like an argument FOR lynching you. What's the argument against your lynch?

[Tchill13]

Well...if I had to choose town from your group hopkirk I'd be most comfortable saying NM... Sadly...

The claim thing is tricky. I understand that coming from a town mindset. If you're scum though you're asking me to push a lynch through regardless of claim unless there's proof. That's sketchy considering you're probably scum.

I don't understand why a "theworst" lynch is so bad here.

[Tchill13]

So if we no lynch today and Scums kill goes through tomorrow is lylo right?

[Tchill13]

So assuming it's 2 where would we be at tomorrow if we no lynched but scum night killed?

[Tchill13]

I don't like it tbh. I don't like giving scum a free night kill before we absolutely have to. If town is so screwed up to the point where that's an option it's because townies aren't playing well. Not because Scums playing great.

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It's not anti town.

One of UNA or hopkirk is scum.

You're the only possible candidate that could be scum with BOTH players.

Leaving you alive is anti town.

[Tchill13]

Well maybe you're the bad town.

I just know towns playing like shit this game. They have to be for us to be this confused.

[Tchill13]

Worst/hop
Una/arc
Worst/UNA

That's the likelihood of the scum teams with actual reasoning and play behind their possibility. NM is seriously null.

[Tchill13]

Una/arc

[Tchill13]

Are you even pushing anyone?

[Tchill13]

So basically just me and UNA?

[Tchill13]

And to be clear you'd rather risk one of your TR's dying than trying to lynch me or UNA?

Exactly my point. The door is consistently just open enough to leave a worst/UNA scum team on the board.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: theworst

[Tchill13]

How could UNA hop be the team?

[Tchill13]

I just want to see stuff from you that's not PoE

[Tchill13]

Arc can you come in here and give some analysis?

[Tchill13]

That's cute.

[Tchill13]

I want to be clear with what UNA just said

IF WE DECIDE THERE'S A NO LYNCH EITHER TODAY OR TOMORROW. SCUM HAVE NO REASON TO PUSH FOR A WINS TOMORROW.

The more we plan out as town the more scum get to plan out also. No reason to think scum HAVE to push for a win tomorrow especially if we're planning for them not to be able to.

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I COULD lynch NM.

I'd like to go into mylo being able to focus on one of UNA/arc or hop/worst.

If the team is NM/??? Then we are screwed unless we lynch NM today.

If hop claimed and scum made a NK that didn't make sense why not wifom it up as the 1 shot vig? Hop is not "mechanically" cleared.