mini normal 2027: advice mafia (endgrame)

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there are slots ahead of FA_Q2 in the lynching order

ok well given how bad your associatives are taking this position is something you're going to die for assuming he flips scum which he will.

[RadiantCowbells]

regardless of my will when I lead mislynches I end up universally scumread and usually lynched very quickly

just want to point out saudade started playing the game seriously as soon as I called him out as scum with wh4t.

[RadiantCowbells]

i am worried.

[RadiantCowbells]

healthy is a word no one would use to describe me or anything that I do

[RadiantCowbells]

people should just vote FA_Q2 so I don't have to actually make that case because cases take effort x_x

[RadiantCowbells]

u already did

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm gonna report you

[RadiantCowbells]

this action does not have my consent

[RadiantCowbells]

This is really opportunistic seeing RC just called for this lynch. I mean I didn't think you were buddying but you're not exactly helping your own case here.

??? so if I ask her to vote FA_Q2 (who is flipping scum) what's she supposed to do?

[RadiantCowbells]

she obvtowns most of the time as town. she's not doing that here.

[RadiantCowbells]

i am the consensus

[RadiantCowbells]

also consensus lynches hit town

[RadiantCowbells]

FA_QT

[RadiantCowbells]

three times or not good enough

[RadiantCowbells]

havo is confscum if he doesn't vote fa_q2 a third time you can bet on it

[RadiantCowbells]

ok well you should vote them because of 102 if you don't see why the rest of their posts are scummy

[RadiantCowbells]

whose a good duckling

duckling want some bread!?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm a bit hesitant and a bit paranoid because of how easy it's going up.

?????????????????????/

how easy it's going up?

look at how stupid easy your wagon and the IAI wagon formed, this took actual effort

[RadiantCowbells]

you're all high

jk if you're not on me you're actually gamethrowing

[RadiantCowbells]

nothing really says they're not to me

but there's better partners for FA so

[RadiantCowbells]

also FA has been around and just hasn't posted here and I think he's given up so, let's get on this.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm glad you decided to stay

[RadiantCowbells]

oh no

what should I give the duck instead

[RadiantCowbells]

you'll have to ask skygazer for that, I don't have any

[RadiantCowbells]

so are we just shitposting until FA_Q2 gets lynched

because i'm okay with this

[RadiantCowbells]

"secret"

[RadiantCowbells]

list of people still alive: FA_Q2

pls remedy

[RadiantCowbells]

also very heavily leaning towards the saudade/wh4t scumbuddies theory over some combo of tw/garmr/skygazer but garmr is scummy even in the former, though not as likely as the OG FA_Q2/Saudade/Wh4t.

[RadiantCowbells]

assuming this flips scum and I somehow die (I shouldn't) tomorrow's next lynch is wh4t then if she flips scum saudade next obv

[RadiantCowbells]

if this day phase takes any longer skygazer won't be a young hot girl anymore

[RadiantCowbells]

if he flips scum* i'm bad

[RadiantCowbells]

FA_Q2 is town but I think there's only at most 2 scum on the wagon, maybe only one.

the worst usually makes sense as scum every now and then

texcat has voted more than two people so that's confusing

Havo can be lost sheep

Lynchpool of {Sky, Radiant, HWS}

Obviously 1+ of those people is town, someone tell me which of the three is town and I think we have 50/50 on scum in the other two.

I am never wrong on strong townreads, and FA_Q2 is definitely town. You have permission to vacate that wagon immediately.

fuck off

[RadiantCowbells]

I know, it feels so weird after that Supp game

ducky are you down for garmr today?

yes I think so. ^_^
VOTE: Garmr

get back on there

krazy i'll lynch you if you try this shit FA is 100% scum

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll straight up 1v1 krazy on that. when I say people are scum they're scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

idgaf what your read on me is stop trying to derail FA_Q2

[RadiantCowbells]

if JK does your job I'm guarantaeeing at least 2/3 scum in the first 3 days. if I fail to meet that benchmark you can start scumreading me.

FA_Q2 is one of them.

[RadiantCowbells]

dw regardless of my read on him he was just became the first lynch when the people I'm major scumreading are gone.

if I'm honest I don't really get why we were lynching FA

DO I rly have to case this

[RadiantCowbells]

both are probably town as of right now

[RadiantCowbells]

if JK does your job I'm guarantaeeing at least 2/3 scum in the first 3 days. if I fail to meet that benchmark you can start scumreading me.

FA_Q2 is one of them.

and you can fuck off with trying to carry this over into other games. I have a confident bid at the scumteam here, I won't continually have that. you BoP me when I say I can be BoPed.

[RadiantCowbells]

krazy is bad just ignore him

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay I just went back and looked at the game
-so many- of the things that pinged me were references to saudade AND DT as opposed to just Saudade
So the reasons I have to put saudade as third kind of apply to krazy as well who is throwing out all the stops to keep FA_Q2 alive

[RadiantCowbells]

so there's a fairly reasonable chance that he's just scum who doesn't know when it's time to bus

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe my boi garmr was right

[RadiantCowbells]

m'boi garmr

[RadiantCowbells]

/me tips fedora

[RadiantCowbells]

aight garmr if you help me get this lynch through I promise you your DT lynch on D3. sounds good?

[RadiantCowbells]

sure.

Wh4t/Krazy/FA_Q2

easy gamesolve

[RadiantCowbells]

also intentionally or otherwise krazy is emulating me and I lean towards that being fully intentionally and him explicitly trying to do what I did.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA_Q2 has flipped mafia 1-shot strongman?

Do you want me to just lynch you then? Because that can be... arranged

[RadiantCowbells]

You can have all the meta you want I'm the guy who has never missed a fakeclaimed guilty and has 11/13 vig record (could be 12/14 if you count the time I shot a survivor but I'm just leaving it off the list)

what's your record on having your dark green list be correct in games when you're a scummy scumfuck?

[RadiantCowbells]

ok good though we're agreeing that when FA_Q2 flips scum (he will) you just get ransacked tomorrow for being at worst immensely disruptive scum in a town slot and at best scummy mc scumsters?

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epeen would be if I was trying to argue that we should lynch FA_Q2 because I'm better than you (I am but that's actually beside the point here.) I'm just saying that you're scum scumdefending your scumpartner, idk what reaction you want to that.

[RadiantCowbells]

everything you're saying and doing here is stuff I would say and do as scum if I needed to keep FA_Q2 alive. if you were as good as I am you would have bussed here, teammates are a liability.

[RadiantCowbells]

3 bote wagon already! How interesting!

What is interesting is that you felt the need to comment on the wagon w/o taking a stance.

Active lurking...

also do you want to see another super obviously svs comment that I just didn't buy into because I kind of lazily wrote DT off as town for now?

[RadiantCowbells]

Note that he's already making excuses for garmr flipping town like a good little scumbutt

[RadiantCowbells]

i could

but i could just, y'know, lynch him then wh4t then you

[RadiantCowbells]

i could

but i could just, y'know, lynch him then wh4t then you

[RadiantCowbells]

or well

lynch fa_Q2 then him then you

[RadiantCowbells]

ahem

he is my buddy and i don't want to lynch him

[RadiantCowbells]

WHO DO YOU WHO DO YOU WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE HA HA HA BLESS YOUR SOUL
YOU REALLY THINK YOU'RE IN CONTROL
WELL
I THINK YOU'RE KRAZY I THINK YOU'RE KRAZY I THINK YOU'RE KRAZY JUST LIKE MEEEE

actually someone rly should hammer

JUSTICE

[RadiantCowbells]

"its hard to case radiant well because of his playstyle"

[RadiantCowbells]

try "oh yeah rc is scum because um nothing in this game but he was rly good at scum once so he must be scum here right guys right guys right guys riiiiiiiiiiiiiight!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[RadiantCowbells]

well

I think you're krazy
I think you're krazy
I think you're krazy
Just like meeee

[RadiantCowbells]

"please give me time to undo the pressure on FA_Q2 and get the lynch somewhere I want it to be instead of on my scumpartner"

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: DUCK HAMMER TIME[/b]

[RadiantCowbells]

oops

im dum

[RadiantCowbells]

FA/Wh4t seems pretty set in stone to me
Last scum has a few different directions it could go, I think the most likely three are Krazy > Saudade > TW though

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

stop it

TW come on krazy is legit gonna win this game if we don't win this D1

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't even want to make a case because then that gives scum krazy the opportunity to argue with me and I really don't want to have to argue to get a lynch on someone who is clearly scum based on how they responded to pressure

[RadiantCowbells]

playing town is corralling a bunch of individual townies who all want to jump off different cliffs like lemmings but you have to run to each individual lemming and prevent it from jumping off the cliff

[RadiantCowbells]

like news flash

Garmr can get lynched
Skygazer can get lynched
You can get lynched
And texcat can get lynched

Bang that's it the game is over scum have already won and getting those four mislynches is pretty fucking easy in this lobby with so many lemmings running to different cliffs
if this game isn't won today this game is already a loss. and that's just the list of people who are already lynchbaity, what if someone does something dumb and scummy tomorrow and becomes mislynchable

we cannot afford to have a shit lynch while I'm alive. we rly can't.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do u want to win this game or do you want to exercise your individual liberty in voting for dumb people because ify ou want to exercise your individual liberty in voting for dumb people as a collective I'll just rep out and let yall lose

[RadiantCowbells]

good try

bye.

[RadiantCowbells]

3 bote wagon already! How interesting!

What is interesting is that you felt the need to comment on the wagon w/o taking a stance.

Active lurking...

no one says this about their mason buddy

I admire your balls in going for the all in but bye

[RadiantCowbells]

Byeeeeee

[RadiantCowbells]

I suppose I should have waited for him to corroborate the claim but meh

[RadiantCowbells]

oh okay

so it's just gg then

WP towny bois

[RadiantCowbells]

ot sure how to sort DT from it though. Both him and sau seem to be just trowing shit around and OMGUS.

also not a mason v mason associative
also the fact that FA_Q2 didn't get a special category of town as the dude's fucking MASON PARTNER
also the fact that both are scummy as fuck

LETS GO BOYS I WANT MY DAY 1 SCUM FORFEIT

[RadiantCowbells]

and girls too obv

I don't not want skygazer and tex to vote because of their gender

[RadiantCowbells]

there's gonna be some sort of 'oh i didnt want scum to know who my partner was when i flipped' rebuttal but yeah that never happened and hasnt' happened in any game I've ever seen over the past 5 years so

[RadiantCowbells]

how do you know TW doesn't have much money irl? for all you know he's loaded as fuck

[RadiantCowbells]

tonight we settle all family business

only don't tell me that you're innocent. it insults my intelligence.

[RadiantCowbells]

quackyfuck

can you hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

oh i ugess it'sn ot hammer yet because

SOMEBODY

not naming any names

[RadiantCowbells]

or

they could be claiming masons with him

nah he's gonna flip an important PR i'm pretty sure

[RadiantCowbells]

also wh4t's the third but

hammer a claimed mason? nah nk will sort it unless they're literally scum with krazy which we'll figure out c:

let's lynch texcat

fuck off are you really the buddy?

[RadiantCowbells]

you're out of your goddamned mind their predecessors doubtcasted each other repeatedly all game

[RadiantCowbells]

worst if you're town you're forfeiting any right to individual control of your vote in future games

you're out of your mind rn

[RadiantCowbells]

what, masons distancing is unheard of? o.0

yes it is

ok

I"m just gonna treat you as scum from now on and preserve my sanity

{FA_Q2 -> KRazy} -> {1/2 of Wh4t/TW}

then this is done

[RadiantCowbells]

LIKE THEY DIDN'T EVEN KEEP POSTING, THEY BACKED OFF WHEN CALLED OUT TO TALK IN THEIR FUCKING SCUM PT

YOU DON'T THINK TOWN MASONS WOULD HAVE SOME LEVEL OF RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION THAT DOESN'T TAKE AN HOUR TO COME OUT

HOW IS THIS GAME ONGOING MAFIA IS SO EASY BUT JFC

[RadiantCowbells]

actually krazy repping in and buddying me is probably kinda scum indicative, DT seemed towny but like...his gimmick is just yelling at things so idk exactly how to read that.......

for the love of bread pls just end this dumb game

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm cosplaying as shoshin

[RadiantCowbells]

zzz losers

[RadiantCowbells]

this mason claim should insult the intelligence of everyone currently in the game

[RadiantCowbells]

i think thats hammer

[RadiantCowbells]

NOPE IT'S L-1

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE
MILK FOR THE KHORNE FLAKES

[RadiantCowbells]

i think he's strongman and you think if you can't get rid of me you're just utterly bumfucked

also that's not how a real mason would respond

[RadiantCowbells]

ima bash ur stunty hed in u git

grimgor is da bes

[RadiantCowbells]

dear lord

this is why they claimed masons

their interactions are clearly not masons

masons don't doubtcast each other in that svs way

masons would be righteously indignant right now

[RadiantCowbells]

garmr you actually get much respect since you caught dt first btw

[RadiantCowbells]

we are da bes masons

[RadiantCowbells]

SCUMMITY SCUM SCUM

SCUMMITY SCUM SCUM

look at the scumfucks go

[RadiantCowbells]

still 0 explanation of how you ended up doubtcasting each others slots in the early game

but i guess the play around that is that anyone who notices it knows your scum regardless and there's not much response except to distract from it

[RadiantCowbells]

fun stuff

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Not sure how to sort DT from it though.

how do i sort my mason buddy pls help

[RadiantCowbells]

send help

my mason buddy

is literally unsortable

how did this game get so fucking hard

[RadiantCowbells]

is he my mason buddy or is he my kind of mason buddy
hmm

[RadiantCowbells]

maybe he's a scum mason

[RadiantCowbells]

am i too hard to play against

[RadiantCowbells]

@Saudade
@Gamma
@HWS
@Tex

go time babes

[RadiantCowbells]

dang i wanted this lynch 2nite not 2morrow

[RadiantCowbells]

are you high

how high are you

[RadiantCowbells]

the mason claims

who doubtcasted each other and talked about how they couldn't sort each other

[RadiantCowbells]

like don't let scum hide behind a mason claim when it's objectively obvious that both are scum.

imagine masons pretending not to be masons in a game

it has literally never ever ever happened in that way over 45 thousand posts and 5 years. I know what I'm talking about.
this is also -never- a mason pair's reaction to the pressure. FA_Q2 doesn't lurk away pressure as mason.

[RadiantCowbells]

Saudade you wanted lessons in how to play town? don't believe claims that are obviously fake

[RadiantCowbells]

you're bad and need to put your ego away.

[RadiantCowbells]

if you hammer right now

I will put that quote in my signature after the game is over regardless of what anyone flips

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh yeah I forgot you were the other person who had god awful FA_Q2 associations lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Okay, I'll just pretend you don't exist for a while

[RadiantCowbells]

But that would make wh4t town and the thought of that scares me

[RadiantCowbells]

Listen if you're scum you actually have a decent chance with how many people on this town hate each other

so you should just bus, yeah?

[RadiantCowbells]

Blah you're right you're probably town

you're not playing well tho

[RadiantCowbells]

probably as in town over wh4t who does have worse associations
but this is actually pretty much exactly what I'd expect a scumpartner of them to do given how deep they went, might as well commit everything here.

[RadiantCowbells]

the hard chainsaw that you did earlier in this game though, woof

like I usually don't expect that as scum

but you're definitely in the scum shortlist

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Garmr
lold
Hard scum reads me and thomas
LOLD

like this is brutallllll

[RadiantCowbells]

hmm

you mean that the person who until very shortly I said was one of FA_Q2's scumpartners... I'm now saying still is a strong contender for one of FA_Q2's scumpartner?

[RadiantCowbells]

If you're scum I'm seriously saying that you should just give up on this game. Take the loss.
I will get fucking brutal if that's what I need to do to guarantee this lynch, I haven't been gentle this game but you've seen absolutely nothing from me compared to what I will do.

Also FTR that needs to die before wh4t because it's more of a threat to the long term town wincon if its town

FA_Q2 -> Krazy -> Saudade -> Wh4t

[RadiantCowbells]

think your 'certainty' that the slot is masons should be treated as a scumclaim

[RadiantCowbells]

unfortunately I don't think it's implausible that you're actually this bad as town, I need to sit in FA_Q2 and DT's isos for a while longer.

If you are scum it means scum have been tryinh to defend each other and I mean HARD defend each other the entire game, which based on this mason claim is actually a lot more reasonable than I used to think it was.

[RadiantCowbells]

you wouldnt know what's forced even if it hit you
VOTE: Skygazer

An OMGUS vote?

This is bullshit. I can get behind a Saudade wagon once RC is sorted. That claim is to scummy to let stand.

3 bote wagon already! How interesting!

What is interesting is that you felt the need to comment on the wagon w/o taking a stance.

Active lurking...

lol

I mean I've already brought all these points up but this is pretty plausible

[RadiantCowbells]

DT, I just took Saudade's post to be a joke that Havo replied to however I also disliked the reply. You can be town.

{DT, Saudade}
{RC}
{Everyone else}
{Havo}
{CT, IAI, FA}

BUT DAMN WH4T IF SAUDADE IS THE SCUM YOUR READS ARE BAD LOL

I came out of a game with DT coming into this game
he had the exact same playstyle
easiest townread of my life
same with the duck who is voting in the wrong place there right now

or

or




or










or


scum just doesn't know when to bus

[RadiantCowbells]

u should learn when to bus

yeaaah I'm actually leaning saudade third. this level of certainty feels faked as fuck.

Let's get that sexy hammer down bbs

[RadiantCowbells]

also the way that you're trying to manipulate me is bad

[RadiantCowbells]

eh

i don't think you have the capacity for any level of scum play that would impress me, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

and that's regardless of your alignment here.

i confess myself... dissappointed.

[RadiantCowbells]

you ready to start?

[RadiantCowbells]

ah

but none of those games had me in it, did they

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

i'm remembering it

still remembering it

still remembering it

still
fuck

wait

what was it again

[RadiantCowbells]

well when you made the wrong plays you created this situation

[RadiantCowbells]

and with this i will go because talking to you isn't productive at all and I've no intention to be part of your ego enlargement on the internet process

this isn't the post of someone who thinks that FA_Q2 flips town

[RadiantCowbells]

imagine masons pretending not to be masons in a game

also for everyone elses benefit

maybe the masons don't sit there saying their teammates are completely fucking locktown
but they don't say the things that were said in this game about each other. ever.

[RadiantCowbells]

but yeah I'm sliiightly leaning Saudade over Wh4t
I guess I might be oversimplifying to some extent, I should produce a full readslist to clarify where I'm at

[RadiantCowbells]

but even I don't know where I'm at

I'm going to be jailkept tonight anyway, I'll come in tomorrow or after the other 'mason' lynch with my thoughts

[RadiantCowbells]

i mean

i don't know wher eI'm at outside of the block of people who I said had bad associatives

[RadiantCowbells]

but this is probably outright finished with

FA_Q2 -> Krazy -> Saudade -> Wh4t.

[RadiantCowbells]

need one more of those votey bois on the mason bois

[RadiantCowbells]

@whoever isn't voting for scum

pls be voting for scum

tyia

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm sorry that your predecessors made your mason claim not work.

You're trying awfully hard for a game that's already over man. Let it go.

[RadiantCowbells]

(Also you said 'if' there are two dead masons)

[RadiantCowbells]

Can we please just get a hammer on this so I don't have to continue to argue with scum
I have legitimate fears that yall are going to fuck this up somehow

I have played more games than anyone on this site and others, and am at the very least near the top of the metagame.

I know what is and isn't a mason ISO.

never

does a mason talk about not knowing how to read another mason from something.

very frequently

do scum talk about not knowing how to read other scumbuddies.

Krazy underestimated me, thought he could pull FA_Q2 out from the hole that he dug himself and is going to the extent of claiming masons and hope that he can repeatedly say that he wasn't killed because scum were trying to wifom him as a mislynch. The worst part is

katsuki (who was active around the same time Krazy is from) has actually used exactly this strategy

.

you don't not lynch someone because they claim mason when the mason claim is utterly a scumclaim given the two mutual isos
you notice that they have not responded regarding the isos... because they can't because they recognize that anyone who understands the game will instantly know that they are scum for it.

The correct play therefore is to distract from it, AtE, talk about other things, pull all these wallposts talking about how he would never do this. that's what they're doing.

we're not going to waste time, push a shit mislynch, and potentially allow myself to get strongmanned so I can watch you all fucking flounder from the GY

this is the lynch, please hurry up and hammer so that I don't have to stay here and point out that they're scum because if I don't you will all fuck this up.

[RadiantCowbells]

idc what sort of bullshit you want to tell yourself about 'dont lynch mason claims' when the isos mutually confirm them as scum. we're hammering.

I will make this as brutal if it needs to be so if you don't want to see me with the kid gloves off then hammer FA_Q2 and finish the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

for the same reason I am strongly advocating you fuck off and take the loss krazy. all you're doing is burning my energy, you're not talking your way out of this, the game is over. just let it go.

[RadiantCowbells]

it's a claim that imo should insult the intelligence of most people in game but I fully understand why it was made and the threat it poses, there's a reason I'm stamping down hard here.

I genuinely believe town will lose this well over 75% of the time if I allow this day to end with a lynch that isn't in the 'masons'.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok that's not entirely fair: that's based on the assumption I'm currently making that scum have a 1-shot strongman.
If I allow myself to die before lynching one of the 'masons' town loses 75% of the time.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think he's going to keep him at l-1

[RadiantCowbells]

sry guess i'm just 2good

[RadiantCowbells]

it literally doesn't matter given that he's claimed masons with someone he's clearly not masons with while clearly having out of thread communication with them, what your read on him is is utterly immaterial at this point.

[RadiantCowbells]

mafia do share a meeting, that's the point of me saying 'while clearly having out of thread communication with them' because it actually precludes the possibility of krazy just being gt level

So the case that they are not masons could be turned into a case that they are not mafia together as well.

no it couldn't and that's such a stupid thing to say that I really hope that you're scum bsing right now

[RadiantCowbells]

like a series of post v posts that are clearly not mason do not preclude clearly not scum, and I even explicitly said the fact that they clearly have out of thread communication adds to my certainty because it precludes krazy being a gamethrower, but do your thing man idk what to say

[RadiantCowbells]

if you're not scum, you're the reason they claimed masons.

[RadiantCowbells]

and ftr

that's not what that means garmr

but what it does mean? that it's almost certain that there are no masons because then the reviewers would have remembered to change it to private topics in general.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi I expect to be literally hated right now

[RadiantCowbells]

Gonna say in my defense

[RadiantCowbells]

I have literally never, over the past 5 years I've been here, seen a mason mason interaction anything like this one. If anyone wants to dig through my history in search of that they are welcome to but I had every reason to believe masons wouldn't actually talk about being unable to sort one another and them doing so now amazes me and I couldn't really play around it. Sorry for being super wrong but I was just trying to win.

I'm not jailkeeper enabler if I have to say that, I just didn't want to die n1.

[RadiantCowbells]

Maybe there's no jailkeeper, maybe they had other priorities.

I'm not an enabler as I said.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: wh4t

This is an overlap in my mutual scumpool but the direction of the game is largely determined by someone else.

[RadiantCowbells]

Masons:
Krazy
FA_Q2

These basically do not change at this point (I know each of these players very well and am very confident in my read now):

The Worst Toranaga Fredrick A Campbell*I am hoping I am not suffering from Taly!Syndrome but I still feel strong about this read
Saudade
HeWhoSwims horrordude0215

Likely town:

texcat

-- I know texcat's playstyle pretty well and this does not look like scum!texcat. Very close to darkgreen.

Havo

-- don't know this person at all, could be wrong, but lost sheep seems like a pretty likely explanation

Slight townlean

Gamma Emerald I Am Innocent

-- Hammer suggests I seriously have to consider that my first impression here was wrong, but it remains quite possible that I simply overestimated Gamma's townplay

Completly Trustworthy

-- I was saying likely conftown when I was feeling more certain on Garmr and when I thought his push was harder, on rereading the slot I am less certain this is town. Still, his points have been pretty good. His points about FA/DT were correct, the distancing there was kinda "not good". I kinda think a town!CT would have responded more to my push on Garmr, but it could be that my defense of FA was just that bad and observer effect is damaging my read.

Sort these for game win

Skygazer

-- Maybe Sky's early game is very different from her lategame but this feels very different than the Sky I know

Best solve for 3/3

Garmr

-- viewtopic.php?p=10397913#p10397913 this looks like scum!Garmr to me, but I have struggled with reading this particular player in the past.

Wh4t

-- Basically his early posts are active!town frontloaded and then he goes into lurk mode which seems pretty scummy. OMGUS near the end of his post history seems very much at odds with the thought process and apparent scumhunting of earlier in the dayphase.

RadiantCowbells

-- says he's super good at this game, so I'm less certain he's just a [redacted] Seriously there is some grade A anti-replace-in behavior from Radiant. Dude should be lynched tomorrow regardless of alignment just so the rest of you have a solid chance of actually solving the game. Since he insists he's just the best at mafia, I am no longer willing to accept the argument he's just [redacted]. And I have other reasons to suspect his claim is fake or at the very least that there is no town-sided jailkeeper so his role is at best useless. I actually thought his claim looked like something a VT would do but I think a flip would be a good way to find out at this point. The thread would be easier to read without his constant [redacted] posting. He is a player that firmly believes in open wolfing and if anyone says that he is simply VI and not scum they are probably a buddy. Lynch immediately.

Taking this as seriously as possible

They were open about lack of credibility about the tw read so I'm removing them from my locktown

Saud horror Tex havo I'm more than fine with as q townpool

[RadiantCowbells]

My starting ground is wh4t/CT scum, reasons are my own for now.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to believe that the be nice to RC meta from skygazer isn't her scumplay but I don't think it's literally impossible

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm so hurt that you always roll scum in games with me wh4t

[RadiantCowbells]

You don't know how much if actually upsets me

[RadiantCowbells]

Also let's discuss that 'makes no sense from a town pov'
What specific point doesn't make sense

FA was objectively scummy and had a disgusting ISO, their partner who claimed in their defense had interactions that are batshit insane never before seen mason-mason interactions and they didn't bother to defend themselves.

The result was bad but my play D1 makes me neither scum not bad.
Also, hi *2 skygazer

[RadiantCowbells]

Idk.

Sorry

[RadiantCowbells]

Flipped masons may have policy scumread me but wh4t was their top scumread and in a universe where this game's play comes from town them town really needs to lose this.

First impulse was that the LAMIST withdrawals from Tex/TW/etc were probably scum, now I'm not so sure. Dont have a clear pick for third right now, I think skygazer resolves herself once we start flipping scum so shouldnt be all that many slots to fuss over for last scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think if garmr has a real guilty we can force scum to nightkill him first

And if not whether he's town or scum were better off not voting his scumread here

[RadiantCowbells]

Getting real side eyes at the idea of there even being a watcher in this setup but like maybe? But either way if the result is real we really don't get punished for waiting until later to sort it out

[RadiantCowbells]

Like I'm not sure what the play here is but I'm pretty sure it's to just lynch wh4t who is an overlap scumread of mine and the dead Mason's and whom would I am fairly certain never, ever push on me like this as town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also my past experience with garmr includes him guiltying town and me being forced to decide between pling him for it and lynching my game long scumread. I did win that but like

Regardless of garmrs alignment, if the claim is real garmr is too high threat to leave alive so nah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also my past experience with garmr includes him guiltying town and me being forced to decide between pling him for it and lynching my game long scumread. I did win that but like

Regardless of garmrs alignment, if the claim is real garmr is too high threat to leave alive so nah.

I'm guessing that you didn't pl him for it, or he might not be still trying stunts like this.

I managed to get scum to react and make it obvious who they were.

you say that but i had been saying bbt was scum d1 so its not like we needed help knowing that that scummy fuck was scum

[RadiantCowbells]

that's the thing I post in my scumgames x_x

[RadiantCowbells]

for my part I'm just... not at all apologetic about the mason situation.
the masons should have realized how bad their interactions looked and that my pushing them for it was at worst NAI and actually addressed the heart of my concern by talking about the convo in mason chat that led up to it
they didn't, they chose to shit on me for being bad for thinking that masons don't talk about how hard it is to read each other when I also have an established record of dealing with masons poorly, and we get to today.

Did I play badly? in terms of reading FA_Q2 wrong yes, maybe. But from another point of view FA_Q2 was playing as an informed player and concealing information about DT that they knew, so how was I supposed to know they weren't scum doing scum things?

[RadiantCowbells]

i have scumread masons in every game i've played with them and correctly called the pairing out (but as scumbuddies) a ridiculous amount of times

[RadiantCowbells]

for my part I'm just... not at all apologetic about the mason situation.
the masons should have realized how bad their interactions looked and that my pushing them for it was at worst NAI and actually addressed the heart of my concern by talking about the convo in mason chat that led up to it
they didn't, they chose to shit on me for being bad for thinking that masons don't talk about how hard it is to read each other when I also have an established record of dealing with masons poorly, and we get to today.

Did I play badly? in terms of reading FA_Q2 wrong yes, maybe. But from another point of view FA_Q2 was playing as an informed player and concealing information about DT that they knew, so how was I supposed to know they weren't scum doing scum things?

RC, you were quick to say that we should let scum sort out the Garmr fake claim. Why didn't you say the same thing about the masons yesterday?

these are very, very different situations

[RadiantCowbells]

hi i'm bored of this game so i'm going to let postie post for me glglglglglglglglglgl

[RadiantCowbells]

no not actually ur all fools

[RadiantCowbells]

ct's defense of wh4t could ez be svs

[RadiantCowbells]

@ruby

[RadiantCowbells]

why am I in your poe and why don't you have strong opinions about who scum are?

[RadiantCowbells]

cuz, like, idk.

I guess I had what I will now call a fantasy that you replaced in to correctly townread me and defend me and help me lynch scum but I guess in reality you're just being your usual self who underperforms every time that I hope you come through for me.

[RadiantCowbells]

still happy about wh4t and CT, should be able to find the last scum when they're gone,

ruby red

isn't going to be helpful so let's go.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't defend Wh4t RC, I merely said I don't like the pace at which this wagon is forming and we need to get more info out of players like GE and Ruby Red. There is over a week to decide on a lynch, so just pushing one wagon and not expressing suspicion of anyone else is bad for the town because it limits discussion.
I will probably vote for Wh4t in the end because his last few posts seem weird compared with the rest of his ISO and he has not been posting much, but I won't just sheep your opinion again when you might be evil and were wrong once before. I want more evidence before I commit.

It is very dangerous to assume that anyone is confirmed town, so expecting everyone to townread you is silly RC. I might think better of you if you made a comprehensive case on why Wh4t is scum and tried to get everyone on the same page through evidence rather than just demanding a vote. Right now, I think your process for finding scum is a little suspect, someone making one post implying that they are hesitant to vote a person you think is suspicious does not mean they are scum. Townies vary in opinion and will not always be on the same page with you.So I'm not going to follow you off a cliff RC, especially since it seems likely you are scum or are voting a townie. After all, if you are normally a mislynch, why are several people just going along with what you say mindlessly? I think the reason is because you are casting suspicion on a townie. I'd prefer to lynch on the FA wagon, which almost certainly contains scum. That is why I am currently questioning you and GE, both of you are players that I need to understand better.

What between these two posts changed your mind about that, or did you scumbuddies tell you not to bus?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm gonna be sober over the next few days and that's not good news for scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

uhh

gamma

me making references isn't scum indicative by any stretch.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok

i've also used it as town for various things, here various things being my own personal amusement

is there a reason we're not lynching wh4t?

[RadiantCowbells]

ur getting wagoned by people counterwagoning scum wh4t

i'm really not who you should be worried about mr. gamma emerald

[RadiantCowbells]

why are we not lynching wh4t who came in with a rly shitty scumread on me and then didn't do anything else

[RadiantCowbells]

which of u scumbutts are preventing dis wagon u scumbutts

[RadiantCowbells]

you should vote it then

[RadiantCowbells]

y quickhammer u quacker

[RadiantCowbells]

eh

if wh4t's town i don't want to win anymore so