Mini Normal 2016 | Otters vs. Penguins | Endgame

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I'm gonna go ahead and believe the mason claim as well seems as they are both town reads.

So, this game just got real easy? Can we lynch Nos today?

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Nos, Aristo and teacher must be the scum team.

If Garmr/Performer are scum then :shrug:

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Lol, wtf.

If Lefty was scum I'll be stunned.

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Nos.

He should have been the lynch yesterday.

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Look how.many counter-wagons sprung up against Nos on D2. He is 100% the lynch for today.

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Tracker claim from Nos is funny.

What is full role and who did you track each night?

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If Nos and Aristo are both scum this is a decent play from them.

Scum!Nos 'tracks' scum!Aristo to a kill. Lynch Aristo, he flips scum and Nos carriea the cred the following day for a scum win.

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VOTE: Nos

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Teacher or Ari for me.

Ari would be preference.

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Wasn't teacher a counter wagon to Nos at some point?

I'll be getting to this as soon as I can - Teacher is a good lynch but I think Aristo is even better.

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That sorts that out then.

Intent to hammer Teacher.

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We're happy with Performer/NM as Masons yeah?

Just worth giving that a final thought.

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VOTE: Teacher

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Nah, Lefty wasn't scum.

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So we lynch Aristo and win, right?

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VOTE: Aristo

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I mean, it's all WIFOM but I absolutely would have killed Performer.

And definitely not Garmr. For mutiple reasons which I feel are pretty obvious?

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I mean, I just leave Garmr alive and we both just vote you.

Right? He very clearly felt that you were the last scum.

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I think it's clear from Garmr's posts where he would have voted. But I don't particularly feel like convincing you that you're scum.

I'll wait for masons to post.

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Well that's not a good start.

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And Performer has been wary of me all game.

This could be an uphill task today.

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I really don't want to town case myself so if you could just look at my play this entire game and see how extremely unlikley it is that I could be scum with Teacher and Nos that would be great.

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Why would I not still be alive?

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I mean, Wave was confirmed town and GEO flipped Cop soooo....

I think that puts that one to bed?

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He had cleared wave...who was conf town when he died.

This display of feigned ignorance from Aristo is pretty funny.

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Are we lynching Aristo now?

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Performer, I'm town. I town read you based on how I thought you would act as scum towards me.

In what world do I make sense as scum with teacher and nos?

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You've been wary of me all game, why the hell would I kill Garmr (who scum read Aristo with me) over you?

Just think about it, I had numerous chances to avoid teacher/nos wagons and yet I continued to push them regardless.

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But why over other people I could have lynched instead with no questions asked?

Why bus my buddies when I have absolutely no reason to do and other options available to me.

Why do I leave you alive? If you're lynching me because I'm alive this late in game that's bullshit. Look at my play, I cannot be scum with teacher and Nos.

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Well, not cannot, but it should at least be very highly unlikely to you.

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I said it because of your comments about my play - I didn't think you would want to tangle with me as scum.

Garmr was a N1 kill - weird I agree because both myself and TChill were dominant forces D1. Maybe scum were scared of protectives so didnt hit the obv town players but went a tier lower?

Wave was confirmed town Performer - GEO copped him and outed the result right at the beginning of D2. In what world do scum kill me over confirmed town?

And again, wtf do I kill Garmr? Please, read his posts over the very short past two Days and you will see it makes 0 sense for me to kill Garmr as scum here.

Tell me what makes you think I was bussing. If you don't provide me with anything I can't defend myself. I pushed for Nos over TChill - why would I not lynch TChill (a huge threat to scum in this game) over Nos?

Come on man.

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NM, talk to me about why I'm scum.

I came into Today thinking this was an easy win and I'm absolutely baffled at what is going on.

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Reasons?

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OK, can you give me specifics?

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Masons, answer me two questions;

1. Why do I try to lynch Nos over TChill?

2. Why do I kill Garmr?

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You have been wary of me all game - Garmr was town reading me. The kill makes no sense, I just kill you, right?

Nos fake tracks on Ari, lynches scum and then rides to victory the following day?

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I know what you're saying. And I'm saying if the gambit works it ensures a scum victory is Nos 'tracks' a townie to a kill the following day. It's a gambit to give scum a better chance of victory.

So hold on, because I preferred Aristo over teacher that makes me scum? But preferring Nos over TChill also makes me scum? How does that work? You're assigning scum motivation to everything I have done which is clearly biased.

And no suspicion of Aristo wantin to no lynch instead of lynching teacher?

I don't know if I can do anything to save this game and it'a fucking frustrating.

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I could have easily lynched Aristo Today by simply not killing Garmr. Wave kill doesn't tell us anything (unfortunately for me) because he was conf town and scum were forced to kill him.

Performer, would you say I have been widely town read in this game? Because I think I have and I don't think scum would see me as a viable mislynch, do you? It would have taken a monumental effort from scum to lynch me (with practically all 3 of them coasting the entire game) and there were much easier lynches for them to push.

How are you expecting me to put together a case on Aristo when you said yourself he has barely done anything this entire game. That's not fair.

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Not to mention that anything I say is going to be tainted with the bias that I know Aristo is scum.

I am however happy to answer any questions you have.

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That basically says 'Because Teacher and Nos null read and town read each other they must be scum with BBT because of read placement.'

But then they moved both buddies into town slots but that still means they're scum because of reads placement even though read placement has changed.

That is a poor, superficial attempt at a case (coincidentally as Aristo was coming under pressure, he seemed perfectly happy to continue coasting beforehand as if he didn't want to say anything that might attract some attention onto himself.)

I have no doubts NM and Performer will see the bullshit in that post.

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This is exactly what TChill was talking about early game.

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He was talking about how, as town, you shouldn't let highly suspected/coasting players into LyLo/MyLo.

It's detrimental to town.

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Thanks for Modding Penguin, great job!

Couple of things for me personally - I'm really glad we won this game because I felt like after N1 our kills were forced - we couldn't direct the game how we liked because we had to kill certain people.

Secondly, town lost the game when TChill was lynched - we even said in our thread we're gonna have to kill him because he is never getting lynched. That was pretty nice play for teacher to get him out of the game.

I really enjoyed this game and it was my first time playing scum in a long time. I thought I had messed up in MyLo because I was expecting more weight to be attributed to Garmr being killed.

Would also like to know why Masons changed their minds, felt like I was fighting a lost cause.

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I'm also OK with our thread being released.

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He was talking about how, as town, you shouldn't let highly suspected/coasting players into LyLo/MyLo.

It's detrimental to town.

lmao bbt.

I genuinely enjoyed playing with you mate and it's a shame there aren't more players with your mindset.

If I were town in this game I would have pushed so hard to lynch Nos/Aristo. Slots like that should never reach end game.

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Yeah Garmr, you're right. I only realised what I had said after I pressed submit. As town, it shouldn't have mattered to me who we lynched so suggesting Ari was basically a scum claim with teacher.

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Performer you were on point during N1 - had myself and teacher pinned.

I'm surprised you didn't attribute more weight to me pushing Nos all game though - I saw you mention it but you didn't seem to give it much credence.