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That’s what I thought. We didn’t get a post by mod saying you did. Hmm.

I could see Persivul/Slaxx

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Scum neighborizer with a PT cop is kind of cool.

He was probably informed about that role so that would explain his claim when he did to make sure he didn’t get false guiltied/so I didn’t get cleared.

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Jailkeeper and Watcher/Backup is just too much town power.

I’ve been there

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Jailkeeper and Watcher/Backup is just too much town power.

I’ve been there

And that’s to say, upset at town power as scum

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If it’s Jib/Flip, that would make sense.

If it’s anybody else, Jibril would have been coached better.

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And by better, I mean essentially told what to do, because Flippynips wouldn’t have told Jibril what to do/probably wasn’t even around.

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I’m not saying I’m against Jibril wagon, but there’s a giant gut read of mine feeling like she’s just town

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I recently just got pocketed by Jibril in a game.

Is Jibril quietly taking out everyone and winning scum game after scum game?

To be fair, I got in a big heated argument with Rb, who ended up saying I get a sick pleasure from gaslighting people and am disgusting, and replaced out when i gave him the ‘ol Third Degree Boon, so I saw that as a townie replacement, then jibril came in, sheeped me the entire game, and called me master.

So yeah, I might have had a blind spot, but I am aware of her scum game.

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I don’t think that’s even a tinfoil theory, tbh

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Can we talk about the fact that tchill didn’t get into the neighborhood despite Persivul using the action.

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Mr Werebeast

I do believe this is in reference to me. If I was jailed I don't think I can be targeted right?

You can be targeted, you just can’t die or use an action.

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Well then that doesn't make too much sense.

Tchill...it’s Jailkeeper...it’s a Doctor/roleblock hybrid. You can still be targeted.

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VOTE: Flips

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Jibril’s called me master for a couple games now. Not sure why, but I’m not really complaining.

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Beats Mr. Werebeast.

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My scum game just ended. I can probably deep analyze this soon then

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Actually, that’s a point towards JibrilTown. Scum knew town had a Watcher.

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Can we talk about the fact that tchill didn’t get into the neighborhood despite Persivul using the action.

What does that mean that he didn’t get in to the hood. Idk how that works

Persivul’s Role is neighborizer, which means he targets people at night to bring them into a neighborhood.

It’s just a private thread that anyone in the neighborhood can hear. You don’t know their alignments, though, so scum can hide in there and act like they are town.

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Persovul used his action on tchill, meaning Tchill should be in there, but he’s not. Meaning Persivul’s action didn’t go through

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Yeah that’s what I’m asking about. What does it mean that he didn’t get in

He doesn’t have access to the private thread. Only Persivul and I do because I got access after Night 1.

It’s a private thread so unless you have access you can’t even see it.

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Let’s just mass claim

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Jibril - JK
persivul - Neighborizer
Slaxx - VT
flippynips

Tchill/FL/Vedith

Flips, claim your role and then say who you want to claim next out of the remaining

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it.

That’s what we’re trying to figure out. Haha.

Persivul’s action could have been role blocked.

Persivul could have been lying about using his ability.

Tchill could be an Ascetic role, which means he can’t be targeted. Generally a scummy role

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Jib’s town and I’m town.

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I think I’m getting Flips/Slaxx vibes.

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Scum is in those VT claims.

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Jib’s town and I’m town.

Why should I think you're town if jib is?

Of PP and FL why would scum kill PP instead? You said yourself PP was a bad kill.

They could’ve role copped him.

PP was a bad kill before the flip, but retroactively it was a great kill.

It comes down to if they got lucky when he flipped Watcher or not.

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Because I’m green and I’m saying Jib’s green. Why should you think i’m Scum for accurately reading Jibril?

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Flips/Slaxx/Vedith/Chill

Entire scum team is on that list.

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They could’ve role copped him.

Even more reason to not kill him.

Scum KNEW town had a Watcher because of NM flip, maybe even the Informed role.

TownJibril can’t be killed with that knowledge, because a Watcher is likely to be on it.

Jibril, if scum, should be the last scum found, not the first.

Her JK will start inno’ing players if she is the last scum alive, so worth.

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One of Tchill/Slaxx are scum, the other is Vedith or Flips.

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Flips/Slaxx/Vedith/Chill

Entire scum team is on that list.

Flips/Slaxx/FL/Chill

Entire scum team is on that list.

I mean, YES! That’s the perspective that townYou SHOULD be pushing.

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One of Tchill/Slaxx are scum, the other is Vedith or Flips.

One of Tchill/Slaxx are scum, the other is FL or Flips

Yes!!!

That’s exactly it.

Flips is scum here.

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Unless you’re scum, which is a possibility.

I can see Slaxx/flips

And Tchill/Flips, though.

Tchill/Slaxx are doing the most right now, but smallish chance, but I don’t think so.

Tchill/Vedith makes sense with the stances Vedith is on, but they’re a bit aggro.

Slaxx/Vedith...hmm...

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Flips/Slaxx/Vedith/Chill

Entire scum team is on that list.

Flips/Slaxx/FL/Chill

Entire scum team is on that list.

I mean, YES! That’s the perspective that townYou SHOULD be pushing.

What should Scum me be pushing?

Jibril

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I’d just like to point out how clearly scum Flippy is here, and you can tell by the lack of anything being pushed there.

His scum partner is avoiding that as an option, which makes me lean towards Vedith/Slaxx with Flips.

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I’m also obviously dead this night phase, and scum are going to use that to drown my thoughts out.

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The only way I stay alive is to be framed for that Tchill statement when Jibril flips town.

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I’d just like to point out how clearly scum Flippy is here, and you can tell by the lack of anything being pushed there.

His scum partner is avoiding that as an option, which makes me lean towards Vedith/Slaxx with Flips.

I literally have been saying flips/Jib all day.

I also pushed him Day 1 when everyone else was giving him a pass.

I don’t think it’s Flips/Jib. Just Flips and someone else.

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I’m also obviously dead this night phase, and scum are going to use that to drown my thoughts out.

You’re doing a fine job of that without their help whiplashing your reads back and forth.

Disagree. I haven’t stated that Jibril was scum once here.


I have partner pooling here now which is a staple of townFlavor game solving mode.

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If jib is scum FL is town. If jib is town (no way) then FL might be scum. Only scenario though.

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So basically, if Jibril flips town I’m scum, but if Jibril flips scum, I’m scum. Lol okay.

I don’t start a wagon on my scum partner Day 1. I hate early game bussing unnecessarily. Whenever the scum game of mine that just finished mafia threads go up, go look at Eddie and I’sback and forth, or YellowSnow and my back and forth when they’re bussing me.

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How confident are you on Flips, FL?

Only thing giving me pause right now is a potential Tchill/Vedith pairing.

Vedith is also scumming it up in general, though.

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Just remember if Jibril flips Scum here then FL is Scum 100%

No way jibril plays the way he did if scum with FL. Sorry.

Why

Lol, because I’m a bossy scum partner who spews thoughts and idea plans in scum thread, and Jibril literally calls me master. She’d Have listened to my ideas more.

You’d have to believe all of Jibril’s play has some hints of Flavor in it..

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Am I Scum on a Jibril Scum flip, FL?

Yes, if I was wrong on Jibril, you are the most likely Jib partner.

I don’t feel I’m wrong

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This is his scum game. He doesn’t know who to frame for the mislynch, so he comes in asking mechanical questions to make it seem like he’s trying to piece things together.

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Well that's a shame.

@Vedith I’m lol’ing right now.

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I think if’s flips/Vedith.

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You are only pushing me as main Scum now because I called you Scum.

Stupid mistake because we both know that doesn't make me back down.

To be fair, we’ve only ever tunneled at each other as TvT.

You not backing down doesn’t make you town, though.

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Chill’s potentially playing defense of the Flips wagon, but his mechanics of it are sound. Just thought I’d point that out.

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UNVOTE: Flips

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I’m back to Vedith and Slaxx.

Which also coincides with my Day 1 pushes.

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UNVOTE: Flips

Really? He posted twice and your mind is changed?

He’s green, he’s just being very lazy.

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It’s Slaxx and Vedith. Lol

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I have zero reason to move off of Flips and defend Jibril.

One of them sure, but the combination of that is anti scum agenda.

Tchill could easily have disposed of me by now instead he’s defending me.
Persivul is probably just town based on setup, and the way he claimed.
Plus, unless the team is Persivul/Jibril, persivul has been playing extremely odd, and I don’t think Jibril is scum.
Flips is just being legitimately 100% genuine with his posts there. That’s a town trait by him.

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If I’m wrong on you, Slaxx, by all means, but you just straight up voting me when I’m known for being incredibly consistent in my scum play after that meta comment you just made is poor on your part.

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VOTE: Vedith

This will likely confirm myself and Jibril as town rather than having to go Vedith vs FL tomorrow with a dead Tchill/Persivul.

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But thanks for positioning yourself in a manner that makes it so you aren’t going to want to kill me.

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You are only pushing me as main Scum now because I called you Scum.

Stupid mistake because we both know that doesn't make me back down.

Flips doesn't seem much different from 2057 where he was town.

There’s way more solviness from that slot in 2057.

It’s not groundbreaking or town of the year play, but it’s definitely different.

FYI I don't like using past games to judge a player because of my inability to judge him in the game I'm playing with him.

Meta can easily be manipulated.

Yeah I used to hold that view too, sweet summer child.

Was more responding to this post by you as it showed your thoughts on the meta.

And I know you didn’t know that. But now you do. I’m testing the potential contradiction in your thought process after you already lunges forward.

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But thanks for positioning yourself in a manner that makes it so you aren’t going to want to kill me.

Scum me would kill you though. You know this.

But is that your optimal play now, or is it suboptimal.

On a mechanical level, it’s suboptimal, on a social level, it’s optimal.

That’s the epitome of how I like to play as town.

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@Flips - It’s just Slaxx/Vedith as the scum team.

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Tchill has been a town read of mine all game. He has zero reason to defend me like he has been.

Flips only creeped into my scum list because he wasn’t talking.

As soon as he started to again, at least the ones not going after fluff questions, or promising to catch-up, I saw the genuineness.

Flips/Chill are town.

Jibril doesn’t make those plays as scum. That was a weird JK claim to make as scum and seems more like town.

She also got defensive when someone said she hasn’t been doing anything and actively tried to defend herself.

Also, the PP kill.

Persivul is an outlier, but I think he’s just town.

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Vedith vote FL with me. Way more confident on him now. I don’t think any Townie ever removes their vote and 180s back onto us after those two Emp posts.

Plus, right now it looks like we are afraid to vote together which is just fueling his narrative. So vote with me.

That’s literally the epitome of TownMe.

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I’m literally in a 1v2 with the scum team on Day 4 of a game.

That’s something that just kind of happens at this point in the game for me when I’m still alive.

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But what was genuine about Emps posts? He had like two lines.

The 100%. It was there to add oomph like a “woah, I’m town guys. No clue what’s going on, but I’m town”

As scum, he would have at least knew of a little bit that’s going on. He would have paid attention during his lurking more then just not posted.

Maybe it’s because I know him in real life, but I just think that’s coming from town him.

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He won't. Scum FL is a politician.

@Slaxx - I just got called the fifth best scum player on site from someone who drastically underestimates my play. This is not scum me.

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Disagree.

What’s the ScumReason to flip on Flips like that? Flips flip wouldnt incriminate me and would setup a final push for one single mislynch tomorrow.

Getting rid of that mislynch is completely anti scum, and you’re pushing it like it was a scum move.

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Sorry, but you’ve both been Third Degree Boon’d.

It’s okay, I work for Voluspa, we just have a new Moisture Milk product you can buy, it’s made from aloe vera and sunflower, so that should ease your burns.

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Okay, I’m going to be away from the thread, like actually, though. I have to move stuff into a storage.

FlippyNips is literally helping me with it, it’s his family’s storage, so iw I’ll be away from the thread. -.-

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Y’all want me to conf town myself?

@Tchill - check it!!!

I’m the only one who hasn’t claimed yet.

I’M VANILLA FREAKING TOWNIE.

Try and say I’d ever claim that as scum.

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The scum team’s literally just Slaxx and Vedith, Tchill.

They have to push that narrative because going Jibril-Me wins them the game.

If they get me today, they brush it off like “oh, he was scummy”

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I mean, Jibril calls me master and already listens to what i say when I’m town for the most part. Why wouldn’t she as scum?

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@leaf of flavor

Well you’re wrong. My curse doesn’t effect me here

Also, this from the start. Mixed in with everything else, he’s just town here.

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The 180 that should have been brought up was my town read of Flips to scum reading, not the scum reading to town reading.

I’ve been town reading a Flips the majority of the game.

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Yeah, but I didn’t iso then like I am now.

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@Tchill - For Jibril to be scum, she needs a partner. It’d have to be in Vedith/Slaxx/Persivul/Flips, and I think only Persivul makes any kind of sense there.

Which means, we have only 3 PR’s and one’s a backup.

5 town PR’s make sense here, with probably 1 or 1 and a half scum PR’s.

Jibril and Persivul are town.

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Tchill/Flips - Like Spiderverse...take a leap of faith. Vote Vedith.

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How are jib AND pers town?

I was in the camp that one is town and one is scum due to setup spec?

Ascetic PT Cop
Watcher
Backup Watcher
JK
Neighborizer

When’s the last time you saw a game with less PR’s than this when one of them is a backup, one of them is an Ascetic that gives false guilties on a Neighborizer.

Jibril is not scum, and neither am I.

Vedith is playing directly against your push on purpose to set it up for tomorrow. If Jibril flips, they can get you on me tomorrow potentially. If I flip, they get Jibril tomorrow.

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Jibril’s done more. You can tell she believes it.

The JK claim wasn’t done by scumJibril. That’s a newbie townie move

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The only way jibril is scum is if it’s Vedith/Jibril, and Vedith was going to use the bus cred to get me, which is why Vedith is locked on to me “thought they hammered” Jibril, but it slowed down the process on buddy Jibril.

Either way, that revolves around Vedith being scum.

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...ascetic doesn't give false guilties

Neighborizer does to the PT cop.

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FL why is jib town? Break it down like I'm in kindergarten.

Because I’m town, and scum want me to think the scum team is Slaxx/Vedith right now, meaning at least one of them are scum.

If you town read me, you can’t not see at least one of them as scum based on how the day’s going.

If they were both town, I’d be dying likely, unless it’s Persivul/Jib, but that pairing should nearly be thrown out the window now because we’d only have 3 PR’s. That would never get passed.

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Also, I wasn’t thinking about it before, but I don’t recall a single time that flips has ever “caught me” as scum.

I haven’t really played face to face mafia with him much, and the last time we played, I was like...town the entire time.

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I still think he’s town, but yeah.

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I’ve called Flips town in every single game I’ve played with him.

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I’ve also called him scum for a small part of every game I’ve played with him before settling on town reading him or one of us die

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Vedith is clearly scum, and Slaxx called it TvT right before he joined Vedith off of my 180, which in actuality was a 360.

There’s scum in the pairing.

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Literally never lynch Jibril here before another scum flip.

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Too much info to gain from her, even if the scum team is Vedith/Jibril.

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Can we agree that there's Scum 100% in me and you FL and that if one flips town the other self votes and is the lynch of that day?

Yes, there is scum 100%.

You go first, though

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Vedith/Slaxx
Vedith/Jibril
Vedith/Flips

What makes most sense to y’all?

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Hint, it’s not the last one.

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I also claim 1 shot Role cop that got role cop on a Vedith.

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I don’t throw Worm under the bus where I did.

Honestly, simple as that.

I’m actually just VT, so I know vedith is lying.

He Freudian slipped letting us know scum has a role cop. They checked PP probably.

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I’m being obnoxious in that post, don’t take that seriously

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Really? Because I made plenty of posts. I had plenty of time.

Spoiler:

VOTE: Dr Worm

I’m down to go here, and end the day. He’s in the group of people I’m cool having die, and he’s going to be completely hidden and unreadable because of his posting style.

Also, if this flips red, I can consider Persivul more than likely town.

My theory is that Slaxx has done some townie things, and Imight just be thinking it’s projecting. He’s done for if his agenda doesn’t line up.

Mohab500 will eventually have their alignment become obvious. I don’t necessarily get scum vibes from her, though.

I personally believe Sheep to be scum, but I’ll compromise for now. I’m down for this game going to Day 2 at this point.

Bold statement.

All four of us are town.

PONGWIN YOU KNOW DR WORM"S TRUE SOUL!! MAKE NO SENSE YOU VOTE DR WORM!!

TAKE BACK!!

Hammer this

Irrelevant for now. I’m pretty sure I stated that.

Oh, I thought you quoted a different post.

That was my read on the slots of the four. I don’t understand your statement at all. Do you want me to not give insight, because that’s not gonna happen.

That’s a scummy post by you, and it seems like you’re only doing it because your buddy is getting wagon’d, and you want to try hatcheting me before it goes down.

I also had already stated that exact thing on you, so I don’t understand why you felt it necessary to do that statement. Yet again something that comes off like you trying to project towniness.

Scum probably lurking hoping some townie gets them out of this

FlipNip, go ahead and hammer

Flavor are you cool with the hood? Going to be around some of the time?

Yeah, if I don’t die tonight.

Flavor are you cool with the hood? Going to be around some of the time?

Yeah, if I don’t die tonight.

I don’t imagine any of the cops die. Jibril could, you could, but honestly, whatever. If we’re killed, that’s already is forcing scum to do something about us

I'd think that with two cops and a jk claimed, the hood is probably safe tonight...

You’d be surprised.

Especially because Tchill brought up the possibility of me being paranoid of being the one who orchestrated multiple fake claims.

What a great reputation I have

im Not shading it. It was definitely a valid response.

To be honest, I saw that FlippyNips was in this game, then I saw you /in’d, and then I decided to join.

Also flavor if persivul is a real neighborizer please confirm it D2

Me confirming him being a neighborizer doesn’t confirm his alignment.

Plus, Tchill won’t ever trust me with neighborhood claims anymore.

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My read on you changed well after you started the Vedith push FL, it was your townflip to Emp. And you know that.

I’ve brought that up already.

Slaxx, if you’re town, you’re playing into Vedith’s scum game hard.

I 360’d on Flips, not 180’d.

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Am I not allowed to doubt my reads? Why is the flip bad?

I’m literally known for my consistent scum game.

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You had no reason to change off the wagon.
By the point he was L2/L1 you were already in too deep and had to go with it.

Lol, but why would I start it?

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Here’s also my build up.

I had Slaxx/Sad/Worm/Mohab on the list.

I was pushing Sad and Slaxx mainly.

I gave Slaxx a town pass, and moved off of Sad Sheep.

I actively dropped my mislynch paths that were built up to push Worm? Someone I easily could have defended by just saying “his posting style is NAI.”

Spoiler:

So here’s the deal.

I haven’t caught up to know exactly what’s going on, but I heard 2 cops were a thing.

What we do now is we just let them both live for a day or 2, one of them will probably be night killed, and that way we get investigative reports.

We can start killing them Day 3.

Don’t JK them Night 1, Night 2 you can gambit it.

If ever we get a flip on one of the cops, if town, cool we can trust their results. If scum, don’t put any stock in it.

No would he town clear his buddy? Or he would never town clear his buddy. Just straight up don’t take any of it to heart.

Slaxx would Lynch
Mohab500 would Lynch
chennisden meh, let’s keep him around
Emperor flippyNips would not lynch
Flavor Leaf never lynch
Tchill13 fine keeping this around
Sad Sheep lets lynch
PenguinPower keep around
Enter keep around
Not_Mafia keep around
Jibril meh, let’s keep him around
Persivul keep around
Dr Worm would Lynch


So anyone who I put as keep around I think there’s reason to believe they could be town, or if they are scum, it’ll come out, and going deep into that would harm our PR’s at this point. My “meh’s” are because I pseudo town read those slots.

Sad Sheep, Mohab500, worm, Slaxx is where we should be looking at then. From the positioning of the game, there’s likely scum in there, and I doubt any of them get town blocked.

If you wanna dig deeper into my keep around, so be it. I just don’t think players like Tchill/Penguin are worth pushing right now at Day 1. Everything that could come up is NAI, and if they’re town, it’ll probably show later.

Tchill was JK, enter was cop, NM ascetic cop?

Or did I mess that up.

Nice.

Simple fix.

Enter cops NM.

NM cops anywhere else.

Honestly, debating Jibril JK on NM, and just take the one clear, but yeah, don’t do that Jibril.

Jail for the night kill stop, or the night kill defense outside of NM. We can have the cops be killed off.

Well, like you, I don’t think I make sense as an early lynch either, so keep that paranoia coming for a day or two.

VOTE: Dr Worm

I’m down to go here, and end the day. He’s in the group of people I’m cool having die, and he’s going to be completely hidden and unreadable because of his posting style.

Also, if this flips red, I can consider Persivul more than likely town.

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FL sitting there now thinking of a way to get out of this 1 v 1 but I won't be letting that happen \o/

What do you mean thinking of getting out of the 1v1?

I’m literally not trying to get anyone EXCEPT for you lynched.

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@Slaxx - you gotta move off of me. You’re gonna hate me, but I might be flipping on Flips again.

I am town. You need to see that if you’re town.

How would you like me to help you see that?

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Actually, it’s probably Vedith and Jibril.

Fuck.

Slaxx, I’m flip flopping because I’m town doubting my reads. How would you like me to help you see that?

Assume we’re talking about this post game after I’ve been mislynched. What would you have wanted me to do differently here. This is after all the flip flops happened, because I can’t take that back nor do I feel like I should hide those thoughts.

That’s me being as transparent as I can because I’m trying to game solve, and it just happens. You’re gonna doubt reads.

What would you like me to do to help you not mislynch me today?

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FL sitting there now thinking of a way to get out of this 1 v 1 but I won't be letting that happen \o/

What do you mean thinking of getting out of the 1v1?

I’m literally not trying to get anyone EXCEPT for you lynched.

Scum FL denying that he fucked up
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Vedith’s been blatant misrepping and pushing a fake narrative with me trying to get out of this 1v1.

I am absolutely not trying to get out of this.

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Vedith knows I don’t panic as scum too, I just get frustrated and use my scummates to help me out of situations.

I am not doing that here.

This is ScumVedith.



@Persivul - I brought up Warlocking in our neighborhood last night in regards to Vedith. He’s doing it to Slaxx now.

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You know what...

Yes. If Vedith flips town, I will self vote tomorrow despite that being a game losing situation.

I am that confident in ScumVedith here.

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You panic when against me because you know I'm a stubborn fuck as town.
And you stupidly tried to push me as Scum.

Easy game easy money.

I don’t push you when I’m scum.

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I literally deal with RadiantCowbells as scum and actively go to 1v1 him. That panic on stubborn townies is a blatant misdisplay of character to fit your own agenda.

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This is classic ScumHatcheting by Vedith.

No cases, no defense, no comments on the actual townie gameplay defenses.

Just discredit, discredit, discredit, and repetition with the scum name.

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UNVOTE:

FL, go move your boxes. I am literally reading an article on how addicting technology and the internet can be while doing an assignment for my MBA, yet here we both are, needing to do something else.

Let me take a day off from the thread, shed some cognitive biases, and I'll be back on tomorrow and we can discuss things. You'll have your stuff done and I won't have these three assignments on my mind.

Sounds good.

Will let Persivul and Jibril come in too.

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I normally build a case when I'm Scum If we want to use meta.

You’ve been casing, just to fit your own agenda, so by your own voice, you’ve been scummeta’d here.

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You just do the short 1 line cases with your page 51 thing.

That’s casing, so i guess that part of my thing was wrong

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It’s Jibril/Vedith.

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Master was the only person left who defended me. I'm bored now. Wanted to die at night but the Werebeasts like me too much. Lynch me.

I’m still kind of defending you. That’s just one of my options.

If you are town, then vedith is 100% scum, simple as that. You moving away from that gives Kerit to my Vedith/Jibril scum theory.

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There’s a few other theories, like flips/Vedith and Slaxx/Vedith

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Sorry for trying to think for myself. I was wrong about everything in this game so I can be wrong about him too.

There’s no other pairings that work, though...Tchill doesn’t make sense to not go at me here, so he’s town.

Slaxx is unvoting so he’s probably town that scums hoping plays for them.

Flips/Persivul just would be relying on us tearing each other apart and not figuring out.

Vedith is like lock scum if you’re town

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@FL why are you going back and forth on Flip?

Because I’m at the point where I keep second guessing my reads and covering my bases so I don’t miss something.

You also go townier because you started working with me, so if you aren’t scum, that reopens the likelihood he is, mixed in with thinking about what he said about catching me as scum, when I really don’t think he has. I haven’t played mafia with him in person too much, and when we have, I don’t think I’ve been caught, persay.

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I also get quick lynched Day 1 in face to face mafia because I generally play all open/semi open setups so we don’t have to have a mod, so whoever dies Day 1 mods. I’m generally the main one who can handle it when we play with a bunch of newbies.

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We’re in a classic situation of

“i know you’re scum, but you can’t do anything about it.”

I’m just generally on the scum side of that equation so this is odd.

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Why aren't you OK with lynching jibril here? You said vedith/Jibril right?

Ring her up, I’ll hammer.

I’m not sold on that idea, but Jibril distancing from Vedith is meh.

It’s Vedith/Jib or Vedith/Flips at this point. Off chance of Persivul, but I just don’t see Persivul’s scum agrnda

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Can we just kill Vedith...?

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VOTE: Vedith

Get me out of this game.
FL if you're town here I won't be playing with you ever again.

Because I think you’re scum because you’ve been tunneling me when I’m town?

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That’s some strong AtE, and AtE is a weakness of mine. Hmm

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Instead of getting upset, as town, people should try and get others to see why they are town, and I’ve just been getting pushed the past day phase and a half, so of course I’m going to think it’s scum motivated especially with how other players react to said push.

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I didn’t say I’d do it right away. Vedith is L-1. Is Jibril?

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Yeah, Jib isn’t even L-1

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Did somebody say L-1?

VOTE: Jibril

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Vedith and Slaxx became locktown for me that night.

Good kill.

I probably would have lynched Flips, though.

Tchill played me.

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Tchill played me.

This would have been the hardest sort for me if I made it to Lylo.

I knew something was off the second Vedith like spewed town to me. I shouldn’t have hammered Jibril.

I KNEW she was town, and I doubted it for like a second.

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Because I trusted you, Tchill!

That’s the 2nd time you’ve done it to me, and both times, I’ve been slightly suspicious, and went “oh, fuck. Tchill’s definitely scum.”

And then proceeded to town read you again.

Beginning of Day 2, I even said “why’d you kill blah blah”

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You learned after that first game we ever played together. And I got you day 1, then we won as scum together.

I’m trying to have a strong town game this year. That’s where my focus is gonna be.

I feel I played pretty well here for the most part.

I messed up with Sad Sheep. I think my Vedith read made sense with the way I was being pushed so hard, and I regret hammering Jibril.

I feel Chill would have been on me hard had I not hammered.

I think it was a well played game by scum. I’m going to take what worked from this game, and trust my reads more, and be weary of my blindspots, especially when I know Chill’s a blindspot of mine.

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I also hate the town power addition thing. It’s just stressful playing as scum, but still just as beatable, tbh.

I like giving scum some negative utility in setup, but I like daytalk.

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I believe you seen me play a game I never got back into once losing interest SS. I had lost interest the first 2 days but did catch up this game.

I'm also unsure why nobody persued the fact that I didn't get in the neighborhood. My number one concern coming into lylo was explaining that. Nobody even bothered.

I kept trying.

No one answered me.

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Can we talk about the fact that tchill didn’t get into the neighborhood despite Persivul using the action.

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We can talk about a hell of a lot of things. What about 2 ppl bringing up balance issues and jibril not pushing persivul at all? Want to talk about that?

Oh my god.

This was immediately after.

This is the most hilarious thing you’ve ever done.