Mini Normal 2015 - Lab Rat Mafia - Finished

[Hiraki]

ego

[Hiraki]

Post-edit: This is one of those sloppy, stupid Hiraki posts where I post all of my thoughts on the game since inception. It won't be that useful until the end.

Hate the early Kublai wagon.

Why do you want to force only two wagons?

Great first post btw.

I hate a majority of Penguin's posts at this point.

What's the point of this post?

Good posting.

Hopkirk, do you have anything better to say?

Even better.

I have a general critique on all players here that the first 4 pages have been overall "high and mighty" posting when the bar has been set really low for anything actually good.

So when's this "oh this must be his scum game" slim shady shade gonna stop?

CREATURE WE GONNA VIBE THIS GAME, I CAN FEEL IT

LIKE THIS QUINTUPLE POSTING SHIT - YEAH, I'M FEELIN IT

@Creature - Why does your multi-posting look forced?

Felt like actual annoyance IMO, why are you reading the way he posted and not the content he posted? Seems like a really bad way to read someone.

Khan - Seems to put himself on a high horse, saying that he's not interested in being friendly and just wants to win, and then tries to accuse Hopkirk of being condescending, when he's actually the one in the wrong. Is throwing sarcy comments everyone and whilst he is actually participating in the discussion, I'm not getting good vibes off of him.

While this is correct, my recollection of playing with Khan is that the prestigious attitude doesn't go away. I'm not critiquing here - I'm pretty sure I do the same, it's just that you shouldn't read into that as a tell.

Or you're asking questions to people who likely aren't going to give you an answer. Namely, Joral, the 3rd most inactive player in the game right now who has said himself that they are 'not of a mind to provide meaningful commentary yet'

Garbage

I think 138-140 from Ircher is good but I don't want to say he's a TR yet. Something bugs me about parts of that post that I don't care to find out the reason to right now.

Byron... Feels weird. Nothing I can point to directly, gut feel is saying off, especially on the wagon comment. Did not feel it was picking up any steam at the time.

This phrasing is terrible. If Byron flips scum, I'm going straight for joral.

Also I know I've been hopping around a lot but my vote on Khan is probably misplaced and so I want it off of him. Creature's been doing some really weird play, and whilst I'd like to move my vote on him I don't have enough confidence in my read on him yet, so for now I'm just going to:

Yeah, I'm voting here.

Penguin can be town for now, I didn't like how Espeonage jumped on Penguins posts when Penguin was only doing something I definitely see at least moderately often in RVS.
Scum!Espeonage spews scum!Seal from Seals opening post.

Why are their opening posts scummy?

You were doing good postings, come back?

Not vibing with Espeonage.

165 Espeonage wagon is BAD though. Can't vibe with anyone there but Creature.

joral, what do you think about PP doing absolutely nothing?

I don't think so. Pp was trying to get wagons going at the very start, and that's a great way to move the game.

VOTE: creature

GARBAGE

I don't TR Espeonage but I HATE this wagon. 0% chance of me going here today.

Also it's at this stage that I reminded myself that I replaced Tommy. I don't vibe with him so I don't mind if y'all don't vibe with me at first but I'm gonna actually play my role good this time.

Why weren't you more active on Monday? You were already the lead wagon then.

I'll be honest, I'm vibing with this.

Wow everyone look at this guy's fast reading skills

No one likes a show off PP

Are you town this game N_M?

I don't feel like doing ByronVilla.

Even though I'd be surprised if we don't do a regretful mislynch.

WRONGGGGGGGG

joral, goodbye.

VOTE: joral

CLOSE BUT WRONGGGGGGGG

Cool, UnrealSeal is also scum.

Wrong three times in a row? Yikes, Creature, what's going on?

Byron, your first statement in #264 feels really, really forced.

Yeah, OK - me and Golden are going to finish this game, easy peasy. Don't get how any of you are OK with unvoting Byron all the damn time.

After 3 pages, I hard townread PenguinPower. And lean scum on Kublai.

Oh man, bad opinions here we go.

KKs 206 is the first thing that pings town for me. Sounds like legit frustration.

Frustration = town. Nice. That's wrong.

But the rest of joral's ISO, I found he mentioned why he voted esp...which looked like a reasonable town process.

Yeah, I checked this right after. Feel free to highlight that out. This is utter nonsense.

Bad Byron wagon

Bad Byron wagon

Man, this is NOT ok. Why are you being wrong here?

HAHAHAHAHA! I KNEW IT. PROJECTMATT IS DEAD TODAY. NO QUESTIONS.

I've played that trick multiple times, I'm not going to fall for it as scum, it's a gambit, I'm VT

Feels like bad phrasing man.

Last scum is mos DEF PM.

425 just confirms my suspicions that Performer is town but just sloppy...and not really giving good opinions.

scum: not-mafia, creature, tommy

LOL

Reading back, scum probably actually bussed the shit out of byron.

Yeah...Joral...do I need to go into this?

Don't get how Joral is up for you. Can you go into that?

N_M then joral, GG.

[Hiraki]

I'm not willing to go that far yet. If PM somehow DOESN'T flip scum here, then we can discuss.

[Hiraki]

I've got my eyes on both Joral & Not_Mafia right now

I can't buy byron posting this sentence about both his scumbuddies.

I can LOL

The guy was called out by everyone.

[Hiraki]

I'm not willing to go that far yet. If PM somehow DOESN'T flip scum here, then we can discuss.

So you've already seen the guilty on Not_Mafia when you replaced in the game?

Since multiple people brought it up, I was talking about outside of N_M. Didn't really think I needed to go into that lol.

[Hiraki]

N_M then joral, GG.

I even say it here. Not sure why two people picked up on me wanting PM dead but not the ending where I say N_M first.

[Hiraki]

Anyone wanna claim the Performer kill?

Vote: Projectmatt

[Hiraki]

The fact that we're all saying Joral should also sound off at least something.

[Hiraki]

Why didn't you vote?

[Hiraki]

LOL

JORAL IS INCRIMINATED BY A CLOWN SCUMFLIP AND YOUR BEST MOVE IS TO CALL ME SCUM BECAUSE THAT CREDIBILITY THAT I EARNED 5 DAYS AGO AFTER A CONFIRMED SCUM FLIP IS GONE??

HAHAHA LET'S FINISH THIS

[Hiraki]

Does that read like he's for sure coming out as scum?

????????????????????????????

[Hiraki]

DAMN GUYS...I MUST BE SCREWING UP PRETTY HARD TO HAVE LOST MY TOWN CREDIBILITY IN...2 DAYS??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Hiraki]

I just have to point out how fake all of that post is though

PJ TRs my opening post but then says that my reads are shallow... where did those shallow reads come from? Hmmm...

[Hiraki]

the idea of you "coasting off" towncred comes from the fact that your catch-up post came right as notmafia was getting lynched, and ever since that post i feel like your reads/general gameplay have gotten lazier.

OK. So let's start using the actual timeframe here because the fact that you're making it sound like this has been going for days on days on end is not only scummy but also completely wrong.

I joined the game Saturday around 8 AM (I think I honestly replaced in the night before before I went out but I'm guessing at this point - it doesn't really matter), I then posted at 8 PM without reading the game. This is almost eerily apparent due to people's reactions to my post thinking that I was going to vote you rather than N_M. N_M was then lynched that night or the following day.

The game then resumes, the next day on Tuesday. It is now Thursday at 9:30. What span of time does a person lose all town credibility between 3 posts that only one person points out could be even remotely scummy? Oh goodie, you go into how they're somehow scummy too.

which immediately gives you a reason to coast and not actually have to develop your own reads until a later point in the game (ie: when i get lynched)

Actually, I called Joral scum pretty early on in the game. Maybe that's why I want you dead? Is this really that hard to follow? I'm not throwing shit out of thin air here.

this is a reiteration of your previous read with an appeal to faulty logic (if "everyone" scumreads something, it's not true)

Actually, that could not be further from the truth. My point is that you've done nothing to elevate Joral's slot from its already tarnished state. That's why we're saying Joral and not PM. No one even remembers (except you and Hopkirk, which really says a lot about who's coming after me) who I replaced and I don't think he played a good game either way.

[Hiraki]

I usually use these sort of arguments to see if I'm getting wet feet here but the fact that PM had no desire to read what I was saying (which makes sense given that scum is practically done here) and put words in my mouth makes me want to ride this one to the end and wrap this game up.

[Hiraki]

Triple posting!

The game then resumes, the next day on Tuesday. It is now Thursday at 9:30. What span of time does a person lose all town credibility between 3 posts that only one person points out could be even remotely scummy? Oh goodie, you go into how they're somehow scummy too.

Sorry - triple posting here. You've yet to say what was bad about my reads, just that by calling you out I was bad. There's a word for that...what's it called?

[Hiraki]

the reason my read on you changed is because it feels like you're coasting off of your catch-up post based on the posts that i outlined. it's not that you haven't posted much, it's that you went out of your way to say that you weren't planning on looking into other reads until after my flip. that's why it made me uncomfortable, and why it came off as scum-motivated. the time of span is irrelevant, because you already want the day to be over.

this is stupid and a huge stretch

yes. my entire point is that your read on me/joral feels like an attempt to avoid actually scumhunting.

BY SCUMHUNTING PREVIOUSLY AND NOT RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU EXPLICITLY DIDN'T SAY YOU WERE DOING IT, YOU ARE CLEARLY JUST FOCUSING ON ONE PERSON AND PLAYING THE GAME EXACTLY LIKE YOU THINK I HAVE BEEN

I DEFINITELY HAVE NEVER BEEN PROVEN WRONG BEFORE AND I DEFINITELY AM NOT ABOUT TO GO INTO ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES

why do you think that i haven't elevated joral's slot? who do you think mafia could be if i end up flipping town?

both bad questions

Creature isn't scum.

[Hiraki]

VOTE: hiraki

You know what sure, let's fucking go

[Hiraki]

NM then Hiraki or Performer in that order of preference.

Great - so you must've had a problem with my predecessor, no?

Tommy/Byron/joral/NM/seal is who I'm looking through at the moment.

Tommy probably best pick for third. Would like to hear from him.

Creature could be scum. Tommy is probably scum.

OK great, I skipped one quote because it was redundant (just another readslist) but otherwise, you've just called Tommy scum for the entirety of the game without saying anything.

In post 259, Hopkirk wrote:
@Tommy and Seal, thoughts on each other?



Is this a serious question? I've already made my thoughts clear enough.

Tommy's response to your one question on him. I'm going to agree that it is pretty shitty - there's no debating this answer being just dodgy overall but just calling him scum after that rather than further questioning him? It's just bad play man. I don't think you're scum here, just bad overall IMO.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to find out you're the vig here. If we lynch PM, I don't need to care about you being stupid and shooting me tonight.

Here's reasons I know Hopkirk is full of bullshit:

Someone should check this out.

Who's

I haven't been reading. There's quote chains so I skipped the pages except on a skim.

This is not an excuse when we're talking about 4 pages.

Seal's tone is 164/8 sounds new towny.

You have the ability to lecture him about 4 pages but also have the ability to ask someone else to do detective work for you (i.e. having the ability to fabricate it to give you an incorrect read in the longrun without you even caring?) It's stuff like this that comprises Hopkirk's play. Swingy and shitty.

Not buying NM's switch claim.

The fact that you even took it a little SERIOUSLY has a lot to say.

Why didn't you vote?

Why would I?

Because everyone knows where you're going to go?

I have to try and distinguish if you're scum here. You took 3 days after asking "hey, why is Hiraki town?" to vote me without even a single inch of debate. I don't think you're scum here, I just think you're god awful trash here to think that your masterminded plan is even a little good here. You don't discuss anything and you think you know everything. It's fucking stupid.

[Hiraki]

Notice, nobody gave any reasons to townread you, then I voted you.

No one cases why people are town when no one thinks they're scum

PM wasn't even on your list so you can stop acting like you know what's going on here now

[Hiraki]

PM is still scum here

[Hiraki]

I could be swayed into JJD after some reading, can't understand his votehopping, unlike Hopkirk's

Would rather get rid of PM first enough

[Hiraki]

AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WHO CALLED IT BABY

COULD'VE BEEN A PERFECT IF Y'ALL JUST LISTENED TO ME