Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[PenguinPower]

First.

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VOTE: Not_Mafia

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VOTE: Creature

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VOTE: PenguinPower

Solid vote.

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VOTE: PenguinPower

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I like wagons.

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@Penguin - Isn't it against site rules to play against your win condition?

Why do you think I'm playing against my win condition?

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Sure.

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VOTE: Kublai Khan

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@Penguin - Isn't it against site rules to play against your win condition?

Why do you think I'm playing against my win condition?

It's a normal, so you don't have a jester win condition.
Your self-vote came as a result of two votes on you. I gave you an opportunity to explain and you gave a nonsense answer.

So either your are playing against your win condition and looking to get lynched. Or, this is a psychological move. The person with the first wagon on Day 1 is usually not the one eventually lynched.

p.edit: huh. Why, Ircher?

We're at the low info stage.

Wagons give info. If I hammered myself as town, I would agree with you; but, absent that, I've done nothing against my wincon.

We now have competing wagons. That will also give info.

In the future, if you really think I'm playing against my wincon, use the handy dandy report feature I know you are aware of. Otherwise, you're making in game manipulations.

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I know, right.

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I did.

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I like wagons.

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Your preference?

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Huh. Fair.

Put a vote on me or Kublai in the meantime?

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Am I forcing?

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Ok.

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Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

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Huh. Fair.

Put a vote on me or Kublai in the meantime?

Would you say this isn't trying to force people in to only two wagons?

It's getting him to do something other than "wait around for something scummy."

That's an easy out early game.

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Good, you're scum anyway.

Hmm...why?

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Creature...if you aren't voting, chill until the game state makes you want to do something, otherwise I'm inclined to think you're scum.

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Ok. Just know it's suspect, and I'll call it out later.

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I'm so confused. Why are you taking Ircher calling Kublai scum seriously on page three of RVS?

Why are you taking me calling Ircher calling Kublai scum suspect as serious but not Ircher calling Kublai scum as serious when we're on page three of RVS?

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Nah I was annoyed at PP. And then decided to vote him for being mafia.

How did I annoy you, and why am I mafia?

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PenguinPower (-31%) - His interactions with Kublai were weird, and I'll leave them at that. 54 feels strange: Penguin finds Espeonage's post to be great, yet Penguin did not (at least, I presume that he not) think that he was forcing Creature (and others) to choose between one of two wagons. Like, what is great about the post? 65 just seems strange and too much on the shady side of things. Then, as a whole, the ISO just feels... off..., so I'm not sure if this is just more the way Penguin plays or if Penguin is playing some kind of weird scum theatrics right now. (That probably isn't the correct use of terminology, but whatever.)

Hi! Busy today, so I'm only going to interact with something substantive (especially since Espeonage is ignoring me).

Do you know the concept of sarcasm? 54 was sarcasm. I'm not sure how you interpreted it differently.

For anyone who has played with me in the past, or cares to research my town meta, I'm a sarcastic ass all of D1...and usually into later days as well, but less so.

Really just wanted to clear up the lack of your understanding re: sarcasm. I'll read through the rest later.

Pretty sure you've played with me before...so...

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PenguinPower (-31%) - His interactions with Kublai were weird, and I'll leave them at that. 54 feels strange: Penguin finds Espeonage's post to be great, yet Penguin did not (at least, I presume that he not) think that he was forcing Creature (and others) to choose between one of two wagons. Like, what is great about the post? 65 just seems strange and too much on the shady side of things. Then, as a whole, the ISO just feels... off..., so I'm not sure if this is just more the way Penguin plays or if Penguin is playing some kind of weird scum theatrics right now. (That probably isn't the correct use of terminology, but whatever.)

Hi! Busy today, so I'm only going to interact with something substantive (especially since Espeonage is ignoring me).

Do you know the concept of sarcasm? 54 was sarcasm. I'm not sure how you interpreted it differently.

For anyone who has played with me in the past, or cares to research my town meta, I'm a sarcastic ass all of D1...and usually into later days as well, but less so.

Really just wanted to clear up the lack of your understanding re: sarcasm. I'll read through the rest later.

Pretty sure you've played with me before...so...

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What do we get when we look at your scum meta?

I hard bus my partners and/or tend to actively lurk for the majority of the game. I think I've done that in every single scum game except for one.

But, I could be lying right?

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If NotMafia isn't voting someone whose on L1, treat them as on L2. There's a strong possibility he'll quickhammer.

Catching up.

Slander

Correct (well, libel). It should read "If NotMafia isn't voting someone who's on L-2, treat them as if they are on L-1. There's a strong possibility he'll quickhammer.

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Also, Penguin please keep in mind that sarcasm doesn't translate well over the Internet, and especially in a psychological game like Mafia.

Fair. I'm be sure to use gifs and emojis to clarify my sarcasm.

This is a favorite of mine:

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Someone should check this out.

Why not you?

Most scum games were in the Newbie queue, one or two in Large Theme, two or three in Open I think. My most recent Open game is the only time I haven't, and that's because my partner specifically asked me not to as part of our plan.

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I'm not feeling this game tbh. Also I phone post a lot and when I am on my phone I skim for direct questions sometimes but otherwise don't read.

My active days are monday, thursday night and Sunday.

You've had several direct questions that you haven't answered. Most of them came on Sunday and Monday.

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Then maybe don't join more games than you can handle with a Su, M, Th schedule.

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We're 10 pages in in 6 days. This is slower than the Open or Newbie queue (usually). 10 pages takes all of 30 minutes to read (at most).

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Wow everyone look at this guy's fast reading skills

No one likes a show off PP

i luv u

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.Letting people like PP, Khan & N_M (not putting too much faith in him) talk about their reads on JJD

I like JarJar for town much more than his predecessor.

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I'm skimming. I'm not negligent.

Hey Espeonage,

That lull in the game right now. Y''know, that lull where momentum is being lost and town apathy is creeping in. The one in the endgame where everyone is wondering how town could lose the game.

You're causing that lull.

"Skimming" is a way of saying "I'm only looking to respond to my name only". You're not scum-hunting and you're not defending yourself. Your aloofness is killing the game. It ruins every mafia game. Your playstyle is the worst.

Participate or replace out.

Am prodding Kublai Khan now.

The irony.

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VOTE: n_m

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Bad guess.

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Also, untrue statement.

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Tomorrows lynch should definitely be from the people not voting scum day 1.

Good place to start with back to back scum lynches.

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2 responses with exactly zero actual argument against me in about 2 minutes flat. Another one in about 4 minutes.

I dunno man, that seems kind of defensive

wut?

I made two responses to you. Should I not respond? If I had responded with more content would that have been more or less defensive?

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Damn. I messed up then.

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Actually, that is a good question. Last I remember, neither mason nor tracker are considered modifiers, so I don't think they can be used as a compound role under the current guidelines...

Normal Games must use only approved roles,

and can use any combination

(so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved modifiers.

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Actually, that is a good question. Last I remember, neither mason nor tracker are considered modifiers, so I don't think they can be used as a compound role under the current guidelines...

Normal Games must use only approved roles,

and can use any combination

(so long as there is at least one Vanilla Townie) in conjunction with approved modifiers.

I meant to put that in quotes as it comes from the Normal wiki page.

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Hmm...tbf that phrasing is somewhat ambiguous.

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That's fair and why I said it's a bit ambiguous...wording should probably be shored up.

Even with that, there's only been three instances in all of Mini Normals where Masons had some type of additional role attached, and that was Neighbor or Recruiter.

So...a bit skeptical at this point.

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Sorry, that should say since 1401..just noticed that.

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You're just being paranoid, and Seal doesn't need to give us who his partner is.

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Why are we massclaiming with two back-to-back scum lynches?

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Pretty sure we don't need to massclaim today.

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Why am I the best lynch?

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U ignored the Byron wagon

Town points for me then.

U have like no scum reads

how u no this?

haven't voted today so it looks like ur keeping ur options open.

Neither have you or half of the other players.

Solid case.

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Why would u get townpoints for ignoring a wagon that flipped scum?

I've only once not bussed my scum buddy, usually from the get go.

cuz I've read the words u've posted

No one's ever asked.

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After 3 pages, I hard townread PenguinPower. And lean scum on Kublai.

Townreads - PenguinPower, Ircher, robster ,Hopkirk

Scumreads - UnrealSeal, jorals, Tommy E, Byrons

Nulls on the rest

Like Byron gave PP an unprompted strong town read all game. I just don't buy them being scum/scum.

either PP or TE today

Don't want to lynch Hiraki (the TE slot). I think PP is prob best lynch.

I don't think you're being genuine at all...

VOTE: JJD

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That the only way it would make sense to scumread you is if you did something protown?

Not the only way, but it's a good tell.

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What's vague about "The Mafia have no need to be informed of players' alignments, but can often benefit from being informed of specific power roles that exist in the game"

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No one even remembers (except you and Hopkirk, which really says a lot about who's coming after me) who I replaced and I don't think he played a good game either way.

tbf, mod hasn't updated the playerlist to reflect. I didn't remember either.

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VOTE: projectmatt

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Oh. Ok.

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Could people at least say why I am best?

I'm fine with it, but express some reasoning first.

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Um...I'll claim after there is some reasoning posted.

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My lynch once people give their reasoning for it.

I am not fine with a naked vote lynch.

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You look pretty bad here btw.

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If people take a stance on why they are lynching me, it gives town info. I'm cool with that, especially given the game state.

You already unvoted me after that stated reason, so it looks bad.

Neither. It was producing a wagon that took awhile to reach this state. What happened afterward?

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Like...there is one scum left. Statistically we're going to hit town today...so...put some reasoning behind it.

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I already gave it. Learn to read.

Yours?

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VOTE: jjd

Happy to go back here given my stance before and your play since.

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I already gave it. Learn to read.

Liar.

Ur vote was just on projectmatt. You did not give reasons.

Neither.

It was producing a wagon

that took awhile to reach this state. What happened afterward?

Suck an egg. And then give reasons. Why are you stalling on that?

also are u still refusing to claim? Ur at L-1 yo.

No intent. yo. Head on over to my queue and we can re-teach you the basics.

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You already unvoted me after that stated reason, so it looks bad.

I feel like you either aren't reading what I am saying, or don't actual have a good reason for me being scum that came after you town read me again. Probably the latter.

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Meh. VT.

Lynch JJD tomorrow.

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I've already claimed so I'm not sure why you're waiting.

also not sure where your town read of me went

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if this flips town then I think creature.

Hiraki still town.

It flips town.

I hardbus as scum.

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Vote JJD tomorrow. Plskthx.

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Then Creature if JJD flips town.