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Dayvig: Lowell.

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I "dayvigged" lowell because like for him, he was one of the only players I knew.

I could've just voted for him, but, y'know, it was the very first post of the game, so its not like it mattered too much.

Mokina, eldritch lord, and donkeyz all need to chill just a tad. No one's in any danger of being lynched. But eldritch: even

suggesting

no-lynch is anti-town at this stage of the game.

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Undayvig, vote snix.

In spite of having just told him to chill out, I approve of eldritch lord's product and/or service.

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Um, who can spot the blatant contradiction in that statement?

For the record, I doubt mokina and snix are the scum, snix is the noteworthy person for me.

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I agree with you about snix's buddying up to mokina, I think it unlikely to make them scumbuddies. It is more likely to make snix scum.

And yes, there is a difference between random votes and random lynches. One is fine, if a tad boring (although I started off by random dayvigging, so really, what do I know?), and the other is bad.

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Who we really need to be looking at right now is TSN. He comes on after some comedical dayvig and promptly tells you to chill down and then votes me anyway without so much as a lick of his own reasoning.

Me thinking eldritch lord needs to calm down a little has nothing to do with me potentially agreeing with him. . . and you conveniently left out the later posts in which I did provide my reasoning.

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I agree with mokina re: eldritch lord.

I would advise dcorbe to start providing some opinions on people.

I also feel like a prod of anyone who hasn't posted yet would be nice (I believe that's mike-zim and sideney)

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Sorry, sideney, my mistake. So what makes my vote on snix scummy?

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Mike, why would we no lynch?

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To note all I did was repost TSN's post 37.

Actually, what I said was I support this product

and/or

service, a key distinction which you left out.

But seriously:

I'm mildly worried about TSN and Lowell jumping to his side though, it looks mildly like, instead of actually reading the argument, they went "oh look words, I bet he's right."

Thank you for completely strawmanning the both of us. That's not winning you any points.

ZS is so angry. And if you think calling for a no lynch isn't a newbtell, you haven't played enough games. Not, of course, that they're necessarily town newbs, but its definitely not a scumtell. . . although it is, of course, a completely terrible idea.

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n00b or not, this isnt a newbie game where IC's are needed

That's pretty debatable in a game where we've had two calls for no lynch day 1.

Two possible reasons:

1. They are scum buddies.

2. Mokina truly believes Eldritch is a townie, and therefore wants to keep him alive. [/quote]

I'll throw out a third possibility: Mokina knows eldritch is a townie and is buddying up, which is exactly what I am accusing snix of.

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1. Finger of Suspicion. Not a vote, but suspicion.
2. Oh My God U Suck. It means voting for someone who votes for you, and usually isn't regarded as good.
3. Edit By Way of Post.

4. Simple. Consider that, as town, we have a certain amount of lynches in which to find the scum. The scum aren't going to kill each other for us, so if we no lynch and give up one of our lynches, we are reducing the number of chances we have to lynch scum.

Assuming we are no better than random (and I'd like to think we're not), our odds of lynching scum in the first two days are 2/12, then 2/10. If we no lynch, our odds are zero, then 2/11. You'll note that if we no lynch, our odds of lynching successfully tomorrow are actually worse.

Now, it might be advantageous to no-lynch if we still haven't lynched scum and are down to six, or if there's one scum left and we're down to four, but as there's a possibility of a doctor save, which would give us an extra lynch, we shouldn't be worrying at about that at the moment.

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ZS, seriously, chill out. Its irrelevant whether or not eldritch lord is a horrible person who kicks babies to the game, and making posts that primarily focus on how much you don't like him make it sound like that's why you're voting for him.

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See, except. . . that doesn't make any sense.

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ZS, when you say something like this:

There are other reasons. His /b/tard-ness just solidifies them.

That directly contradicts this:

I would never vote someone just because I did not like them.

But that's not even the point I'm trying to make. All your yelling in your posts detracts from whatever logical point you're making. I've read your posts, and all I see is "EL IZ SCUM SCUM SCUM." So calm down, and give us a rational argument. And when you complain about el not responding, I sympathize with el, because if it were directed at me, I wouldn't know what I was supposed to be responding to either.

Although I'm tired of snix pretending that I'm a mindless bandwagoner, and that he's already won the thread, I'm beginning to sour on his wagon.

Unvote, vote donkeyz.

You were last seen hopping on the snix wagon. How are you feeling about that?

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If ZS is scum he is the worst scum ever because he is drawing a TON of attention to himself, I just don't get any scum vibes from him, nervous townie? maybe. Nervous PR? Probably. Scum? Doubtful.

I agree. I don't think he's scum, I think his emotional, angry, style is detracting from his ability to be effectively protown.

And good luck pressuring lowell. Its been tried.

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Yeah, I kind of agree with el's read on dcorbe.

That is, assuming that your read is that dcorbe is willing to push forward darla's theory, while not supporting it with a vote. Also, any time people hide behind the "educational experience/information lynch," my scumdar beeps a little.

Unvote, vote dcorbe.

(this isnt a newbie game IC's arent here to help if you dive into a mini ya better now how to swim)

This is a little silly. . . taken to its logical conclusion, we ought to be lynching mike-zim right now. Clearly if players are new, we should treat them that way, because otherwise we'd just lynching new players.

Mod:

I also have a request, if you're willing. Another mod has been putting the current votecount at the front of the page, and its damn convenient. So if you'd be willing to do that, that would make you cool. That is all.

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If we're going to pressure lowell into participating, we have to be prepared to back that up with a lynch if necessary. I don't get the feeling that people are actually willing to do that, or that it would be a good idea.

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I think Lowell exerts this aura about him that screams "LYNCH ME, I DARE YA" and then turn up townie. I think he's more unhelpful than anything so I don't know if he is scum material.

Pretty much. I've seen him be town and play like this, and scum and play like this. Its just what he does.

for pressure sake, I will unvote if you get to a L-2.

Isn't the point of a pressure wagon defeated when you admit that you'll unvote? And doesn't that contradict this:

I am pretty damn sure EL is scum, I was weighing options, but none of tehm strong enough to cause me to unvote.

Which is

itself

a contradiction, because if you were damn sure EL is scum, you wouldn't be weighing options to unvote.

Donkey your case is weak, especially since my first post was responding to a joke and the Iron Man vote was random. Obviously you are quite new as well so I won't hold the crap logic against you.

And this defense is a serious strawman, and an ad hom, (ooh, debate terms!) that doesn't actually in any way engage donkey's argument. He didn't mention your joke or your iron man vote, and I don't care if he's new, it doesn't read like crap logic to me.

Unvote, vote darla.

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I don't see vote hopping as a serious tell, particularly day 1. EL hasn't been bandwagoning people, he's been at least attempting to lead charges.

Also, I'd like to point out that EL never actually voted no lynch, he just mentioned it. Which was silly, but I don't think there's much of a scum play in that.

But the "your fellow townies" slip, that actually might be something. I'm not ready to vote for that yet.

Darla's initial defense, well, wasn't really a defense, and I'm still not entirely happy with her wishy-washiness around her suspicion of EL. But she's clearly making an effort now to hunt, or is superbly pretending to, and I'm willing to reward that.

Unvote, vote sideney.

Still waiting on that content.

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I'm all for a pressure, prod, and replace wagon on sideney. Who's with me?

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Well, if he's not going to play. . . he needs replacing.

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Oh, I completely agree.

If sideney continues to post without content, she needs to be pressured into changing her behavior. If she stops posting altogether, she needs to be replaced. Being replaced, or having her actually start posting content, are both better solutions.

(But you can't pressure lurkers if you admit you aren't going to lynch them)

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Unvote, vote dcorbe.

Dcorbe is a much, much better lynch than either el or mokina.

Consider: Dcorbe puts el at L-1, saying "his last posts stink of scum."

A little bit later, he says this: "If you come up scummy, all of a sudden those pushing your wagon look extremely clean."

Fair enough.

But, a little bit later, he says this: "I hope you're right and he's scum because with this statement (at least in my mind) you've completely tied yourself to his fate. You seem to be pushing his wagon awfully hard. You're going to look EXTREMELY scummy if he turns up town."

He's already setting up his next mislynch! He jumped on the wagon with as little noise as possible, but then told the leader, "you'll look scummy if he comes up town."

'Fraid not, dcorbe. You'll look scummy if he comes up town, and since I think EL is almost definitely town, you look scummy now.

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Things I want:

I want sideney, mike-zim, lowell, and iron man to start participating.

And I want dcorbe dead.

That is all.

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Which of my actions are driving EL, exactly?

can you tel us why you want dcorbe dead so bad? Not that I am opposed but a little more explanation would be peachy.

Well, everything in 283, obviously. And dcorbe's "well, so be it, I'm going to be talked out of my position now" defense isn't doing anything for me.

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And what does that have to do with el?

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So, I'm scum simply because I don't think el is?

Neither does lowell, donkeyz, darla, or (apparently) dcorbe now. Or snix? Weird, I definitely thought snix was voting for him.

So why me specifically?

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Alright, whatever, I can't argue with gut feelings. I'm not scum, doubt el is.

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Oh, gut instinct. So conveniently explaining away "I don't know why I'm voting for this person."

Donkeyz: Which of Darla's bandwagons are scummy?

I don't really see the case on mokina.

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Just so you know, Gut instinct is where you have a feeling about something and go with it regardless of the evidence. Even if there was overwhelming evidence for one side you still take the other. So i think your understanding of gut instinct needs looking at.

But gut instinct is scummy. It hides the reasons that you're voting. Which posts of el make you feel like he's scum? Why do they make you feel he's scum?

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Can't agree with that; mostly because it's close to my own playstyle. I create a bunch of justification for a vote, act extremely convinced, and then quit pressuring them when they've said what's on their mind. EL appears to be doing the same thing.

That's why I am not voting for mokina or el, nor do I anticipate doing so in the near future. People are getting on them for moving around, but that's what you do day 1.

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Even that's not necessarily true, but lurking is bad for the town, so as a pro-town player, you shouldn't engage in it.

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Normally I'd say its time for EL to claim, but I don't think there's much utility in it in this particular claim. I'm still pretty sure he's town, though.

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I think he's town because nothing he's done makes me think he's scum. Darla's case is that he's been jumping around, which, as I've already said, I don't have a huge problem with on day 1. Not all of his scum selections have been bandwagons, either.

Mokina: The problem with a claim is is that we have no ability to evaluate its accuracy. A counterclaim is meaningless. There might be six cops, there might be none.

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A claim is a bad idea only if it hurts him. How does claiming right now hurt him? Short answer: it doesn't

Actually, it does. Or at least it hurts the town, which el is a part of.

Consider his three possible claiming options: Cop, Doc, vanilla townie.

No matter what the claim is, we can't tell if its true. There isn't going to be a counterclaim (well, there might be, but then we'd just have a fool). So our decision to lynch him can't be based on the claim. Which takes away all the benefits of claiming. The only way el isn't getting lynched is if he argues away from it on his own merits.

Considering that, a claim only hurts us. If he claims vanilla, scum know who not to kill, if he claims a power role, scum know who to kill.

Dcorbe picks up some more scum points for rolefishing.

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I think el is town because I'm not convinced by the arguments that el is scum, and the odds are in favor of him being town.

But regarding claiming, appropriate and pro-town are not the same. Make an argument that it is in the towns interest to have anyone claim in this setup day 1.

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I think he's town because nothing he's done makes me think he's scum. Darla's case is that he's been jumping around, which, as I've already said, I don't have a huge problem with on day 1. Not all of his scum selections have been bandwagons, either.

Please engage and respond prior to telling me I haven't said anything as to why EL is town. And more to the point, he hasn't said or done something to dispel the arguments,

the arguments are poor.

And yes, my playstyle is short posts. I don't like writing long posts, and I definitely don't like reading them.

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Unfortunately, Darla isn't the only person here who has picked up the El wagon and pushed it. You're trying to disarm me by pretending that you've said anything of substance so far.

You're trying to disarm me by pretending I haven't. But you're right, there are four others on that wagon: Iron man and mike-zim are followers, zombie lord is voting for him because he doesn't like him, and your case is mostly "he voted for me in a way I didn't like," which is, as el says, OMGUS.

PS: You seem to have dropped the claim issue? Still in favor?

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If he's a power role and he gets lynched we lose it anyways.

Indeed. So say he claims a power role. As town, what is our response to that, particularly day 1?

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I'm not abandoning the El wagon, the rest of the town is. You seem like an excellent lynch target because you A) lurk a lot and B) when you do post it's usually to agree with someone and jump on a wagon.

I really don't see that as true. Sideney was all by himself attacking me for a while. He has kind of been lurking, but he's been doing better since prodded.

Dcorbe has: Argued for claims which are anti-town.
Put el at L-1 while simultaneously trying to pass the blame for the wagon to others
Tried to lead a new wagon when the el one failed on sideney

Can we lynch him?

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O
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And if you're town, there is no reason to claim. Its simply not pro-town. At all.

There is no reason to claim townie in this game.

The only claim that arguably makes sense is for cops to claim later so that they can claim results. . . and we should probably lynch claimed cops anyway.

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On the other hand, dcorbe is a newbie. Newbies are prone to OMGUS suspicions, and they aren't exactly known for good reasoning with regard to roleclaims. If he's town, he might deem it suspicious behavior for anyone to doubt him. Foolishness should not be confused scumminess, so I'm is just reminding the town to tread carefully.

That said, foolishness is not an asset to the town and I am more comfortable lynching someone who might make bad decisions in the future. I'm not prepared to vote for him yet (nothing particularly stands out as scummy), but I have less objection to his lynch than that of one of the more analytical players.

I agree that its a newbie tell, but its not a newbie town tell, just a newbie tell, and he's already the scummiest player, plus he's just ensured that he's never going to be nked, and I don't really want him around at endgame, do you?

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Mokina: What you said sounds very nice, "I'd rather lynch scum then new-town," but maybe you missed the

if

he's town, with that claim, and the meltdown,

he will never be nightkilled.

He'll be around tomorrow. And the next day. And the next day. And, of course, there's still a good chance he's scum, because, y'know, his play fits the profile of new-scum just as well as it does new-town.

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I agree, let dcorbe speak, but we're limping to a 17-page day 1, and he really needs to be lynched. One note:

(if anyone had a PR I would lean here, but in all I am thinking town 60% town)

In an open game? Yeah, I don't have a PR. I just don't like long posts.

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Mokina: The town should have no doubts in a game where we have two scum to ten town? Good luck with that.

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Vote: iron man.

Iron man's contributions to day 1 were telling people to calm down, bandwagoning el, bandwagoning, and saying he was concerned about making a slip that would get him lynched.

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Its not just the lurking, its the lurking plus the bandwagoning plus the being concerned about making slips.

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I think el, mokina, and darla are probably all town. I think iron man is scum.

I'm seriously not getting how people are jumping me for "opprotunism"? I had a bit of a feeling that dcorbe was scum. So, I went out and threw a vote. An argument was being built, and I started a vote. At that point, dcorbe wasnt at L-1 or anything, so I'm not seeing any opprotunism here.

However, Mokina, hammering dcorbe just screams opprotunism. You start by saying that you arent going to hammer him and will wait for a few days for him to post a defence, then you hammer him a day later. This seems WAY more opprotunistic than what I did.

You also seemed to have a bit of a feeling el was scum back when el was the leading candidate. In fact, all the people who you seemed to have a bit of feeling for were leading wagons. That's a little unusual.

Then there's the deflection: 'OMG mokina is worse she hammered!' This is why I don't think mokina's hammer is particularly scummy: what's her motivation as scum? Why would she, as scum,

say

she was going to let dcorbe defend himself and then hammer? I can't really see that as some sort of master plan. So whether mokina is scum or town, it smells like a genuine slip to me.

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TSN: what makes you SO convinced neither Mokina or EL are scum? Yesterday you didn't even comment on the case I brought forth, only said you thought he was town, and voted someone else.

Am I SO convinced? Neither of them (or you) is high on my scumlist, and as there's only two scum, that makes them probably town. There isn't a "this is what makes them town" post, there's a lack of "this is what makes them scum" posts. In my opinion.

At least you three, and zombie, have been trying. Wouldn't surprise me one bit to find both scum in our five lurkertypes. Iron man's been the worst, that's why I'm going after him.

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I more or less agree with el. ZS gives me some bad vibes, but mostly I feel like the people who are doing the talking are town.

So more iron man votes, please!

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Iron Man, stop being concerned about what other people think about you and you'll do much better.

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First off, I don't know who people think analyses of every player help, but its not the town. Might as well give the scum a handwritten "who we should nightkill" list. Not that its scummy, because far too many people do it, but its not helpful.

I'm starting to sour on iron man a little bit myself. He doesn't sound desperate or OMGUSy, and that's a good sign. I'd still consider him a reasonable lynch, but I'm ready to move on.

Unvote, vote donkeyz.

Why do you think scum would be more likely to be active on a wagon?

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TSN, you are switching on and off a lot on votes. Jumping from one to the other? Why? Are you trying to merely put pressure is that why?

Well, every vote that's not a hammer is at least some degree pressure, but its also at least some degree of calling out scumminess. I could "merely" apply pressure by asking questions.

Donkey, if that were the case, wouldn't leaders of wagons be constant targets?

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Darla, you just waffled about almost every player in the game. That post got my scumdar beeping.

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TSN/DBE: It seems like you guys are mentioning each other but never really get into a case against the other; I'd like to hear your opinions of each other because I've read games where the scum act like this.

Darla's last "I think everyone in the game is scummy maybe" post wasn't very good. She's probably in my middle tier. I'd prefer a donkeyz lynch, that guy worries way too much about what other people think.

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TSN, I'm not getting how you think that donkey is aggresive? Donkey has, so far, been level and fairly inconspicious. Now, if you were going to try to puh a lynch based purely on aggression, did you miss the D1 EL/ZS arguement? Were you taking a nap or something? That argument was probably the most aggressive event this entire game. Granted, I dont really think ZS is scum, I just think that you are kinda throwing at the wrong catcher on this.

This post thoroughly bewilders me. I haven't said anything about donkeyz's aggression level. Were you taking a nap when you read my posts?

Now, what I

did

say was that donkeyz worries too much about what people think, which can be seen in such posts as:

Well considering how everyone is switching to Darla, wouldn't that make it seem like I am joining the bandwagon?

So what if people

did

think you were joining it? You support it already, don't you? Why is it more important that people not think you're joining bandwagons rather than hunt the person you nominally think is scum.

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For the first time ever I think TSN is town.

Ironically, I have never been scum in a game with you.

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I whole heartedly say that meta is never good. Make your decisions based on how the person plays in that game. Not how they play in others. Every game should be considered a completely separate entity from every other game, because, for all intents and purposes, it is.

I always need to say that whenever meta comes up.

Dun use it people. Seriously.

I disagree with everything in this post.

Anyway, donkeyz's trying to fuel the darla bandwagon is noted, and my vote will stay on him.

Oh wow, missed this. Claim stalling from EL on D1.

Lynch him please.

Considering the nature of the setup, there was no benefit in having anyone claim day 1. There's some benefit now in, say, a cop claiming investigation results. . . what we might want to do is have every player, prior to lynch, say "if I was cop/doc, this is who I investigated/protected."

But there's no reason for scum not to lie about being a powerrole, so that sort of makes pro-town powerroles claiming bad.

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Note: Regarding hypo claims, I'm talking about as a L-1 claim, not as something everyone should do.

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I don't think there's much scummy in armlx explaining darla's post, it was pretty obvious what she meant. Not that I agree with her, but, y'know.

More donkey votes please.

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@TSN
You know, you seem to be hopping quite a lot lately. Just a little while ago, you were pushing heavily for my lynch based almost soley on lurking. Now you're pushing donkey. Granted, I would say that scum would try to get a more active or influential player lnched, but seeing as it'll be hard to get that ball rolling, it looks like you're pushing a quick lynch on an easy player.

Please read

any game I've ever been in ever.

Donkeyz: Early in the game you were a pretty blatant bandwagoner, and very. . . self-aware of it. Both your mokina and your snix votes were followed by describing exactly what L-x you were putting them out. Later, you wagoned dcorbe.

But today:

Well considering how everyone is switching to Darla, wouldn't that make it seem like I am joining the bandwagon?

Its sort of like you thought, "hmm, I bandwagoned a lot of people yesterday, I'd better cut that out.[/b] So you patently

refuse

to bandwagon people after yesterday bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning.

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That's true. I could be disguising my playstyle as scum to reflect my playstyle as town, but lynching me for my playstyle would still be the wrong play, no? I mean, if you concede that this is something that I do as town. . . then you concede that this is something I do as town.

In any case, please describe why my style of leading many bandwagons is more scummy than your style of following many bandwagons and get back to me.

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Is that second part directed to donkey?

No, no, at you.

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[quote="farside" TheSweatpantsNinja - Why did you agree with EL's post 36?

Because Snix was buddying up with mokina.

Post 116 how would mokina know EL to be town?

As I said in that post, mokina could be scum, or she could honestly think EL was townie as townie, (which is now the view I subscribe to.)

Where do you see snix pretending you are mindless BW?

I honestly don't recall, and as he's dead, don't particularly want to hunt through the thread. . . could you point me to where I said that?

Post 353 I disagree with the non claim. People are asking now about that lack of claim. It is not role fishing when most people ask for a claim in almost every game when someone is at L-1. Post 406 am I reading that you would lynch a claimed cop? Why? [/quote]

Look at the setup. We could have no cops, or we could have ten. If we don't establish that we aren't going to pay attention to powerrole claims, scum have no reason not to claim them. At this point, I like the "before lynch, claim your cop results if you have them," but that needs to be in a situation where we've already decided to lynch.

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TheSweatpantsNinja - Post 529 where do you see DBE waffling between many players. I see her narrow minded on a scum pair but I don't see a big case on it. Post 547 I think you are confused by Donkey and Iron Man.

She listed three or four players, said all of them might be scum, then listed her top two suspects, but said, 'well, maybe I'm wrong about them too.' So, waffling. And no, I preferred a donkeyz lynch then and I prefer one now, although iron man is worthy second choice.

I concede your point to my bandwagoning during Day 1, but so far, you'll notice that I havent bandwagoned anyone during Day 2. Also, starting bandwagons isn't nessecarily scummy, just a little dangerous. When a situation hasnt been fully fleshed out and you're yelling "DONT THINK, JUST LYNCH!", townies get quick lynched when your mentallity is supported. And everyone knows that a quick lynch is scummy.

I called for more donkeyz votes, which is not the same as calling for his immediate lynch. Nice strawman. . . anyway, you're right, you haven't bandwagoned anyone today, sort of like you're afraid to get called out. This post is close to making me want to go back to voting for you.

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I seriously want donkey dead.

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Speculation on this isn't worth it right now. Accidental doc reveals and what not.

This. Regarding farside, I won't trust her cop claim one bit, but I wasn't going to vote her anyway.

Vote iron man.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

More the previous thing. Don't really suspect farside, and farside's cleared donkeyz, so you become my next best target, although a reread may change that (which I don't have time for right now).

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Darla. . . there is no scenario in which either me or donkey could possibly be scum. And nice strawman, in any case. "Lurkers were

sure

to be among the scum."

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Lowell would be my second choice, but I'd prefer iron man. . . I'd be reasonably happy with either. Neither of them had much interaction with EL on a reread, which is points against them. Of course, neither of them have had much interaction with most people.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Eh, if farside is the last scum, all she can do is keep confirming people for us.

I know this contradicts what I said before, but the circumstances are different with only one scum left.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Lowell's reaction about potentially being investigated doesn't make me feel any better about him.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Wait, what are you talking about? Who investigated me?

Well, your "how could anyone think I'm scum" bit seemed a tad defensive, like you really didn't want to be investigated.

My personal list would go:
Iron Man
Lowell
Armlx
ZS
Sideney
Darla

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

The more I think about it, the more ZS and eldritch lord's fighting day 1 feels like distancing. And if you take that out, is there any reason to think that ZS isn't scum?

Unvote, vote zombieslayer.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

I still think ZS is better, but, yeah, regarding sideney, what would a replacement say?

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

So, yuuo're accusing me based on what someone else did?

Uh, yeah. That's how replacing works.

Vote KoC

.

I'm pretty sure its not Darla. I'm inclined to go with KoC over armlx, but armlx should definitely be the deadline lynch of choice.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Donkey, if you've got something to say, now might be the time to say it.

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Yeah, actually, I didn't really believe farside either. Oh well. So its either knight or darla, and its probably knight.