mini normal 2042: labeled pictures meme mafia (game over)

[Keyser Söze]

Let's Get Biblical!

[Keyser Söze]

Lynch all liars.

VOTE: Krazy

[Keyser Söze]

What's scummy about lying?

I have solid evidence to prove that scum lie more often than town on mafiascum.

[Keyser Söze]

Really bad vote, Carmen. Really bad.

A necessary vote.

Is this what scum-Shoshin looks like?

[Keyser Söze]

Why are you shouting?

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Shoshin

[Keyser Söze]

Really bad vote, Carmen. Really bad.

ARE YOU SAYING YOU'RE SUPER TOWNIE?

Yeah, I would like to conduct an acid test.
Town-Shoshin is famous for her early D1 serious-posting (amidst the carrousel of RVS and fluff posting).
I want to find out if this is REAL this game, or FORCED playstyle: ignoring the tone of player’s posts, deflective defence, scum-entrance strategy to pocket players.

[Keyser Söze]

Did not know she was L-1.

UNVOTE:

[Keyser Söze]

You just put her wagon L-3
How does that feel?

Town cleared if she’s scum

[Keyser Söze]

Nah, Key's scum.

I was hoping for a scum roll with the worst. But got something entirely different...

[Keyser Söze]

yo if anyone is a dayvig please speak up
I have an idea

No roleclaiming/quicklynching today please.
I want to enjoy this setup and playerlist to the max.

[Keyser Söze]

Yup, now would be a good time and place to see if she upholds this serious-posting-even-though-you’re-RVS-posting-‘how-dare-you-vote-me’ persona as both town and SCUM.

[Keyser Söze]

If I was put to L-1 in the first few pages of D1... how would I have reacted?

[Keyser Söze]

Yup, now would be a good time and place to see if she upholds this serious-posting-even-though-you’re-RVS-posting-‘how-dare-you-vote-me’ persona as both town and SCUM.

HAS SHOSHIN NEVER ROLLED SCUM?

Don’t know, was hoping you would look up her games... or if anyone has played with scum-Shoshin before (?)

[Keyser Söze]

Hi xwing, welcome to mafiascum.
How long have you been playing mafia for?

(Right now getting wolf in sheep’s clothes vibes from you )

[Keyser Söze]

the worst knows this isn't my scum game because he's seen it before. That's why his vote was terrible and why I'm voting him for the rest of this game unless he really towns it up.

Irrelaphant also knows my town/scum play. He's correctly townreading me, because this is far from my scum game.

key's notion that I'm scum because I'm playing the same way I played as town is... patently absurd? Like, just take a second to think about it - "Shoshin is playing like in her town games, so let me vote her to test if she keeps playing like in her town games." Don't like Key at all this game. But I'll give it time, because I think I misread him last game and can't remember when he looks like as town/scum and he's sort of awkward in general.

It’s me fearing you could have a good scum game.
What’s wrong with that Shoshin? It’s early D1. There isn’t much to chew on right now. Let me muse.

FTR: I’d prefer for other people to shout ‘this is town Shoshin’ and not you.

[Keyser Söze]

@Shoshin - one more thing... if Irrelephant11 and The worst were both town reading you, would you feel better about them?

[Keyser Söze]

If the worst had townread me, I wouldn't have thoguht much of him at this point in the game. In retrospect, it's helpful that he voted me. He played it well, regardless of his alignment.

Good... (this puts to rest my concern that you were fixed in a logical fallacy / committing lazy thinking).

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: teacher

[Keyser Söze]

THIS IS TOWN SHOSHIN

Then her crime is far worse...

[getting off my chest]Shoshin wanted to get us out of RVS and talk ‘serious’, but when I/others actually began to raise serious suspicions on her she basically just shot us all down... basically calling my reason to scum read her as idiotic, and that you and the worst ‘should know’ this is town her. How does that open serious dialogue? It just closes doors. She’s off my Xmas card list now unless she delivers a town win here. Or maybe I’m not ready to be called an idiot... just yet...[/getting off my chest]

[Keyser Söze]

how so?

You’re very ‘nice’... possessing a kind aura (very unique to this site ).

[Keyser Söze]

I am very interested to see how an early wagon peaked so fast though.

Quick poll:

LAMIST or GENUINE CONCERN?

[Keyser Söze]

@Shoshin
Don’t worry, you’ve been town meta cleared by Irrelephant and The worst.

[Keyser Söze]

@Shoshin - when you said my idea was “patently absurd” I obviously misread your meaning I thought it was pretty well thought out for an early D1 paranoia lead.

[Keyser Söze]

What?! Carmen and Irrelephant11 in orgy scandal?

What list are we referring to? Am I in the top half?

[Keyser Söze]

I will re-read shouting sheep.

I was liking him so far: attacking everything irregular.

[Keyser Söze]

Why is this town indicative why does it fit into town!Flufflez' trajectory and mindset?

It's town indicative because town usually look through people's games to try to figure them out more than scum do.

When did FWS do this?

[Keyser Söze]

If forced to vote, it would be Keyser, but Id rather not park when I might not be back.

Strange

... trying to connect me as your partner eh?

Why not vote here? I'm your strongest scum read... I am in no danger of being hammered... don't you want to see me under pressure?


Catching up now.

[Keyser Söze]

Xwing is town.

Hmm... ok... the nature of his/her posting will probably mean only paranoia stops me from fully hardcore t/reading them - but yes, xwing has done nothing outright scummy so far. Their contributions so far are full of innocent/inquisitive meditations and questions.

Also liking Sheep for town, although he's doing his best to make me want to lynch him.

Yeah, can't see scum-motivation in Sheep's early play so far.
I can see he keeps biting all the juicy fruit on display, but I think it looks good on him.

I'm surprised people are staying away from FWS. I still think he's scum, for three reasons: one, his read on me felt very faked/forced; two,

his over-the-top anti-survivalistic approach to the game feels unnatural and makes much more sense from the perspective of scum trying to appear anti-survivalistic rather than town actually being anti-survivalistic

; and three, if he were town mislynch bait, I think the scum would have followed me onto him instead of staying away.

Interesting take. Very.

trying to evaluate if I deserve "devoid of town" at this point
in a game w/o Nauci shouting about how good I am as scum I kinda feel like you should be townreading me here? idk @tw, @keyser, @shoshin am I wrong

You are ☆☆☆/☆☆☆☆☆ town right now. A bit too quiet actually. Wouldn't say you're "devoid of town".

TOWN
{tw}
{xwing}
{Shoshin}
{Keyser}
{Krazy, Carmen} very high sort equity
{Relly, teacher} ~ this has ............... 1.2 scum in it
{Flufflez}

Not bad.

That's a really strong townread on xwing.

Like, higher than me? Wow

.

You must seriously stop talking about yourself. Leave that to us x

[Keyser Söze]

I will consider policying FWS if nothing strikes me on the readthrough. Please use regular caps? Pretty please?

Hmmm x 3.

Elephant -- I will be paranoid of him ever since he cakewalked our first game on site as scum (cf. 180-Nauci). But this game from him feels different than the one time we played together recently. I found it interesting that immediately after the naked and unannounced L-1, he claimed an inno on Sho (80). The Elephant I know tracks votes better than this. As a result, the catchup VC in 158 felt a bit forced as well. On the other hand, I liked 167's explanation for the take on Carmen, a slot I am being pinged by. Mostly, I want you to talk about 129. I found the reads on Shoshin and Keyser off at the time, but they may be based on Meta I dont know. Please to explain? Pure null.

Nice ramblings here. [In the back of my head, I concluded: scum-Irrelephant doesn't dive in to save scum-Shoshin's bacon here. His 158 post is very intriguing too, but can't put my finger on why...]

As for Keyser himself, I echo Xwing's question of what was giving you wolfy vibes about that slot as of 106?

My early fear was that xwing was adopting a soft/friendly persona (scum-motivated buddying attempt). These feelings have slowly subsided.

Carmen -- the townread on Sheep from asking for a Wiki, and the scumread on elephant both seem pretty empty. I certainly dont think you can call Elephant's ISO totally devoid of content, and am not sure I buy that Sheep actually wanted to metadive.

Two good points... perhaps Carmen is too easy (not demonstrating enough town paranoia/hesitation) to hard town read Sheep. The scum read/vote of Irrelephant opens up a second avenue of associations to look at later too.

[Keyser Söze]

Keyser.. blow me away?

You blew me away.


Page 10 gamesolve:

2 from [Teacher, Carmen, Irrelephant]?

[Keyser Söze]

It's the first game the worst hasn't looked scummy - should we be worried?

[Keyser Söze]

"pure null" or "pure bs"?

[Keyser Söze]

I hard anti-s/s read this as well, I think it's >rand t/t or s/t with TMI from scum-Irrelephant

Not something I'd wager a game on but a very decent starting read

what does white knighting have to do with this? what do you think made scum Irrelephant feel like this was a good time to swoop in and defend his scum buddy? or are you just being a contrian here? :

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

[Keyser Söze]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.

^
(White-knighting in isolation but supported by my t/read of TW)

[Keyser Söze]

[FTR for clarity: I haven't played a micro in a while so was ignorant to the fact how quickly a player can reach L-1 (only 5 votes for hammer?). I'm usually more cautious regard putting a player to L-1, especially on the first few pages of D1! My vote was a genuine/serious pressure vote though (neither RVS or a quick lynch attempt) following up to paranoia I had for Shoshin.]

[Keyser Söze]

[FTR for clarity: I haven't played a micro in a while so was ignorant to the fact how quickly a player can reach L-1 (only 5 votes for hammer?). I'm usually more cautious regard putting a player to L-1, especially on the first few pages of D1! My vote was a genuine/serious pressure vote though (neither RVS or a quick lynch attempt) following up to paranoia I had for Shoshin.]

^
Nauci recommended that I explain all my behaviour that people find scummy - instead of me just saying

'it's NAI, both town and scum could put a player to L-1 by accident'

.

[Keyser Söze]

Yeah the pressure I wanted on her lasted 10 seconds... then the hard-town meta defences came thundering down on me and I lost passion for that avenue pretty quick.

At least I came away with some light association analysis via Irrelephant11-Shoshin.

[Keyser Söze]

Are you getting

not-scum-partner vibes

from FLUFFY's and xwing's cross examination with eachother? - legit/earnest search for meaning and mutual understanding...

xwing affectionately called FWS a "funny-weird guy"...

[Keyser Söze]

If Krazy town clears himself today, my PoE is looking pretty small

[Keyser Söze]

My suspicions surrounding

teacher

are based on:
- struggling to see teacher's posts coming from town mindset (manufactured posting?)
- I don't believe their posts (tone?)
- something pinging me about their null/nullish reads on Carmen/Irrellephant: is he holding back what he truly thinks of them? Or are the reads fake?

THAT SAID, taking a step back, his tiers of reads aren't actually that bad (except for me as bottom scum).

Is he finding it hard to articulate clearly his suspicions into pronounced/clear thoughts? What I perceive as hedging/suspicious associations could be simply teacher stuggling to sort the playerlist.

OK, writing this post, teacher has gone from a scum read to a

null scum read

. Well will you look at that!

[Keyser Söze]

Carmen suspicions:
- bit too easy to t/read FLUFFYWS
- Not quite gauging/seeing their reason to s/read Irrelephant11 (my paranoia on Irrelephant11 actually is only based on Carmen/teacher posts - confirm bias, yes I know. Irrellephant in isolation has just been more quiet/less open than usual).
- Carmen’s ‘bottom half of playerlist are all town’ post smells like possible TMI. I’d preferred to see Carmen explain why player a, b and c are town for reasons x, y and z.

Basically, Carmen is coming to reads I don’t think are natural for a townie. I think those are enough reasons for me to be scared.

[Keyser Söze]

Here but nothing new/exciting to share - at a standstill with my reads.
I kind of want Krazy/Carmen/hell even Shoshin to drive forward some conversation.

[Keyser Söze]

If you have played with teacher before, how does town-teacher go about forming his reads... are they slow developing... weak.. strong stances? (I.e insta-locktowning someone)... hedging around null..?

[Keyser Söze]

Do you believe FLUFFY’s strong reaction to Shoshin’s early “defensiveness” is rational/natural/alignment indicative?

[Keyser Söze]

Do you believe xwing’s reads are authentic and their observation of your behaviour/meta understandable?

[Keyser Söze]

SHEEP SMACKDOWN

[Keyser Söze]

What have been the most emphatic reads of the game so far?


Irrellephants town read of Soshin...

Carmen’s town read of FWS...

Shoshin’s town read of the worst...


Missing any to complete a top 5?

[Keyser Söze]

Do you believe FLUFFY’s strong reaction to Shoshin’s early “defensiveness” is rational/natural/alignment indicative?

I kinda plucked this for scum indicative. I think he identified her as LHF and tried to chomp down on it--realiasd the mislynch equity was low and UNVOTED

his earlier posting is consistent with heavy pressuring of Shoshin while generally ignoring other slots and the fact he

UN!!!VOTED!!!!!!

during a time when the rest of us were flirting between heavily pressuring other slots

he has more of an active conversing style rather than the MafiaScum.net passive conversing style which is vogue atm making me think he's probably got off-site experience in a community with pretty decent vibes

I think this is an active conversing wolf approach to town!shoshin sod1 more than it's t/t and I think it soft-spews town!Shoshin if Floofz flips red

Ooooooh tasty narrative.

@FLUFFYWS, this looks good doesn’t it

[Keyser Söze]

Just noticed Irrelephant is joint lead wagon with two votes....

Shall we heat up the Teacher/Carmen wagons... Or you two feed me more delicious ammo on Fluffy?

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Carmen

[Keyser Söze]

Compare Krazy’s 8 post ISO vs xwing’s 8 post ISO. Mano a Mano. WHO WINS YOU DECIDE.
Who is searching for THE TRUTH?
@the worst - I need to witness this “certified bloody good” from Krazy within the next 24 hours or I’ll be forced to do something...

[Keyser Söze]

I am very pleased xwing is looking at Shoshin.

[Keyser Söze]

Just so I have this on record:.

the worst... core town through word and deed.

While Soshin.... core town through meta?

[Keyser Söze]

I’d just prefer to see her earn town status through words and deeds before I bow down to her.

If her scum meta really that black and white?



Looks like this game has been solved

[Keyser Söze]

Random question stage:

What are your all-time top 5 favourite horror films?

[Keyser Söze]

We’re both Sheep-aligned.

[Keyser Söze]

Despite all the juicy cases on him... he’d probably be my third choice option to vote.

[Keyser Söze]

Even ignoring meta, nobody should scumread me at this point. I'm a very towny townie.

You don’t get to say this...
You haven’t opened up your soul like xwing has.

You haven’t bled proactive scum hunter supreme like the worst has.



Talk about why players are scum and not why you are town

[Keyser Söze]

To get me on Fluffy explain why both Carmen and Teacher are so definitively town.

[Keyser Söze]

If TWS is town, is Carmen still town?

And why is Teacher town?

[Keyser Söze]

What's Carmen at? I don't want any accidental hammer but I'm willing to join a wagon.

Too late mate, looks like I’m joining your wagon now.

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Fluffy White Sheep

[Keyser Söze]

Was Krazy scum by PoE, or do you have a case there too?

[Keyser Söze]

Don't you dare pick on xwing

[Keyser Söze]

Was Krazy scum by PoE, or do you have a case there too?

@Shoshin?

[Keyser Söze]

Scum is Krazy

@Shoshin?

[Keyser Söze]

There were votes on Carmen but now the momentum is on FLUFFY.

Are you saying FLUFFY is a misslynch and Carmen is scum?

If so, post why Carmen is scum before you disappear for another 48 hours.

Do you know what this looks like Krazy?

[Keyser Söze]

VOTE: Carmen

This was your whole case on Carmen... a blind vote.
Tell me why I shouldn’t think you’re partners if Carmen flips mafia?
Tell me why I shouldn’t think your last post was a wolfy pop in?

[Keyser Söze]

I didn't realise it was Halloween, my sincere apologies. See you Saturday.

[Keyser Söze]

Do you think FLUFFY is a valid/bad wagon?

[Keyser Söze]

Train to Busan
Evil Dead (the original!)
The Conjuring
Probably Scream if that counts
The Descent
Tentatively A Quiet Place should be on this list tbh

Can't believe I haven't seen Train to Busan yet!
Evil Dead would make my Top 10, love it to pieces even more than #2.
Scream is a one of a kind movie, post-mod classic.
Great fan of the Conjuring series, better story telling then most modern horror films.
Wow, you loved A Quiet Place that much? Hereditary was my film of 2018.


My top 5

Let the Right One In
The Thing (Sci-fi horror... I should include Alien here then )
The Omen
The Shining
The Exorcist

... plus 5 honourable mentions
Evil Dead
Videodrome
The Fly
The Exorcist III
Don't Look Now

[Keyser Söze]

Irrelephant-The Worst-Soshin scum team theory

ruled out

[Keyser Söze]

Carmen says “hi”

[Keyser Söze]

I don’t think Fluffy will get any further with Shoshin’s “because I’m town” defence.
Perhaps he should direct his energies somewhere else?

[Keyser Söze]

Carmen says “suits me, I want as little interactions with that slot as possible”. Carmen adds they want to strengthen their position on Fluffy with a further analysis of that slot. Carmen also loves Halloween nearly as much as Krazy.

[Keyser Söze]

What do you think of Shoshin’s world view that both Carmen and teacher are town?

[Keyser Söze]

Hi Krazy I’m sorry about yesterday (me not understanding everyone’s real life commitments) - I was only hoping I could sort you / you help sort the playerlist (my frustration came out as douchebagginess/inconsideration) If you’re town, I think it makes the game even easier.

[Keyser Söze]

I WILL NOT STOP
ALSO
SHOSHIN PLEASE KEEP YOUR WIKI PAGE UP TO DATE

Hi FWSheep
Do you think this post gives town-Carmen rational reason to town read you?

Even willing to put “money on” the town tell they believe is true?

[Keyser Söze]

Interested to hear from Shoshin why xwing isn’t town.

My personal read on xwing went something like the following:

Paranoia
Eyebrow suspicion
Acceptance
Swayed
Satisfied
Happy
Town lean

[Keyser Söze]

Hi Krazy, one more question to answer when you return:

You say you didn't like Carmen's interactions with Soshin during early D1:

Her push on Shoshin was shitty in RVS and then she tried to backpedal.

How do you feel about MY interactions with Soshin, and FLUFFY's early interactions with Soshin - do we come out better with our pushes than Carmen?

What makes Carmen's push 'bad', and our pushes 'good'?

[Keyser Söze]

If FWS is town, Carmen is locktown.

Have you ruled out Carmen TMI'ing on FWS?

I.e scum-Carmen who

knows

FWS is town, so posts a weird reasons to

locktown

on him?

[Keyser Söze]

I don’t like my vote on FWS anymore


VOTE: Carmen

@Irrelephant - start posting bro, I think you’re partners!

[Keyser Söze]

You already are... and they're voting you

[Keyser Söze]

@schadd

- prod that mofo

[Keyser Söze]

After a long (30 seconds) of consideration I have decided to use normal case.

Change of case
Change of face

Who is that stranger staring in the mirror?

Post two four nine.

Change of case
Change of face

Was he taking off his mask, or putting one on?

[Keyser Söze]

Xwing is town. Also liking Sheep for town, although he's doing his best to make me want to lynch him.

VOTE: Irrelephant

This one was more dramatic Carmen.

[Keyser Söze]

Why has Carmen narrowed down to Irrelephant-Keyser...

@Irrelephant - are we both ‘devoid of town’ or even devoid of scum?

[Keyser Söze]

I thought you had some town tingle in your bones for teacher?

While mine and Irelephants ISO’s has not one inkling of town?

[Keyser Söze]

You’re adding fuel to my Carmen-Irrelephant narrative I’ve been massaging all day.

Are you an upset townie?

If so, take a break.

[Keyser Söze]

Carmen, you should probably claim at this point. We've got the votes to lynch you.

UNVOTE:
We’ve only just started.

[Keyser Söze]

You’re adding fuel to my Carmen-Irrelephant narrative I’ve been massaging all day.

Are you an upset townie?

If so, take a break.

If you think we're both scum I'd be happy to vote him with you.

That’s what he said too :/

[Keyser Söze]

Can we play some music in here. Things getting too emotional.
Let’s calm down and talk.

[Keyser Söze]

I was also baiting the Carmen-Irrelephant scum team theory.

Spoiler:

Nope, my read on Irrelephant just sucks

55% of my bad feels are shamefully based on his activity.
The other 45% on associations via players I’m not t/reading

[Keyser Söze]

From the last couple pages I can now finally buy a ticket to the Shoshin town show too.


@scum - you missed the chance to feed my early suspicion.

[Keyser Söze]

Carmen/teacher have any anti associative moments?

Teacher on Carmen: “

Carmen -- A similar read to Keyser. There is more I like here, such as the early interactions with Shoshin in 46 and 53. I am seeing some effort to sort, but am not sure I buy the sorting that results -- the townread on Sheep from asking for a Wiki, and the scumread on elephant both seem pretty empty. I certainly dont think you can call Elephant's ISO totally devoid of content, and am not sure I buy that Sheep actually wanted to metadive. pure null.

”

Teacher also picked up on the ‘emptiness’ of Carmen’s town and scum reads... this is good reading looking back. “Pure null” feels wrong though. Were Carmen’s interactions with Shoshin that town-indicative to balance the suspicious reads? Nothing shouts PARTNERS from this post though (I think).

Not many Carmen-Teacher interactions. I wanted Carmen to actually talk to Krazy in real time this weekend, but maybe we also need to see Carmen and teacher to talk in real time too (two slots I feel we’ve been thinking: which one of the two are scum..? ...instead of both)

[Keyser Söze]

Quick Kray thoughts:

- consistent focus/infatuation with meta analysis (appears their strength, so obviously reliance on it is expected, instead of hiding behind it).
- In no rush to ‘do their thing’ (didn’t feel pressured/self conscious enough to produce content early for the sake of it.)
- Demonstrates no qualms putting two strong/vocal/active players in null (for paranoia/meta reasons)
- I like Kray’s references to how each player sees themselves versus how Kray sees them/the situation
- Even though there is a lot of null in their reads tiers, Kray is not afraid to include frequent reads as definitive as ‘I see this way more often from town’ / ‘town for me’. These observations make me feel better. More of these please (makes you less hedgy, and more direct).

Enough to move Kray out of null.

[Keyser Söze]

[Keyser Söze]

Do you believe FLUFFY’s strong reaction to Shoshin’s early “defensiveness” is rational/natural/alignment indicative?

I kinda plucked this for scum indicative. I think he identified her as LHF and tried to chomp down on it--realiasd the mislynch equity was low and UNVOTED

his earlier posting is consistent with heavy pressuring of Shoshin while generally ignoring other slots and the fact he

UN!!!VOTED!!!!!!

during a time when the rest of us were flirting between heavily pressuring other slots

he has more of an active conversing style rather than the MafiaScum.net passive conversing style which is vogue atm making me think he's probably got off-site experience in a community with pretty decent vibes

I think this is an active conversing wolf approach to town!shoshin sod1 more than it's t/t and I think it soft-spews town!Shoshin if Floofz flips red

@FLUFFY - do you think this is reachy or sheep-worthy?

[Keyser Söze]

Congrats mafia!

Your tone and efficient posting had you well hidden.