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You caught me to it.Greasy Spot wrote:
Man this reeks of scum protecting his partner.MafiaSSK wrote:
Don't vote him. He could just be newbie town. My playstyle was exactly like that in my last game.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Unvote, vote icemanEfor saying "we're not in the random voting stage anymore but I can't be bothered to scumhunt. [/b]
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So you accept what he said, and say he is his scumpartners.TSPN wrote:Alright, I guess I'll accept that for now.
Unvote, vote mafiaSSK.
So, are you iceman's scumpartner or are you just buddying up?
Nice...
So, everytime a townie is lynched, everyone who votes for him is scummy? Also, you are saying that bandwagoning someone is not scummy?ZeekLTK wrote:Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
How are you sure he isn't mafia? Rushing the kill will only give town less time to argue.ZeekLTK wrote:How does it not make sense? You said it's scummy of me to want him lynched. But how is it scummy if he turns out to be a mafia member?
You know what I love? Your over reaction to votes.ZeekLTK wrote:Also I love the votes against me:
One because I wasn't online the day the roles were sent out and thus was the last to confirm
One OMGUS
One "chainsaw defense" of the guy who cast the OMGUS
lol
:Goodposting:TDC wrote:I disagree. It might not happen too often, but scum can and probably will lynch each other if they think it makes the lynching scum look very town.
You should not conclude that someone is town, just because he is "responsible" for a scum lynch (especially if he used poor reasoning).
It's obviously somewhat less scummy than being responsible for a town lynch, but still "pushing" for a lynch implies that you want that person dead, and that means you're either scum or have very good reasons to think (or even know) the lynchee is scum - or even both.
Nothing scummy does not result in 4 votes :teach:TDC wrote:lol TDC. Care to explain how me wanting to lynch Cake is scummy? I can see how you might disagree with it. But to add vote #4 to a player who has done nothing scummy looks very badly for you
Don't answer other people's questions. Don't.ZeekLTK wrote:And you also failed to answer his question with your OMGUS FoS.
No, it's voting for people who start wagons without a reason, and have bad reactions when people call them out. It's actually a pretty good tacticTSPN wrote:So, iceman: your plan is to vote and suspect people who start wagons. All that's going to do is encourage timid play from townies who don't want to get voted for voting someone else.
It is unreliable when it is a set in stone move. But when someone simply jumps on a bandwagon with little to no reasoning, it is usually a scum tell.TSPN wrote:Sorry if I'm being a tad standoffish, but some players are pretty much using the 3rd-vote scumtell, which is unreliable at best, anti-town at worst.
Fos ZeekLTK, TSPNuntil we get a votecount and a quota for a lynch(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Whatever he said, you would have said that.ZeekLTK wrote:Exactly the kind of response a scum would have.
Again, I didn't vote you because I don't want to put you at -1 yet. Thus I asked for a vote count. Also, can you stop calling yourself pro-town? 5 people disagree (I'm counting myself here). Though your blatant OMGus is wonderfully notedZeekLTK wrote:Also, FaerieLord is also probably scum. He's just "FoSing" to support/push the bandwagon against a pro-town player, but he doesn't want to commit a vote so that he won't be held accountable for it later.
Please tell me your definition of bandwagonning.ZeekLTK wrote:Yes! Yes! A thousand times yes! Maybe its just a playstyle difference, but how does your optimal pro-town day 1 go?(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Also, really. It's the first 100 posts. How many people have actually contributed that much? I just lurked through the random voting stage and then started posting.
Saying I have contributed anything is like saying that there is no one at a 5am cinema theatre.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Rushing a lynch = scummy. SimpleZeekLTK wrote:Okay but how is that scummy? You look more scummy for being so inactive and then just coming out of nowhere to put a vote on the biggest bandwagon.
That is also what I hated the most. The attitude is what really reeked to me.Marmalade wrote:What I do think is scummy though is that Zeek seems to attack all those who attack him.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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My case on you isn't based solely one your comment. That's actually one of your weaker points, my case is about your over defensiveness.
Besides, look at these
ZeekLTK wrote:Nice scummy OMGUS vote from Cake.ZeekLTK wrote:Second, trying to lynch Cake would only be scummy if he were town. We don't know that he's town. If he is scum, then how am I scummy for pushing for the lynch of scum?
I see those as trying to lynch Cake. Stop trying to back out of it saying "I'm not trying to rush it."ZeekLTK wrote: You said it's scummy of me to want him lynched. But how is it scummy if he turns out to be a mafia member?
Your case against him was "Hey, if we kill him and he turns up scum, I'm not scummy right?" which is an awful argument, because scum OFTEN bandwagon their teammates to 1)Distance 2) Gain pro-town points.
So yeah.
Now, read this
That is called over reaction. You said it yourself. 3 votes are nothing, so why are you fussing like hell when there are three people voting you?ZeekLTK wrote:Also I love the votes against me:
One because I wasn't online the day the roles were sent out and thus was the last to confirm
One OMGUS
One "chainsaw defense" of the guy who cast the OMGUS
Now this is a good example of OMGUS here, which you indicated above is scummy, while doing your over reaction.ZeekLTK wrote:Also, FaerieLord is also probably scum. He's just "FoSing" to support/push the bandwagon against a pro-town player, but he doesn't want to commit a vote so that he won't be held accountable for it later.
Look at the first three posts I quoted from you. Those are three comments, not one.ZeekLTK wrote:Notice my comment was during the random stage AND I never made a case against him (or really pushed it that hard). It's one comment taken way too far by a couple of people. Who stands to benefit by taking it so far? Scum.
And yes, you never made a case. Which is why you pressuring Cake makes all that much scummy.
Also, do you sincerely want me to put you in lynch range? My vote will put you at -1. -1 = you die before you can claim and put up a good defense. If you really want me to jive that way, I will.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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@TDC. My bad, I thought he was at -2
Vote ZeekLTK
Now he is.
Also, I want him to claim because 1)It would rejuvinate the thread, though that can be forgotten now since posts have started again 2)Most of the people here think he is scum, or at least very scummy 3)It's the only way we can get something new out of him
Also, not to speculate on the setup, but I doubt there are two mafia groups. At worst its a mafia group and an sk, but 2 mafia groups sounds like too much
But while we're at it.
MafiaSSK, who do you think is scummy and why? You're not posting any content, just lurking in plain sight. How about starting now? IGMEOY(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Please read my posts. Thank you.TSPN wrote:Pushing the zeek lynch based on the "rushing" argument. Seriously, did anyone, including zeek, really think that saying "let's lynch cake" would speed anything up? I hope not.
A small primer on my argument
1)Rushing thing
2)Bad logic when it comes to lynching
3)Over Defensiveness
4)OMGUS
It's all on this page. Post #126.
Read.
Tell me what to do next then. And when is the best time, in your opinion to claim.TSPN wrote:1. Blatant, blatant, rolefishing. Claim at L-2? Really?
Johoohno could be one, who relegated his vote to a fos. And tell me, how many of the active people (read: active) don't find Zeek scummy? Just TSPN. Even Marmalade has expressed suspicion.TDC wrote:Do they? He has 5 votes but quite frankly, I have no idea who the other two people could be to form a lynch, who do you have in mind?
My post is just above yours. Read it.TSPN wrote:3. If you think zeek and me are scumbuddies, just come out and say so. Is that the game you think we're playing? Otherwise, think it through. My meta is still valid if we're on different teams, or both town.
Also, I guess Zeek isn't the only OMGUSer here.
Again, please tell me what the next move should be.TDC wrote:I still don't see the purpose and join TSPN in calling it fishing.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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I disagree. -1 is a little too late for claiming, since someone could hammer before role discussion could be made. And sometimes, scum will want to go 1 for 1 (I'd think about doing it if he claimed vig)TDC wrote:I see your point, but neither expressed any will to lynch him, did they? In fact Marmalade has his vote sitting on Greasy Spot.
You usually call for a role claim if someone is on L-1 and someone else has expressed his will to hammer, don't you?
So yes, maybe we can wait for the rest to come, but -2 is, IMO, the best time to claim.
The first one is actually one of the weakest points in my argument. It's not something I'd vote someone for doing.FaerieLord wrote:Faerielord, I find your first point to be inaccurate or a null-tell, your third to be one of the most scummy scumtells (by which I mean I find people scummy when they use it, because its weak weak weak), and your fourth, unfortunately, to be a zeektell.
Now, your second one, I'm not entirely clear on. What, exactly, is the bad logic?
My second one is his posts saying "If we lynch cake, and he turns up scum, then I am not scummy right?" which is awful
The third one...Let's just agree to disagree. It is a scum tell in my opinion.
The fourth one. Metaing is not reliable in my opinion. Just because he plays scummily as town, it doesn't mean he doesn't play scummily as scum. And that is a scummy action
Who said OMGus had to have votes involved. It's just attacking someone for attacking you. Voting is just a formality. One I only use if I'm more than 85% sure of my vote.TSPN wrote:And, um, you aren't voting for me, so its not OMGUS? Even if that was actually a good defense, its not true.
As said above, I disagreeTSPN wrote:Finally, L-1 with someone willing to hammer is a reasonable time to call for a claim. L-2 is fishing.
I still support his claim, but I'm at least happy that there are people that disagree.
If not a claim yet, I'd be happy with a concordet list from ZeekLTK (Him listing people from scummiest to towniest with reasoning if possible).(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Where the fuck did I say that? You fail to notice that I want the claim before -1. At -2. How can I quick lynch you when you are at -2? Please explain this to me. Also, how can I vote you again? My vote is already on you.ZeekLTK wrote:So basically you're admitting that you are scum and if I'm a vig you'd quicklynch me (to go "1 for 1")?
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Couple of people...where? There is nobody (or even you count the one word lowell said than there is 1). That does not constitute "couple". And way to take things out of context. I was discussing why a -1 lynch is not a good idea, and said what I would hypothetically do as scum.ZeekLTK wrote:What is that all about? A couple people have asked that (including me in the last post) and you still haven't answered it.
Nothing brought up the vig. I just said that if I was scum and someone claimed vig, I'd quick lynch him. Because vigs go 2 for 1 at times, which is too much for a 3 team mafia to handle.
I never said you were a vig. I was creating a hypothethical situation. When discussing things that did not happen yet, those are called hypothethical. You can only think what would happen. TSPN said that if he was scum, he wouldn't hammer at any costs. Does that make him scum for saying that he wouldn't hammer?
You are desperately trying to create a case on me that doesn't exist. When doing so, please create a good one. Thank you(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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So you ignore marmalade's question so that you say that Lowell might leave this game?ZeekLTK wrote:
Eager, for now. Lowell was also in the game with TSPN and I and was replaced because he was too inactive...Johoohno wrote:I am also pleased that Natirasha (reluctant poster) is now replaced by Lowell (eager poster)
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Post more. Lurking is not helpful to the townMafiaSSK wrote:Sorry for not telling you guys, but my play style really is lurking and observing at the same time. I'm still learning.
How recent ago was this mislynch? Did you really think he was scum?TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:I do. In fact, I just mislynched him. I'm slightly concerned that my guilt over having mislynched him last game will make me too likely to think he's town in this one. . . but, well, I'll just try to watch out for that.
Also, why did you choose that question to ask? There were a lot more things you could have picked out, what made you pick out that one?-
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Scum Buddy? What scum buddy? I sincerely don't get what you are trying to saymafiassk wrote:If TSPN was focused on the game, then he could have mislynched Zeek on purpose, so that he could rely upon it and use it to protect his scumbuddy.
I'll take a look at ittspn wrote:Anyway, the Zeek incident was about 2-3 weeks ago. . . and I'm not going to talk more about an ongoing game, but feel free to read it yourself. Mini 533
It is scummy because when you are attacking your attackers you are overreacting to a simple attack. Over reacting means that you have something to hide.zeekltk wrote:Yes, the post accused me of attacking people who attack me. So? Yes I do that. Congrats. Now please tell me how that is scummy though.
Look at it this way. If you were a criminal and saw cops coming your way, would you be scared that they are after you?
What known townies? I don't see any confirmed towniesZeekltk wrote:It's easier (for me, at least,) to find scum by seeing how people are attacking known townies rather than to try to find scum between people who are attacking each other of whom I don't know either role.
This is what I don't like about you. How do we know that you are town? The only person that would know this is you, and your word isn't enough. So who ever we attack, we are attacking them because we think they are scum. Everybody is "townie". Nobody will go out and say "Hey, I'm scum. Pleased to meet you." Also, stop saying you have done nothing scummy. A lot of people disagree.zeekltk wrote:At this point in the game (Day 1!) the only townie I know of is me, so anyone that attacks me seems more scummy than anything else, because I know they most likely have ulterior motives other than "trying to win for the town". Especially when I haven't really done anything to warrant being attacked.
Are you ignoring my posts on purpose? I said it before. Scum bus other scum. It's a playstyle so you "distance" yourself from your scum partner so that if he turns up scum, people will think "hey, he can't be scum."zeekltk wrote:-I responded to these "suspicions" by pointing out that no one knows Cake's role, so he could be scum, and if he was that wouldn't really make me suspicious now, would it?
Also, by your logic, no one knows your role. So why are we scummy for attacking you?
He wasn't under pressure anymore. You were at that point. By your reasoning, if I FoS everyone in the game, no one can vote me because they'd be scummy.zeekltk wrote:so why is it "scummy" if I attack people who attack me
That part I don't like. Try to attack you? My case > your answers.zeekltk wrote:but continued to try to attack me
Why not figure the scum yourself. You seem good enough, don't you agree?zeekltk wrote:However, given recent posts by MafiaSSK I would consider voting for him if no one else wants to try to figure out which scum have voted for me.
Damnit, why should we give you the benefit of the doubt and not them? Answer me this. This is mafia, not pre-grade "who stole my crayon?!". We cannot give you the benefit of the doubt. You're as likely scum as the rest of us. And your posts have made you even more likely scumzeekltk wrote:Okay but just for a second give me the benefit of the doubt and look at each of those players in this game (and their reason for voting for me).
I agree, some of the votes are underwhelming, but you have still been playing worse than barning one single vote.zeekltk wrote:For this brief period just assume that I'm a townie; do you feel that all 5 of them had a valid reason for voting me or do you think one or two of them made a huge stretch just to put their vote on a bandwagon against a townie?
That was long.
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That is untrue. See post number 2. (My 3rd post) I mentioned over defensiveness, bad logic and the rushing.ZeekLTK wrote: (uhm.... that's all you've been saying it's based on all day!)
Stop saying things that are false.
Again, read my third post in the game. It fucking mentioned over defensivenessZeekLTK wrote:(this is the first time that's been brought up, maybe Marmalade's post gave him the idea and now he's trying to run with this because his other point was weak?)
You're misquoting me again! I don't put -1 or hammer votes because it stifles the discussion of the town. Like you did in 533. Hammering before the ENTIRE town consents is not a good play. Period.ZeekLTK wrote:apparently Faerie is afraid to cast L-1 or hammer votes because then he'll be suspicious for killing a townie
And again, Zeek dismisses my case by leaving it as garbage, thus not having to answer it.ZeekLTK wrote:1)Rushing thing
2)Bad logic when it comes to lynching
3)Over Defensiveness
4)OMGUS
Again, most of that is garbage (especially #1 and #2)
Again, ZeekLTK is misquoting. We (Me and TSPN and TDC) were discussing potential situations. And he is trying to make it out as a slipZeekLTK wrote:#147 Faerie makes the "slip up" (IMO) about the vig (saying "Scum would go 1 for 1 sometimes (I would if you were the vig)." Apparently no one else [or at least not Marmalade] finds that wording to be odd. I still do. Also still wants me to claim apparently.
Incorrect. He outlined nothing. He just said he disagreesZeekLTK wrote:#146 TSPN outlines why FaerieLord's points in #142 are garbage
And I'll say it again. Where the fuck did I say that?ZeekLTK wrote:#162 FaerieLord, instead of addressing or explaining it says "where the fuck did I say that?" (even though I QUOTED HIM in #161)
Again! IT WAS POTENTIAL SITUATIONS! Am on your ignore list or something or are you sincerely this obtuse?ZeekLTK wrote:#170 FaerieLord says "Nothing brought up the vig. I just said that if I was scum and someone claimed vig, I'd quick lynch him. Because vigs go 2 for 1 at times, which is too much for a 3 team mafia to handle." - I find it very odd that he would bring this up, or even paint a situation where he would be scum. This reeks of some kind of outside knowledge or something because, as town, I can't figure out why he would be talking about a vig or anything to that effect at this moment.
Also, I never said you were bussing cake. I said that you saying that you voting cake makes you town if cake is scum is bad logic. Because scum do bus other scum. Which makes your reasoning a complete failure.
Also, I read parts of 533, and you were not this obtuse. The only time you were obtuse is where you were going "But I'm a miller so there must be a jester!" and you kept going like that even though people told you you were incorrect.
That said, you're the most frustrating player I have ever played with. And I have played my fair share of games.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Strange. Why are you voting him then?Joh wrote:@ ThesweatpantsNinja: Isn’t really pursuing any scum, just voting MafiaSSK for lurking.
Yeah, let's lynch him before he claims! Read, I was pushing for the claim because I thought he was at -2. And I think -2 is the right time to claim, mostly if people express suspicion on your wagon.Joh wrote:@ FaerieLord: I agree with your case on Zeek (especially with the over defensive part), but I don’t agree with your repeated call for his role claim. A day one claim is not good at all, in my opinion. Smells role fishing to me.
Your post was a whole lot of nothing
@TSPN. Having been reading 533, I agree. It is slightly meta. But you have to admit, Zeek contributed more there than he has here. He has some good logic running about Day 1. He found loops and attacked diligently, while here, his cases have been awful.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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@Johoohno.
About MafiaSSK: Precisely, what did you add apart from "You're lurking. Contribute." Please tell me, because that is all I see from your suspicions (Apart from the speculation about buddy partners)
About lurkers: Your logic fails. Why? Because scum lurk more often. Scum lurk to avoid discussion. There is no reason why a townie would lurk. So it is more probable that a scum would lurk
About claims: Incorrect. Claim can determine if someone is scum or not (For example, most of the time, people claiming doctors are in fact townies. It's the other way round for roleblockers.) So yes, while a claim may help scum, it is still certainly beneficial towards town. Besides, the information scum gain in day one is little. It's not as if we are doing a massclaim.
About aggression: No, its just me being frustrated. I excuse myself(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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@Marmalade. Look at it this way. I was voting zeek for the stuff I said before, but he does the stuff I said before as town, so thus it is now a null tell.
I'm not saying he's town, but I'm saying that my case is slightly invalid since he does those things as town.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Don't speculate on power roles. Period.iceman wrote:This makes me think he must be a power role of one sort or another.
I was sure he was scum. With no offence to zeek, but he's the person with the scummiest playstyle I've ever seen. But seeing other games, he's always like that :/ Which is where I retired my voteiceman wrote:Faerie pushed a little too hard for a Zeek lynch early in the game for my liking. He was pretty unrelenting. I supported him, for awhile, but he REALLY wanted that lynch.
Also, mafiassk pretty much sucks. Replacing because it ain't interesting. Yes that's an ad hom attack, he sucks He ruined the game for everyone else(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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That post struck me the wrong way.captaincake wrote:Wait... So because he's been a poor player so far he's scum, but substituting in a better player won't possibly be able to change your mind on him? Honestly that sounds like one of the worst reasons I've heard to suggest a lynch before a replacement is found.
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@Iceman. It won't change anything, but outing him will help scum not town.
It is scum hunting. Role fishing = something scummy.iceman wrote:As for voting someone for role-fishing... well, that's not really scum hunting either.
Outing someone because of it = something scummy hunting
Lots of something scummy hunting = Scum hunting
Maybe not direct, yet still scum hunting.
If he isn't scum, scum will know this.iceman wrote: I think his reluctance to claim means he must be either a power role or scum, which has NO EFFECT AT ALL on what his role actually is.
If scum follow your line of thinking, they might kill a power role.
So, your line of thinking helped scum not us. Catch the drift?
Had you not said anything, scum might have not noticed. But now they might rethink tonight's kill.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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TSPN already quoted that, and you had no answericemanE wrote:Ha, if you could find some posts to demonstrate that I'm "disappointed" that we weren't lynching Mafia I'd appreciate it, because that's not true. I do remember saying we should lynch someone by the end of the page, that was page 12. I said:
No, it doesn'ticemanE wrote:The way that actually reads is, we should lynch him if he keeps this up, BUT, it would be OK to replace him, too.
Zeek always fails at reading the game.ZeekLTK wrote:Plus the mod is struggling for a replacement, let's help him out and get rid of Nano anyways.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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I once heard that it's pretty much a scumtell when someone who is being investigated tries to desperately divert attention from himself. Have you ever heard of it?icemanE wrote:If anybody is "contributing" to the game without actually saying or doing anything important, it's Faerie at this point. His 329 is completely unnecessary, the first two things he says are unnecessary rehashes of an argument that he wasn't involved in that had already been resolved in 326, and then he calls out Zeek for not reading well, which is funny because he was too lazy to do any reading himself on the previous page:
All Faerie has done lately is back up TSPN in arguments Faerie isn't even a part of and call people out for things like "speculating on power roles" and "not reading the posts". While it's a contribution its not altogether helpful.Faerie wrote: What exactly is the iceman case again?
Also, the first point was not a rehash. I said that you never answered his post, which he never said.
And you know what the difference between me and zeek is? I'm not trying to make crappy cases left, right and centre. Zeek is not reading, and misleading town with bad cases. If I'm not reading, all I'm doing is being another number along the lurkers.
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God, I fucking hate when you do this.ZeekLTK wrote:No the case on him is him being "upset" that we might not lynch someone that had a bandwagon going against them (and which iceman had jumped on). And also because he's made several "odd"/suspicious comments throughout the day.
And this is like the ninth post in a row where you've misrepresented what has happened in the game.
What was the god damn case on mafiassk? Him not contributing at all, lurking in plain sight. People debated that this still wasn't enough, but iceman said it was enough so he tried to fucking lynch him. Thus the wagon. That's the whole fucking wagon
And please show me the nine god damn posts
Are you always this much of an idiot? You're as frustrating as hell!
You know what, I'm bored seeing zeek get out of shit just because he does it as town. He's still obviously detrimental to the town. He spouts bullshit, contradicts himself and makes god awful cases and is as stubborn as a mule. The only think keeping him alive is his meta!TDC wrote:I'm sure he's done that as town before as well...
God damn it, he's as frustrating as hell.
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You were almost fucking lynchedzeekltk wrote:You make it seem like I've played so scummy but no one is voting for me.
No, your wagon debunked because you are an awful player not because the case on you sucked.zeekltk wrote:We already debunked the whole early bandwagon against me (and how all those reasons were crap), so go on... I'd love to hear this case that is so obvious to you that it has you in such a fit (as indicated by your last post).(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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You know what doesn't seem very protown to me? Someone trying to lynch a lurker. You know what else? Someone making OMGUS cases. You know what else? Somebody who thinks everyone has to assume he is townZeekLTK wrote:I suppose... although I don't see how a pro-town player would come into the game on post #113 and ignore 90% of what has happened so far and just put a player on L-2 for very weak reasoning. That doesn't seem pro-town to me.
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You are such a bloody idiot. I'm not going to even bother posting for you.ZeekLTK wrote:
I love how you completely ignore Nano's actions to push your agenda (attacking me).FaerieLord wrote:
You know what doesn't seem very protown to me? Someone trying to lynch a lurker. You know what else? Someone making OMGUS cases. You know what else? Somebody who thinks everyone has to assume he is townZeekLTK wrote:I suppose... although I don't see how a pro-town player would come into the game on post #113 and ignore 90% of what has happened so far and just put a player on L-2 for very weak reasoning. That doesn't seem pro-town to me.
Those are the things that don't seem protown to me
You are scum, so I doubt this conversation will be very constructive (because you have no intention of seeing the game for the good of the town, or negatively when it comes to the actions of your scumbuddies), but I'll still ask you this: So you are saying that making basically your first post in the game on post #113 to put a player on L-2 for extremely weak reasoning, while failing to address (or even acknowledge) anything else that has happened in the game, is good play or pro-town?
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And intelligence fills this thread again. But beware TSQ, you're auto scum now since you think Zeek is scummy.
But up until now, I agree with every thing you said
This made me laugh, since you are about the only person that thinks I'm scummyZeek wrote:#2 Your numerous defenses of Faerie, another highly suspicious player, is noted.
But yeah, as I said, shea covered it all.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Iceman wrote:I think Zeek needs to be forced to claim, this is getting whacked.
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Yeah...I don't like that
Or maybe he voiced his opinions at the time, then stopped playing all together.Zeek wrote:He didn't come here with that post to find scum, he came here to push a bandwagon.
Besides, that's one thing against Nano (At best). Count all the things brought up against you by multiple players
Because if you're mafia, you'll stagger since you don't have a claim thought up yet. So yes, a claim can help.Zeek wrote:Since (unfortunately) I'm not a miller in this game, I honestly see no benefit that can come from any type of claim from myself, or anyone else at this point (unless they are a miller). So I wonder why you are pushing for it so hard...
Shut up with your bloody case on Nano. No one is paying attention to it for a reason. People think you're scummier, deal with it chapZeek wrote:Potentially two mislynches in a row - then get to Day 3 and all we have is 4 dead townies (assuming 1 kill per night) and no leads on who is mafia (other than my case on Nano).(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Would surely be swell to know whyJohoohno wrote:Also, I don't agree with him on FaerieLord
I agree, mostly about TSPNJohoohno wrote:seems to do so more to get the claim than by their own presented suspicions of him - talking mostly about Lowell, TSN and IcemanE here).
Lovely fence isn't it?Johoohno wrote:I am still somewhat suspicious of Zeek, but I am in no rush to lynch anyone yet, I want to have more to judge the silent players by before the first day ends. And as of now I have other candidates topping my scum lists(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Regarding the fishing thing: Thank you for failing at reading. Seriously.Johoohno wrote:• The one who started the “claim train” (post post 131 among others). I see it as role fishing. Which I see is strengthened by this statement: “it's a "He's a detriment to the town, it's a win win situation." vote” (post 371).
• And some time later he tries to please those who doesn’t like the claimingberating another player for role fishing (post 292). (Also see FaerieLords reply to IcemanE in post 308, which is a similar one)
Also, at the win win comment. That was meant as "Zeek isn't helping anyway. Lynching him won't cost us all that much, and it'll make it easier to debate tomorrow."
At this point yes. Just throw your vote on someone and hope for the best. Saying "I think Zeek is scummy, but I don't want to be part of the wagon yet..." is fence sittingJohoohno wrote:Do you see any downsides in getting more players opinions before ending day1?
In post Edit: Scratch that, he was at -1, as Greasy proved.
Also greasy, stupid move. I hope you have a good reason tomorrow.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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The numbers disagree if we go down to a 4 person situation, as the mafia will have an extra choice for a kill if we nolynch to narrow down to 3TSQ wrote:Expanding upon that, policy lynches do suck, but a, there's got to be a reason why people don't hammer prematurely (aside from that being a boneheaded stupid play.) If we don't lynch the occasional town who does it (and thats assuming he's town, which is a stretch) then the scum can do it all they want.
Second, we have a unique situation here where the mafia didn't get a kill in last night, which means that not only are we up ++ on information for tomorrow, we're up a kill. So if he IS town, then he's as good as the mafias kill last night. It's still not great if he's town, but not as bad as it woud be.
So half the game is scummy? Wow, you really are good!Greasy wrote:1) Johoono
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I surely wouldn't have. I'd have nuked TSQ because I know he's a good player. But all this is wifom. If I was mafia, would I leave shea alive so I could make this argument? And the wifom ensues. So I'd rather leave the "I wouldn't nuke me" comments to the sideTSPN wrote:I don't know if I buy it, I'm not sure I would have picked me out as the mafia kill.
As for greasy. I don't want to touch this wagon. Gut is telling me greasy is town. I just wish he'd contribute more. Especially today, considering that if we don't lynch him, mafia might kill him, given that he is a doc, and there are no counterclaims(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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iceman, no counterclaims. Think about it. This is a mini normal game. Docs are really common. I think Grease's play was as bad as the next person, but it's still pretty plausible that it was just a bad move(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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One very stupid move =/= all scummy.lowell wrote:I think he's trying to bait the real doc, which is more or less why I hate doc claims when someone gets to L-1 after being all scummy. It's like a free doc kill for scum for getting caught. Get a townie on your side (it's almost certain TSN is town either way) and force the real doc out of hiding.
Oh god, what a bunch of wifomTSPN wrote:I pursued you heavily day 1. At night, as mafia, you might have tried to kill me because of this. Assuming greasy spot is telling the truth, someone tried to kill me, and you would have had motivation to do so. I can't believe that's at all hard to grasp.
Well, you decide!iceman wrote:Well first of all... no, I'm not voting you. Should I?
He has been on you for two days...It'd be a bit late to pull crap out of his assiceman wrote:Secondly, yes, its quite hard to grasp, since its clearly something you pulled out of your ass to justify your vote for me.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Gladly. Lowell said that Greasy is acting all scummy. Greasy only (granted it's a big move) hammered. That's not all scummy. It's just "one very very scummy thing."Johoohno wrote:I don't understand what you are saying with this FaerieLord. Please clarify.(1:07:08 AM) Xdaamno: alcohol
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Weren't you outing me for protecting GS? Why the change of heart now?iceman wrote:Also, and this is funny, Lowell moved his vote TO GS only AFTER GS claimed doc. Scummiest move I think I've ever seen: he wasn't voting for GS until he learned that he was doc. That's so ridiculously scummy I can't help but change my FoS to:
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I suggest you all take a look at him as well.
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