Mini Normal 2009: Day 6

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I’ll link when i’m Not at work.

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gus

take me through your thinking on bbt again please?

you mention his death tunnel on voyc but not a great deal else

i am pretty confident he is town, but voyc could go either way i guess, town can be wrong

im also wary that i once pushed morality out of a game because he was trying to enlist people to lynch a particular player, which i thought was him directing a mislynch. i cant remember weather he was right or wrong about the person he was after, but the slot was town... so i guess i didnt recognise the role of town leader in that game, which i think bbt was trying to do here


whilst he could be wrong, im not scum reading him rn

I was correct on like 65%. However Rb was in the game, and I was going to get overly toxic for non game related reasons so i opted out.

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the point was more that trying to push the voyc lynch through isnt necessarily scum - even if voyc ended up being town.

Accurate point. I get what you mean. I think BBT was town here doing said thing you talked about regardless of Voyc alignment.

I’m actually leaning towards it being more likely TownBBT wasn’t pushing Townvoyc

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BBT trusts me though and hard town read me when I was pretty hard pushing him. That’s not a thing scumBBT does.

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Zero reasoning townProfii could see me as scum. Absolutely zero.

VOTE: Profii

Unah, you’re town if Profii’s scum, I presume.

I’m done with this day phase and if the day phase isn’t done by the time I need to post, imma be force replaced.

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Wilky has no reason to defend. Wilky’s Town. Profii is lockscum.

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Voyc, NM, MC, Wilky, Unah, Morality, ManWithNoName, Gustavo are town.

The rest are conf scum.

This game is legit solved.

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It’s arc, HeWhoSwims, and Profii.

Profii is chainsawing

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And Gustavo is just too surface level of a player.

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@Unah - I should be incredibly obv town by now based on all my flip flopping to you

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I’ve been hard defending the slot since day 1, so nice try with that.

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I also actively moved off HWS to allow day to go on longer, so you’d have to assume that’s a partner. All your logic is incredibly flawed.


@Gus - Poe is all i need for that

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Replace me out

Can’t be fucking with this right now. Going out of town for four days, and this is gonna need to get spicy.

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I lost the will to play this game once BBT replaced out, and this is my only game on site, so I’ll be offsite for a week or two.

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Later.

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Replace me out

Can’t be fucking with this right now. Going out of town for four days, and this is gonna need to get spicy.

No. Don’t you come in here and ruin the game and replace out. Your setting up your replacement to be lynched.

This is false. My slot is absolutely not getting lynched, even if I stayed. I just got a film crew gig for at least 4 days.

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I can stay if y’all desperate for some more BoonTime.

But I’ll be VLA for like 5 days, and then will probably take a while to catch up.

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Replace me out

Can’t be fucking with this right now. Going out of town for four days, and this is gonna need to get spicy.

@Nexus - just switch this to a VLA until...let’s say the 27th.

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But he apparently wants to take the game to LyLo with ne as the designated lynch for that day.
Waiting for a faked guilty even.

I literally stated that I absolutely by no means see a lylo with that 3...why do you say this...


Also, Profii hardcore has contradicted himself. I’m looking for it now, want it out before I go away for a bit.

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that boon was just being boon

exactly, boon being boon to me means he says he could be any number of power roles and you will never know if its genuine so I will always just ignore him until he sticks with a hard claim for a least a couple of pages

i looked at the morality soft claim day 1 bit

i wrote it off as a morality-ism and didn't take it seriously.

however, if i was scum, id probably assume if there is a doc, their best bet to stop a scum kill would be morality so if i was scum id avoid him for last night.
that being said, as much as morality says he is hard to mislynch, that's not my experience, so if i was scum id be happy to say i reckon a mislynch on him might happen so we don't need to worry about nk'ing someone who might be getting protection - lets take a safer bet to lower numbers


that would explain scum looking to an inactive player to kill, a safer way to ensure a kill - that could explain LA's death - i don't think anyone could have known there was a mason there - but that earned us an inno so even if morality is scum we got a side benefit in n_m


still don't fully trust morality as that isn't a super strong reason to town read but im leaning town for now a bit


obviously there is scum motivation for soft claiming but in this example id probably say morality led the scum to an inactive which is pro town tbh

This isn’t it, but in the span of 5 Profii posts he goes from stating super pro town to voting. I’ll find the contradiction.

It deals with him stating I was town replacing out in the exact same way that I was gonna replace out here, yet he pushed this one as scum (this one was only because I’m going away for a bit, though)

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Also, Profii is pushing completely off of the Texcat wagon now.

We’re lynching HWS or someone on the Texcat wagon.

@Unah - if you are town, I need you to stop being paranoid of me and show me. If you are town, that wishy washy attitude is why I haven’t been been able to town read you IF you are town.

TownUnah/TownBoon on the same page wont be beat.

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Also, every time I have a splurge of inactivity people like to push me because they feel they finally have a chance at mislynching me.

Profii, if you are town, you kinda fucked up hard.

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hes not really insulted me, he just thinks i didnt have a reason, im off to look through the iso and see if that 1288 claim checks out...

my thing is if we dont go through and check all this, we cant town and scum hunt, so sure he is throwing the AtE and threatening to replace out because he did that in a game with me previous where his slot turned out to be VT - i've not forgotton, so it actually seems scummy that he is trying to throw town-meta in front of me - LAMIST if you will

Didn’t see this before. This explains what i thought was a contradiction before.

I see Profii’s townie agenda trajectory now.

Unvote

VOTE: HeWhoSwims

I think I just want a scum lynch and a kill to POE better.

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I'm not voting for morality as long as profii is. Good luck finding the rest of the wagon needed

This is really weird if scum.

From other’s perspective, this should only make sense if both of us are scum.

My perspective, I know I am town, so I see this as anti scum agenda.

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If Gustavo is scum hiding behind this “terrible playstyle” tunnel, that’s actually pretty solid play. It’s making me town read him.

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The inactive kill still bugs me. I’m pretty sure it has more to do with protecting scum on the tex wagon. Nobody can agree who the scum on were but I’m pretty confident in this case there are 2. The most suspicious switch was you. If morality isn’t going to happen

VOTE: profli

Maybe people will vote you

Oh, maybe Profii is scum. This would explain why ScumProfii with ScumHWS started aiming towards me because obviously TownGustavo tunnels with him.

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that boon was just being boon

exactly, boon being boon to me means he says he could be any number of power roles and you will never know if its genuine so I will always just ignore him until he sticks with a hard claim for a least a couple of pages

I only do that early game. Check my late game town games I turn into a hard power house.

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@Profii - I was never going to be night killed night 1. I was pushing Not Mafia way too hard. Look at my Day 2 intro posts, I did a lot of analyzing after that.

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ArcAngel, I think I need to interact with you. Your slot I have the smallest amount of read on.

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Texcat: LA Galaxy, N_M,

MC Adore, wilky, Gustavo, UnaBombaH, profii

(L-0)[/b]
wilky: Crush
UnaBombaH: Voyc
Crush: HeWhoSwims

N_M: Morality, texcat,

DirtyDishSoap

We really should be going on the Texcat wagon. Unah/Profii were on the NM slot right before moving over to Texcat. I actually feel like that makes one of them scum, and I think Profii is the correct lynch today. If Profii scum flip clears up a lot for this game.

It also explains the switch, and the reasoning for two stalled counterwagons Day 1.

Which means there is also scum on one of the three vanity wagons, which implies one, and only one scum is in Crush/Voyc/HWS.

The light blue has two scum in it, and one of them is Unah or Profii, 80-20 Profii-Unah.

VOTE: Profii

This is actually the correct lynch.

Investigatives should be on the vanities (or me, I like being cleared)

But ScumProfii is the answer to all the questions we have.

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The fact that Profii chooses to go on Voyc over HWS (who are he two leading potential vanity scum) even though voting HWS earlier, and saying they’d go on to end the day lends me to believe Profii/HWS are scum together, and Profii’s being careful because it looks possible for HWS to go down.

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Unah is actually starting to mind meld with me. His reads list is very similar to mine except replace Voyc with HWS, and replace me with him. Other than that, we were nearly completely the same. Even the waning town read on Profii, which I have now brought to full on scum read.

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Where do you think scum is when I flip town out of interest

Unah or Dish Soap. Reason I don’t agree with that is because that means they’re both tunneling which would mean HWS would be who they’d be protecting, and I don’t see that as optimal play right now. I could be wrong on Voyc in that case, but I feel like there would be more on HWS then, which I don’t necessarily agree with I actually don’t think that’s going to be an issue, though.

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I’ve also put together a lot of logical reasoning, that even if you were town, actually, especially if you were town, should be getting more attention. My analysis isn’t wrong. If you’re town, the result is wrong, but the analysis is still accurate.

From your town perspective, everything I have said should make sense to you, but you just know it not to be true based on role pm. That doesn’t seem to be the case here. You just want to shut it down, which is also scum agenda.

If you were town, scum should be hard hopping onto you by now.

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Texcat wasn’t a compromise lynch. Texcat was a claimed PR lynch that scum took advantage of the tunneling town pushing them. (Confirmed as LA/NM claimed masons)

Scum had to kill Texcat.

Commuter means likely no protective role, so you’re theory on me being the most likely to be killed is also untrue. I was hard pushing NM Day 1, and I explained that is a reason in itself. Scum expected me to continue hard tunneling the counterwagon from Day 1. Profii/Unah, whichever is scum, would have easily been able to jump on that.

Profii was setting himself up with potential fake claims early on with those investigatives which is completely different from my crappy reaction tests with it. Later on, it benefited him to step away from that, and his earlier play allowed him to.

Had I also tunneled NM, Profii stating he knew NM would be town would give him some town cred.

Things got fudged up when Masons came into play.

Profii is scum.

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I’ve also put together a lot of logical reasoning, that even if you were town, actually, especially if you were town, should be getting more attention. My analysis isn’t wrong. If you’re town, the result is wrong, but the analysis is still accurate.

From your town perspective, everything I have said should make sense to you, but you just know it not to be true based on role pm. That doesn’t seem to be the case here. You just want to shut it down, which is also scum agenda.

If you were town, scum should be hard hopping onto you by now.

Actually I agree with most of what you’ve posted

Consider “this is the key” to be a paraphrase of this post of yours I’m quoting here

I.e - I agree with most of your analysis, your conclusion is wrong and I would suggest if there is any chance you can recognise that we should be lynching Wilky I would suggest

While I am paranoid of being tunneled, I’m also paranoid of being AtE’d by you. You have been flipping on me for a while, and now you’re asking me if there is a chance to change my read, insinuating you see me a Starbucks town, when you had just recently been hard pushing me as scum.

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Idk why it auto correct to Starbucks. Pretty much just omit that word.

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ManWithNoName is actually giving forth explanation on why he thinks certain posts are scummy, but he’s doing it in a sassy way, so it comes off poorly. I’m actually town reading there because of it.

Profii has started to create political reads after he got some pressure onto him.

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ArcAngel, I think I need to interact with you. Your slot I have the smallest amount of read on.

I replaced into a game on day 2, i got lot of catch up. So what do you think of your wagon?

Scum and a surface level townie.

Profii’s flopped again, so i don’t even have a wagon. Never really did.

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With a game of this pace, I might be able to keep up on my VLA.

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Bad wagon. Get someone with connections. This is Day 2. Arc will literally be able to be POE’d later if they dont catch up. Willing to give them a night.

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VOTE: Arc - time to participate. (but guys, let's REALLY lynch Voyc in the end, ok? )

Stop being scummy, I need to get over the paranoia. You did this Day 1, dont do it Day 2.

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You don’t need flipped scum to have connections. You just read players in relation to other players, and draw from that. You can do this in normal life as well.

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I disagree. Sure, certain scum could be inactive. Not all. There is scum in the active players, and there is lock scum in either Profii or Unah.

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HWS pretty obv scum after a profii red flip

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I don’t have a case for HWS. I have a POE for HWS. And I’m not even pushing for a HWS lynch today. I’m pushing for a Profii lynch.

I’ve chosen not to engage with Gustavo because he doesn’t want answers. He wants his way or the highway, and I just don’t play that surface level, so i’m not going to engage there. I think he’s town, so I really don’t have to worry about him at all anymore.

I want Profii dead.

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As I said profii has provided nothing on why I am best lynch and I am willing to sheep my biggest town read here until profii shows reasons.

He also keeps flip flopping in a survivalistic nature. Profii is the correct lynch for the day. Good chance at red, and the small chance of a mislynch mixed in with further NKA is golden no matter what. But I think he just reds.

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And if Gustavo is just using me as an excuse to stay hidden as scum and appear town, i’ll sniff that out later. If he’s town, it make sure it so scum don’t want to kill me in hopes that it picks up a wagon on me.

If I get to late game, which we are nearing, I’m going to be able to hard game solve :shrug:

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Lol, ArcAngel and HWS conftown. Boonie points to whoever points out why

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@Arc - HWS is town for reasons I think you’re town, and I can’t say why right now because we potentially have something awesome happening tomorrow.

Can we please lynch Profii?

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This is not a town reaction to being called out on lurking.

Literally nothing in that wall of quotes is AI yet she implies it is.

Those are proof's that you have been torturing and twisting me over nothing. And now you started passing threats to the town.

WOW, you're one next level scum play!!!

Gustavo is a walking contradiction with that post, but hemangioma just surface level town.

HWS is a mislynch. This is exactly what happened Day 1 with Texcat.


@HWS/ARC - please come together and vote Profii with me. I need your help.

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I missed that arc. Shit happens. Still that's a read built upon 2 posts? I'd find that weak.

I can lynch Profii but we should probably wait for the others.

What others are there to wait for?

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@Arc - he’s just playing very surface level. I think he’s town. That’s a lot to commit to playing like as scum.

He’s annoying, and I’d hammer the hell out of him if he got to L-1, but I expect he’s green.

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HWS is playing anti scum agenda. His play since coming in isn’t scummy. It just seems like town unable to do anything about a wagon on him.

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@Arc - he’s just playing very surface level. I think he’s town. That’s a lot to commit to playing like as scum.

He’s annoying, and I’d hammer the hell out of him if he got to L-1, but I expect he’s green.

Do you read GUS as town ?

Yeah. I think he’s town.thats why i said i think he’d flip green, haha

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Btw. Boon has no info. I just want to catch him in a lie.

There was a never a time I said I had info? I already claimed, yo...less surface level please.

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@Profii - if you are in fact green, and we mislynch you, I believe that would make Unah/Wilky both scum.

However the reason I see you as more likely scum than either of them right now is because HWS/Arc are counterwagoning, and I can’t seem to get people to go you even though both of Arc and HWS are town pinging hard. Which means scum is controlling the game phase away from Profii right now. Wilky/MWNN gain nothing by not going on either wagon, not even town cred.

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Btw. Boon has no info. I just want to catch him in a lie.

There was a never a time I said I had info? I already claimed, yo...less surface level please.

You literally implied you had reasons you were keeping until tomorrow. I’m wanting those reasons now

I have reasons, i don’t have info. It’s anti town to bring up said reasons, though, as it endangers a townie.

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All he is doing is trying to get me lynched and countering HWS.

Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true.

Twisting words don't make it true either.

You just admitted your accusation was false. lol.

I have scum reads. Hws isn’t one of them. Me pushing to lynch my scum reads over somebody who isn’t a scum read isn’t me trying to derail his wagon. It’s me not agreeing with it and wanting to lynch people who I think are scum.

So at best you are misrepping my actions. At worst it’s an outright lie.


My main push today has been morality. He’s been my top scum read today. He was my number 2 yesterday. My other scum reads were bbt and profli as 3rd. I still scum read profli and bbt but your reaction to being pressured for lurking is not natural for somebody who is town imo.

If you scum read Profii, you’re doing a hell of a lot of avoiding there.

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Also off of you to push your 4th scum read.

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@Arc - he’s just playing very surface level. I think he’s town. That’s a lot to commit to playing like as scum.

He’s annoying, and I’d hammer the hell out of him if he got to L-1, but I expect he’s green.

Do you read GUS as town ?

Wait, all of my things I said we’re about Gus. I don’t understand

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Interesting you did a 180 on hws and arc hasn’t called you on it. Talk about pushing a counter. You went from hard scum reading hws to hard town reading him.

You refused to explain your scum read and now you refuse to explain your town read. That’s not town behavior

Because I’m obvtown. :shrug:

I’m too townie for my liking. Even ScumProfii has accepted I’m not getting mislynched this game.

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I have reasons, i don’t have info. It’s anti town to bring up said reasons, though, as it endangers a townie.

Bullshit.

Reasons are obvious. If you weren’t surface level, you’d see them. However, now that i am able to correctly read HWS and Arc, I can see the towniness out of them.

And I’ve already explained why HWS is townie, and how scum doesn’t act in the manner he did after pressure, along with wagon analysis.

You chose to flat Out ignore those reasonings, and got hung up

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If you scum read Profii, you’re doing a hell of a lot of avoiding there.

You want me to join you on a wagon but you won’t even give me the respect and answer my question. I’m not joining profli specifically to spite you since you continue to spite me.

My posts have already explained it. You’re just being a surface level player.

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Who’s actively throwing the game for petty reasons. Get over it. You’re being more anti town than anyone. If you have that big of an issue, get over it, and be the bigger man. Stop looking at the game from such a. Surface level tunneled position. I can see you’re a better player than that, so just give it a god damn rest.

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Your posts don’t really explain anything. They just create confusion. Instead of answering me point blank you dance around them.

HWS doesn’t know this existence of the mason. Seriously, get the fuck out. That’s literally all it was. I didn’t want the mason brought up again because people seemed to have forgot. Which is always a good thing to not bring up.

But thanks to you, it was brought up again

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Who’s actively throwing the game for petty reasons. Get over it. You’re being more anti town than anyone. If you have that big of an issue, get over it, and be the bigger man. Stop looking at the game from such a. Surface level tunneled position. I can see you’re a better player than that, so just give it a god damn rest.

When I ask somebody I’m scum reading to explain their reads and they refuse. That’s not petty. If you are town it’s anti town. You are playing poorly if you are town.

False. My job as town is to get people to accurately town read me. I have done that. You are just being surface level and having pointless conversations instead of actively scum reading.

I’m literally about to get to a level of just policing you because even if you are town, I feel that’s actively better for the town’s chance at winning.

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Scum kill me tonight please.

No scum EVER kills you tonight. You’re playing way too surface level and are the most tunnel visioned in this game.

You are the only thing in this game that keeps me from steam rolling scum, besides maybe Unah, and scum know this.

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HWS doesn’t know this existence of the mason.

This isn’t true at all. He knows masons exsist. He even comments on it

The fucking identity of the mason.

He flat out stated a read on NM with confusion.

Holy shit. SURFACE LEVEL PLAYER just move on from this god damn conversation. It doesn’t matter.

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My job as town is to get people to accurately town read me.

False. Maybe in your twisted head that’s how the game is played but in reality it’s to find and lynch scum.

False. You’re a surface level player if you think that. Getting town read and being able to actively town read players is just as important, as scum hunting. Those are building blocks to finding scum.

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Anyone down to policy Gustavo? I’m at that point. He’s gonna flip green, but I’ll lynch there over ScumProfii.

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My job as town is to get people to accurately town read me.

False. Maybe in your twisted head that’s how the game is played but in reality it’s to find and lynch scum.

False. You’re a surface level player if you think that. Getting town read and being able to actively town read players is just as important, as scum hunting. Those are building blocks to finding scum.

Being transparent is more important and you aren’t transparent at all

I disagree. I’m incredibly transparent and the fact that everyone in this game minus like two people town read me show that.

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@Gustavo - so you don’t think any of this I, as a person, after knowing what you know of me and seeing how i act, zero part of you see me as a player who does all this as town? I don’t want to hear the “you shouldn’t” that’s not the question. It’s specifically in regards to me.

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I’m incredibly transparent

Yet you refused to explain why you scum read hws despite me asking you many times.

Because you’re surface level and don’t read the posts. I explained many times, and most of it was POE. I solve many of my games through POE.

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Now stop this back and forth. It’s hurting town.

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and most of it was POE

Poe without a flip isn’t a reason. You should have actual reasons why somebody is scum.

Its fine to say you town read players a, b, and c but you still need actual reasons why somebody is scum out of the remaining pool of players.

I disagree. I don’t need flips to have my reads, and I go from there. Overtime, I have gotten pretty strong with my town reads, and thus I start every game out town reading people as opposed to neutral. Doing so makes it so I immediately have the majority of my reads correct and I watch trajectories go by. This playstyle has gotten me nice results thus far, and until it shows otherwise, I will continue to do so.

This account I also use a Death Note like playstyle, where even if something has like a 7% chance of being correct, I go forward like it is correct until something proves otherwise. It’s done me pretty well

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Now stop this back and forth. It’s hurting town.

If you are town you are hurting town because as you said I’m a surface level player and you know the expectations I have and by blatantly refusing to answer my questions you are intentionally adding fuel to my fire. When you add fuel to my fire you make me angry and continute to post back to you.

This is yet another reason I think you are scum. You should know how to deal with “surface level players”

I don’t say my reasonings in one post, it’s a chain of posts, and that’s just how my playstyle goes with. I feel the reasonings behind every single read I have is well documented in this game, including my flip flops.

It’s rough for me to do so in one post, because I myself use a chain of reasonings, and put them all together to look at trajectory.

You have a rough time dealing with my playstyle, and I’ve grown to understand that. You need to work on understanding that our playstyles don’t mesh, and we can actively go about that to help town win.

I believe I’ve answered all your stuff that you have wanted now, no?

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Votecount 1.4

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texcat: LA Galaxy, N_M, BlueBloodedToffee, wilky, Gustavo, UnaBombaH, profii (L-0)

wilky: Crush
UnaBombaH: Voyc
Crush: HeWhoSwims
N_M: Morality, texcat, DirtyDishSoap

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Day 1 ends in (expired on 2018-05-12 10:35:45)

some interesting names i could see on the day 1 wagon list.

Not Maifa being NM, I being his usual town self.

I having my doubts on UNA and Wilky. I will ISO them in a bit.

I did ISO'd LA Galaxy, they night killed after raising suspicious on COA, that's an interesting place to start with. VoyC is also in my rador.

It was Arc, not HWS...oops. HWS said something else. Nonetheless, that was one point, my other points, like the way HWS acted, along with the wagon analysis points towards both of them being town. Along with Arc being way too uninformed even if they were lurking scum.

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Also, Unah/Profii/Wilky should be the three up for debate to lynch. I’m not through with this Texcat wagon.

LA/NM are town. Gus I’m pretty sure is town. BBT I town read, MC, I town read, but sure, there’s the chance that read was incorrect. I think enough people town read the slot that i don’t believe that is the correct path either.

Unah/Profii/Wilky 100% has scum on it.

Texcat was a claimed PR that scum couldn’t get rid of without lynching.

The counterwagon, NM, is confirmed town, but before wasn’t seen as a potential to become conf town.

There IS scum in those three.

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This is the first time we’ve played together. I’ll try to avoid you going forward though. Having been run off site a couple of years ago for lying, I’ve leaened my lesson. You clearly haven’t and site meta has apparently changed and it’s acceptable now.

I reaction test. I don’t lie. I always say things in that tongue in cheek fashion, where people immediately know I’m doing something, and that is by design.

Claiming a guilty on someone and pushing them hard for a lynch is lying, claiming a good chance you have a guilty, and then playing a little crime investigative game, and then coming out with the real info is not.

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I have only lied as town once. I appreciate town gambits. I generally like to make it obvious when I do something like that, which I did here, and your reactions proved that it was obvious. You seem like you just have personal issues with the fact, so that’s on you. I am actively trying to work with you here now, and there hasn’t been a single thing that I’ve done that should be taken up today.

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It’s only acceptable if you do it right, and I generally only do it with people who understand the Third Degree Burn

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I think I have a very solid reasoning on why Profii is likely scum, which is one of your scum reads.

I’m going to actively try working with you, and I beg you to do the same. I feel like you see that i am town, but you’re stuck on certain aspect of my playstyle.

I’m sorry about that. I’ll actively try to avoid anything like that from here on out in this game.

Please. Work with me.

[Morality]

I don’t lie.

You told me earlier this game you lie as town.

I said I fake claim. I always fess up, and show that it was a reaction test.

I am a hard reaction test player, to the point that people should assume I’m always doing it, and they do.

I hard setup spec, and throw out hard analyzing theories, which you have seen here as well. My gambit phase generally only lasts early game because that’s when I need reactions the most.

I’m done with all that. Run away with me, and let’s leave the past behind.

Let’s win this game, Gus.

[Morality]

The sad thing is I really think profli is scum but I’m scum reading you and arc more now and won’t compromise unless I absolutely have to

You aren’t scum reading me, you’re disliking my playstyle. If you thought I was scum, you wouldn’t be talking the way you are about me because you’d think I’m actually scum. You’re mixing the two up.

If you thought I was scum, you wouldn’t see my playstyle as poor, I’d just be scum.

[Morality]

I said I fake claim

Fake claims are lies

Not when I outwardly say they are fake claims. That’s just me saying things and people don’t know what to do with it.

Regardless, it’s over. Let’s move on from that. No more of that from me here, okay?

Do you think I’d be bussing Profii here then?

[Morality]

Please. Work with me.

Why should I? You wouldn’t work with me. I scum read you. I don’t work with scum reads.

Why? Working with scum reads is a great way to catch them out.

[Morality]

Wrong. I’m just open to the idea of being wrong. You play in a way where nobody can ever have a reason to scum read you. If they say something you can defend yourself with meta.

Sure, when I’m town.

[Morality]

When I’m scum, i pounce on town’s logic in their push towards me.

[Morality]

Do you think I’d be bussing Profii here then?

I honestly don’t know. I wouldn’t put it past you.

I can link you my scum games. I don’t bus needlessly. I do better when I have a scum team in the wings. I’ve only been to 3p lylo as solo scum once in my 5 ish years here.

[Morality]

I like to use meta. I think it’s strong, especially early game. I like games that have players that everyone knows everyone’s meta, and then it’s really fun to catch people out on that. I tend to throw out the meta stuff later in game when you have more analysis to go off of. Early game, you don’t have as much, so meta is a good temporary hold.

[Morality]

Do you think I’d be bussing Profii here then?

I honestly don’t know. I wouldn’t put it past you.

Alright, then call my bluff. Vote Profii with me.

[Morality]

What would you like me to do to help prove to you I’m town?

[Morality]

I feel like you want me to be scum moreso than actually thinking I’m scum.

[Morality]

Why? Working with scum reads is a great way to catch them out.

If you say so. I definitely don’t want the work with you though. I don’t really appreciate the way you ignored my requests. You can’t unburn a bridge

What would you like me to do to help prove to you I’m town?

I feel like you want me to be scum moreso than actually thinking I’m scum.

[Morality]

Doesn’t mean I’m not town. That’s a personal read you have, not an actual read.

The fact you stated the unburn a bridge shows that.

[Morality]

What would you like me to do to help prove to you I’m town?

Get lynched

That’s not something I can do. I said what could I do. I’m not going anti wincon.

Always should actively be trying to work with others, especially those you are disagreeing with.

[Morality]

Also, Unah/Profii/Wilky should be the three up for debate to lynch. I’m not through with this Texcat wagon.

LA/NM are town. Gus I’m pretty sure is town. BBT I town read, MC, I town read, but sure, there’s the chance that read was incorrect. I think enough people town read the slot that i don’t believe that is the correct path either.

Unah/Profii/Wilky 100% has scum on it.

Texcat was a claimed PR that scum couldn’t get rid of without lynching.

The counterwagon, NM, is confirmed town, but before wasn’t seen as a potential to become conf town.

There IS scum in those three.

@UnahBombah - This should make sense to you as why I can’t write you off as either alignment yet. As scum, you’d be wary of me, as town, you’d be paranoid of me. I’m willing to go Profii. You agree with scum on the Texcat wagon, right?

[Morality]

What would you like me to do to help prove to you I’m town?

Get lynched

That’s not something I can do. I said what could I do. I’m not going anti wincon.

Always should actively be trying to work with others, especially those you are disagreeing with.

Especially on a game where I’m top 3 most town read people.

[Morality]

Me marching in to the thread after not having read the last 20 pages

The life of an IC.

Just let’s lynch Profii and move on.

[Morality]

Yo, Wilkster, I'll be back around for real one on one time on Monday.

Tomorrow, I have two birthdays to deal with.

I'm feeling like a profii/HWS with unknown third man team is a pretty decent guess but don't want to end the day just yet.

I had this mindset earlier too. I’m town reading MWNN. Replaced DDS, right? Also was there with similar wagons. Makes me more secure with the Profii wagon.

The hold up on it is real.

[Morality]

What would you like me to do to help prove to you I’m town?

Get lynched

That’s not something I can do. I said what could I do. I’m not going anti wincon.

Always should actively be trying to work with others, especially those you are disagreeing with.

I honestly don’t think there is anything you can do. If you are town I’m sorry.

I’ll vote profli to prevent a NL

To prevent a NL, ill take it.

[Morality]

@HWS - come over to Profii wagon. It’ll L-1 both of you.

@Gus - I’m starting to see Profii/Arc, but I’d like Profii first still. He’s the slippery one

[Morality]

It’s literally on Unah if nobody switches. Unah, catch up, haha.

[Morality]

Meh,

Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: HWS

[Morality]

Profii successfully AtE’d me if he’s scum.

[Morality]

It’s Wilky/Arc/Unah.

[Morality]

I'm indifferent to mass claim and will go with what the majority think but I do agree with Gustavo that I doubt there's an investigative. A vig + an investagative seems like a lot of town power in a mini.

This is scum who thinks that the game is potentially unbalanced

[Morality]

It’s also confirmed now that there was scum on the Texcat wagon. Likely two, maybe 3.

But yeah, Unah/Wilky are scum. I expect them to win this game.

[Morality]

We have a decently strong town block in Profii/Me/Gus/NM. I’m almost ready to put BBT there as well.

Una, DDS, Wilky, HWS contains all the scum.

Pick the townie out of them. I think it’s DDS.

HWS/DDS slot we’re both proven to be town. Wilky/Unah then last slot is BBT slot or Arc.

This really sucks, though. Scum are using TownGus to their advantage.

Now that voyc slot flipped town, BBT slot is scummier, however that could have been townBBT pushing townVoyc in a tunnel.

[Morality]

I’ll do some deep analysis when I get off work after some sleep.

Wilky is 100% scum, though. I’m not 100% on Unah, but that pairing seemed very likely to me throughout the game.

[Morality]

Actually, I think I know who the vig is.

Wilky/Arc are near confirmed scum, I feel at this point. The last scum is whoever isn’t the vig that wasn’t on the Texcat wagon, and not Gus.

[Morality]

Why would anyone listen to you? You said I was scum WITH hws. Clearly your reads are shit. Hws was town. You scum read me cause I called you out for being a useless player (truth hurts huh?)

If you are town you are helping scum. Occam’s razor suggests you are just scum.

If you are town do us a favor and do what I was trying to get you to do yesterday. Read the game and provide content.

You are correct; Arc is scum.

[Morality]

i think it’s mass claim time.

We’re MYLO.

I claimed VT already.

ArcAngel should be next, and that would be all the people off the Texcat wagon claimed.

Unah
Wilky
BBT slot
Profii
Gust

Should be the order.

[Morality]

Scum is profli/arc/you

I mean, sure, you’ve been saying that. I know that me not correct, though, so I’m going to analyze this game to the max.

Post game, when it’s proven I’m town, this is 100% what I should be doing.

[Morality]

It’s, not me

[Morality]

Damn, Unah’s on VLA.

[Morality]

Unah’s the only one here who would hold a Night 1 vig shot besides possibly me/Gus, so my money is on Unah Vig, if not Unah, it’s BBT slot.

[Morality]

Could also be even Night, which is why I’m not putting much merit into the night 1 thing

[Morality]

i think it’s mass claim time.

We’re MYLO.

I claimed VT already.

ArcAngel should be next, and that would be all the people off the Texcat wagon claimed.

Unah
Wilky
BBT slot
Profii
Gust

Should be the order.

Stop trying to control shit. I’m against mass claim. It hurts town by doing one.

It’s literally fucking MYLO. Stop this shit

[Morality]

Tell me what does town gain by outing the protection role?

Conf townie in the protective role...? It’s fucking mylo.

And it’s called figuring out the game. Why are all over the place reads scummy to you? Scum normally have very thought out trajectories.

[Morality]

Nah, you’re just bad and tunneled entire game and not reading other players.

[Morality]

And it shows because you were literally the only one to read that way

[Morality]

If it was universal, sure, but I have been pretty strongly town read by most players, and you hardcore are getting used by the scum team. On you.

I have gone analysis over analysis this entire game, but you’re too much of a tunnelfuck crybaby to care about anything

[Morality]

It’s fucking mylo.

There is no way an experienced player like yourself as town makes this mistake. It’s absolutely NOT mylo.

It’s fucking 8 players. 3 scum

3-5. We fucking mislynch, scum kill, it’s 3-3, scum win at 50% pop.

It’s fucking mylo.

[Morality]

VOTE: Wilky

I’d go Arc as well.

[Morality]

Arc and I are basically near confirmed separate alignments at this pointz

[Morality]

I use occam's razor sometimes.

Robb uses better logic and actually figures out I’m town despite doing the stuff he dislikes. He also doesn’t attempt at reading me Day 1’s, and I generally am able to get on the same page with Robb when we’re both town.

[Morality]

Your reactionary playstyle is a tell all, Unah.

You're wrong on this one buddy..
You'll see I got proof at some point.

Mixed in with the Voyc death, and the constant talking to me like I should realize something, I think I’m gonna lock in Unah as town here, specifically if they are the vigilante.

Unah, i would appreciate some interaction when you return.

[Morality]

Wilky/Arc/BBT slot are the scum team, because Profii/Gus is a hard TvT.

[Morality]

@Gustavo - who’d you protect Night 1?

[Morality]

Unvote

Profii does work in the Wilky spot technically, so i could my tunnel.

I want to talk to Unah, though.

I claimed already.

Vig 100% should claim to confirm it, though.

I personally would love having a double claim, because that plays itself out. We just wait it out until the counter claim gets shot by the real claim

[Morality]

Profii and Wilky should consider each other lock scum at this point. One of them are scum, and it’s highly unlikely that both of them are town. Probably impossible.

[Morality]

Gus-Arc
Profii-Wilky
Unah-BBT slot

Morality/NM town.

Well...looks like this is where we’re at, fellas...

[Morality]

Gus-Arc
Profii-Wilky
Unah-BBT slot

Morality/NM town.

Well...looks like this is where we’re at, fellas...

I’m voting profli.

So? That just means if you were scum, you’d be scum with Wilky.

[Morality]

Hey guys! I'm working on getting a feel for the game still. MyLo on Day 3 is a POP EMERGENCY that I will not stand for!

Do we have any universally townish LEGENDS that I shouldn't even worry about reading?

Everyone is town reading me besides Gustavo.

[Morality]

Gus-Arc
Profii-Wilky
Unah-BBT slot

Morality/NM town.

Well...looks like this is where we’re at, fellas...

I’m voting profli.

So? That just means if you were scum, you’d be scum with Wilky.

On top of this, you’ve spent more time stating arc is scum than Profii is scum, so i really have no clue what merit your current vote means in that scenario. You still say Arc is scum. I am more inclined to believe Arc is scum as well.

[Morality]

2 masons, a commuter, and what's probs an N2 vig seems like a good set to me. Do we even have or expect more PR claims?

I think the vig should only claim if they were roleblocked on N1, actually. That information is lost if their career is ended tonight.

PE: Thanks!

It looks like this game was a vote count DROUGHT! Has anyone set up that vote counting tool so we can look into wagon composition?

Yeah, that makes sense as the setup, tbh. I don’t think scum would need much power for that to be balanced, if any.

[Morality]

I feel like I’m basically a tree stump.

If morality is town I don’t see why scum would leave him alive since as morality keeps bragging he’s town read by everyone but me and the protective role would definitely not be on him with a claimed mason.

So answer that. why is scum not killing him?

P.edit - oh I still highly suspect you but because you are at least active and trying and arc clearly isn’t, we don’t need more dead weight around.

Ive stated the reason why.

It’s because of you, haha. You tunneling me is exactly why, and I was a claimed VT.

[Morality]

VOTE: Wilky

It’s Wilky, BBT, Arc.

[Morality]

Profii/Gus both town due to their back and forth, and the way it’s coming about.

Gus has played exactly how I expected he would as a town PR with his playstyle. (If scum, great plays)

Unah makes sense as a vigilante.

BBT slot wrecked themselves with the VT claim.

Arc slot has no choice put to push the scum agenda, making that 1-1 easy.

This game really boils down to Profii/Wilky. Wilky is pushing a scum agenda and playing for the win rather than playing for scum this day phase especially, but all the trails have been there.

This also makes sense with BBT/Wilky slots on the Texcat wagon, along with one scum off the wagon in Arc.

[Morality]

I think that Myself, NM, Profii, and Unah need to completely be one large vote, and we stay together no matter what.

[Morality]

@Gus - I also picked up earlier when you were yelling it’s not MYLO to me, and saw why you were saying that. But that’s not as reliable to 100% go off of, so we gotta hit scum and consider this MYLO.

[Morality]

VOTE: Wilky

It’s Wilky, BBT, Arc.

why not arc?

Because Arc is more likely to bus his buddies than Wilky in this position.

And if they don’t bus, they out themselves hard as the scum team.

[Morality]

Wilky is the heavy.

[Morality]

man it really sucks not having anyone I can trust

Yeah, I imagine this is a rough time. I don’t envy your position.

[Morality]

The visitor literally does nothing. He’s probably a scum tracker.

[Morality]

The visitor literally does nothing. He’s probably a scum tracker.

wrt the setup.

[Morality]

Yeah idk. I still want arc today. She deserves it the most

If scum were going to pick what scum dies out of them to die, Arc would be it as well.

Arc being the one to die here allows scum to control future days moreso than if we hit one of the other two.

[Morality]

It also allows for your JK shot to be more accurate because the WIFOM is a little bit weaker based on where peopl’s reads are.

[Morality]

But he apparently wants to take the game to LyLo with ne as the designated lynch for that day.
Waiting for a faked guilty even.

That was a hypothetical scenario. Why are your acting like it’s real? Btw he isn’t living to lylo, I’ll make sure he’s lynched before that. I tried to lynch him today but nobody wants to. That could still happen

You haven't seen what he is capable of.
Scum!Boon faked such a BS-shitstorm after nightkilling me after I had called their whole scumteam in Blessed Mafia.
People just accepted my death as "whatever" and they went on to a perfect win.

I have no trouble believing scum!Boon just whips something crazy up if I'm not lynched otherwise tomorrow.
And if I have an "heureka-moment" myself, he has no trouble NK'ing me either.

IF Morality is town here, he really is able to townbin me. If he just wants to.
I think I already said this, but my vacation started yesterday - I think I'll be making a few longer posts today/tomorrow.

This along with a bunch of other posts seems like wilky/Morality/Una is possible.

@Gus - this along with the Vanilla claim entrance points this towards scum. Unah and I are also getting paired up alongside the fellow scum buddy Wilky to set up a “Wilky flipped scum like I said, those two were bussing” trajectory. This also protects ScumArc.

Honestly, the biggest reason I don’t want Arc today is because I’m afraid you’re gonna not lynch in Wilky/WeStan further days, so it’s like my insurance. Where even if I die, I see it will be fine because Gus will push for Arc.

[Morality]

SF/Oakland area

[Morality]

As SK, what would I gain by stating Unah was likely the vig? At all?

[Morality]

Yeah, jail me and lynch tomorrow if need be. That’s actually optimal.

If SK is alive then the game wouldn’t be over either.

I’ll work with that.

[Morality]

If Unah is SK, then he deserves the win

[Morality]

Any SK claims vig after holding fire though as that’s the plan - the fact no one has incriminates you in jail n1

No, yeah, I get it.

If Gustavo jailed me Night 1, I think I made sense as a scum kill moreso than a SK.

Actually, Unah’s probably SK.

Which means I think Arc is town.

[Morality]

Or SK could be BP, I guess and have gotten shot.

With a JK/Commuter that seems decently likely.

Mafia have a tracker likely in that case.

Which actually makes Visitor make some sense.

[Morality]

SK changed this game. I’m just going to stay on Wilky and not think this over too much.

Jail me. I’m toast tomorrow no matter what happens unless SK dies/Wilky SK.

[Morality]

Nah, I’m conf town at this point, tbh.

There’s zero reason I ever make a kill Night 1 after the way I played.

Also, had I been making a kill, and being blocked, I’d have had more information at my disposal, and it’s blatantly clear I was playing with a lack of info.

I am obv/conf town, and Gus confirmed it. I will be treating this game with that mindset that everyone already sees me that way, even if that is not the case.

[Morality]

Gonna need more than that - if you could get away with a vig claim and a matching body to inno yourself you would. It MUST be the scum kill that got blocked and the SK kill that went through night 1 which means SK incriminates himself to scum if there isn’t a claim


However



Can Morality be the scum that got blocked attempting to kill? I think so

Zero chance ScumMorality makes the kill there after going back and forth on claims.

[Morality]

I agree, though. SK 100% shot LA.

I was shot by scum.

SK can’t claim vig because they get outed.

This also proves I’m not SK more because unless you think I’m that next level scum, I’m conf town

[Morality]

I will start referring to myself as MothafuckingconftownBoon.

You all should do the same.

MFCTB will accept His Majesty or Emperor as well

[Morality]

Yeah I haven’t really checked your ISO or anything

My last point was more of a _technically_ you could have done it but I gut don’t think so


I am definitely working on the assumption scum got blocked trying to kill you, therefore LA was SK victim

Yeah, that was really good. I didn’t even think about the no vig claim implies SK made the LA kill.

[Morality]

MFCTB

[Morality]

Arc is 100% confirmed not SK, as am I, as is Gus, I believe.

[Morality]

Through mechanics alone

[Morality]

So maybe mortality is scum and not SK. Morality/profli is back on the table.

I mean, Wilky basically claimed scum in his post there. Look at how he put Arc on the side with Profii.

[Morality]

I’m confirmed town due to the LA kill implication being a SK, and how the scum team was acting towards me.

It’s Wilky, plus one of BBT/Unah Confirmed. Maybe lean Unah because idk if BBT would have tried to kill me, and the LA kill makes a lot of sense for SKBBT to kill along with the BBT replacement of having to deal with this game as SK

[Morality]

And how exactly is that a scum claim? Has or hasn't profii repeatedly called Arc scum? Has or hasn't profii said he won't lynch Arc today unless its an end of day and i'm not happening?

It’s just your trajectory and the things you’re setting up.

I get you have to play this way, but you know that I have no doubt that you are scum. You just have to try to convince others now. That’s where we’re at.

[Morality]

Also, scum knew there was a role to stop kills, so they probably assumed NM was going to be getting protected so they didn’t try to kill.

Also explains why ManWithNoName died. There was no chance of a protection there.

[Morality]

Arc, as SK, doesn’t play this way. There’s no way Arc claims VT as SK in this scenario. No offense to them, but I don’t think they would think to not claim vigilante or something else.

Stan looks extremely likely to be the SK, and Wilky/Unah the scum team.

I keep bouncing back from Unah/BBT, but locking in one of them as SK. Wilky is 100% scum, though.

His entire presence got so much weaker and his demeanor is flailing more.

This is scum in a rough spot and knows it

[Morality]

Because Gus blocked morality

If SK got blocked N1, the SK only made 1 successful night kill

Therefore the SK can safely claim vig to get innod today

Therefore Morality being blocked means SK made 2 kills so scum are looking for that vig claim

Just before I go, in what world does this makes sense?
Vig becomes a very likely nightkill for scum. SK!Morality would not hard claim vig as questions would arise on why he hadn't died.

This only makes sense if they were previously aware of a SK/Vig in existence prior, by the way

[Morality]

Vig claim in Mylo

Yeah that’s a bad idea

This. So morality is sk but could be scum as la doesn’t make sense for mafia kill.

I’m conftown, though.

Also, this is a false statement vig in mylo is not a bad idea. Vig claim in mylo as SK where a scum kill didn’t go through is a bad idea.

[Morality]

It’s the kind of thing where like, you become conftown, probably gonna die in night, but it absolutely doesn’t matter at that point

[Morality]

I’m conftown, though.

You aren’t tho

Hmm? How so? Thought I was?

[Morality]

I agree. Wilky is the only lockscum. BBT makes sense to keep me alive because if you noticed, I tend to hard defend him if I’m not scum reading him.

Yeah. That’s accurate.

Hey, Stan, can you shoot Arc tonight?

[Morality]

Gender has nothing to do with it.

[Morality]

Well...I’m here now...haha. Just missed him

[Morality]

I’ll reply to Unah’s stuff sometime. There’s a lot...haha.

I’m not moving off of Wilky today. He’s the only one that I know 100 will flip scum

[Morality]

Lol

[Morality]

Lol

I don’t think there was a dead thread.

[Morality]

@Profii - I’m glad we actually were both town.

[Morality]

I want to see the mafia thread, haha.

[Morality]

I think Math should just never tell us which way he would have ended up going.