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This is exactly what scum would doIn post 44, Dannflor wrote:Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to.-
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YesIn post 47, Dannflor wrote:I mean scum doesn't "scumread" someone based on something that happened in a previous game and then double check that to compare. It's too elaborate to fake. Yea, you can argue WIFOM or whatever but there's a far greater likelihood that line of thought comes from town.
Yes they do
Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight-
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What about the rest of their play?In post 57, rosterfoster wrote:
I mean it's not that hard. I have only played one game.In post 47, Dannflor wrote:It's too elaborate to fake
I'm not liking this hardcore defence of me. Feels a bit like trying way too hard to find townieness from what I said. As if heknowsI'm town.
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Yeah, that's what I was getting at. It felt less contrived than the town read on youIn post 67, rosterfoster wrote:
I mean there isn’t any? This naked vote thing kind of took over the game.In post 65, Flubbernugget wrote:What about the rest of their play?-
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So do I. Sometimes that's how the game pans out. Especially early game.In post 69, BuJaber wrote:
Why? You have too many townreads so soon into the game.In post 55, Dannflor wrote:Junko is probably town too but I still want to hear why she thinks naked voting is scummy.-
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What exactly are you scim reading gamma for?
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Why would they be?In post 110, Persivul wrote:In post 45, Flubbernugget wrote:Haschels tryharding reads town
Aren't these two posts completely contradictory?In post 46, Flubbernugget wrote:
This is exactly what scum would doIn post 44, Dannflor wrote:Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to.-
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I didn't miss it. It was a contrived point and hard to figure out what you were getting at.In post 161, Persivul wrote:
If you're referring to 97, how did you miss 100?In post 153, Flubbernugget wrote:And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?
In a similar vein then, you should have a good set of town reads to go off of?-
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Funny enough, I would have asked you the same thing.In post 169, Persivul wrote:
WTF? How do you come up with that question from what you quoted?In post 162, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Why do you equate consistency with tryharding?In post 112, Persivul wrote:
But you read tryharding as town...In post 50, Flubbernugget wrote:Yes
Yes they do
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Persivul, I'm not weaving a bigger nest of your semantics, so I'm just going to say this.
Trying to keep a story straight and trying to push the game out of RVS are different. Very different. There's oceans of difference.
VOTE: Persivul
Your opening quip into the game is contrived. Your angleshooting on me be contradictory is contrived, and even if it wasn't, it's not scumhunting. It's playing ace attorney.-
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This is exactly how I made a bad push on xwing last time I played with themIn post 124, Persivul wrote:
I take no responsibility...In post 93, xwing wrote: i will agree
And reserve the right to change my mind later if that's convenient.for now..
I kinda sorta agree...i agree it seems like dann is *trying* to pocket,
But no, not really.but his later posts seems fine..-
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I'm mildly conflicted here too. Percy's vote wasn't the most suspect, but they still look like scum for other reasons.In post 198, xwing wrote:feel there's gotta be at least one scum on my wagon, though i dont think it's percy..-
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This is something I rarely, if ever, do.In post 241, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Are you pushing those naked votes for elaboration? If not, why not?
People naked vote, and pestering each vote with some sort of "y tho" isn't worth my time except in particularly bad cases (at which point I did say something)
The two people that I thought were prime candidates for scum in terms of naked voting haven't posted since I brought that up anyway, so this question is mostly noise for it's own sake.-
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Nah, that's what's there. You don't have to like it.In post 242, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Do, however, elaborate on your Persivul "look[ing] like scum for other reasons" since I'm not seeing 187 as particularly strong, especially considering what's going on with xwing and Gamma.
I don't scum read xwing. Gamma I will revisit.
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1) Not a fair analysis. That argument is used on Gamma a lot when scum need an easy lynch, because he's perpetually overgamed and makes a lot of mistakes as such.In post 280, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
My biggest issues are:In post 264, Flubbernugget wrote:Haschel, your biggest issues with gamma are
1) he got facts in the game wrong
2) his vote on percy is bad
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1) Deflecting arguments against her with "It's been a while since I've had that argument" which as you may note is not an actual answer.
2) Choosing not to comment on early game events
3) Voting for the towniest person on the xwing wagon and simultaneously saying that would make tchill town.
4) When pushed on why Persival of the three options, came up with reasoning that didn't make sense. When it was pointed out that Persival was first on the wagon, Gamma made up a justification that was not only ideologically shaky but also demonstrably false. That smacks of scum making a vote and finding reasoning for it later.
I am at a trade show for the next few days so be patient with me.
2) I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with this one, or how Gamma is different from other relatively inactive players.
3) I disagree that Percy is the towniest person on the xwing wagon, but fair on your point regarding tchill
4) I find this bizarre, but for different reasons, considering we both basically had the same case on Percy, but I still find it to be valid after refutation-
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I am not trying to defend gamma. I usually just ignore them because they're easy enough to sort later in the game, but as the center of attention I really have to figure out what's going on.In post 292, xwing wrote:i think flubbs hard defending gamma comes more from town!flubb..though i wish he let gamma defend herself before chiming in..-
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Obviously not voting youIn post 302, xwing wrote:among the wagons (xwing, gamma, tchill), who do you think deserves your vote, flubbz?
Not particularly town reading gamma but also not ready to vote there
So I guess that leaves tchill-
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UhhhhIn post 348, JunkoChan wrote:
looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?In post 346, Sashaddin wrote:
Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?In post 339, JunkoChan wrote:Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm
also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill
white knighting much?
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You just tried to hammer without a claim and are shading people for finding it suspiciousIn post 360, JunkoChan wrote:
are you mentally ill? of course I don't and I mean, he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him, like I said is common scum strategy and I used it in my last scum game.In post 355, Flubbernugget wrote:
UhhhhIn post 348, JunkoChan wrote:
looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?In post 346, Sashaddin wrote:
Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?In post 339, JunkoChan wrote:Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm
also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill
white knighting much?
Do youknowtchill to be town or something??
also if Bujader was rosterfoster "top scum read" he would be higher on his reads and he is not, why lie about it?-
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QftIn post 366, Dannflor wrote:If BuJaber is your top scum read why would you not try to persuade people to join you there?
There's a lot of ilk on this wagon rn-
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rooster was on the tchill wagon and doesnt make weird posts. The first time I played with bujaber I was scum and made a point to push them as a mislynch so I think that's why I've been apathetic towards them. But between the VT claim, the points other people have made to them, and the weird way they tried to shade my late D1, that is probabaly where my vote belongs.In post 475, xwing wrote:hence, im not too enthused about the above from flubbz..
why do you think sash is more scummy than roster/buj?-
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I still like sash for scum. Rooster idk. I also have a scum read on junko that I need to elaborate onIn post 478, xwing wrote:@flubbz: what do your reads look like now? what's your opinion on sash, roster and buj?-
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...you do realize thisIn post 514, xwing wrote:i think the buj wagon having no resistance at all is a red flag, so i want more time to discuss..can someone please unvote?isthe resistance to the wagon...right?-
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In post 556, Persivul wrote:Wagon more likely died just because there's a lot of time left in phase.In post 557, Persivul wrote:And it didn't die, it just faded a little.
I have a general frustration that if someone claims intent, and a VT claim doesn't get hammered, scum gain advantage. The purpose of intent is (or at least was) to make sure a PR doesn't get lynched. So if people see intent and don't unvote until after the claim, that's basically rolefishing, except it's hard to read that way because the whole concept has been bastardized in the first place.In post 558, Dannflor wrote:One person unvoted, I don't know how that qualifies as a wagon dying.
Is Gamma gonna play this game-
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Wait wait WAITIn post 658, Dannflor wrote:He isn't lying in his claim. I can confirm that.
But why does town have an informed role about town PRs?
However, does Goon + 1-shot Encryptor + Informed Goon make sense balance wise?
You FUCKING KNEW I was informed and still wanted me to claim first?
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I could imagine scum rolecopping nulls for nk options, but that's still stupidly town sided PR wiseIn post 663, rosterfoster wrote:I jailed flubber last night. Probably blocked scum making kill. Was hoping he'd claim an action so I'd be 100% but no luck.-
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How are you saying there are only 3 prs?In post 687, Dannflor wrote:There are only 3 town PRs
Roster: JK
Persivul: ???
Dannflor: 1-shot Vig Rolecop-
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You're saying that because the jk doesnt fit in with my info.In post 694, rosterfoster wrote:Although I think Flubber has basically given up now though.-
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