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ok im here guys. thanks for having me.
Reading and analysing the game now.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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christ, i've written 2 A4 pages of notes, and i've just read upto page 4.
Its gonna be a long night! lol
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Nightkilled - 10
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ok. first off, im not lurking. every spare chance i get, im reading through this game. Theres alot of content, and if you dont mind it being unfinished, and possibly inaccurate, i'll post what i have so far.Pink Puppy wrote:
How's this going?Battle Mage wrote: Reading and analysing the game now.
BM
You could always post what you have so far...
I didnt realise we were under a deadline, but ok... 0.o
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
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Ok, first useful post of the game comes from Omg. His setup analysis seems pretty protown-it’s the first thing I thought of doing when I looked at the game.
We know there is 1 cultist. Im not totally convinced that we have a GF as opposed to 2 goons. The idea of a GF, is that it belittles the value of a cop. I think the POSSIBILITY of a GF could be enough to serve the same purpose. I mean, all cop innocents are going to be taken with a pinch of salt, which in itself could be the factor that balances it to the town and the cult. I think his comments on the protown power role front are extremely valid. Obviously we have a Cop, and most probably we have a Doctor and an RB. I’m torn about a 4th power role though, as whilst it would undoubtedly reduce the cults power and make it more reasonable, it could eliminate the likelihood of scum claiming power roles (obviously if 4 are already revealed, any more are going to be bogus).
Unfortunately this is where my praise ends. I don’t see the analysis of what COULD happen to be of much value, especially as it is built on false situations. When I first looked at this game, my thought was, “shit we need to kill the cult leader straight away, otherwise we are well and truly f*ed. But upon closer inspection, the odds of a recruitment being successful aren’t that great. Odds are, they will only make a successful recruitment on every 2nd night, which means even by Day 3, they will probably only be the same size as the mafia, except without an NK.
His next post reeks of paranoia. Im not sure where he drew the conclusion that Elias suspected him of being scum, but his reaction leaves me completely bemused.
Dahen is of course correct in saying that not claiming atall is the best policy, although im not sure what he means buy a strategic massclaim later in the game.Explanation?
Oman’s post 24 is spot on. Good to see Friend of Old pick up on Omg for this. His responses (post 36-38) give a further impression of defensiveness.
Post 40 is made very nervously. Very scummy vibes.
Blazerunners defence of him is also notable.
OMG does explain himself later, but I still think he was protesting a bit too much.
Post 50 is another false dilemma brought up by OMG. Its perhaps the most pathetically obvious mafia excuse I’ve ever seen. You think that, if we had 7 players, including 1 mafia and a cult recruiter, we would choose NOT to lynch the mafia member? Or perhaps more worryingly, you don’t seem to have quite got to grips with the fact that the Cult is an enemy of the town AS WELL AS the Mafia. Note how he aptly neglects to mention the possibility of him being a member of the former.
Then he responds to Xreyox’s assuation of him being overdefensive, with a protest, and then an OMGUS vote. Just rofl. Srsly. Also notable is his seemed unfamiliarity with the townie role pm (referring to it as ‘villager’).
Then Elias chimes in, claiming that:
1. Overdefensiveness is not a scumtell (interested to hear reason for this)
2. OMG posts a lot, so he is probably town. (explanation on this should be forthcoming too)
3. OMG wasn’t being overdefensive anyway, although he was pre-emptively defensive to an unnecessary extent.
0.o
Post 55, and OMG continues pushing the same shite-logic. Here’s a question for ya: How do you suppose we differentiate between cult and mafia? They’re both scum at the end of the day. Using this logic is bad enough, but you are using it to DEFEND YOURSELF?
Post 56 by Elias is a slight change of tune. He suggests that perhaps OMG is posting too much, which is why he gives off a scummy vibe. But I thought posting frequently was a town-tell Elias?
Post 61, Elias claims that OMG is not playing to his town-meta, which is interesting, as it doesn’t appear to look like distancing.
Post 62 is so much bs, its hilarious. Could you get it any MORE wrong?
Post 64 seems paranoid. As far as I can see there was little bias in Xreyox’s question. OMG is still seeming way too defensive, and the fact he doesn’t realise it is all the more scummy.
Post 70 is frustratingly arrogant. Does this guy seriously believe that a pathetic explanation confirms his innocence?! Has he ever played mafia before on this site???
Hate to break it to you dude, but your whole attitude up till now has been defensive. Not entirely unforgivable as you have been legitimately attacked a fair bit, but even so, you cant argue with facts.
Blazerunner steps up to defend OMG, but does ask some pretty relevant questions. Not sure about his ‘village strategy’ though. Cant see how he came up with it, or how it would benefit us ATALL… :$
I really like Friend of Old’s post 77. Pretty much mimics how I’ve been feeling up to this point. Page 4, and Xreyox appears to be taking up the Prolific Poster mantle from OMG.
GhostWriter seems reluctant to talk. Something about him seems telling, but I cant figure out which way he goes yet…
Post 85 seems to be a false dilemma, but Ghost Writer does make it sound convincing I have to say. Sadly his theory comes unstuck at the fact that OMG was acting overdefensive long before he came under pressure for it.
Post 88 made me smile. Sounds like the kind of challenge I love. An incredibly easy one. OMG, I suggest you read everything I’ve said up till now. Then, I challenge you to find me ONE post of yours which ISNT uber-defensive.
In post 89 he is starting to make more sense. In post 90, Blazerunner seems to unintentionally belittle the case on OMG, on false grounds. But can I really find that malicious in a guy who doesn’t know what an FoS is? Lol
Woah, post 94 is ringing serious alarm bells with me. Elias- yep the guy who said posting frequently was a town tell- is now suggesting that OMG deserves a vote for doing this! 0.o
He denies the validity of the over-defensiveness argument, yet does not wonder at the motives of the people pushing such an argument. The meta argument makes his case stronger, but I don’t really feel he is actually scumhunting here.
Dahens post 97 (his first post?) features a good question.
My response to Blazerunner’s suggested strategy is that it is incredibly pro-cult. No lynching gives them a free recruit attempt, and there is no logic I can see for the cop claiming on Day 2, instead of Day 1. Post 103 brings up a strange situation. I actually think that in contrast to his immense faith in his own mafia ability, OMG does not think much of anyone else, and ironically, commits the same offence here that he attacked others for earlier…
In post 104 he again assumes that the mafia defo have a GF. Is this deliberately misleading the town, or is he revealing info? The latter seems more likely imo.
Post 105 by Oman is timely and accurate. Norinel suggests that we may not have a Cop and a Doc atall. Post 110 by Dahen is a little surprising, jumping in with a vote for Oman. His case isn’t terrible, but I think hes looking a little one-sidedly. Anyway, I don’t think its necessarily scum, just probably wrong. Friend of old puts pressure on lurkers. Militants subsequent post is scummy. Post 113 by Ghostwriter makes good sense. OMG requests more hasty bandwagonning.
Elias responds suitably with a vote for OMG. :p
Interesting that Xreyox questions CKD’s vote, and Blazerunner again undermines it. Militants post 122 is frustratingly pointless and dumb. Thank god for Ghostwriter tbh.
Post 124 is strange. CKD continues his vote, whilst admitting his reasons are weak…
Omans defence is strong. LaLaland makes Lalalittle sense… like so many others, he excuses OMG’s scummy play, stating that he finds him innocent, and then chucks a vote on, saying that he is the scummiest player so far. Wtf is that?
Don’t like Xreyox’s post 136. Seems like fabricated reasoning to attack Oman. Either that, or he has serious comprehension problems.
Post 138 by Elias is good. Oman is wrong in post 139. I think the Mod said that the only mafia power role available was a GF, but I could be totally off the mark here.
141 is another stinker by OMG. He says basically that the case on LaLaLand is laughably poor (which I feel is a bit strong) and yet he decides to put pressure on, despite having no reason to believe he is scum. Im not buying post 142 either. If I can understand what Oman means, theres no excuse for anyone else. Post 143 by Dahen made me smile with its legitimacy.
Post 147 does kind of invoke sympathy for LaLaLand. I mean, his family deal in DOLLARS ffs. 0.o Him choosing not to play the newbie card is a towntell.
Post 148 makes Elias sound remarkably similar to LLL who he attacked for wanting a random lynch. Rofl
Post 151 makes me like OMG slightly more. He shares my policy on LaL, and he DID succeed in getting a lurker to post. Maybe once we’ve lynched you, we can meet up for a drink?
It worries me that in Post 153, XReyox looks like he wants to use LLL’s honesty as a reason to vote him…
Post 155 is a funny one. MrOMGUS USA 2008 votes for Xreyox, and I especially like his way of validating it to a ridiculously superficial extent. Somehow, Xreyox misreading him at the start of the post, turns into ‘Continuous Anti-Town Behaviour’ by the end! Lol
Friend of Old steps in with a good post. Elias, Elias, Elias. Where were you when I needed you in Clue Mafia?? Post 163 by Xreyox is shit-logic btw. Through and through.
Post 165 is fair enough, but it doesn’t explain why on earth OMG felt the need to mention his meta in the first place. It just gives the scum more chance of outguessing him. I should note that I disagree with Xreyox’s assuation that a Doc is more useful than an RB. I’d say an RB > Doc but a Cop > RB in terms of ability to help the town catch scum. His suggestion that a Mafia RB might be suspected is only true if the RB blocks a CLAIMED POWER ROLE, which is a false dilemma.
Ghostwriter defends OMG.
Elias claims that wagon on OMG is baseless in agreement with him. Post 173 by Blazerunner wins the BEST POST OF THE GAME AWARD! *insert copyright symbol here*
I should note that, following on from that, the ideal stance with regard to claiming, is either to not do it atall, or to make sure that everyone is aware that the claims MAY not be true. Giving the scum indication of the truthfulness of our claim is bad play.
175 is a strange post. Id like to think it’s a joke, but… 0.o
I feel Blazerunners vote on Elias is justified. It is possible that he is setting up for a scum gambit later on.
Post 186 is interesting. Im not sure I like the way Norinel bailed from the dying wagon there. Post 187 is remarkably protown by OMG. Its not how id expect scum to behave. Oh and the stuff about scum being somehow more intelligent and more able to crack WIFOM than town seems like BS to me. I mean 2 heads are better than one, but I don’t think we should be shitting ourselves just yet. Lol
I think Blazerunner lets Elias off lightly. Xreyox makes little sense at the end of Page 8/start of Page 9.
Odd that Dahen cites the first protown post OMG makes as being the first SCUMMY one. 0.0 Post 204 seems a bit impatient with regard to Ghostrider from Xreyox. Oman stinks of town. Elias on the other hand, seems a bit forced in his constant, unrelenting defence of OMG.
Post 212. OMG is back. OMGUSes GSGold. In post 213 he admits his logical error, but doesn’t take the vote off.
Need I say again that Xreyox’s logic is terrible. Oman has been spot on this game, probably because he’s played the setup before. Wagon on GS builds on grounds of lurking. Cant say I think its scummy to BW a lurker.
Ok im at the start of Page 10. Heres my LoS so far:
OMG – Highly Scummy
Elias- Fairly Scummy
Militant- Slightly Scummy
LaLaLand- Slightly Scummy (now Xtoxm)
XreyoX- Slightly scummy
Norinel- Neutral
Dahen- Neutral
BlazeRunner- Neutral
Ghostwriter- Fairly Protown
FriendofOld- Very protown
Oman- Highly protown
Anyone ranked Fairly Scummy or higher is someone I’d be willing to lynch on the spot. Anyone ranked Slightly scummy is one to keep an eye on, and could be lynchable in the future.
Anyone ranked neutral, I cant really find anything major that suggests they are either protown or anti-town.
Fairly Protown means that im leaning towards protown, but not absolutely sure.
Very Protown or above means you are virtually beyond reproach, and im nearly certain that you are town, or at the very least, not going to be lynched for a while.
I’ll continue reading over the weekend fo’ sure. In meantime,Unvote, Vote: OMGif I am not already.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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I disagree. In fact, overdefensiveness is a great scumtell because it so neatly excludes the majority of townies. Simply put, scum need to survive to win. Townies dont TO THE SAME EXTENT. Equally, townies tend not to be defensive to start with. A defensive townie is useless. We want aggressive townies who keep scum on their toes, and are constantly watching for slips. If a player is not scumhunting, and instead seems to be solely concerned with his own survival, he is probably scum.Elias_the_thief wrote:Thoughts on BM's thoughts:
1) Overdefensiveness is not a scumtell. Townies do not have survivor win conditions, its true, but its only instinct to try to prevent your own lynch. Defensiveness is a key part of my town play. Also, being very defensive is good town play, as one less townie candidate for lynch = that much more chance of scum being lynched.
Ah ok. I guess you didnt make this last point clear. So posting alot at the start of the day, when little of value is being discussed is ok, but posting alot when the town gets into its stride is real fishy, right?Elias wrote: 2) NOWHERE did I say that posting frequently was a town tell in general. I said I was getting a town feel from him early on based on his high activity level. That doesnt mean that he can just post a lot the rest of the day and be town, and at a certain point overactivity seems fishy to me.
Ok ill concede this one, although tbh, i cant see what you are expecting to happen.Elias wrote: 3) Post 148 is by no means similar to LLL. LLL was suggesting a random lynch. I was suggesting a randomwagon. Random wagons are extremely good for town. They force players to actually take a stand, they garner information about the playrs reaction, and in general create discussion. Comparing random wagons to random lynches is really dumb, and I thought you were experiened enough to know the difference.
Elias: Lets start a random wagon
OMG: Lets wagon BM
Scum: Yep lets show ourselves to be BWing retards. lol
But on a serious note, yes i get what you're saying.
link me to these games please.Elias wrote: 4) I am defending OMG adamantly because I've played with him twice before and seen lynched for weak reasons that were spurred on by bad reactions on his part. Both times he's been town.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
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It isnt. But then i never said it was. lolXReyoX wrote:OK, I've isolated the stuffs that you've said against me so that I can adress them a little bit easier.
Is that scummy?BM wrote:Page 4, and Xreyox appears to be taking up the Prolific Poster mantle from OMG.
CKD is what i call CuriousKarmaDog. Which is odd because he is the Mod. I guess i mustve made a mistake. It should be pretty apparent who i meant if u read back. The entire analysis is done in chronological order.Xreyox wrote:
What is CKD?BM wrote:Interesting that Xreyox questions CKD’s vote, and Blazerunner again undermines it.
Correction. The first half is you trying to make Oman's suggested strategy seem scummy, when in fact it is not. The second half is you misrepresenting him further. I did say that it could just be that you didnt understand any of what Oman had said.Xreyox wrote:
Could you explain how it looks facbricated?BM wrote:Don’t like Xreyox’s post 136. Seems like fabricated reasoning to attack Oman. Either that, or he has serious comprehension problems.
The first half is me explaining why i think fakeclaiming is not beneficial and the second half is me misreading oman's post. He has explained it 3 posts below mine.
Exactly. And someone with even the slightest amount of experience understands the concept of the 'newbie card'. LLL chose not to play it, and made himself look scummier, but in a way i felt was genuine.Xreyox wrote:
Anyone who have played mafia would know that random lynch is almost the worst thing you can do. when lalaland suggested it, I assumed that she is completely new to the game. I really don't think player who has at least some experience would suggest that. Or are you saying you support the idea of random lynch?BM wrote:It worries me that in Post 153, XReyox looks like he wants to use LLL’s honesty as a reason to vote him…
its post 163. If you really think any of it valid, repost it, and ill happily take it apart for you.Xreyox wrote:
Point it out for me please. ?BM wrote:Post 163 by Xreyox is shit-logic btw. Through and through.
You've never played a game with multiple killing groups?Xreyox wrote:
It's just a different point of view. I only believe that Doc is more useful because his ability can only be beneficial to the town.BM wrote:should note that I disagree with Xreyox’s assuation that a Doc is more useful than an RB. I’d say an RB > Doc but a Cop > RB in terms of ability to help the town catch scum.
But the advantage would be that the RB could be confirmed by the blocked power role, and so even a worst case scenario achieves some good.Xreyox wrote:On the other hand, roleblocker can prevent town power roles from performing their night actions as well. Assuming that the number of town power roles is usually higher than that of the mafia, the chance of a role blocker causing negative effects on the town is higher.
EXACTLY. If an UNCLAIMED, UNCONFIRMED power role gets blocked, it is quite possible that the RBer was still protown. Its only if the power role has claimed and is widely believed that you would have reason to suspect a Mafia RB.Xreyox wrote:
I did not say that its only true if the RB blocks a claimed power role. Why would a Town RB want block a claimed power role?BM wrote:His suggestion that a Mafia RB might be suspected is only true if the RB blocks a CLAIMED POWER ROLE, which is a false dilemma.
ok.Xreyox wrote:
OKBM wrote:Xreyox makes little sense at the end of Page 8/start of Page 9.
BMShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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gd thinking. WIFOM is nothing to do with metagame. Its kind of hard to explain. Id reccommend reading the wiki. Or alternatively, look in mafia discussion. MoS made a thread on it a little while back.Blazerunner wrote:First off, sorry to BM for saying he was lurking, I hadnt realized his reading about the game was gonna be that detailed. His result justifies the time he spent without posting
Now, I started reading the game again, checking BM and Dahen's comments on their re-reads, and I realized I dont know what WIFOM means, i didnt want to ask when the game started, thinking I would eventually understand, but I am still confused...
Looks to me like something about metagame, but I dont quite understand it, and I think it is critical to understand, so I can re-read the game better
also @Xreyox- i forgot to add that commenting only on things that pertain to you is slightly scummy. Id at least reccommend reading the stuff relating to your main suspects. I can be as guilty of this as the next guy, but it'd be nice if u have time to respond to the rest.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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Cut the crap with me kiddo. Firstly i read through the game chronologically, so when i wrote that, i hadnt read your numerous subsequent excuses. Secondly, they were all poor, and dont excuse your original behaviour in my mind.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:Also, BM, i stopped reading your post at:
If you are not even going to bother to try to understand something that has been clarified about 6 times already im not going to go back over it with you. Its not my job to hold the hands and walk people through this game if they cant be bothered to put in any effort at all.His next post reeks of paranoia. Im not sure where he drew the conclusion that Elias suspected him of being scum, but his reaction leaves me completely bemused.
Ill respond to some more of your posts when i can. Mod, if you could please fix the tags of my earlier post, thatd be great thanks
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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lol. do me a favour and dont try and act patronising if CKD's been good enough to allow you to play this game. Your idea of a hypothetical analogy appears to be an ill-considered pro-scum argument in the history of MS. I think i'd get more sensible conversation out of a fruit salad. Srsly. -.-omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:Ok i tried a little more, but this is just frustrating to read how ridiculous that post is.
Please please just go use a dictionary yourself and find out what the words 'analogy' and 'hypothetical' mean. Please just put in 5 minutes of effort. If you still dont understand then by all means ask me and we can waste another 3 pages with me explaining it to you.Post 50 is another false dilemma brought up by OMG. Its perhaps the most pathetically obvious mafia excuse I’ve ever seen. You think that, if we had 7 players, including 1 mafia and a cult recruiter, we would choose NOT to lynch the mafia member? Or perhaps more worryingly, you don’t seem to have quite got to grips with the fact that the Cult is an enemy of the town AS WELL AS the Mafia. Note how he aptly neglects to mention the possibility of him being a member of the former.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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yep thats fair enough. Of course there is almost certainly a Cop anyway, in order to allow for the WIFOM of a GF.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:I should probably address this tho:
When I first read the original post (I dont play on this site much), I read it as: "Mafia PM's: then two mafia pms below". I was under the impression that as there were 2 mafia in the game, and 2 mafia pms listed, that those were the 2 pms that were sent out to mafia. I assumed from the OP that the role setup was 1 cultist, 1 mafia goon, 1 mafia godfather, and then an unknown amount of village power roles to enable those bad guys to claim easier. I also further assumed that if there was a godfather in the game then there must also be a cop, otherwise the godfather role would be useless. I mention this in my earlier posts.In post 104 he again assumes that the mafia defo have a GF. Is this deliberately misleading the town, or is he revealing info? The latter seems more likely imo.
Im not familiar with the term 'angleshooting'. But if what you are saying is that you are worried about being confirmed town-dont be. In fact, even implying that it makes you confirmed town is incredibly scummy. It could only even be CONSIDERED a towntell, if the scum have 2 goons, which is far from proven. And even then, im not sure it holds up.OMG wrote: I didnt want to discuss this earlier, because I felt it would be really angleshooty and unfair to the real scum, as if i didnt know this then I am pretty much 100% town/cultist. I was quite happy to let it go and just play on without taking the unfair advantage of angleshooting.
And anyway, why the f*** would you NOT want to clear yourself of being scum? I mean, im all for fair play, but if i thought id given off a massive towntell, id want people to know about it, so i didnt get lynched. Your motivation in this game is getting wierder and wierder.
rofl. Yeh, its CRAZY to think that an obvious mafia slip up could be a scumtell. What was i thinking eh?OMG wrote: However, as unbelievable as it is someone is actually reading this as a 'scumtell', I feel I should address it now. You forced my hand, I do apologise to the real scum but it was a simple misunderstanding.
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Survived to the end and won - 11
Nightkilled - 10
Survived to the end and lost - 6
Day-elimmed by majority - 4
winrate as scum: 78%
winrate as town: 55%-
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The basic idea is, Cult wants to find townies, Mafia wants to find power roles. If the Cult targets a power role, they dont get anything. If the Mafia target a townie, we dont lose a power role. Its basic logic to want to confuse them.XReyoX wrote:
I wasn't trying trying to make Oman's suggested strategy seem scummy. I still believe it is scummy because it confuses the town and allow the scum to make an excuse to fakeclaim as well. Still... no one has given me an example of how effective fakeclaiming on the town side can be so the strategy isn't back up by previous games or anything.BM wrote: Correction. The first half is you trying to make Oman's suggested strategy seem scummy, when in fact it is not. The second half is you misrepresenting him further. I did say that it could just be that you didnt understand any of what Oman had said.
Examples of fakeclaiming in normal games are claiming cop as a doc, as i did in Clue. It did backfire in the end, but my claim ensured that i survived to endgame as opposed to dying Night 1.
Yeah, so you did it because it looked protown. Difference here is, i dont think LLL was quite competent enough to do that, and her post felt genuine.Xreyox wrote:
Actually, choosing not to play the newbie card was one of my scum tactics. I won 2 games as scums when I first joined. I don't know whether doing so actually contribute to me winning the game or not but i did say, don't treat me like a newbie and attack me if you find me scummy, thinking it would make me look pro-town.BM wrote:Exactly. And someone with even the slightest amount of experience understands the concept of the 'newbie card'. LLL chose not to play it, and made himself look scummier, but in a way i felt was genuine.
links to games?Xreyox wrote:
Break me down for it please. AND with links to games if possible.BM wrote:its post 163. If you really think any of it valid, repost it, and ill happily take it apart for you.
Have you even READ the post in question?
true enoughXreyox wrote:
I have but this is not one of those, is it?BM wrote: You've never played a game with multiple killing groups?
Lol Mafia RB is generally pretty rare. Id even say more rare than a mafia choosing not to kill, or the doc protecting against a kill that would have hit scum.Xreyox wrote:
A RB can be confirmed, but you won't know which side he is on. Pretty pointless don't you think? On the other hand a doc can also be confirmed by misskills. The scums can choose not to kill at night but it would be their loss. In this game, it would be even worse for them if they do so as the cult will keep growing.BM wrote:
But the advantage would be that the RB could be confirmed by the blocked power role, and so even a worst case scenario achieves some good.
what the fuck are you talking about? A town RB isnt going to block a claimed cop unless he has a V good reason. You seem to be insinuating that anyone who considers blocking a claimed power role MUST be a mafia RB, which is untrue.Xreyox wrote:
????? OK, lets say someone claims to be a cop but it is not confirmed. Why would you block him if you're a town RB? How is that beneficial to the town?BM wrote:His suggestion that a Mafia RB might be suspected is only true if the RB blocks a CLAIMED POWER ROLE, which is a false dilemma.
I did not say that its only true if the RB blocks a claimed power role. Why would a Town RB want block a claimed power role?
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*sigh* this is not what you originally said. You said that if an unclaimed power role was blocked we should assume a mafia RB which is incorrect.Xreyox wrote:
Thats what I'm saying. A TOWN RB isn't going to block a claimed cop unless has a V good reason. So if you're a claimed cop and you get blocked, what do you think?BM wrote: what the fuck are you talking about? A town RB isnt going to block a claimed cop unless he has a V good reason. You seem to be insinuating that anyone who considers blocking a claimed power role MUST be a mafia RB, which is untrue.
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actually i see what Blazerunner is trying to say. Why would Elias draw such attention to himself? Except you forget that with 2 mafia in the game, they arent going to want to see the other die on Day 1. I dont think its unreasonable that he would defend his buddy outright, as he can always call in the WIFOM argument later.Pink Puppy wrote:Sorry but the argument that omg and elias can't be scum together is classic WIFOM.
Look at this quote about it:
wiki wrote:In Mafia, WIFOM arguments are often a Scum tactic used to distract the Town. The scum will make an unusual play at night, which would lead to a situation that would 'clear' them (because players will think, "Why would a scum do that?"). These arguments are sometimes used by Newbies and should be avoided in favor of clearer arguments.
Elias could have made that comment about omg intentionally as an unusual play so that later it will look like "but scum wouldn't do that!"
It's just too hard to guess.
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In this game they do. With only 2 mafia and a Cult Recruiter, bussing isnt something i expect to see for a while yet. Ive never yet seen a scum gambit which was designed to help the town.Elias_the_thief wrote:
Actually, scum dont need to survive to win. Lots of gambits involve scum sacrificing themselves to help the town, and bussing is common practice. With experienced scum, the instinct to survive really shouldnt be something exhibited.Battle Mage wrote: Simply put, scum need to survive to win. Townies dont TO THE SAME EXTENT.
theres a difference between defending yourself adamantly and being more concerned with your own survival than your victory in the game.Elias wrote:
Not true. Noobs will instinctively defend themselves adamantly, not because they want to stay in for town benefit, but because they dont want to stop playing. Its two motives working against eachother, but it varies whether noob townies fall into it or not.Battle Mage wrote: Equally, townies tend not to be defensive to start with.
A defensive townie will not successfully defend himself. A defensive townie gets lynched BECAUSE he is defensive. If a townie isnt scumhunting at all times, he isnt doing his job, although obviously i appreciate that he has to try and survive aswell.Elias wrote:
Thats not true either. A townie who successfully defends himself stops a townie lynch and increases the likelihood of a scum lynch. Also, once he has defended himself sufficiently he can go back to scumhunting.Battle Mage wrote: A defensive townie is useless.
I guess that is subject to experience. How many games have you played on MS?Elias wrote:
The last part is again, not true.Battle Mage wrote: We want aggressive townies who keep scum on their toes, and are constantly watching for slips. If a player is not scumhunting, and instead seems to be solely concerned with his own survival, he is probably scum.
will check over those games when i get time.
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Umm, you might wanna try going back and reading the original point. The actual discussion was over whether or not a power role getting RBed was necessarily the work of a Mafia RB, which, if the power role hadnt claimed, is of course not true.Norinel wrote:On the one hand, it feels good to see a lot of huge posts that aren't just OMG vs. the world. On the other hand, my brain's sort of glazing over most of it right now, but here are a few points I thought were interesting.
I'm not sure where this argument started- BM seems to be arguing that Xreyo is proposing an unreasonable extreme, but I'm not seeing it.XreyoX wrote:
Thats what I'm saying. A TOWN RB isn't going to block a claimed cop unless has a V good reason. So if you're a claimed cop and you get blocked, what do you think?BM wrote:what the fuck are you talking about? A town RB isnt going to block a claimed cop unless he has a V good reason. You seem to be insinuating that anyone who considers blocking a claimed power role MUST be a mafia RB, which is untrue.
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lol im not an idiot. I know what an analogy is. I just dont understand how you think that your suicidal strategies can be excused by using the 'a' word. Give me some context to work from please.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:rofl @ the idea of me and elias being scum together.
man that would have been fun.
battle mage - do you or do you not understand what an analogy is? you made it clear repeatedly in your earlier post that you didnt understand the language i was using, and thats fair enough, i should have been clearer. the misunderstandings are basically both our faults, and like i said i will not use such complex language again (i am used to playing with ppl that speak similarly to myself).
please reread post 339 and nothing else. explain to me which of my actions there is scummy. anything that isnt in post 339 YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD. i cant make this clearer for you. im not going to waste everyones time spending 3 pages explaining each little thing. im sorry for writing in complex language earlier and i will not write in such language again.
please address post 339 and then explain your vote.
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lol. that about wraps it up i think. You are Mafia. (cult recruiter would not risk suicide like this). If you seriously thought the cult would try and recruit you, you are actually crazy. You are so obviously scum, its untrue, and i think the bussing implicates ur buddy as Elias.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:Actually, you know what, lynching a townie is a great result for us today. It saves our power roles from claiming, and it means the cultist is completely in the dark tonite.
Also, and more importantly - If i wasnt to die, any cultist with an IQ >50 would be able to see that i was obviously a townie given my earlier give away about not being scum, and would recruit me tonight.
So much right now is confusing as heck because people cant see for sure that I am pro-town. Some people are having a lot of trouble understanding the things I have written, and I think things would be a lot clearer if I was dead and proven townie. Then you can all look back on today and actually look at who was pushing me with craplogic (FoO), and who was defending me with no reason (Elias).
This may be unorthodox, but this is not me giving up, this is me truly doing what I feel is best for the village, me surviving today ensures I get recruited tonite and thus makes a town victory very difficult. Gl guys, someone hammer please.
Unvote, Vote: Omg_im_innocent_wtf
Also - Mod please pm me the roles of scum/cultist after I die, my final guess is:
Scum - FoO, Elias
Cultist - Battle Mage
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WIFOM or not, its what we do in Mafia. when scum dies, we use the info in order to draw conclusions about their buddies.Elias_the_thief wrote:Dude...if he's scum, its completely WIFOM where he put his suspicions...
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just to confirm, 'shot gun' is the flavour used for vigs. This fits with the kill choice, and the fact we only have 1 anti-town killing faction.Oman wrote:"shot" is a vig IMO, but it can be either.
It appears my scumdar has been WAY off, this game. I'm going to look carefully at the behaviour surrounding yesterdays lynch and see if that fares me better.
I dont think our situation is terrible, though it could be better. On the one hand, it is highly likely that the cult recruiter failed last night, which means we still have 3 scum at this point. On the other hand, we could do with hitting a mafia member today, or with our vig tonight.
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Y?Xtoxm wrote:I think a BM or Oman lynch is the way to go.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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Don't be stupid. Are you just messing around, or are you holding out on us with an actual explanation?Xtoxm wrote:
Think I said yesterday?Battle Mage wrote:
Y?Xtoxm wrote:I think a BM or Oman lynch is the way to go.
Basically I think you are scum.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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So how does this make me scum?Xtoxm wrote:I am basically continuing on from yesterday. I thought OMG was quite clearly town, and Blazerunner was looking very much like newbie town, which is reasonable for the scum to get rid of early.
I was thinking this too actually, but then realised that it was pointless to speculate as killing a recruit is pretty pointless atm.Xtoxm wrote: Another question to think about - Who is likely to have been a target for the cult's recruit? I think Elias was considered scummy enough for him to be out. I don't think a recruit of a newer player is at all likely. Were I recruiter I know i'd want to go after one of the most experienced players in the game. Our best hope is that the recruiter hit a scum or town power role.
Ofcourse, this question only works perfectly if the cult recruiter is none of us alive. But I think the target would have fallen on one of Oman, BM, XReyoX. Reyo because of the large activity, Oman BM cause they are the pro's around here.
I cant see anyone recruiting Xreyox looking objectively, because his play hasnt exactly been spotless.
As far as experience goes, Norinel far exceeds either me or Oman. If i recall, so does Dahen.
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wait. what?Pink Puppy wrote:
True, I don't see what speculating on mafia power roles can accomplish. Nothing good for town.Norinel wrote:As far as the mafia power role things goes, don't all the standard ones only mess around with the town power roles anyway? (GF only makes a difference if there's a cop/vig, roleblocker only interferes with power roles, framer makes life harder for the cop) With only a handful of town roles total, and none of them outed yet except the vig, I don't see why speculation does much good. It'd probably just do more to expose the power roles.
Good things for mafia though, xToxm.
How does discussing mafia power roles benefit the mafia? 0.o
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no, im just saying that i think you trying to paint it as anything other than an inexperience tell, is suspicious.Pink Puppy wrote:
In the way of outing pro-town power roles through clues someone might drop in discussion.Battle Mage wrote:
wait. what?Pink Puppy wrote:
True, I don't see what speculating on mafia power roles can accomplish. Nothing good for town.Norinel wrote:As far as the mafia power role things goes, don't all the standard ones only mess around with the town power roles anyway? (GF only makes a difference if there's a cop/vig, roleblocker only interferes with power roles, framer makes life harder for the cop) With only a handful of town roles total, and none of them outed yet except the vig, I don't see why speculation does much good. It'd probably just do more to expose the power roles.
Good things for mafia though, xToxm.
How does discussing mafia power roles benefit the mafia? 0.o
BM
Do you think discussion potential power roles can benefit town? I mean, I'm happy to be proven wrong....
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This makes major sense.Oman wrote:Okay, if we look at this at face value (the vig will kill Xtom tonight if he is fakeclaiming) and say that Xtom is a powerrole, he is NOT CULT. This is big, we have one guarenteed non-cultist. Meaning that even though vig is a dicey role in this game (I know I was the vig last game).
I say we are at a very interesting decision here.
let 1 townpowerrole = doc:
Let Xtoxm = Vigilantee -> obviously protecting him from night kills is the best move as we have a confirmed townie with no cult-ableness.
Let Xtoxm = Scum -> obviously the vig will try to kill him, but the doc should protect him (see Xtoxm = vigilantee).
Thus, I think that contrary to standard vig play any vigilantee should counterclaim now, if not, we should accept that Xtoxm IS town.
Not Vig
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Gee, i feel really bad about NKing you now.Blazerunner wrote:Bah. Congratulations, Battle Mage. Happy Birthday!
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My thoughts exactly. I know it can be hard not to just retall what happened, but its good if you can make some judgements on events as you read through.XReyoX wrote:Hey dahen, I'm more interested in your thoughts about various people rather than a summary of what we did.
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Are you saying my scumdar is shit?XReyoX wrote:
....That probably means he is scum.......Battle Mage wrote:that said, from his LoS, i'm 95% sure he's town.
*runs and hides in a corner*
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List of Suspects normally, although i prefer the acronym definition of League of Suspicion, seeing as it follows that format.Pink Puppy wrote:What does LoS mean?
AlsoFoS: Xreyox
reluctance to get a unanimously declared townie is a scumtell. Of course, this FoS wont bother you, because it probably means you are town, right?
lol
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Let me tell u a story.Xtoxm wrote:BM, I don't understand what you mean there, could you try to explain better?
Why to you think Reyo is scum?
I personally find him very town.
Player A is protown.
Player A makes an analysis.
Everyone in the town thinks that Player A is probably protown.
Player B is scum.
Player B doesnt especially want to eliminate a potential mislynch, so he argues against the decision of the town.
Its only a scenario, but ive done it on numerous occassions as scum. As such, i consider it a pretty reliable scumtell.
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-.-XReyoX wrote:Not everyone has commented on this. But for the moment, the "everyone" you are referring to is only you, xtoxm and GW.
Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with me not agreeing with most of the town. And I certain don't think because everyone thinks he is town I'll then have to agree. I can judge on my own, i think, and I hope.
Thats not what i'm saying. I'm saying that it is generally scum who want to keep their options open. Thats what i felt you were doing.
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Umm, What?Xtoxm wrote:
It looks like that is what you are doing to Reyo, and I think his not dismissing of dahen is compeltely warranted.Battle Mage wrote:
Let me tell u a story.Xtoxm wrote:BM, I don't understand what you mean there, could you try to explain better?
Why to you think Reyo is scum?
I personally find him very town.
Player A is protown.
Player A makes an analysis.
Everyone in the town thinks that Player A is probably protown.
Player B is scum.
Player B doesnt especially want to eliminate a potential mislynch, so he argues against the decision of the town.
Its only a scenario, but ive done it on numerous occassions as scum. As such, i consider it a pretty reliable scumtell.
BM
unvote vote BM.
I'm dismissing Xreyox as scum? I'm going against the majority by saying that he is a suspect?
I dont understand this post atall. Please explain.
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I dont understand. I dont even disagree. I dont understand how i could possibly be guilty of the same thing i accused him of. Please elaborate properly.Xtoxm wrote:I'm saying it looks like you are doing what you just accused Reyo of doing, to me.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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As was pointed out earlier, 3 people is not 'everyone'.XReyoX wrote:
I don't agree with that because once a scum knows that everyone thinks someone is town, disagreeing with everyone else won't do him any good.Pink Puppy wrote:I agree that that is a frequent scum reaction -- the more people you either confirm as town or express that you think they are townish -- the harder it is for you to hide and get somebody else lynched.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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really?Pink Puppy wrote:Maybe because a lot of people have said they think reyo is town?
if that is the case, i wasnt payin attention. But yeh, i can see how you could think that.
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Ah there u are Xtoxm. You can save me the hassle of proving your point for you. Please go and prove that everyone here thinks Xreyox is town. Theres a good lad.
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you said that alot did. Unless you are now retracting your point, about me being a hypocrite?
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thats a false comparison. My point was about people attacking someone who is WIDELY regarded as town. if 3 people is a loose definition, 1 person just doesnt cut it. Why is your vote still on me?Xtoxm wrote:My point is/was that are trying to generate suspicion to a player I strongly believe is town, atm.
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im not sure. not a majority of the town, but a majority of active players fo sure. There were no dissenters at least.Xtoxm wrote:Cause I think you are scum.
Do you find it scummy that I don't unvote you.
How many players stated they thought dahen was town? 8, 9?
And yes i do find it scummy that you maintain a vote that is based upon logic which you can clearly see is bogus.
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this brings back painful memories. lolXReyoX wrote:
I believe xtoxm is the vig and I believe BM's scumdar is broken.Pink Puppy wrote:Aren't we accepting xtoxm is the vig... and thus NOT scum?Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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dont be silly. Of course he's the vig. And i'm the vigmeat. :pShow2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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:GREAT posting:Pink Puppy wrote:Well, I'm still here!
The thing that sticks in my head about Norinel is how he said
I did think the last two votes in half an hour was pretty suspicious. But aside from that and the fact that Norinel was hammering, I just don't like how he says "Let's remember that anyone who lynched OMG is probably town because he's acting like this." The fact that he wants to get that in before his vote, it's like he already knows OMG is town... and don't hold him (or other scum) responsible.Norinel wrote:I suppose he is right that his lynch will give us a place to start tomorrow, but let's not forget that even if he does come up townie, each of the rest of us has just as much of a functioning confirmed pro-town brain as he does.
unvote: GW, vote: OMG makes a hammer.
And nowhere have I seen Norinel scumhunting hardcore today because "the OMG lynch gave so much info." How much info can it really give if it was townish to vote him?
Anybody else agree?
I also think FOO is maybe scum, but too tired to look back at his posts to say why exactly.
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actually i have to concede, your post does not make for a good case validation.XReyoX wrote:
Annoying attitude =/= scumFriend of Old wrote:I just wanted OMG out really, his attitude was annoying and he had to use several posts instead of poting just one long one.
Using several posts instead of one long one =/=scum
Thus your vote is based on OMGUS.
And has anyone else noticed that all Friend of Olds suspects are pretty much based on lurking?
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You only just noticed that? lolXReyoX wrote:FoO's LoS is rubbish. Basicly, he could have summarized it into:
Town-People who are active.
Scum-People who post little.
I dont think FoO is scum ftr. Just his scumdar is worse than mine atm. lol
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FoO clearly isnt going all out to attack Dahen. Im not even sure if hes aware of the recent discussion. You are misrepresenting me here.Pink Puppy wrote:Even though his top suspect is dahen, and you already made this big deal about confirming dahen and everybody who thinks dahen is scum must be scum?
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I'm majorly busy atm, and unable to do anything useful here for now. Dont do anything crazy in my absence please, and ill give this game the attention it deserves, soon.
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Can you prove that your affiliation in the test games was mixed?Oman wrote:Actually, I haven't been ignoring prods. In a few games (so that it wasn't alignment based) I've been trying to try out lurking as people seem to think LAL is wrong. So I'm trying to get perspective. Unfortunatly, my findings aren't really ready, but I just don't feel right doing it any more.
Sorry.
XReyoX, why would you lynch me?
currently my meta says you are scum, despite everything else about you telling me otherwise.
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*sigh*Oman wrote:I'm trying to WIFOM as much as possible XReyoX.
BTW: I am actually the doc, and I won't be protecting the vig tonight.
Ok Oman is town. Either that, or he's just pulled off the most elaborate gambit ever.
I just really wish you hadnt fully claimed. I dont think anyone else picked up on your breadcrumb early on.
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well in fairness to him, he breadcrumbed to the extent that any other claim would have got him lynched instantly (for my part at least).XReyoX wrote:Thats why I don't see the reason. He has anounced that he would claim whatever. This is just so random and out of the blue that any scum/cult or whoever would know its pointless and its an unreliable claim. What I don't see is reason why he bothered to post that and not something more useful maybe?
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Well apparently the mafia didnt notice his breadcrumb, otherwise he'd he dead. (assuming he isnt mafia himself).Norinel wrote:
Half the point of a breadcrumb is that if you don't point it out everyone else misses it, right?Battle Mage wrote:
well in fairness to him, he breadcrumbed to the extent that any other claim would have got him lynched instantly (for my part at least).XReyoX wrote:Thats why I don't see the reason. He has anounced that he would claim whatever. This is just so random and out of the blue that any scum/cult or whoever would know its pointless and its an unreliable claim. What I don't see is reason why he bothered to post that and not something more useful maybe?
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currently Xreyox is clearly the scummiest player here. I'll give my case tomorrow afternoon-it be bedtime now.Xtoxm wrote:I missed his claim.
BM, who do you want to lynch then?
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he has clearly breadcrumbed doc. Whether it is true or not is questionable, but you cant refute the FACTS. You just want to see a power-role lynch today.XReyoX wrote:Reply to Norinel:
I don't think he was breadcrumbing he is a doc. He has made it clear that he would claim something random. There is no telling what he is claiming is true or fake. I just don't see why he is doing it now. Both uneccassery and confusing. I don't know.
confessed concerned about the presence of a Vig-meaning that he is worried about being targetted, and is trying to butt-kiss.Xreyox wrote:xtoxm. I hate you for being the vig. I wish I can just do this bizzare "I want him lynched now" thing and not worry about anything. I guess if I do that, the scums or cult or whoever whatever are just going to get me lynched.
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Appeal to Authority.XReyoX wrote:xtomx, i think we're dead. I think the cult and the scums have united.Show2020 Stats - 31 completed games:
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thats funny. Monday is the last day before the deadline. Dont suppose you'll be popping up just to drop a hammer, will you?XReyoX wrote:Will be away for the weekend. I might not be able to post until monday.
This guy is so transparent, and we still have enough time to lynch him. I dont want us to end the day with a NL.
Vote: Xreyox
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Bro, we've had this discussion before. Do you trust me, or not?
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