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[Ruby Red]

SUP

tbh i wanted to replace in earlier because penguin and egix both looked locktown based off a newbie game we all just finished but lolwagons beat me to it

[Ruby Red]

oh sick a wolfy pop in right as i'm looking at the thread

convenient
VOTE: springtrap

[Ruby Red]

malakitty probwolf

[Ruby Red]

zzz someone come talk to me

springtrap where did you disappear to

[Ruby Red]

sad sheep are you actually doing like a gimmick or what

[Ruby Red]

just finished a newbie game with him where he was town and got lynched

looks pretty similar and during that game i looked back at a previous scumgame of his for comparison

[Ruby Red]

who are you voting and why isn't it springtrap or malakitty

[Ruby Red]

zzz someone come talk to me

Hewwo
Why do you think Mala is probwolf?

just because someone's lurking doesn't mean you ignore their contributions when they actually are here

and mala's posts when she does post are really bad

early on they're alright, but these are pretty fucking wolfy, especially in context:

Hm

setup speculation on page7 is a new one

Never seen that before

[Ruby Red]

Where are you getting spring scum?

mainly this wolfy pop in:

Trivium gave a reason to townread me, but Profii only put "post more". I should and hopefully will, but if that is a warranted complaint, why am I number 3 on your list?

Or is it someone else entirely? Which I guess it is since I saw you looked at the front playerlist and went in regular player order.

Wouldn't it have been better to group your townreads and scumreads together? Because now I can't tell if "post more" means you think I'm town, null, or scummy.

he's also been sitting on the same vote since his first post and doesn't seem to actually have ANY real scumreads, from a look through his ISO

egix can tell you that what i just described is pretty reliably scum indicative

[Ruby Red]

And malakitty is lucky as hell. That slot will replace out with someone hopefully more active.

a replacement doesn't change the slot's alignment

[Ruby Red]

i mean you can call it a policy lynch if you want but i think it's just a scum lynch lmao

VOTE: malakitty

[Ruby Red]

all these dog avis wanting to kill the kitty

[Ruby Red]

we're not lynching to gain "information", we're lynching to lynch scum

[Ruby Red]

I’m not seriously proposing a PL on Mala

Egix was giving me a weird vibe that he just does not want mala lynched so I was testing that out

There are better lynches

okay this makes me feel better

while i was away from the thread i realized that you proposing a policy lynch like that rather than just an actual lynch was actually some massive TMI

i was really prepared to come back swinging

[Ruby Red]

Ruby Red has replaced PenguinPower.

sigh. the person I joined this game for has replaced out

yeah i wanted to replace in earlier for him too tbh

[Ruby Red]

how am i doing a gimmick

[Ruby Red]

wtf sheep stop ignoring me how am i a gimmick

[Ruby Red]

meh

VOTE: SPRINGTRAP

[Ruby Red]

wagons what do you think of spring

[Ruby Red]

well you get me instead

just as good, right?

r-right?

[Ruby Red]

how much have you read?

[Ruby Red]

alright idk if someone told you about what i said in scumchat or something but you're towning it up a lot more than before

could you take a look at spring's slot and let me know what you think? i think there's decent odd's he's wolf here

[Ruby Red]

You walked into this game going for me, which is weird, but everyone gets an opinion. I guess i can ask you who'd be my partners if I did flip scum, Ruby.

Or are You only saying I'm scum and not looking elsewhere?

i didn't come in already scumreading you, just noticed in soon after. i only replaced in with townreads. that being said, i have replaced into games before and had lock scumreads that were scum.

anyways it kind of goes without saying but this post is pretty wolfy

[Ruby Red]

i wasn't joking about talking in scumchat

i was saying that someone, in scumchat, might have told malakittens about what i was saying (in the main thread) and so that could've caused a change in her play

but i don't think that's likely, she's towny

[Ruby Red]

just awkward wording

[Ruby Red]

doughboy what's your case on profii?

[Ruby Red]

Threadly reminder that all scum are going to claim a PR at L-1

I'm not really impressed by either of the claims we've gotten and I'm not surprised that both of the players in my scum pool claimed PR

this

[Ruby Red]

imo one of these claims has to be fake and tbh i'm inclined to say its the vig claim more than the jk claim

vig claim gets left alive because it theoretically confirms itself as town but it's pretty easy to just say that you got roleblocked or some shit

people will lynch a JK claim regardless

[Ruby Red]

like i'm willing to lynch outside of the claims just to get rid of people we need to get rid of

but imo there's a wolf 100% of the time in that group

[Ruby Red]

i'll be around for a while

i think this is highest wolf equity and my preferred lynch

VOTE: DDL

[Ruby Red]

bef is hard lynchbait as town and has gotten lynched like literally every single day one i've seen him in and has also posted like literally double the amount that i think he has ever posted as scum

[Ruby Red]

like idk dude

i really believe that DDL lasts at least like 2 or 3 more days if scum if i don't push for his lynch right here and i value that a lot more than lynching the same lynchbait again and again

[Ruby Red]

profii vote DDL with me

BEF is wolfy as sin but that's not a unique trait to him as wolf

DDL scumflip completely fucking locks the game down imo

[Ruby Red]

you're assuming that DDL is telling the truth

[Ruby Red]

you're also putting too much weight into recent events and into yourself

you were getting wagoned earlier in the game

[Ruby Red]

Or if they are pushing me because I’m wrong a a compromise lynch/policy would be better because that would make BEF lynch bait as you say

elaborate?

[Ruby Red]

I mean I’m pushing BEF so if I’m wrong then he’s probably town

yeah...? what?

obviously if you're wrong on someone you're pushing as scum then they're town.

you're also putting too much weight into recent events and into yourself

you were getting wagoned earlier in the game

Idk there were some people who took exception to me but I didn’t think it ever got to a serious point - there was always a contingent Of people tr’ing me

what's your point?

[Ruby Red]

profii that assumption that you just made is the exact reason why DDL needs to die today

[Ruby Red]

do you want to lynch outside of those two? who are you thinking?

i'd vote springtrap with you

[Ruby Red]

with the HEAVY condition that everyone has to remember my posts if i die N1

[Ruby Red]

don't think mala is wolf

[Ruby Red]

The JK will never be verifiable. We can verify the vig. If BEF is the mafia jailkeeper like I think he might be now, we have the potential to shoot a lurker or someone who might look scummy if BEF flips. And with the JK out of the way, we would probably hit the target. I know we can WIFOM about the claims and what scum is more likely to claim, but at the end of the day we have a chance to verify with the Vig still alive, assuming they arent the nightkill.

this is circular logic

[Ruby Red]

essentially two of your points are "BEF is scummy" and like... yeah. but like that's not exclusive to him as scum from pretty much every single game that i've seen him in.

as for wagon speeds i just dont think its all that meaningful

[Ruby Red]

idk man

i like strongly believe that a DDL scumlynch locks this game down and if it doesn't happen today then i don't see it happening for at least another few days (during which there is a serious chance i die)

if i'm going to get N1-ed or N2-ed then i would want this to be what i got through before my death

[Ruby Red]

BEF is LHF that can get lynched any day and i want this to go through today

[Ruby Red]

also maf JK like never claims JK so if BEF is wolf i would put it at serious odds that he's not actually a jailkeeper

(not even mentioning the fact that a mafia jailkeeper is serious fucking scum power in terms of how the NRG balances games)

[Ruby Red]

essentially two of your points are "BEF is scummy" and like... yeah. but like that's not exclusive to him as scum from pretty much every single game that i've seen him in.

as for wagon speeds i just dont think its all that meaningful

Did you just read the bold? I thought I did pretty good at explaining why I thought he was scummy. Please don’t reduce that analysis to me just making unfounded statements.

i'm not trying to reduce your statements and i didn't say that they're unfounded. all i'm saying is that we just fundamentally disagree when it comes to the connection of BEF being wolfy equalling BEF being wolf

like, to be clear – i don't disagree with your case that his play is wolfy. i just try to pride myself on not falling prey to lynchbait, and i think i have a pretty good history when it comes to that

[Ruby Red]

BEF is LHF that can get lynched any day and i want this to go through today

Well we are at a stand-off then, because although I’d vote Doolittle I’m not giving in on BEF. I’m pretty confident on this read. Just because he’s mislynch bait doesn’t mean he’s immune from actually getting a Mafia role PM.

wait what do you mean

if you'd vote DDL then we can do this today and go based off of the flip, yeah?

[Ruby Red]

I have to pick your brain: how do you try to separate lynchbait from actual scum then?

there's a lot to it

basically the first thing you need to do is realize that someone who's being wagoned

is

lynchbait in the first place: there are some players with obvious scum/town differences that basically only get lynched as scum and there are some players who basically get lynched nearly every game that they're in. if you're dealing with one of the second players that's when you need to start looking further

second step is to try to mentally separate the idea of awkwardness and scumminess in your head. some people are just naturally awkward sounding, robotic sounding or just generally wolfy when they type. if it's there as town too you need to nullify it as a scumtell

from there i'd say one of the main things i look at is intent: i'll use malakitty this game as an example because i think she's a pretty good one. i initially scumread her for all three of these posts:

Hm

setup speculation on page7 is a new one

Never seen that before

Wait why did Penguin replace out

:/ I actually wanted to play with him

all three of these posts were individual times entering the thread and just kind of making a random comment before disappearing. for someone who doesn't have much time, that doesn't show intent to try to make the most of that time, it just kind of shows intent to prod dodge and just put something out there.

my read basically hard shifted after her later posts which IMO strongly show towny intent to actually make the best use of her time even if it doesn't seem like she has a lot. her acknowledging that she's skimming and that she has a lot to catch up on went a long way towards that changing

[Ruby Red]

bef claimed JK
ddl claimed vig

i think DDL is today's best lynch
wagons thinks its bef

[Ruby Red]

figured spring wouldn't vote with me tbh

[Ruby Red]

when exactly are you talking about

[Ruby Red]

because i was also gone for a bit

[Ruby Red]

in 72 hours that was also like my first post after getting back dude

are you actually looking through my iso at all? at the timestamps?

[Ruby Red]

dough just vote DDL before you leave

do me this favor

[Ruby Red]

trying my god damn hardest here