Mini Normal 2030: Day 8

[FrankJaeger]

Prodge

[FrankJaeger]

VOTE: ManateeDude

Gutscum

Why are you selflynching?

ManateeDude unlynch yourself

Selflynch is gamethrow unless you're jester/mime

Morning, all.

Parrot coming down so hard on someone for a joke vote? It is super early day one and that is very twitchy.

Scummy twitchy or towny twitchy

[FrankJaeger]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Can you explain this a little more?

[FrankJaeger]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Can you explain this a little more?

1)He doesnt explain how "shaking him a bit" would help differentiate townmanatee vs scummanatee.

2) how is it particularly useful here, when by his words, "hes scummy as both town and scum"?

I would just like an elaboration.

@Saudade

How was the statement clear? Im not saying it was necessarily scummy, but it left alot to be desired.

[FrankJaeger]

Well that explanation definitely should have been added with your original post. I don’t think anyone would have known that was what you were asking

I asked him to explain what he said. Not that complex.

I guess i

could

have been more specific initially but I really wanted to see where he would take the convo before I dug deeper on it.

[FrankJaeger]

Well that explanation definitely should have been added with your original post. I don’t think anyone would have known that was what you were asking

Doughboy, using that same logic, do you understand my curiosity with crimsons statement?

[FrankJaeger]

I'm not Crimson, but I feel like expecting Crimson to answer that question before Manatee gives a response would defeat the purpose of Crimson pushing Manatee in the first place.

I can agree with this, but I would like to point out the irony here.

[FrankJaeger]

Scummy twitchy or towny twitchy

It'a my first game outside of a newbie setting. How does a twitchy act?

I don't think its a common term or anything if thats what you mean

[FrankJaeger]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Can you explain this a little more?

1)He doesnt explain how "shaking him a bit" would help differentiate townmanatee vs scummanatee.

2) how is it particularly useful here, when by his words, "hes scummy as both town and scum"?

I would just like an elaboration.

@Saudade

How was the statement clear? Im not saying it was necessarily scummy, but it left alot to be desired.

what it seemed obvious to me is that he's voted his fellow man in order to get him to express himself more, because the player is known (to him) to exhibit scum traits as either alignment so he would need extra info/data from him through self expression to make a more accurate decision on whether hes scum or town.

This...doesnt explain anything.

[FrankJaeger]

Looking like a town reaction from Flavor Flav

[FrankJaeger]

We are neighbors

??

[FrankJaeger]

Doughboi, flavor flav town pile. Krazy too I guess just for the neighbor thing.

[FrankJaeger]

Doughboi, flavor flav town pile. Krazy too I guess just for the neighbor thing.

This is townie to town read both neighbors even though the neighbors or going after each other, yet not getting wagoned. If they were getting wagon’d it would be different, but this doesn’t give town cred didn’t to preventing of a flip rather than trying to create it.

This is a town trajectory thus far.

Im trying to understand the second sentence here. I think there is a typo throwing me off

[FrankJaeger]

so nobody else is going to vote Krazy?

Can somebody explain why town Krazy asks that as his first game related question? He could have literally asked anything else. What am I missing?

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?.
Not really alot of content to go from, and I feel unless he does more to look scummy, its smarter to focus elsewhere.
I understand your perspective, if that helps lol.

[FrankJaeger]

Why does him being neighbor make him a higher chance of being town? My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum. Though I’m used to 3 people. Like why not just do masons if we are both town? This is a normal game right? I feel like neighbors with both town is kindness of trickery.

Anyways. I’ll leave my vote on him for now. I don’t see much from him in the game so far. At best he’s null

No I agree, but at least 1 of you is town, and im staying away from it.

I actually thought about the mason thing, and i think it hints there may be other neighborhoods. But i suck at set up spec and generally try to stay away from that too.

[FrankJaeger]

"Green leaning: Saudade - Helpful and contributing"

Naomi can you tag the posts that are helpful

[FrankJaeger]

"Green leaning: Saudade - Helpful and contributing"

Naomi can you tag the posts that are helpful

[FrankJaeger]

Oh nvm you seem to be catching up now?

[FrankJaeger]

Read the player based on if you find them townie or scummy, don’t focus on being in the neighborhood makes them more likely, that’s just outguessing the mod.

Also, I don’t feel like getting into it with Naomi right now. It wasn’t a misrep. I see what you meant now, the rest still stands because why wouldn’t try to work with people I town read? Especially if it’s a player I already know.

Just gonna roll this into 159

What

[FrankJaeger]

NAOMI, sorry if im impatient, but i cant tell if youre ignoring my question about your Saud read

[FrankJaeger]

Dont really like Sauds reaction to votes, and I haven't exactly been getting town vibes from him anyway.
VOTE: Saud

[FrankJaeger]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Im scummy as town and scum when I have low wim, which is fortunately not the case here!

Good to know that, i'm expecting to more from you then.

Also yeah, explaining what i'm exactly trying to do kinda defeats the whole purpose of it but i can do it if you guys really want me to.

Yeah i do. Im really interested now.

[FrankJaeger]

as to my previous statement
VOTE: FrankJaeger
congratulations

can you vote Frank now

Krazy vote is a good one too. Not as good as a Frank vote, but it's up there.

Oh Naomi, bad vote.
switch to Frank

as to my previous statement
VOTE: FrankJaeger
congratulations

Flavor read @ Frank's iso
tell me what you think there

Your whole ISO is pretty terrible too so I'm okay with this

Nothing here is swaying my opinion on this dude.
OMGUS vote then crying for help the rest of the way.

If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.

[FrankJaeger]

How come

I just want to shake him a bit. Manatee is difficult to read because he's scummy as both town and scum.

Can you explain this a little more?

1)He doesnt explain how "shaking him a bit" would help differentiate townmanatee vs scummanatee.

2) how is it particularly useful here, when by his words, "hes scummy as both town and scum"?

I would just like an elaboration.

@Saudade

How was the statement clear? Im not saying it was necessarily scummy, but it left alot to be desired.

what it seemed obvious to me is that he's voted his fellow man in order to get him to express himself more, because the player is known (to him) to exhibit scum traits as either alignment so he would need extra info/data from him through self expression to make a more accurate decision on whether hes scum or town.

This...doesnt explain anything.

Absolutely does!!!

Doughboi, flavor flav town pile.

Krazy too I guess just for the neighbor thing.

W K!

so nobody else is going to vote Krazy?

Can somebody explain why town Krazy asks that as his first game related question? He could have literally asked anything else. What am I missing?

Hes a neighbor, which im guessing has a higher chance if being town?.

Not really alot of content to go from, and I feel unless he does more to look scummy, its smarter to focus elsewhere.
I understand your perspective, if that helps lol.

Alarm bells!

Why does him being neighbor make him a higher chance of being town? My experience with neighbors is there is always one scum. Though I’m used to 3 people. Like why not just do masons if we are both town? This is a normal game right? I feel like neighbors with both town is kindness of trickery.

Anyways. I’ll leave my vote on him for now. I don’t see much from him in the game so far. At best he’s null

No I agree, but at least 1 of you is town, and im staying away from it.
I actually thought about the mason thing, and i think it hints there may be other neighborhoods.

But i suck at set up spec and generally try to stay away from that too.

TMI?

1- it doesnt explain anything but the obvious. I know WHY it was done. Im interested in the HOW it works

2- idk what W K means but my point is they wouldnt put 2 scum in a neighborhood. So the safe bet D1 is to assume they are both town.

3- Alarm bells...

4- Unless youre hinting at something, this is another point of yours im not grasping

[FrankJaeger]

FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs

Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson post

[FrankJaeger]

Vote Frank

>skips RVS
>FoS with no vote is not townie for d1

I am voting.

WKing is incorrect characterization; this is defensive play, which is a different strategy but scummy for largely the same reasons. The townread on me with no evidence is more suggestive of his early game pattern of prioritizing townreads over scumreads. While he has scumreads now, he starts off with a more quick townreads which actually strikes me as a touch scummy.

having town reads before scum reads isnt scummy, sorry

No reads through iso 8
106, 117, all quick townreads (very passive)

first scumread is 239, iso 20, on Sau

While Saudade himself gave pushback, Doughboy had already started the push on Sau, with an RVS from Horror sitting there as well. Sau was a very safe push, and he did not push very hard even then.

what do you mean safe push?

If anyone interprets this as town, please enlighten me.

Doesn't seem townie to me.

Sauds play is questionable here. If you disagree let's talk about it

FOS on white ethos.
1st post rvs

Rest of iso is fence sitting except for the awkward reply to my crimson post

Why FOS here?

why repeat myself?

[FrankJaeger]

I wasn't saying that Saud's play wasn't questionable (he's probably town this game but I get why some people don't like his style), I was saying "if anyone disagrees say so" strikes me as a scummy way to push your read. If anyone disagrees they will say so. Asking for them to disagree makes it seem to me like you're worried Sau actually flips green and you want to be talked out of your push while seeming active. Your push on Sau reads more like "I want to look busy" than "I want to lynch scum."

Yea he literally threatened to run up a wagon on the next person to vote him. Scummy claim in itself. But that doesnt seem like a spot to go to "look busy". Looking busy entails not actually being busy. Its obvious me voting him wasn't going to afford me any sort of coasting.

That also goes to you calling him an "easy push". I still dont quite know whayt you meant by that.

[FrankJaeger]

Krazy, I sure hope you arent trying to jump on me to get the attention off of yourself. Your vote on me is kinda bad

[FrankJaeger]

Like, saying FoS is bad if youre not voting on D1...what

[FrankJaeger]

who wants to get me up to speed? I know there's only 13 pages but I'm in a bad mood so don't plan to read them all today :0

Vote Saud. He says its time for some pressure

[FrankJaeger]

Profi, whats with the one liners?

[FrankJaeger]

Im having a hard time reading the duck so far

[FrankJaeger]

Feeling slightly better about Light ethos after back and fourth with profi

[FrankJaeger]

1 scum already on my wagon. Posting better when off work

[FrankJaeger]

Hey guys, im hunkered down and have a few days off to catch up.