Mini Normal 2054: Winter's Sacrifice [Game Over]

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^^^ my thoughts exactly

VOTE: gamma

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Haschels tryharding reads town

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Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to.

This is exactly what scum would do

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Nppe

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I mean scum doesn't "scumread" someone based on something that happened in a previous game and then double check that to compare. It's too elaborate to fake. Yea, you can argue WIFOM or whatever but there's a far greater likelihood that line of thought comes from town.

Yes

Yes they do

Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight

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Idk which of roster and dann to vote

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VOTE: roster

Dann is probably just wrong

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It's too elaborate to fake

I mean it's not that hard. I have only played one game.

I'm not liking this hardcore defence of me. Feels a bit like trying way too hard to find townieness from what I said. As if he

knows

I'm town.

VOTE: Dannflor

What about the rest of their play?

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What about the rest of their play?

I mean there isn’t any? This naked vote thing kind of took over the game.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. It felt less contrived than the town read on you

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Junko is probably town too but I still want to hear why she thinks naked voting is scummy.

Why? You have too many townreads so soon into the game.

So do I. Sometimes that's how the game pans out. Especially early game.

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Alright, I'll bite.

Let's hear your read on Gamma.

What exactly are you scim reading gamma for?

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Haschels tryharding reads town

Scum doesn't go to this much effort to check their reads, nor do they want to.

This is exactly what scum would do

Aren't these two posts completely contradictory?

Why would they be?

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And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?

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Yeah last time I played with xwing I scum read them for being to passive and they greened

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And with a large percent of scum apparently giving themselves away nowadays, why haven't you found one yet?

If you're referring to 97, how did you miss 100?

I didn't miss it. It was a contrived point and hard to figure out what you were getting at.

In a similar vein then, you should have a good set of town reads to go off of?

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Yes

Yes they do

Scum has to work harder to keep their story straight

But you read tryharding as town...

Why do you equate consistency with tryharding?

WTF? How do you come up with that question from what you quoted?

Funny enough, I would have asked you the same thing.

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Fucking hell can we not

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Or at the very least tell us why you dont care anymore

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Persivul, I'm not weaving a bigger nest of your semantics, so I'm just going to say this.

Trying to keep a story straight and trying to push the game out of RVS are different. Very different. There's oceans of difference.

VOTE: Persivul

Your opening quip into the game is contrived. Your angleshooting on me be contradictory is contrived, and even if it wasn't, it's not scumhunting. It's playing ace attorney.

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i will agree

I take no responsibility...

for now..

And reserve the right to change my mind later if that's convenient.

i agree it seems like dann is *trying* to pocket,

I kinda sorta agree...

but his later posts seems fine..

But no, not really.

This is exactly how I made a bad push on xwing last time I played with them

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It's misguided at best

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The xwing wagon also piled on super fast and had two naked votes on it so that should be making you suspicious of its intentions

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Quoting across games is stupid painful on mobile. I'll have to cite my xwing stuff later.

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feel there's gotta be at least one scum on my wagon, though i dont think it's percy..

I'm mildly conflicted here too. Percy's vote wasn't the most suspect, but they still look like scum for other reasons.

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Going off of Dann's 210, rooster and tchill are good places to look for another scum

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Are you pushing those naked votes for elaboration? If not, why not?

This is something I rarely, if ever, do.

People naked vote, and pestering each vote with some sort of "y tho" isn't worth my time except in particularly bad cases (at which point I did say something)

The two people that I thought were prime candidates for scum in terms of naked voting haven't posted since I brought that up anyway, so this question is mostly noise for it's own sake.

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Do, however, elaborate on your Persivul "look[ing] like scum for other reasons" since I'm not seeing 187 as particularly strong, especially considering what's going on with xwing and Gamma.

Nah, that's what's there. You don't have to like it.

I don't scum read xwing. Gamma I will revisit.

I think I need to revisit sash too

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All ik is ppl don't want xwing lynched atm.

Tell me more about why

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Haschel, your biggest issues with gamma are

1) he got facts in the game wrong
2) his vote on percy is bad

??

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Haschel, your biggest issues with gamma are

1) he got facts in the game wrong
2) his vote on percy is bad

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My biggest issues are:
1) Deflecting arguments against her with "It's been a while since I've had that argument" which as you may note is not an actual answer.
2) Choosing not to comment on early game events
3) Voting for the towniest person on the xwing wagon and simultaneously saying that would make tchill town.
4) When pushed on why Persival of the three options, came up with reasoning that didn't make sense. When it was pointed out that Persival was first on the wagon, Gamma made up a justification that was not only ideologically shaky but also demonstrably false. That smacks of scum making a vote and finding reasoning for it later.

I am at a trade show for the next few days so be patient with me.

1) Not a fair analysis. That argument is used on Gamma a lot when scum need an easy lynch, because he's perpetually overgamed and makes a lot of mistakes as such.
2) I'm not sure what you're trying to get at with this one, or how Gamma is different from other relatively inactive players.
3) I disagree that Percy is the towniest person on the xwing wagon, but fair on your point regarding tchill
4) I find this bizarre, but for different reasons, considering we both basically had the same case on Percy, but I still find it to be valid after refutation

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i think flubbs hard defending gamma comes more from town!flubb..though i wish he let gamma defend herself before chiming in..

I am not trying to defend gamma. I usually just ignore them because they're easy enough to sort later in the game, but as the center of attention I really have to figure out what's going on.

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among the wagons (xwing, gamma, tchill), who do you think deserves your vote, flubbz?

Obviously not voting you

Not particularly town reading gamma but also not ready to vote there

So I guess that leaves tchill

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Fuck it

VOTE: tchill

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Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?

white knighting much?

Uhhhh

Do you

know

tchill to be town or something??

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I thought the same thing but idk how I feel about their follow up

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Why are you comming with this wagon right when Tchill is about to die makes me go mmhmmm

also, I'm okay with this VOTE: Tchill

Also, your hammer comes on a player you never ever mentioned once during this game yet. Sheeping for a hammer?

looking for a easy way to throw suspicion on me? I just think is a good lynch, I don't have to mention the guy to vote him or do I?

white knighting much?

Uhhhh

Do you

know

tchill to be town or something??

are you mentally ill? of course I don't and I mean, he could be white knighting tchill with that "attempt to L-1" and then 180 into Bujager who had literally 0 votes on him, like I said is common scum strategy and I used it in my last scum game.

also if Bujader was rosterfoster "top scum read" he would be higher on his reads and he is not, why lie about it?

You just tried to hammer without a claim and are shading people for finding it suspicious

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If BuJaber is your top scum read why would you not try to persuade people to join you there?

Qft

There's a lot of ilk on this wagon rn

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UNVOTE:

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intent to hammer

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Uh yeah between slaxx's read, the wagon dynamics, and whatever the hell 408 just was,

VOTE: sash

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Uhhh

You do realize I had all of two minutes to hammer after the claim right?

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I'm having issue with eye strain. I will try to address some of the more pertinent things by the end of today. Sorry for the delay.

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Easy first point is that declaring intent just to have a wagon die over a VT claim doesnt make sense

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hence, im not too enthused about the above from flubbz..
why do you think sash is more scummy than roster/buj?

rooster was on the tchill wagon and doesnt make weird posts. The first time I played with bujaber I was scum and made a point to push them as a mislynch so I think that's why I've been apathetic towards them. But between the VT claim, the points other people have made to them, and the weird way they tried to shade my late D1, that is probabaly where my vote belongs.

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@flubbz: what do your reads look like now? what's your opinion on sash, roster and buj?

I still like sash for scum. Rooster idk. I also have a scum read on junko that I need to elaborate on

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i think the buj wagon having no resistance at all is a red flag, so i want more time to discuss..can someone please unvote?

...you do realize this

is

the resistance to the wagon...right?

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Wagon more likely died just because there's a lot of time left in phase.

And it didn't die, it just faded a little.

One person unvoted, I don't know how that qualifies as a wagon dying.

Is Gamma gonna play this game

I have a general frustration that if someone claims intent, and a VT claim doesn't get hammered, scum gain advantage. The purpose of intent is (or at least was) to make sure a PR doesn't get lynched. So if people see intent and don't unvote until after the claim, that's basically rolefishing, except it's hard to read that way because the whole concept has been bastardized in the first place.

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VOTE: bujaber

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As per 562 I need to get to a computer so I can better cite posts.

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Well, no tell is 100%, so it makes sense (in theory) to look at it as a clue.

Any point can be picked apart as "bad" in a bubble. That's basically what you did with my sash read. Each point on it's own is a non-voteworthy, but it aggregates into an issue as a whole.

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I can catch fake claims

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I can catch fake claims

Huh?

Nervous?

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There are three of

Babysitter
Follower
Voyer
Rolecop
Vig

In the game.

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He isn't lying in his claim. I can confirm that.

But why does town have an informed role about town PRs?

However, does Goon + 1-shot Encryptor + Informed Goon make sense balance wise?

Wait wait WAIT

You FUCKING KNEW I was informed and still wanted me to claim first?

Are you FUCKING kidding me??????

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So we also have at least 4 town pr's against an encryptor?

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I jailed flubber last night. Probably blocked scum making kill. Was hoping he'd claim an action so I'd be 100% but no luck.

I could imagine scum rolecopping nulls for nk options, but that's still stupidly town sided PR wise

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There are only 3 town PRs

Roster: JK
Persivul: ???
Dannflor: 1-shot Vig Rolecop

How are you saying there are only 3 prs?

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If that's the case there's no room for a jk claim

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Although I think Flubber has basically given up now though.

You're saying that because the jk doesnt fit in with my info.

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Well congratulations I didnt say it dude

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There are only 3 town PRs

Like are you fucking kidding me

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VOTE: roosterfoster

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Also babysitters are protective roles

So

Who's the one really saying patently false shit?

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I have no clue what 706 has to do with anything

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Gg

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