Mini Normal 2060: World Architecture [Endgame]

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I’m busy for the next few days, I should probably VLA, but I just wanted to

VOTE: Persivul

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Already have some ideas of who is scum just from these two posts, few more posts should put the nail in the coffin after some more intense text analysis.

I’ll help you out.

Hardclaiming weak investigative.

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Prodge.

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I feel like one of the rebel troopers waiting outside the blast door in the beginning of A New Hope before the storm troopers break through and Vader appears.

I feel like you’re more like a storm trooper before they execute Order 66.

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I liked rouge one better than 7 & 8

Because everything in 7 and 8 has to end with a punchline, where Rogue One only had the one punchline to the gut

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FlippyNips is scum here, by the way. He has a curse of always rolling scum, and it looks like it’s continued here.

We can just lynch him Day 2, though.

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@leaf of flavor

Well you’re wrong. My curse doesn’t effect me here

Good enough for me.

Apex?

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I’m only voting Persivul because we just won a solid scum game together against a competent playerlist, and I wanted to be egocentric and talk about that before moving on.

Solid.

UNVOTE: Persivul

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Lucky I wasn’t around.

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I’ll catch up and get in this soon.

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Did you guys just hammer jibril already?

I got pocketed by her last time, so I’m not actually super mad.

However, I’m not busy today, so I’m upset I don’t get to make an appearance if that’s the case

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I don’t really think I was lurking either.

I was gone for like a day. I was busy. It’s 10:48 am here, just waking up after getting home late last night.

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Persivul isn’t being aggressively manipulative like he was in our last game.

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Seriously, what's the success rate on that ploy - like .0001% or something?

However, do you see scum that actually try that fake hammer ploy and it not be L-1?

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Also, Sad Sheep seems to know me as Morality. Interesting.

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Why is that interesting?

Because I not recognize Sheep, but they seem to recognize not only me, but the account I play the least on.

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Seriously, what's the success rate on that ploy - like .0001% or something?

However, do you see scum that actually try that fake hammer ploy and it not be L-1?

Not sure what you mean.

It was like what, L-3? That’s not really a scum play to fake hammer like that. I feel that comes from town not scum.

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I don’t remember playing with Slaxx there.

And Jibril replaced Rb who rage replaced out after he realized he probably would have gotten caught out by me, and Jibril pocketed me by just calling me master and sheeping me throughout.

So i can’t really read Jibril.

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It was just interesting that someone called me Morality.

Even on that account, people call me Boon or FL

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the only reason i can imagine is you saw something in their interaction that i didnt, and the meta they share
i found their interaction impossible to be SvS but i think at least 1 of them is town, and am thinking its emp

the chance of them being scum together in this game and totally faking that interaction...i think its think its next to none

Good to note.

flippy's play is on point with their scum game from what I'm familiar with. FL should call that out if town.

FlippyNips is scum here, by the way. He has a curse of always rolling scum, and it looks like it’s continued here.

We can just lynch him Day 2, though.

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I’ve also been able to successfully read when FlippyNips is town eventually by Day 1/Day 2, and confidentially.

I do know him in real life, so I feel sometimes I just get paranoid.

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Day 1 is the day to lynch baggage. Nobody seems to understand that. If you think flippy is scum I'm not sure why you're not pushing that. If we lynch him and he flips town that's a much better position than lynching someone that is town and not changing your assumption that flippy is scum d2.

Of course if we lynch scum d1 I guess it works out.

I trust that if I’m wrong, I’ll be able to figure it out. That’s what happened before. I generally see him as scum when he’s town, then realize he’s town.

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VOTE: Sad Sheep

That’s a town Persivul who’s posting is setting himself up to be mislynched due to that’s where scum likely will start pushing harder.

Persivul’s too jokey right now

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I’ve seen Not Mafia hard game solve as scum before

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He’s probably town here because Sad sheep’s trying to set up a kill there.

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Yes, NM is a fantastic push for scum because it’s so easy to blend in as town pushing NM.

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Yes, NM is a fantastic push for scum because it’s so easy to blend in as town pushing NM.

You always want slots like nm in lylo if you're scum. Wouldn't waste a D1 lynch on that type of play style unless scum just refuse to plan ahead.

I don’t necessarily take players like NM to scum because you can’t count on their vote. NM is a the secondary level to bring to LYLO, not the primary.

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FlipNips is town.

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He doesn’t come up with that last post of his as scum. :shrug:

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He’s not an early game town player, and he just always gets killed before he makes it to later in the game. I noticed it in the first newbie he was town in.

He started to pick things up in the middle of day 2 after doing basically nothing Day 1.

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Those are just the kind of posts he makes when he doesn’t actually know where to go, but it’s Day 1, so that’s not actually an issue, and makes him the perfect candidate for a mislynch

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Now he’s deflecting a town case.

He’s town. Yes, he’s evolved as a player, but this still comes from an evolved NipsTown.

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Not gonna lie, i don’t even know what the lie is. That’s how weird this is for me.

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Slaxx’s post is very surface level analysis that looks like deeper analysis.

I like it, though, and it makes me want to lean town on Slaxx, but it almost looks like that is the intended reaction that Slaxx wanted, and i’m not willing to say it isn’t just them projecting.

This makes it incredibly NAI for now, but as a decent amount of you guys know, I’ve been pushing that NAI actions can turn out to be AI later down the line when you take into consideration a chain of actions.

I’m commenting on this because I’d like to go back and read my own ISO later in the game.

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You can also call it...a reaction test.

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So here’s the deal.

I haven’t caught up to know exactly what’s going on, but I heard 2 cops were a thing.

What we do now is we just let them both live for a day or 2, one of them will probably be night killed, and that way we get investigative reports.

We can start killing them Day 3.

Don’t JK them Night 1, Night 2 you can gambit it.

If ever we get a flip on one of the cops, if town, cool we can trust their results. If scum, don’t put any stock in it.

No would he town clear his buddy? Or he would never town clear his buddy. Just straight up don’t take any of it to heart.

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Slaxx would Lynch
Mohab500 would Lynch
chennisden meh, let’s keep him around
Emperor flippyNips would not lynch
Flavor Leaf never lynch
Tchill13 fine keeping this around
Sad Sheep lets lynch
PenguinPower keep around
Enter keep around
Not_Mafia keep around
Jibril meh, let’s keep him around
Persivul keep around
Dr Worm would Lynch


So anyone who I put as keep around I think there’s reason to believe they could be town, or if they are scum, it’ll come out, and going deep into that would harm our PR’s at this point. My “meh’s” are because I pseudo town read those slots.

Sad Sheep, Mohab500, worm, Slaxx is where we should be looking at then. From the positioning of the game, there’s likely scum in there, and I doubt any of them get town blocked.

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If you wanna dig deeper into my keep around, so be it. I just don’t think players like Tchill/Penguin are worth pushing right now at Day 1. Everything that could come up is NAI, and if they’re town, it’ll probably show later.

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Tchill was JK, enter was cop, NM ascetic cop?

Or did I mess that up.

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Nice.

Simple fix.

Enter cops NM.

NM cops anywhere else.

Honestly, debating Jibril JK on NM, and just take the one clear, but yeah, don’t do that Jibril.

Jail for the night kill stop, or the night kill defense outside of NM. We can have the cops be killed off.

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Well, like you, I don’t think I make sense as an early lynch either, so keep that paranoia coming for a day or two.

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VOTE: Dr Worm

I’m down to go here, and end the day. He’s in the group of people I’m cool having die, and he’s going to be completely hidden and unreadable because of his posting style.

Also, if this flips red, I can consider Persivul more than likely town.

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My theory is that Slaxx has done some townie things, and Imight just be thinking it’s projecting. He’s done for if his agenda doesn’t line up.

Mohab500 will eventually have their alignment become obvious. I don’t necessarily get scum vibes from her, though.

I personally believe Sheep to be scum, but I’ll compromise for now. I’m down for this game going to Day 2 at this point.

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Bold statement.

All four of us are town.

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PONGWIN YOU KNOW DR WORM"S TRUE SOUL!! MAKE NO SENSE YOU VOTE DR WORM!!

TAKE BACK!!

Hammer this

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Irrelevant for now. I’m pretty sure I stated that.

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Oh, I thought you quoted a different post.

That was my read on the slots of the four. I don’t understand your statement at all. Do you want me to not give insight, because that’s not gonna happen.

That’s a scummy post by you, and it seems like you’re only doing it because your buddy is getting wagon’d, and you want to try hatcheting me before it goes down.

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I also had already stated that exact thing on you, so I don’t understand why you felt it necessary to do that statement. Yet again something that comes off like you trying to project towniness.

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Scum probably lurking hoping some townie gets them out of this

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FlipNip, go ahead and hammer

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Flavor are you cool with the hood? Going to be around some of the time?

Yeah, if I don’t die tonight.

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Flavor are you cool with the hood? Going to be around some of the time?

Yeah, if I don’t die tonight.

I don’t imagine any of the cops die. Jibril could, you could, but honestly, whatever. If we’re killed, that’s already is forcing scum to do something about us

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I'd think that with two cops and a jk claimed, the hood is probably safe tonight...

You’d be surprised.

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Especially because Tchill brought up the possibility of me being paranoid of being the one who orchestrated multiple fake claims.

What a great reputation I have

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im Not shading it. It was definitely a valid response.

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To be honest, I saw that FlippyNips was in this game, then I saw you /in’d, and then I decided to join.

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Also flavor if persivul is a real neighborizer please confirm it D2

Me confirming him being a neighborizer doesn’t confirm his alignment.

Plus, Tchill won’t ever trust me with neighborhood claims anymore.

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Tchill, why’d you kill Not Mafia. He didn’t do anything to you.

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Not_Mafia was killed. He was a Town Backup Watcher.

what the hell...??

Oi. The projecting.

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One of Sad Sheep or Slaxx is scum.

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-ok so for my own sanity and everyone else's:

jib - jk
nm - flipped backup watcher but claimed town cop wth dude.
enter - ascetic cop
persi - neighborizer who targeted fl n1
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-pers why would you blurt out your role AND tell us who you would target? what kind of joke game is this...

He claimed neighborizer, which compared to the other claimed roles, isn’t too much of an issue. That also pigeonholes him.

Plus, he was the counterwagon to Worm, and who Worm was pushing throughout the game.

However, from personal experience, Persivul Will scum theatre it up Day 1 with a buddy for distancing.

It’s not worth pushing today, however.

@Enter - claim your investigation target.

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Tchill, why’d you kill Not Mafia. He didn’t do anything to you.

One of Sad Sheep or Slaxx is scum.

??

coming from you from your play on d1...thats funny, FL...

If you mean coming in, and choosing to drop my biggest scum read of you, and then moving the wagon onto Dr Worm, then you’re right.

It is quite hilarious that I moved it from probable 1 scum to the other.

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I actually like Not Mafia’s play this game. Claiming cop was a Near sure way to draw a night kill, and as backup watcher, he knew there was a watcher in this game that if town was likely to target him.

So Tchill, why’d you do it

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chill msut have improved his scum play dramatically because afaik pp & chill arent scum....

also i suggest ordered claim results from enter, then jibril. i feel like thats best.

Lol, how so? Tchill’s hop on to the Worm wagon is the most bus worthy vote, PP’s behind it.

Alongside downplaying Not Mafia as a joke to make it seem like protections shouldn’t target him.

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I didn’t get a chainsaw vibe. I got a hatchetint vibe.

You weren’t pushing me, you were chopping me down to discredit me.

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since the hood is outed (which is just bizarre considering that isnt the purpose of it to keep it like a secret masonry BEFORE n1??), what did you guys even talk about @pers & fl

I don’t want to believe this is a scum slip with Persivul as the partner, but...

VOTE: Sad Sheep

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I’m obviously testing something here with Sheep.

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My theory is that Slaxx has done some townie things, and Imight just be thinking it’s projecting. He’s done for if his agenda doesn’t line up.

Mohab500 will eventually have their alignment become obvious. I don’t necessarily get scum vibes from her, though.

I personally believe Sheep to be scum, but I’ll compromise for now. I’m down for this game going to Day 2 at this point.

You’re going to tell me that you genuinely think this post didn’t need clarification?

I believe with the context of my other posts it had already made sense.

This was me explaining why of the 4 in my lynch pool, Worm was the one I chose to go after.

I am currently being hatcheted because I have momentum on my side, and Tchill is wondering if I have a guilty on him.

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I’m obviously testing something here with Sheep.

I think that defeats the purpose if you explicitly stating.

What in the hell are you doing.

They all like to say this, but this is a Boonskiies Special. Me saying it

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part of the reaction test.

Might not even be saying that towards Sheep. I might not even know who it’s for.

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VOTE: Dr Worm

I’m down to go here, and end the day. He’s in the group of people I’m cool having die, and he’s going to be completely hidden and unreadable because of his posting style.

Also, if this flips red, I can consider Persivul more than likely town.

Slaxx would Lynch
Mohab500 would Lynch
chennisden meh, let’s keep him around
Emperor flippyNips would not lynch
Flavor Leaf never lynch
Tchill13 fine keeping this around
Sad Sheep lets lynch
PenguinPower keep around
Enter keep around
Not_Mafia keep around
Jibril meh, let’s keep him around
Persivul keep around
Dr Worm would Lynch


So anyone who I put as keep around I think there’s reason to believe they could be town, or if they are scum, it’ll come out, and going deep into that would harm our PR’s at this point. My “meh’s” are because I pseudo town read those slots.

Sad Sheep, Mohab500, worm, Slaxx is where we should be looking at then. From the positioning of the game, there’s likely scum in there, and I doubt any of them get town blocked.

My theory is that Slaxx has done some townie things, and Imight just be thinking it’s projecting. He’s done for if his agenda doesn’t line up.

Mohab500 will eventually have their alignment become obvious. I don’t necessarily get scum vibes from her, though.

I personally believe Sheep to be scum, but I’ll compromise for now. I’m down for this game going to Day 2 at this point.

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I’m obviously testing something here with Sheep.

isnt the point of a reaction test to NOT tell the audience that youre doing it.... ???

The point of a reaction test is to test people’s reactions.

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I get that the post was justifications for the lynch but they are very empty. I tend to scrutinize vague accusations like the top two bullet points of 559.

The language in itself was weird but it looks like posting just to post without saying anything as well. Those aren’t in-game reasons for reads, they’re just platitudes.

Well, then we really don’t have anything further to discuss on the matter. I obviously think that my posts were justified in context, you don’t. It is what it is. We’re just arguing each other’s opinions on the manner, and neither of them are gonna change because that post is now in the past.

If you’re town, this is probably a good time to move on from that topic, or at least evolve away from it, as it’s a bit of a distractionn that’ll just make noise for scum to hide behind.

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For example, you could say “their alignment will become clear” or “they’re projecting” about any read but it doesn’t really highlight how you got to that point.

Sure, but I didn’t.

I relate back to my previous post. ^

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since the hood is outed (which is just bizarre considering that isnt the purpose of it to keep it like a secret masonry BEFORE n1??), what did you guys even talk about @pers & fl

I don’t want to believe this is a scum slip with Persivul as the partner, but...

VOTE: Sad Sheep

Would anyone else like to comment on how I came to this conclusion?

Regardless of if it’s correct or not. I don’t necessarily believe it to be true, but I would like to go down this line of questioning.

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You need to get a read on me, alright.

You think ScumFL, a known person who doesn’t like to hardbus, move the wagon after not posting much, to a scum partner, and get him lynched within a couple pages?

You don’t think I could have figured a way out of going through with that as scum?

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I have zero paranoia right now.

I’m able to analyze a lot of things in this game.

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Sad Sheep started this day phase talking about Persivul being a Neighborizer, and outing their target. They then go on to say “my long time MS friend” Which outs them as an alt and an experienced player.

That means they are aware of how I play, and are not afraid to come at me.

Sad Sheep is talking about Persivul+FL neighborhood like it’s a foregone conclusion that we are now in a Neighborhood together.

They didn’t even stop to think about potential reasons why that not have been a thing, meaning Sheep fully expected it to go through. I find it very unlikely that a townie would have this mindset.

Taking it one step further, Persivul and I are in a neighborhood, except there isn’t Day talk, and the night action resolved during the night, so I wasn’t in the neighborhood during the night time. I got in as the day started.

Persivul posted in the neighborhood talking about that confusion as well, so it makes sense in my mind that Sheep would go on about this in their mafia chat.

I’m not solid on that theory, as that relies on Persivul being scum, which I’m not even really scum reading Persivul more than the Persivul likes to bus Day 1 and scum theatre.

I believe Sheep to be likely scum, though.

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You need to get a read on me, alright.

You think ScumFL, a known person who doesn’t like to hardbus, move the wagon after not posting much, to a scum partner, and get him lynched within a couple pages?

You don’t think I could have figured a way out of going through with that as scum?

First off, I don’t know your scum game.

Secondly, Im leaning town on you based on Worm interactions but that doesn’t mean I just conftown you the rest of the game. This discussion could be beneficial now or much later.

I’m trying to dig into your thought process and you’re dancing around it.

I’m not dancing around it. You just don’t like my answers. There’s a difference. That’s all there is too it. I’ve answered it completely with my thoughts and what I thought of the situation, and there’s nothing more to it than that.

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Whatever. This interaction is here for later. I’m not pushing it any more.

Also, this will probably get me strung up, but we should consider the primary watcher could be Mafia.

Agreed

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I have an idea of who Sad Sheep is, but it’s not really too relevant to the game at hand.

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How did we know to lynch Worm? I'm willing to bet scum were on this wagon

Yeah, there’s probably one. I wouldn’t expect many the wagon happened fast. One scum probably sheeped because I was pushing hard while the others stayed off. Well, Work was obviously off. I think one is probably not voting Worm still.

@Sheep - Thoughts on PenguinPower?

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I’m obviously testing something here with Sheep.

I think that defeats the purpose if you explicitly stating.

What in the hell are you doing.

They all like to say this, but this is a Boonskiies Special. Me saying it

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part of the reaction test.

Might not even be saying that towards Sheep. I might not even know who it’s for.

from what i've seen so far this is a boonskies special, and i didn't kill anyone in case yall are wondering.

Good enough for me. I was wondering.

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VOTE: chennisdan

I investigated NM like you asked. My result should be relatively obvious.

Good enough for me. I was wondering.

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[7] Dr Worm : Flavor Leaf 557, PenguinPower 558, Tchill13 560, Enter 561, Not_Mafia 563, Persivul 584, Emperor flippyNips 587

Persivul is town, NM is town, I'm town

Tchill and PP are null-town

that leaves flipnipps and fl.

anyone disagree?

I hard disagree.

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Actually maybe not hard. I agree with it a lot, actually, I just see FN as town there.

Move Persivul to null town, and Enter to “that leaves”, mainly because I feel you’re alignment will settle itself.

If we hit scum today, the JK can start getting innocents.

I wouldn’t say it’s impossible for there to be Zero scum on the wagon. It’s more likely zero than it is 2.

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Nice.

Simple fix.

Enter cops NM.

NM cops anywhere else.

Honestly, debating Jibril JK on NM, and just take the one clear, but yeah, don’t do that Jibril.

Jail for the night kill stop, or the night kill defense outside of NM. We can have the cops be killed off.

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Also, if this flips red, I can consider Persivul more than likely town.

Move Persivul to null town

Why?

I remembered Persivul likes to scum theatre early

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Nah, I’m actually starting to believe there are zero scum on the Worm wagon.

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Which makes me start to lean Chennis scum

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And I didn’t know who Sad Sheep was like you did at the time.

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I have to go take a look at Chennis-Worm, I guess. Figuring out Chennis is a priority of mine here.

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Enter is claimed Ascetic.

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The cop was fine. It was meant to force scum to kill within the PR’s so we don’t mislynch both.

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Things I say make sense, but they’re very much on another plane. Something like the upside down equivalent

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You just have to look at it through Leaf tinted glasses.

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ScumPersivul makes it a thing not to check/talk in mafia thread until the games gotten underway, so I don’t feel that’s how ScumPers interacts with scumWorm

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I won’t be going Persivul today. Personal experience/meta from his scum game, mixed in with Neighborized, and Worm going at Persi.

I understand the case, but I’m not sure it makes him scum, if that makes sense. I’m not entirely confident on townPersivul, but enough where I’m going to give the other side to that.

I have my reasons to think he could be scum, which I stated earlier, and my reasons to think he’s town.

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Am I dumb in thinking that the questions Tchill is asking have obvious answers?
Am I dumb in thinking that he might be asking questions to fake activity?

They’ve also already been answered.

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At this point I'm planning on inviting Flavor, because I have a good town lean on him and as mentioned we recently won a game together as scum, and that game featured hoods. Seems fitting.

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So here’s where I stand right now.

I’m gut scum reading Tchill, but I also am gut feeling like I’m misreading him, so the combination of that makes me leaning town on Tchill.

Does that make sense? I think it does.

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He also typically challenges me a bit more as scum, and tends to talk about him knowing me well as town, so I think I’m soul reading Tchill as town.

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I guess jibril doesn't have any thoughts.

I see that thinking for myself was a mistake and I should have been sheeping Master. So I am doing that now. He is definitely town.

Are you using pet names for people just to make yourself harder to read?

She always calls me Master.

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UNVOTE: Sheep

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UNVOTE: Sheep

Why?

:shrug: don’t think he’s scum anymore. The gamestate progressed in a way where I can see his actions coming from a town mindset.

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I would like a Night with my neighbor, please.

Us conversing there, and then talking to Tchill about it afterwards is a great usage, I believe.

@Persovil - you can bring more people in with us, right?

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UNVOTE: Sheep

Why?

:shrug: don’t think he’s scum anymore. The gamestate progressed in a way where I can see his actions coming from a town mindset.

Can you get more specific? These types of posts are killing me.

I will when i figure out how to put it into words.

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I would like a Night with my neighbor, please.

Us conversing there, and then talking to Tchill about it afterwards is a great usage, I believe.

@Persovil - you can bring more people in with us, right?

One more, but they won't come in until N3.

Yeah, Tchill’s good.

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I think it’s be funny to have him paranoid of us being scum and inviting him

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How did we even know that Worm was mafia? It being a correct lynch is very sketchy.

I'm just good at mafia.

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also a little bit of luck

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I'm just saying enter copping nm while the Jk jk's enter is not OK. It wasted enters action and it should have been obvious that was going to happen. Scum will kill a cop claim over a JK claim if they know the cop won't be protected.

Chennisden does not look to great but neither does FL for poorly directing night actions. I'd like to see more from Mohab obviously. Slaxx is lean scum for me.

I never said to JK Enter. :shrug:

So I don’t know what “actions” are talked about.

I directed a Night action. Singular, and started the Worm push.

And Enter is claimed Ascetic, so the JK didnt jail there. It failed.

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Yeah, I would never tell her to target an Ascetic.

It’s confirmed he’s not pulling an ascetic gambit to make the kill, though? Haha

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What happened what now

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So neither of the cop claims were actual cops.

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Yay friend! \o/
So we are just a couple of cool looking confirmed townies.

Who's Scum? Is FL?

I lead the Day 1 scum lynch. You should know I don’t bus like that without needing to.

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I lead the Day 1 scum lynch. You should know I don’t bus like that without needing to.

Then why you not dead?

We had 2 cop claims and a JK claim.

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VOTE: Sad Sheep

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The only thing is, FL voted and it was basically lynched instantly.
There was no chance to back out or try and change it.

I could have backed out of it.

Most people were on it because of the case I made on why I thought he was best lynch.

I even told Flip Nips to hammer and wasn’t posting when he was L-2

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Enter wasn't wrong to claim cop as a PT cop.
So we looking at a traitor here or what? Probably not if neighbours can be a thing.

Have you used it yet Percy?

But it was wrong to be fighting it like they were direct counter claims.

Persivul claimed Neighborizer afterwards...hmm

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Neighborizer and having people be in neighborhoods give PT cop’s false guilties.

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~I know why SS mentioned traaaaaaaaitor ~

OH HOT DOG THATS WHY THERE’S A PT COP. TRAITOR GETS A FALSE INNO.

A hip hop hippopotamus.

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I mean, I’ve been trying to tell everyone Sad was scum since Day 1.

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SS/PP scum team?

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I don’t want to assume there isn’t a 4th

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Alright, PP can be town.

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Mebee clarify and I don't have to wait...that would be cool.

PT cop synergizes well with traitor. Too well, and I’d expect there’s more than just the neighborizer part of it.

Now that PT cop is flipped, scum likely want to be neighborized. We probably need to lock down soon if Persovul is town or not then.

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And SS brought up traitor earlier, so I think the case is they’re somehow involved with traitor.

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Jibril’s following me wherever I go. That’s what they did last game and they were scum.

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Because I asked twice. Or do you feel I should sheep without justification?
I haven't read anything from before I joined I have you guys for that.

What posts were both of your setup spec?

UNVOTE: Sad

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Didn’t mean to quote that

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Jibril’s following me wherever I go. That’s what they did last game and they were scum.

We're you town?

Yes. So town, it made ScumRB replace out after an interaction with me. Jibril then took their place.

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i almost think it might be worth keeping Jibril alive for the sake of if we hit scum, we start getting confirmed townies from her. Forces scum to kill her.

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Same thing happens if she’s scum, she’ll still have to Inno people.

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Worm wouldn’t have been killed if I were scum for the paranoid people. I don’t do well end game as scum. I end things mid game.

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Jibril needs to come up with some real thought first of all. Secondly... Can we confirm she's actually a JK. that's what I'm concerned with. I don't think we can. If we could I'd never vote her obviously. If I'm wrong please point that out.

Let’s have her jail Persivul.

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You realise that Scum watcher is more likely if JK is town right?
Wasn't the argument earlier on Sad Sheep for saying that?

I don’t know. :shrug: i didn’t think SS was scum for any of those reasons.

Something about their posting Day 1 got me, but then they posted again and i got town vibes.

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I saw the lead on Scum lynch.
You mean the one that took off directly after he voted?
Where Scum can't have a chance to change their mind?

Yeah that one.

I easily could have changed that wagon just by saying “you know, this wagon happened too fast, let’s change wagons.”

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Flips even asked if he could hammer at L-2, so I had ample time to switch it.

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Jibril needs to come up with some real thought first of all. Secondly... Can we confirm she's actually a JK. that's what I'm concerned with. I don't think we can. If we could I'd never vote her obviously. If I'm wrong please point that out.

Let’s have her jail Persivul.

come to think of it, wasnt he able to target a new person each night? id like his target to confirm he got into a pt , via way of pers

I don’t even know who he targeted.

We were talking about it, I wanted Tchill, but he didn’t. I don’t know who he ended up going.

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When I joined, there was a confirmation. There isn’t one now.

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We would basically just be confirming she is an actual jk? Regardless of alignment

Yeah, this is true.

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I’ve been semi site wide inactive

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I think Vedith is scum...fits into when I put Mohab500 into the 4, and named Worm/sad Sheep/slaxx/Mohab500.

I just feel like his read on me is to try and keep me on the table rather than actually him thinking I could be scum.

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I also have to stay alive for the JK thing or else they can just ‘neighborize’ a potential partner, so him pushing he can go with Slaxx and I is rough.

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I think Vedith is scum...fits into when I put Mohab500 into the 4, and named Worm/sad Sheep/slaxx/Mohab500.

I just feel like his read on me is to try and keep me on the table rather than actually him thinking I could be scum.

How can you say that and then not feel the same way about Chill’s stance on me?

Because I understand the push on you. I felt the same way. I also know how Tchill thinks, so him pushing you isn’t out of the ordinary for him as town. Vedith doesn’t feel normal to me. I’m still trying to find the words for it

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the fact that jib said she jailed chill on night 2, there was still a kill, considering the posts in the thread, AND slaax voted chill - how anyone thinks slaax is town, is beyond me

Chill doesn’t make the kill there ever really, so idk why that’s relevant.

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I think Vedith is scum

There's a juicy wagon on me already.
Or are you just throwing shade in my direction without putting a vote down?
Not something I expect from town you.

What does scum me gain from voting you, saying, I think you’re scum and being off the wagon?

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We already have a flipped scum.

That can’t be the team.

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Unless four scum

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I only said PP as the back up, not as Scum.
That makes 3.

Oh, I get it. Thought you meant like our backup.

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Sad Sheep, you’re super scummy when you say the “if one of you 3 are scum, I’m done” line...

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Good enough for me. I was wondering.

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Slaxx

Emperor flippyNips
Tchill13
Sad Sheep
PenguinPower
Jibril
Persivul
Vedith

No order, slaxx is a town read, the rest are lean towns.

I don’t necessarily believe the JK claim, but I guess that’ll figure itself out.

I think Sad Sheep is probably just scum.

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I guess my lean town list is filled with a lot of people that I just don’t have any reason to scum read.

Tchill13
Sad Sheep
PP
Persivul
Vedith

PP gets a little bit from jumping onto worm after me immediately.

Persivul I’d like to figure out some stuff in neighborhood more.

I’m just gonna stick to Sad Sheep.

VOTE: Sad Sheep

Flips seemed like a mislynch bait wagon building up because nothings been happening and scum were trying to get something going.

Flips was the easiest target based on lack of claim and pressure expected to build up.

Sure, he’s not doing much, but he should have VLA’d.

He seems like town with no reads, which I can relate to.

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Jibril, if we hit scum today, jail me.

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Claim Flips. You’re L-1

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Flips is gonna flip green

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There’s at least 1 scum in Persivul, Vedith, PP, SS.

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On top of that, Flips isn’t even voting. With his lack of reads, that adds up to town not knowing where to go even when he’s being wagon’d.

This is a mislynch.

Town should move off.

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Yeah, this is a scum claim.

Hammer it, fellas.

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It’s not an agenda. I’ve been stating I think you’re scum from the beginning of the game.

Tchill makes sense as a Sad Sheep partner, but I think it’s just Sad and Persivul right now

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Why are you all letting FL take the lynch off nips?
He's prob a my his Scum buddy and this suggests it even more.

Tragic.

Yes, the one who lead the wagon onto scum D1, and have no reason to outwardly defend flips in that situation is the most likely scum.

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Hammer Sheep.

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Slaxx, we can look at Tchill stuff tomorrow

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Not for me. The later into the game it is, the better chance I have at being sure of Tchill’s alignment.

He hasn’t made a play towards me yet, and when we’re separate alignments, generally eventually that has to come.

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Not for me. The later into the game it is, the better chance I have at being sure of Tchill’s alignment.

He hasn’t made a play towards me yet, and when we’re separate alignments, generally eventually that has to come.

You’re not the only person in the game.

Sure, but I’m the only one with my vote.

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This is essentially the same people who were on the Worm wagon who are on the Sheep wagon. I think it’s going to be very telling.

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@Jibril - if this is a scum flip, jail me. If this isn’t, jail someone else.

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ScumTchill isn’t a player to just not do anything, so that’s NAI really.

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I don’t want Tchill dead, though. I want him alive. My gut is screaming that he’s town.

I’m also the only one defending him. I don’t think this is scumTchill.

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ScumTchill isn’t a player to just not do anything, so that’s NAI really.

Oh he’s doing a lot it’s just that none of it is productive beyond making him look busy

And ScumTchill is very capable of doing much more than that.

He’s gone along with some crazy gambits before, and he’s survived the Third Degree Boon before. He’s capable as scum

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Sad Sheep, Vedith, Persivul all were stating Tchill was scummy.

Penguin is the only one who hasn’t.

I think there’s scum on Flips wagon 100%.

Objectively, this makes Tchill town. No reason for the Tchill wagon to start up here if he’s scum.

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And Penguin and Tchill both hopped on Worm fast yesterday, which gave it the momentum it needed. That wasn’t strong scum play if they are the team.

Worm had like no pressure on him.

I think PP/Tchill/Flips are town. Scum is on the Flips wagon.

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Vedith Sheep scum team.

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Actually, that’s not it.
It’s probably one of them, though.

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Sheep already claimed, let’s just kill there.

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Yeah, Vedith probably town who’s incredibly far off.

It’s probably Sad Sheep/Persivul.

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Chilly has promised an update since 9th.
Anything provided now I expect to be effortless anyway.

That’s more indicative of TownChill.

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It’s probably Sad Sheep/Persivul.

Anything interesting in the 'hood or no?

Persivul wouldn’t bring Tchill in is all because he thought he was scummy and didn’t understand my town read.

The fact i’m the only one defending both Flips and Chill, shows that they’re likely both town.

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It’s probably Sad Sheep/Persivul.

Anything interesting in the 'hood or no?

Persivul wouldn’t bring Tchill in is all because he thought he was scummy and didn’t understand my town read.

The fact i’m the only one defending both Flips and Chill, shows that they’re likely both town.

I thought he said he missed his action last night.

Probably cuz we couldn’t decide. He asked me about it, I wanted Tchill, he didn’t.

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I thought Pers Scum read you?
FL

I don’t think so. Thought he town read me.
VD

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He didn’t want Tchill added because it was his biggest scum read.

He also asked if I wanted Tchill to get a better read on him or because I thought he was town.

I said a little of both.

Also, because during the night phase I did a shoot on a commercial and was next to Steph Curry, and if I remember correctly Tchill used to have a Warriors avatar.

I guess Persivul might have just missed it. He never said anyone he was gonna bring in.

He brought up not being sure about Sad Sheep, and town read Jibril for more than just the claim.

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Exactly.
How much are you and FL discussing in the hood? Think you can get a solid read on Him?

We didn't say much. I pressed him on Tchill at first. His town read on T is mostly feels based on experience. I asked him about other people and he basically said his thoughts were in the main thread.

But you should know some context: we recently were a scum team in a game with Rooms. In that game he actively used the rooms to pocket/manipulate people, and I got no feel of that in our room. Part of why I invited him was to see if he'd try to work me. OTOH, he might have realized I'd be watching for that.

I had the thought that he meant more Scum that town by this post but I guess it's not much of a tell 're reading.

I feel like he was saying I was very different in there than when I was scum, but thought I could be scum realizing that.

I’m leaning Persivul town again, I think.

Guys, it’s literally just Sad Sheep.

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Sad Sheep, Mohab500, worm, Slaxx is where we should be looking at then. From the positioning of the game, there’s likely scum in there, and I doubt any of them get town blocked.

I kind of want to go back and trust my initial read of the game when I pushed Worm.

I’m thinking the team might be Sheep/Slaxx.

Regardless, I actually don’t see a world where Sheep isn’t scum anymore.

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And the Tchill push definitely heated up after Flips wagon derailed and Sheep picked up, so I feel like Slaxx might have added pressure to where they were already pushing in order for it to seem believable. It did.

I just think that was a scum play when I look back on it.

Slaxx/Sad Sheep for scum.


@Jibril - if there’s a scum lynch today, jail me. Even if you aren’t a full JK and you can’t use any shots, don’t out that info.

That way, we can for sure get a 3rd member into the neighborhood, and potentially confirm some people.

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One of Sad Sheep or Slaxx is scum.

Tchill, why’d you kill Not Mafia. He didn’t do anything to you.

One of Sad Sheep or Slaxx is scum.

??

coming from you from your play on d1...thats funny, FL...

Oh, looks like I’ve come full circle since the start of Day 2. That’s a good sign.

Sad Sheep even tried to cut me down early after the Worm wagon so I wouldn’t come off as universally town.

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Mixed in with how Sad Sheep was talking about PP/Tchill/FL “if scum, oh boi, we lose” is posturing, and how Vedith reacted towards that makes me feel the team isn’t Sad Sheep/Vedith.

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Nah, scum No kill gambits are a thing, and I don’t for sure think it’s you and Sheep. More just Sheep, possible you.

I still think Jibril is possible, but that will solve itself.

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I’d personally rather have a kill go through, too, at least for this next night.

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I also felt like Sad Sheeps move towards Vedith was to try and get me off of Sheep and onto Vedith.

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ScumTchill would have hammered there and banked off of me defending him tomorrow.

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I’m not moving off of Sheep today probably

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Happy scum day, Tchill.

Happy birthday, FlippyNips.

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That’s really funny to me that it’s the same, because FlippyNips Scum Day is my birthday.

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I want the response first to who Jibril targeted.

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Persivul said he doesn’t get the pushes on Slaxx, and his top votes are Chill and Flips last night.

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Slaxx, I think could be scum yeah. Town reading Chill and Flips.

I’m not gonna lie, I was ready to push you here as soon as the day started (after I saw the flip, because I would have gone after PP) but your Slaxx push doesn’t seem scum motivated, and if it is, you’re caught with a Slaxx town flip.

Persivul could be scum here, which is an opposite read on Slaxx than you have so persivul could be scum with you.

Jibril could also be scum, but not with you.

I think Penguin Power was a poor kill, tbh. I thought he was scum who was sheeping my votes.

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Was anyone added to the PT?

@Persivul - don’t confirm or deny this yet.


@Jibril - claim your target.

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I think we can consider my Flips read gone.

Flips/Jibril?

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Aight, so Persivul invited Tchill to the neighborhood

Tchill, did you get access?