Mini-Normal 2070 is done

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VOTE: John pierce gant

My love for Dave usually results in a negative outcome but oh well. The heart wants what the hear wants.

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Heart. The heart wants what the heart wants.

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Miller claim out the gate is something I haven't seen scum do yet on this site even though there's obvious motivation for it. Not sure how I feel about it but I'm not gonna demand the lynch atm.

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Any competent group of town makes sure the Miller is lynched before lylo if we ever reach that point. I propose we carry on as normal and if we're pushed to that brink THEN we with it.

Yes it's essentially dead man walking.

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VOTE: notanaxehole

Cool name btw.

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Exactly. It's not like he gets Immunity or something. His Actions will determine his alignment here.

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As for voters of axehole. I do believe it's more likely the self vote is a scum gambit opposed to the Miller claim.

That's 100 percent personal bias based on what I've seen from this site. I understand other ppl may have had different experiences.

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So basically we have 2 things we're go declare as wifom and RC has a confident scum read already. Man this is like day 3 level solving.

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It's page 3 and I think you're full of it RC. Being cryptic helps nobody and it becomes a personal solve vs trying to work with others. You do you though. I'm not a fan of the style.

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I've heard you're like decent around here though, you do you my man lol. I'm just not a fan of solo solving.

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Lol "you're scum because you voted me for doing something scummy". Great argument there from that guy in your previous game haha.

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However much this sounds like parroting Tchill, refusing to speak your mind when we’re all trying to sort and analyze just looks like you’re trying to look active without doing anything. Which does not earn you town-points. It’d be one thing if you were trying to get a reaction out of people. But right now you’re just calling attention to yourself and then not following up on it. Not great.

What have I done that is comparable to parroting? How am I calling attention upon myself without following up?

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Lol I've played with A50.

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Well this is interesting.

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Should I ask for a claim before I vote him or just vote there?

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VOTE: inferno

He only has 3 votes atm no need for a claim yet.

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We're on PG 4...RC has (apparently) got inferno dead to rights and it seems like ppl have no issue following him (including myself).

Other than RC I don't think anyone has a VALID reason. I'm not a tone reader. I'm doing it because RC seems so sure. The only thing that makes me hesitant is axehole hops right onto the inferno push with a lot of confidence when axehole was the other wagon. Seems survivalistic to me.

Of course these thoughts don't matter unless inferno flips town. Of course he isn't going... Right?

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Falling prety to what charisma

inferno is literally confirmed scum.

If he's conf scum try explaining it again, like we're kindergarteners. Are you comfortable with axehole being so confident as well? When it seemed that other than inferno he was the leading wagon?

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I welcome scum flips day 1. I also regularly propose chainsawing day 1 wagons when that happens.

It was rvs until inferno was caught scum yet that isn't exactly a fact.

Also if RC is scum with inferno that'd be hilarious.

I'm enjoying the actions and reactions coming from these events. They're quite helpful to me.

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how can you possibly act like axe being the counterwagon is significant when it was rvs until inferno was caught scum

The significance is that ace is as confident as you are after COINCIDENCTLY being the counter. I don't think the counter wagon matters as much as the confidence given the context.

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I'm willing to completely sheep you here just to see what comes of it.

If you want to double down by defending the confidence axe has then I have my answer I guess.

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Idc and I never will. When someone NAILS scum in the first 5 pages there's always something suspicious about it.

Not only because it involves someone taking a loud stance early but it also displays an irrational amount of confidence for little to no reward. When someone is picked out this early there's almost no way you have enough material to convince a group that's the lynch. It's almost counter productive because you'll have ppl begin defending him just to do it.

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I mean seriously what's the reason for it? Because for you to resort to "he's obv scum" so quickly makes me believe you just assumed ppl would lynch just to lynch. Or you assumed everyone would agree with you on a minimal amount of content.

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OK. Irrational confidence. That's reason enough.

Never seen "obv scum" work once a push started losing traction.

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Idk. I think the jury is still out on inferno. I was a little disappointed with what came of that discussion.

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UNVOTE:

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i also feel like you're his buddy, trying to pretend that you're willing to vote him but always making excuses.

That's cool man. The guy fighting you on the lynch because of minimal info just so happens to stick his neck out early instead of going with the flow. Pretty elementary stuff coming from you RC.

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I did take a hard stand. I welcomed the opportunity to work with you. Let you have my vote. Listened to an underwhelming pitch. Stated that the jury is still out on inferno then unvoted. Do I know his alignment yet? No. That's specifically the issue I have with your case. There's not enough information I have yet to know his alignment. That's my hard stance. I'd also like to get to know the other players more before the day ends. I'm trying to reasonable. I apologize I am not good enough to see that inferno is scum so early.

I think it's a good point that I'm the biggest obstacle to the lynch but voted there. I'm trying to show that I have no issue working with others as long as I agree with the thought process.

You seemed confident, I sheeped, asked for more in depth reasoning and you, supplied me with "obv scum". Not good enough for me. Sorry.

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Ik nothing about RC. I didn't know who he was when I played my, first newbie game here and I just so happened to try and pin my, scum win in lylo on him choosing wrong lol. Good times, good times.

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ITT both Tchill and Inferno390 are discrediting the reads of a player who is 7/4 on main this year and 3 of those 7 were perfect victories.

As I said ik nothing about you lol.

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So I guess it's time to start talking about my second read that I referenced way back... I'm kind of leaning scum on Tchill at the moment.

Inferno is always the first lynch here. To be honest, the fact that the votes are so spread out and not piling up on Inferno is probably an indication that we're right too.

Why the scum lean?

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VOTE: erzascarlett

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Well I'm not going to request replacement unlike the other two axehole called scum lol.

I think it's odd I'm scum with inferno (who I apparently stuck my neck out for to avoid his mislynch) then I immediately bus my scum buddy.

That if you're following axe's logic.

Town do weird things. I don't exactly see the benefits of what rc is doing if he's scum. Now axe I can see scum motivation for but yes I'd like to get reads on separate players before the day ends.

Seems like axe and RC really tried to take control of the game with their push on inferno and then used ego to put those down who didn't see the "obv scum".

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RC sticks his neck out FIRST. axehole is right behind him after getting a few votes on himself and is JUST AS confident as RC. it's odd...

Neither player should be that confident. Then both agree that the only player pointing out they shouldn't be that confident that early is scum.

(when you result to "he's obv scum" after getting pressed for more explanation when you've only explained it once... Yeah, not a whole lot of reason there)

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Also is Stefan the only person axe has given a TR with not so good justification? Is that the plan? Tell everyone inferno is obv scum. Call anyone scum who opposes that theory then call everyone else town so you can lynch the opposed?

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Town reading RC because he knows it'll bite him if inferno flips town IS NOT a good idea.

There's one thing that consistently makes players throw caution to the wind here and its ego. Yes I believe rc is egotistical enough as town to KNOW he's caught scum before page 5, truly believe it, then still be wrong about it.

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So I guess it's time to start talking about my second read that I referenced way back...

I'm kind of leaning scum on Tchill at the moment.

Inferno is always the first lynch here. To be honest, the fact that the votes are so spread out and not piling up on Inferno is probably an indication that we're right too.

If you could go into more detail on this, that would be great. In my previous game with Tchill, he was scum and he didn't make it very far (iirc he was very lurky but that might have been due to RL stuff) and his play here doesn't resemble his play there at all imo.

Yeah that game literally shouldn't count in my meta lol. Got super busy it was an abysmal effort. Don't TR me just because I'm not lurking. If you want to use meta you need to actually go read a few of my games. Of course I don't use meta at all because I'm too lasy to do that.

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Let's play a little game shall we?

Inferno390(4)-

RadiantCowbells

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NotAnAxehole

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John Pierce Gantt

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Vorkuta

John Pierce Gantt(2)-

davesaz

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RuiRui

NotAnAxehole()-

Inferno390

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Egix96

RadiantCowbells(1)-

themilkcartonkid

Skellen(1)-

ErzaScarlet

Erza Scarlet(1)-

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Not voting:

chennisden

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Skellen

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.

Town

Power

Null

Scum

Well that was fun, it seems like the Inferno wagon built so much early confidence that scum got really confused and forgot that they should be bussing.

I literally just won a scum game because I bussed day 1. Come on now.

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Axe is coming off as egotistical, refuses to go in depth about reads, scoffs at those who don't see how obvious things are and has handed RC a hard TR due to (well its a bad look if inferno flips town which would keep RC from doing this, regardless of how confident RC is in his own reads) then has proceeded to hand TR's out among others who fit the narrative based on PoE and mostly gut read material.

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I'll have to ISO you JPG. sorry for kinda just glancing at your posts.

I disagree with the overly generalized statements because you're essentially discrediting my points with one word but OK.

Makes axe mafia in most cases.

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It's kinda funny because people are going "RC I don't believe you" and yet

none

of them bothered to respond to what I said about Inferno.

This is true mostly because I got caught up in what axe/RC were saying to give too much importance to the rest of the thread.

John pierce Gantt aka jp Gantt aka jp has his head on straight, makes good points. I'm fine with an inferno lynch today.

(I typed JPG before the post edit lol.)

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I'd be very surprised if it was as easy as inferno and erza being scum together but we will see I guess.

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Any idea on a 3rd scum JPG? Because your erza case caught my eye and I liked it.

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VOTE: inferno

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Yep. Gonna be that kind of game. Cool.

Solo gambits never get old.

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Apologies for trying to work with anyone. My bad folks.

I forgot town sucks here because everyone thinks they're better working on their own than working with a group lol.

And shame on you for pushing someone to such frustration on a fake push they replaced out. Never seen that before. I dang sure wouldn't replace back in if I seen that.

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You're right the results were kind of shitty I apologise.
You think that Axe is scum, correct?

I've yet to really take a hard stance. I said axe is more than likely scum. Then I voted inferno and said I was fine with that lynch. Mostly due to the steam it picked up and that he was always in my mind going to be pushed the rest of the game. I wanted some actions and reactions.

Well I got those. Found out I can't trust you the rest of this game so that's nice.

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Are you going to do anything except follow RC this game vorkuta?

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You solo gambit. You lie specifically to make reads for yourself because you're so good at the game that it's OK if everyone else becomes confused because YOU know exactly what's going on.

Same bull shit from most players here. You don't care to work with others you just need their votes. Players like that can't be trusted because you're not right 100 percent of the time and your actions can cost town the game. Of course it doesn't matter because you're not gonna be wrong THIS time because you're just that good.

Why would I trust you? You've made one play. You pushed inferno, called him obv scum when you didn't believe he was obv scum just to do it.

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My statements of RC are null. You can play that way as either alignment. All those statements mean is that you'll be pretty frustrating to play with.

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Tchill. I can't buy any of your reasoning because it comes from an extremely emotional standpoint.
I refuse to process your AtEs- they go in one ear and out the other.

It's factual. Look at this site's town game. All comes from shit like that.

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Anyways I do like Gantt here. He's a TR for sure.

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Tchill what are all your reads?

Well I'm gonna fake every single explanation to you for my own purpose. So don't worry about it.

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Continue to prove my point that you believe you're a God. I mean you may have caught 4 scum in one gambit alone. It's pretty impressive man.

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Apologies to the group this is my one pet peeve. I'll umm... Restrain myself.

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I'm not event trying to defend myself. There's really no case against me. Not one that involves straight forward and logical thinking.

I'm just gonna approach the game a bit differently from this point on.

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Axe obviously hasn't been consistent yet. I think those are good points skelken.

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like basically instead of actually catching you as scum I've just played so many games that I've seen this happen before enough times to have a general grasp of how town and scum respond to it.

it's not really being good at the game, it's just a function of the amount of time i've put into it.

Another classic issue. You believe all types of players respond the same way to your silly gambits.

I'm done complaining about it. I'm done interacting with you and I'm done entertaining this silly game until you play in a reasonable manner.

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Smh. You egotistical maniacs all say it's scum caught for the wrong reasons whenever someone gives a little push back on how anti town your play style actually is.

You literally made someone replace out of frustration of a fake push. You care about no one but yourself.

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So if I full claim can we lynch RC? anybody against that?

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I'm not even sure that I want to lynch you yet. I DO have an issue seeing how this could be scum motivated. I'm also well aware that scum doing things you wouldn't expect scum to do is key.

I'm glad you know I love to fake claim based off one game lol.

And I'm asking other ppl. Not you. Of course you'd be against it.

You are trying to take control of the game in a wrong direction. That's the immediate issue.

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I'm done dude.

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Gantt, skellen and ruirui are my TR's.

I'd entertain lynching axehole, RC or erza.

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That moment you just scowl from the side line because you refuse to post vomit.

If anyone wants my input they'll have to direct a question towards me. Other than RC of course.

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That moment you just scowl from the side line because you refuse to post vomit.

If anyone wants my input they'll have to direct a question towards me. Other than RC of course.

I have a question. Tchill. I'm not 100% sold on you as scum yet, buuuut do you think that axe is scum? Straightforward answer please

I originally thought he could be. He strapped himself to RC pretty tightly early. Now his play as of late has little to no scum motivation in my eyes. If he is scum he's doing a good job of making so much noise that you'd question it. While I'd entertain the lynch it wouldn't be my go to.

I do not think he's scum.

I'd like to lynch erza at the moment.

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Axehole is currently doing the most damage to town. Constantly calling me scum to fuel RC yet refusing to vote me. He's doing it on purpose obviously I just don't know what the purpose is.

I feel like I'm in one egotistical pissing contest. Axe's reasoning for calling me scum is similar to RC's I believe. Which means it's shit.

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Btw, if axe AND tchill flip scum, lynch rc immediately. It's like rc is actually telling them what to do

this is the single dumbest post ever.

Now imagine thinking the same thing about someone's play style

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I think axe is town that's bull shitting RC just for fun.

I think RC is 50/50. He's egotistical enough to actually believe he's right.

He's also good enough as scum that he knows when I or axe flip town he could then defend himself with that because of said flip and how loud he was about pushing it day 1.

If I had to choose I think RC is scum.

I'm also aware that RC sacrifices his town game so he can win more as scum. I hope he's scum so I don't have to put up with that.

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you're claiming that you're deliberately trying to look like scumbuddies with tchill

I'm also aware that RC sacrifices his town game so he can win more as scum. I hope he's scum so I don't have to put up with that.

this is a blatant lie.

I knew that would hit a nerve. I'm also aware of what your town win rate is opposed to your scum win rate.

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The key is RC being SO loud. He's purposefully bringing attention to himself. One of us flip town on an association push where we are both scum and it derails. Someone points out how loud RC was d1 to push an association lynch and bam RC is town read. Because why would scum do that? It's not beneficial right? Exactly. That's how you justify doing it because he'd get a TR out of it. Gotta love some good WIFOM.

That's the only motivation I can see for RC doing what he's doing atm.

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VOTE: RadiantCowbells

At what point should I say this is a fake read? Oh wait I don't do that lol.

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you do understand that they're just meming as outed wolves, right

I only do that with boonskies. Of course you know that you read all of my games.

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I was about to say yall should just ignore axe until he actually does something to prove his SR of me but the claim works I guess.

And my profile pic is of me. I have no idea who this tyrion is you speak of. I thought you were supposed to upload your Facebook pic there.

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You, should give rc a pick axe as well to help him with his tunnel.

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Guessing a team d1 is silly but...

RC, erza, chennisden.

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I thought you were supposed to upload your Facebook pic there.

Giff autograph please peter dinklage

jk I don't watch GoT

give rc a pick

axe

no.
Is there a world where axe who claimed cop is not the NK today?

A world where axe fake claims yeah. Which I wouldn't be surprised with based on how he called me scum but refused to vote me.

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What happened to your Mafia-read on Inferno?

It vanished. *poof* no the way RC played that changed my read on inferno.

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chennisden

Is this meta, or just because you can't find a 3rd?
I'd vote the guy for activity/PL on lurkers.

Im in favor of the possibility that one scum is lurking/has low activity atm.

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Oh, in 490, I meant that in order for Erza needs to be Mafia, Inferno needs to be Mafia too.
Basically pointing out the faultiness of Tchill's reads.

When did I say that?

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Ohhhhh your push on him was due to association and since inferno isn't in my list erza should be town. Gotcha.

I don't care. That's my proposed team.

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it is optimal in several ways to lynch tchill first.

Never in my life has someone wanted me lynched so bad because of ability to avoid being lynched lol. You're something.

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Axe is trolling at this point and his play isn't AI to me.

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Run me up, as much as you'd like just don't hammer because I DO have a claim to make. I'd like to avoid that st all costs. I welcome anyone willing to work with me.

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That's not the question, but I will eventually.

The question is why:

Inferno390(2)-John Pierce Gantt
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui,

exists.

Maybe, just maybe... RC is wrong. Check his win rates he apparently is used to being wrong as town.

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VOTE: John pierce gant

My love for Dave usually results in a negative outcome but oh well. The heart wants what the hear wants.

Exactly. It's not like he gets Immunity or something. His Actions will determine his alignment here.

I'm ascetic. "negative results" in first post. Then realized that's miller. Capitalized "immunity actions" in second post.

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ok

let's lynch the ascetic because it's a very likely scum role in a cop setup

if we didn't, like, need more reasons to scumread tchill

Part of why I believed the Miller claim. I think there's a Miller, ascetic and cop and that'll be the thing revolving around the setup.

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also

why wouldn't he claim that when the cop which he apparently townreads keeps saying they're gonna target him

Because I crumbed it.

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I've also said axe is trolling. I still believe that.

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i don't think ur actually dumb enough to think that there's 2 fake guilties for the cop or to lord your Ascetic claim over everyone else

pedit im not actually the encryptor

No I definitely believe there's 2 fake guilties for the cop. I think it's the theme for the setup.

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Okay

RC and Tchill, please take a 24 break from the thread to cool off and reapproach the game
Because the snark is not helping town at all here.

I'm not being volatile anymore and RC is the one that fake pushed you to the point of you replacing out.

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I crumbed it. Claimed it before the end of d1. I'm not sure what your issue is.

Yes I believe they're both fake guilties.

Once I flip town or the Miller flips town I do believe RC should be lynched.

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My town flip conf scums RC. He knows I'm one of the biggest threats to him here since he's scum and I'm town. I don't bow down to his every move lol. Unlike some ppl.

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Why are you in such a rush to lynch obv scum? If I'm obv scum ppl will figure it out before the end of the day phase right?

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i don't trust townies to not be dumb

Idk why you're complaining. Since you're scum you're the one benefitting from it.

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Seriously though I planned on hard claiming before flip. I crumbed early specifically for that.

I approached the Miller claim because I believed them to be town and I do believe that's the theme of the game.

I didn't handle the axehole thing too well I guess. Due to the fact there's so many "fake associations".

Yeah I should have pushed axe earlier to do something about me but I was grid locked with RC in real time.

I'm pretty frustrated there's no, NO repercussions for a FAKE push gambit on RC's part. Who then tunnels someone that points out how anti town his play style is and how him as scum would benefit from being so loud on day 1 and pushing an association case.

I'm trying to reset again and again because I DO NOT want to be mislynched day 1. Not sure what more yall want from me.

I liked JPG's push of erza because it was something new towards the end of my, spat with RC Failed to realize it was only in, association with inferno being scum. I went along with the inferno push just to see what would happen.

I'm not one that plays the early game in a consistent manner. Never have been. I just know that there's actual scum motivation for what RC is doing in the form of WIFOM.

Axe has more than likely been trolling the whole time.

Other than me and axe RC has been handing out Town reads just to get votes for the lynch. This isnt hard ppl.

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I'm hard claiming VT

No.
You do not get any passes.
No.
There is 0 trust left.

But for RC it doesn't matter. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

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Because I crumbed it.

QUIIIICK question.

Do you have """other/additional""" crumbs in your ISO that you planted/would've used if things went another way?

No. I don't fake claim hardly at all and when I fake claim I do not crumb. I'm certain if you ISOED every game I've played you wouldn't find a scum fake claim that involved a crumb.

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I'm hard claiming VT

No.
You do not get any passes.
No.
There is 0 trust left.

But for RC it doesn't matter. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

i made a deliberate push that i withdrew to get reactions
he claimed cop in a way that could have easily ate a CC then withdrew it later

note that they're both going after me because without killing me there's literally no chance of them surviving today

Dude it wouldn't matter WHO you were pushing. I've already pointed out that you get town points for pushing this so hard once one of us flips town. Because scum wouldn't be so loud day one on an ASSOCIATION push of all things. This is why you're pushing it the way you are. You're scum wanting town cred for doing something scum wouldn't normally do. You could do this push on inferno, RuiRui or whoever. I'd still be singing the same song.

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But for RC it doesn't matter. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

.....?
Kindly point it out (the bit where RC loses people's trust), and the early Inferno push/gambit doesn't count.

Like we're both reading the same

verbal diarrhea

things that RC spews, except I don't detect such blatant BS like
-self vote
-cop claim
-VT claim

Exactly. You're white knighting a solo gambit. You encourage terrible anti town play and you're part of the reason town suck on this site. Because you refuse to hold solo gambit play accountable and scum can get away with stupid plays all day long because of it.

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Yes. I mean, if posting frequent VC's with no vote changes bothers anyone I'll stop.

We're just trolling, please keep on doing good work

and don't modkill us

No. I don't fake claim hardly at all and when I fake claim I do not crumb

I mean you have a miller "fake claim" that you might've used, but then you were like "nah, let's use the ascetic one instead" and tried to get brownie points for the miller crumb.
So was there like a "third" claim that you might've used if ascetic wouldn't've suited the situation?

I was being honest about the mistake of fake claiming ascetic poorly in my first crumb. Even pointed it out. Went and read the wiki about ascetic and properly crumbed ascetic.

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Hi guys, I'm a miller

VOTE: John pierce gant

My love for Dave usually results in a negative outcome but oh well. The heart wants what the hear wants.

But yeah I setup a fake Miller claim in case it benefits me even though someone already claimed Miller...

SMH.

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And why would I fake claim ascetic of all things? As RC just said.

It's always scum here.

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Dude it wouldn't matter WHO you were pushing. I've already pointed out that you get town points for pushing this so hard once one of us flips town. Because scum wouldn't be so loud day one on an ASSOCIATION push of all things. This is why you're pushing it the way you are. You're scum wanting town cred for doing something scum wouldn't normally do. You could do this push on inferno, RuiRui or whoever. I'd still be singing the same song.

Question.
You're stating that the seal is doing bunch of town looking things as mafia for town credit.
Why can't the seal just be town?

There IS a world where he is town I'll give you that. RC isn't conf scum I'm stating there's the possibility of scum reasoning for what he's doing.

Now, guide me through a scenario where we are BOTH town and he tunnels me the rest of day one. For me to want to lynch someone else I'd need to ALMOST KNOW rc is town (I don't) and I'd also have to by some divine miracle navigate this in a way that the whole group lynched someone not named me or rc or the Miller. Since we have what seems to be at least one player, if not 2 sheeping him how would we go about doing that? RC isn't gonna work with me. More than likely will not work with anyone refusing to lynch me. So where do we go from here? Because I do think he's scum. I LEAN scum on him. Doesn't mean he HAS to be scum but I do not know what's being asked of me from others atm that, would allow me to actually contribute.

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OK so RC and Vorkuta are absolutely determined to lynch me. That's fine. I need to know who's willing to at least listen to me.

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There's nothing for me to gain from disputing Vorkuta or RC.

Vorkuta just tried to justify the "multiple fake claim" idea.

RC just said "everything else is obv fake claim I HAD to fake ascetic"

Like come on guys. Obv, obv, obv is all RC is shouting. There is a lack of ability to build on what he has already presented and all he can now say is its obvious. Over and over and over again.

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Holy shit I figured it out

search.php?keywords=miller&t=78820&sf=msgonly
Mini Normal 2058 ScumPT with "miller" in the search bar.

Look at how morality sets up the ascetic/miller gambit.
This is EXACTLY the same shit tchill is trying to pull off in this game.

Am I associated with that game at all?

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RC just said "everything else is obv fake claim I HAD to fake ascetic"

Actually he've been stating that your ascetic claim is real.

So what do I gain by claiming ascetic as scum? You don't think I have any idea what that looks like to the rest of the group? You don't think it'd be more beneficial to me to fake claim something as scum since a Miller has already claimed?

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Chennisden just voting me because I picked his name out of the lurkers.

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More town points opposed to a protective right? That's what I thought huh? That's funny. I must not have a clue how to fake claim.

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Am I associated with that game at all?

Do you deny that pretty much exactly what you're pulling this game, has been quite a very effective gambit in another game? The exact Miller/Ascetic 50/50? You've just refined it by "crumbing"

I don't read other games than the one I'm in my guy. What the actual fuck do you think is going on? I copy successful tricks as scum?

I'm fucking good enough on my own as scum I don't need tips or tricks Lmao.

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If I'm lynched and RC is not lynched the next day phase I will be black listing those on my lynch.

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you also didn't question in the slightest that someone claimed miller and you were ascetic

I said IT WAS THE THEME OF THE SETUP. that's my theory. I actually TOWN READ the Miller claim because I was ASCETIC.

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I copy successful tricks as scum?

I'm not saying you "copied".

I'm just saying- "hey guys, look at the shit I fell victim to last game! does it remind you of something going on in this game?"

Did I ever fall victim to it or did you? Not my fault you're worried about falling for the same trick twice. Ya paranoid jackwagon.

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like

if somehow you and axe aren't SvS and you both just decided to drop your scumreads on each other when i called you scum together you both deserve to lose this game.

Ah yes. Absolve yourself of responsibility. Blame it on others.

You can't tell me how to play. I don't take advice from egos that can fill a 15 player game by themself.

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You ppl are literally making the case for why I would claim anything but ascetic there.

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oof

ruirui spent the whole game shit talking me
tchill spent the whole game shit talking me

but i'm the reason we didn't mislynch vork d2, i'm the reason we ended up lynching inferno d3, and i'm the only one who confidently scumread fumuki d3 as well

Yeah I was gonna black list you but it's a guaranteed victory if I roll scum against you... I guess I'll wait.

As for the rest on that lynch. Definitely black listed.

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I played to my wincon and blindly sheeped RC
I did well?

Really... "thoughtprovoking" game and interesting setup

Yeah this type is worse than RC because if anything you encourage crazy antics and a mega ego.

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A guaranteed win if you roll scum against me

Yeah this was nothing special. Town sided setup and on top of that I seen a few hysterical things as to what to do against town RC. mainly just pander to the ego.

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But if you're surprised that the guy you scum read from a fake push on actual scum... Well OK.

Plus I had more correct reads d1. I did say chennisden was scum. A blind guess.... Further proving my point about day ones Lmao.

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Yeah I was gonna black list you but it's a guaranteed victory if I roll scum against you... I guess I'll wait.

As for the rest on that lynch. Definitely black listed.

tbh after that horribly claimed ascetic you weren't not getting lynched that day

I never lie. I also would have never been lynched IF the style wasn't "OMG RC is a GOD we must listen"

But hey GG's right?... Right.

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You don't respect me and because you don't respect me I would make mincemeat of you in any TvS situation.

I respect the fact that you've created a blind following that worships you on site... Other than that no. I do not respect your game lol. Very toxic. Very egotistical.

Obviously you have good reads but in no way shape or form do you go about playing town in a helpful way to others. And you're obviously more concerned with your scum play. So that's my thoughts on the legendary RC.

I really was genuinely excited to play with you because I've heard how great you are. I was very disappointed that you're play is based off solo gambits.

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If you, want to brag about dominating a clearly town sided setup where you just admitted ppl only listen to you because the attitude here is worship RC... go ahead lol.

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I never lie.

I thought the consensus was that you were not lying about the claim.

Well what were you implying I do in that situation? Where I even stated RC was prob town but I didn't know if there was a way to navigate me and RC both living after d1.

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Wouldn't have mattered RC was tunneling at that point and everyone was just following him.

And yeah I'm def not gonna play with you in the future if that's your comment on solo gambits.

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The answer is take my concerns about you/axehole scum on scum seriously and work with me instead of threatening to blacklist people who don't lynch me the next day.

How can I trust you after you clearly admitted to faking a total push?

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Yeah it's just obvious ppl prioritize their own success, gambits and reads above the ability to work together as town. It's almost actually encouraged now and that's why town's win rate is so low on site.

I appreciate the thought. I was being diplomatic due to my role.

I will say the but about trying to convince others your town.... That's actually good advice imo.

Just tired of egos is all.

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I don't see the logic in working with players that intentionally lie to generate reactions and reads that not all players react the same way to. It's a fundamentally flawed practice. Doesn't matter though because it looks cool when you pull it off...

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is town's winrate so low?

It's lower than it should be based on what I've seen from my time here. Just dumb practices over and over again.

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Basically (I'll only say this once because I've had this discussion with mastina b4) setup mods expect town PR's to play as poor as possible and they expect scum PR's to play excellent which allows them to justify over powered town setups. Now mastina may disagree but that's fine and I respect her opinion.

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And that thought process comes from trying to clean up awful town practices found on a regular basis. Such as solo gambits.

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It's really an easy path to follow. Selfish town player wants to look cool. Gets lucky one of 5 times. Other players follow his lead because they'd like to look cool. Town play on site dips dramatically due to ego and refusal to work with others. Set up mods have to justify town sided setups.

1 plus 1 equals 2.

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Not blaming you. Blaming the ppl that enable you. You're not as good as town as you are scum and you're actually proud of it.

Yeah you probably have better reads than me on a regular basis. You no longer have to manipulate others on your main because of your name.

I bet you have a much harder time playing alt slots.

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I've won all my games where I fakeclaimed as town though.

That's great. Congrats. I wonder how many ppl you've inspired to play that way that fail at it miserably. It's not your problem though right?

Only the ppl that play with those that are inspired to solo gambit in the future are the ones that have to deal with the mess.

For each successful solo gambit I'd easily, easily say there's 8 to 12 unsuccessful ones on site.

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That's SO FUCKING BULLSHIT. YOU DID NOT STOP SCUM READING HIM FOR REPLACING OUT YOU DID IT BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY INTENTION OF PUSHING INFERNO WAS TO SR SOMEONE ELSE OFF OF IT.

Just own up to your fucking mistakes man. Geez.

Like you actually ended up lynching him. You caught him. Stop acting like you're perfect.

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you realize i very very rarely gambit compared to the past because i'm trying to be conscientious of how my play impacts other people, right?

You're doing a pretty fucking terrible job of it.

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i just don't like to present tactical replacing as a reason for reads in the current era of tactical replacing being common.

You're gonna autolynch me every game because you're ego wouldn't be able to stand the chance of me beating you as scum.

Ik how that game goes. You're about as predictable as they come my guy

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Inferno it's bullshit you replaced out. Own up to it. Move on.

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That's fine. Idc if I do. Egotistical players will never value logical opinions if it's not in their favor.

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Yeah inferno that was pretty shitty. It really shows because you replaced back in after losing pressure.

If I was a mod you'd be reprimanded for that sort of thing.

And you don't get to pick and choose who's bs is worse. BS is bs regardless.

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I mean. you know the kind of experience a game with me is going to present. I would not be offended or upset if you decided that it isn't for you and chose not to play with me and I would respect that.

You don't really respect shit.

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i think my method of scumhunting has essentially no counterplay. i have no more difficulty reading the best scum players than the worst and i don't usually struggle against people going all out to fool me.

Yeah thats the point of solo gambits. You, believe you're play is so wonderful that nothing is a counter. There's no correct way to play against it. And the only thing that could go wrong is your ability to read someone. But if you misread town it's towns fault for playing shitty. And if you correctly read scum it's your fault for being so awesome.

Same tune different verse. Same shit different mouth.

You're just like the rest of them.

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Exactly. It literally hurts your soul to take responsibility for even one thing.

I refused to call you scum also. I did however call chennisden scum.

But I should have called axe scum instead of chennisden scum even though axe was town and chennisden was scum.

That's what you're ultimately saying. I got lynched for reading axe correctly and reacting to your fake push on actual scum incorrectly.

Like LOL dude. Do you not see the issue with that?

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And at what point should I not take someone's reads seriously? I didn't know how you played.

I was under the impression that players if town have no incentive to lie but I, was punished for not knowing you're too good for classical town play.

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Only time I ever lie is mass claim and I bread crumb my real role before fake claiming VT.

But Idk. Ppl have their own styles and it's actually useless to try and tell them their wrong.

No law and order equals low town win rate.

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Yeah I could agree with that actually.

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Exactly. It literally hurts your soul to take responsibility for even one thing.

I refused to call you scum also. I did however call chennisden scum.

But I should have called axe scum instead of chennisden scum even though axe was town and chennisden was scum.

That's what you're ultimately saying. I got lynched for reading axe correctly and reacting to your fake push on actual scum incorrectly.

Like LOL dude. Do you not see the issue with that?

I really just want to see how RC responds to this.

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I really just want to see how RC responds to this.

Why do you care?
RC isn't going to think about this in the same way you do, and you both don't have enough respect for the other where this is gonna be a respectful exchange and both of you are ingrained in your positions.

Like I get you have frustrations with him, if you think he is going to change or see this the same way you do, you are wasting effort man.

I don't want him to change. I just want to see what he thinks about lynching me for correctly town reading axe. It's pretty funny.

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How's it a misrep? I may have pushed rc as scum but when I gave my scum team he wasn't in it.

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Put yourself in his shoes and recollect what happened.

Let's say you are convinced that two people are scum bussing each other.
After you mentioned that, those two people magically stopped scumread each other altogether.

Do you think you would not scumread that?

My point is that in the end axe and I read each other correctly and then we're scum read for it.

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Scum get a pass for any and all, actions in a given game. Gotta do what you gotta do to win.

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Well that's at least a good explanation that I haven't thought of. Very well put. I guess maybe I just disagree on how much weight that holds when it comes to setup.

I do believe that's the best way to put it. Informed/uninformed... I like that.

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Yeah I agree about the chat. I'd think that the nigh kill, day chat, informed and statistical lynch likelihood would follow that order.

Of course if you're taking all of this into consideration (especially the ebbs and flows of day chat strength) you must be taking into consideration the ability that you're average town has to work together, communicate and generate correct reads based off of communication. (which I'd assume is at an all time low, or close, maybe I have too high a standard for what a decent town would look like). With that being so weak in the common game here lately... That must also give a hand in giving town more power. So we've talked about 4 (maybe 5 depending on "town... Communication skills") reasons to give town MORE power (and all quite valid I will agree) but at some point it just becomes nauseating. And even too much power can cause a great deal of damage to town itself.

Is there anything at all that town has that gives setup spec the ability to give scum more power? Surely the lynch wouldn't count because that would directly be much smaller a strength than a scum controlled nigh kill.

Which means town's only real power is... Communication, the ability to work with one another. And as you can see on site recently that is even at a very low point (I would hope). So my question is as a setup spec mod (not sure of the title)...

Do you justify the setups by saying town has brought this upon themselves? (a lot of assumptions there ik)

And if so is there really any way to generate a better playing atmosphere for town on site to pull them out of this leaning on stronger town setups due to inability to work together?

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Ppl don't care anymore. There is no dismantling a solo gambit. That kind of thing is encouraged.

And while I respect ppl with different play styles you're talking about something that's egocentric, toxic and not worth the risk for town.

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I'm really just here for mastina at this point.

I'm usually not this toxic and I'm well aware of how it comes off. I apologize for that.

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I don't understand why ppl have the ability to replace back in. Replacing out is THE last resort.

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Oh it's understandable from your pov. No love lost between me or you I was actually impressed with you JPG. thought you played well.

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I'm not gonna black list anybody I was just heated.

I really don't black list players, I try not to start a soap box on a "moral high ground" (failed this time) and I don't personally attack anyone. I hope it's clear that I disagree with and hate an ideology, not RC or any other player themselves.