Mini-Normal 2070 is done

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VOTE: nsg

no me

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VOTE: axehole

Toronto maple losers more like

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No

[RadiantCowbells]

I have seen scum do it

But sometimes town roll miller

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UNVOTE:

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

I have a confident scumread already

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd rather not. If another scum thinks they're the caught one then I might get a nice 2 for 1

[RadiantCowbells]

@_@

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RC, is the scum you?

No it's my scumpartner

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok I'll vote

VOTE: inferno390

Bye bye scum

[RadiantCowbells]

More like scum

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I mean he was caught scum before he made those posts lol

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Elementary, my dear inferno.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok I see how it is
I called you out on your BS confscum claim and so you try to apply pressure to me
Lovely

When people have real reasons for calling me scum, let me know. I’ll be here waiting when they do.

Always a scum reaction lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Why can't every game be this easy

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Elementary, my dear inferno.

We're at -4

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Btw his posting since being called out is absurdly LAMIST. He is trying to sound townie and unconcerned

[RadiantCowbells]

He's actually caught scum just lynch him asap

[RadiantCowbells]

I can have you lynched without giving any more reason than I already have

[RadiantCowbells]

Because it's page 4

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You shouldn’t need more pages. If you need more pages, then clearly your argument (or lack of one) is not persuasive enough to get me lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just lynch

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No like

We're not letting him out a pr

[RadiantCowbells]

Next time don't scumclaim on page one

[RadiantCowbells]

He's scum relax

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Other than that, yea

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Are you SvS trying to spew him town or something

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I think Inferno's doing too much if he is scum at this point. he's protesting too hard, seems too annoyed by the process of it all. That's just the feeling I'm getting.

This is a terrible read. What do you expect him to do, literally zero post when he gets called scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls don't help caught scum not get speedlynched

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You're not town though.

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Falling prety to what charisma

inferno is literally confirmed scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

wow

leading wagon in rvs

lol

[RadiantCowbells]

how can you possibly act like axe being the counterwagon is significant when it was rvs until inferno was caught scum

[RadiantCowbells]

oh dear lord.

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ok

why shouldn't axe be as confident as i am

i think it's like

obvious

that inferno is scum here

like really obvious

i'm more surprised that more people aren't voting him

[RadiantCowbells]

i happen to be pretty good at pushing lynches through.

[RadiantCowbells]

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it's really not.

inferno's scum.

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i also feel like you're his buddy, trying to pretend that you're willing to vote him but always making excuses.

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it's not because you're fighting me on the lynch. several people are fighting me on the lynch. you refuse to openly stand against it or call inferno town yet are actually the biggest obstacle to the lynch. that's scummy.

take a hard stand and we'll talk about me not scumreading you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Question:
Does RC normally threaten people who stop sheeping him?

Answer: you already know the answer.

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ITT both Tchill and Inferno390 are discrediting the reads of a player who is 7/4 on main this year and 3 of those 7 were perfect victories.

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oh tchill isn't discrediting me.

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inferno it's nothing personal you just rolled scum.

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it's not a fallacy to say that a history of correct reads makes me more likely to be correct in this one instance

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feel free to vote me tho. have at me you vagabond.

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i'm going to post undertale music until inferno gets lynched

[RadiantCowbells]

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did someone say ABR?

[RadiantCowbells]

You guys are doing a terrible job of this. It's time for

ME

to take over.

[RadiantCowbells]

'sup. time to learn?

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btw i think ruirui even after just a few posts seems really pure

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Man

UNVOTE:

I just wanted juicy reactions I didn't want to make him replace out

[RadiantCowbells]

Inferno390(4)-RadiantCowbells, NotAnAxehole, John Pierce Gantt, Vorkuta
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui
NotAnAxehole(2)-Inferno390, Egix96
RadiantCowbells(1)-themilkcartonkid
Skellen(1)-ErzaScarlet
ErzaScarlet(1)-Tchill13


Not voting: chennisden, Skellen

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-22 00:00:00)

Nero can you ask inferno to come back

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VOTE: tchill13

I townread inferno btw

Think this read as scum with his hands in the cookie jar

Think davesaz immediate concern about me bussing may be town

[RadiantCowbells]

Believe it or not

His reaction if he were scum would be a lot scummier

[RadiantCowbells]

If you agree tchill13 is scum why not lynch them lol

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You're right the results were kind of shitty I apologise.
You think that Axe is scum, correct?

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Vote Tchill with me please

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Well I got those. Found out I can't trust you the rest of this game so that's nice.

How does this work

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You solo gambit. You lie specifically to make reads for yourself because you're so good at the game that it's OK if everyone else becomes confused because YOU know exactly what's going on.

Same bull shit from most players here. You don't care to work with others you just need their votes. Players like that can't be trusted because you're not right 100 percent of the time and your actions can cost town the game. Of course it doesn't matter because you're not gonna be wrong THIS time because you're just that good.

Why would I trust you? You've made one play. You pushed inferno, called him obv scum when you didn't believe he was obv scum just to do it.

I mean that's at worst null.

How does that extend to let's never trust RC

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VOTE: John

This could be scum as well tbh

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Basically I was sick of games where there wasn't any strong momentum things to catch scum from and I decided to force one here.

I'm sad it led to multiple replace outs.

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Also my .bmp vote is bad and I feel bad for making it

VOTE: tchill13

[RadiantCowbells]

By the way I am currently thinking of {Inferno, Erza, one of chenn/dave}.
I will also quote this after the game ends if I'm correct on all three.

I don't think inferno is actually scum

We cna revisit that later but

Vorkuta why are you voting jpg when you said you would sheep me

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It's ok I won't let you get lynched John

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Axe come vote tchill let's let the wagon chain commence

I need my townblock to vote with me

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Tchill what are all your reads?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also do keep in mind vorkuta that both the people I was ego battling with were scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you voting TMCK

the townblocks gotta stick together

if you think they're scum, can you case them?

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I don't think that this is a playstyle clash.

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by the way

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my top two scumreads on play at this point in the game are Tchill13 and NotAnAxehole

When it seemed inevitable that Inferno390 was going to be the lynch, they were nonstop distancing and taking potshots at each other and calling each other scum in ways that struck me as immensely likely to be SvS
Now that we're no longer on the Inferno390 wagon, despite calling each other scum before, neither are voting each other. I've prompted them for reads on the other and they've ignored me. Axehole naked voted TMCK instead of voting Tchill who he called scum even after the inferno390 wagon ended and with basically no comment on TMCK.

I think that my gambit caught us not one but two scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can actually scum case them both individually and as a team but I'm going to wait and see what they have to say in response to that.

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I don't think that I'm wrong.

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and I mean. I do believe that I'm pretty damn good at this game if you go by results. my results are awesome. I'm actually pretty bad at mafia, I just try a lot harder than others.

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i don't have any actual real talent as town. i started out mediocre. i'm good now because i have an obscene amount of experience and i leverage that experience well.

but there's plenty of people with far less experience who can put in far less effort and have better reads than I can, so.

[RadiantCowbells]

like basically instead of actually catching you as scum I've just played so many games that I've seen this happen before enough times to have a general grasp of how town and scum respond to it.

it's not really being good at the game, it's just a function of the amount of time i've put into it.

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Miller claim out the gate is something I haven't seen scum do yet on this site even though there's obvious motivation for it. Not sure how I feel about it but I'm not gonna demand the lynch atm.

Extremely waffly and thus inherently scummy. You're also not a super wafflish type as town.

VOTE: notanaxehole

Cool name btw.

As for voters of axehole. I do believe it's more likely the self vote is a scum gambit opposed to the Miller claim.

That's 100 percent personal bias based on what I've seen from this site. I understand other ppl may have had different experiences.

This read doesn't really seem to have much basis and to me that makes sense with it being your scumbuddy whom you already know to be scum.

So basically we have 2 things we're go declare as wifom and RC has a confident scum read already. Man this is like day 3 level solving.

It's page 3 and I think you're full of it RC. Being cryptic helps nobody and it becomes a personal solve vs trying to work with others. You do you though. I'm not a fan of the style.

I've heard you're like decent around here though, you do you my man lol. I'm just not a fan of solo solving.

This is a strange response. The two major responses that I had an opinion on were Infernos which struck me as town and hence I went off on him (I 100% wanted to be pushing town there)
and this one which... is really scummy? Calling me full of it because I claim a confident scumread? Calling out my playstyle? The day 3 level solving line? It's all weird.
He's both assigning and awful lot of weight to it and far too little weight to it if you get what I mean, and that strikes me as more likely to be frightened scum than anything else.

Should I ask for a claim before I vote him or just vote there?

VOTE: inferno

He only has 3 votes atm no need for a claim yet.

The focus on the claim feels weird. Hard to inherently call it scummy, but it just feels weird.

We're on PG 4...RC has (apparently) got inferno dead to rights and it seems like ppl have no issue following him (including myself).

Other than RC I don't think anyone has a VALID reason. I'm not a tone reader. I'm doing it because RC seems so sure. The only thing that makes me hesitant is axehole hops right onto the inferno push with a lot of confidence when axehole was the other wagon. Seems survivalistic to me.

Of course these thoughts don't matter unless inferno flips town. Of course he isn't going... Right?

Two big things to focus on here.
1) All the language that Tchill uses that suggests he knows inferno flips town. (apparently) got inferno dead to rights. No one else has a valid reason. "the only thing that makes me hesitant". he isn't going to... right.
That's how scum that knows that they're on a mislynch talks.
2) The treatment of Axehole. "the only thing that makes me hesitant" is SvS indicative phrasing in general and the accusation that he was jumping on his counterwagon in fucking RVS is bogus. again, seems TMI scumread.

Falling prety to what charisma

inferno is literally confirmed scum.

If he's conf scum try explaining it again, like we're kindergarteners. Are you comfortable with axehole being so confident as well? When it seemed that other than inferno he was the leading wagon?

Again, hyper focused on the Axehole angle.

Idc and I never will. When someone NAILS scum in the first 5 pages there's always something suspicious about it.

Not only because it involves someone taking a loud stance early but it also displays an irrational amount of confidence for little to no reward. When someone is picked out this early there's almost no way you have enough material to convince a group that's the lynch. It's almost counter productive because you'll have ppl begin defending him just to do it.

This is a fucking weird post to make. He says there's something suspicious about it, then says that it's not going to work because people are going to defend him. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't follow.
It's just a weird post to make. There's no coherent thought process and it feels like scum rambling.

I mean seriously what's the reason for it? Because for you to resort to "he's obv scum" so quickly makes me believe you just assumed ppl would lynch just to lynch. Or you assumed everyone would agree with you on a minimal amount of content.

OK. Irrational confidence. That's reason enough.

Never seen "obv scum" work once a push started losing traction.

Continuing from before, he argues not

whether or not inferno is town

, but

whether or not I can get inferno lynched with the way I'm doing things

.
Notably, I was in fact refusing to give reasons because I didn't have reasons because I was intentionally wagoning a townread.

i also feel like you're his buddy, trying to pretend that you're willing to vote him but always making excuses.

That's cool man. The guy fighting you on the lynch because of minimal info just so happens to stick his neck out early instead of going with the flow. Pretty elementary stuff coming from you RC.

Totally brushes this off without questioning what it says about my alignment, because why not? I'm calling him SvS with town.

Well I'm not going to request replacement unlike the other two axehole called scum lol.

I think it's odd I'm scum with inferno (who I apparently stuck my neck out for to avoid his mislynch) then I immediately bus my scum buddy.

That if you're following axe's logic.

Town do weird things. I don't exactly see the benefits of what rc is doing if he's scum. Now axe I can see scum motivation for but yes I'd like to get reads on separate players before the day ends.

Seems like axe and RC really tried to take control of the game with their push on inferno and then used ego to put those down who didn't see the "obv scum".

Again the hyper focus on Axe without actually saying anything meaningful about him after calling him scum.

Also is Stefan the only person axe has given a TR with not so good justification? Is that the plan? Tell everyone inferno is obv scum. Call anyone scum who opposes that theory then call everyone else town so you can lynch the opposed?

Again, very SvSish looking posting.

Axe is coming off as egotistical, refuses to go in depth about reads, scoffs at those who don't see how obvious things are and has handed RC a hard TR due to (well its a bad look if inferno flips town which would keep RC from doing this, regardless of how confident RC is in his own reads) then has proceeded to hand TR's out among others who fit the narrative based on PoE and mostly gut read material.

more TMI scumread on Axe

I'd be very surprised if it was as easy as inferno and erza being scum together but we will see I guess.

VOTE: inferno

More posting that suggests that he knows that the dude's flipping town then votes Inferno in spite of that.

I've yet to really take a hard stance. I said axe is more than likely scum. Then I voted inferno and said I was fine with that lynch. Mostly due to the steam it picked up and that he was always in my mind going to be pushed the rest of the game. I wanted some actions and reactions.

Well I got those. Found out I can't trust you the rest of this game so that's nice.

Deflects from me asking him about Axehole, and then for the remainder of the game continues to not talk about Axehole despite, while there being a wagon that overshadowed Axehole, him being their top priority to discuss.

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I'm not event trying to defend myself. There's really no case against me. Not one that involves straight forward and logical thinking.

I'm just gonna approach the game a bit differently from this point on.

like basically instead of actually catching you as scum I've just played so many games that I've seen this happen before enough times to have a general grasp of how town and scum respond to it.

it's not really being good at the game, it's just a function of the amount of time i've put into it.

Another classic issue. You believe all types of players respond the same way to your silly gambits.

I'm done complaining about it. I'm done interacting with you and I'm done entertaining this silly game until you play in a reasonable manner.

Also: people commented that Inferno was responding scum caught for the wrong reasons?

THIS

is scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also nothing pisses scum off more than when I derptunnel someone and stop derptunneling them. I've seen scum get mad about that, so, so many time.

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Oh and from the other side:

Regarding his first ten posts, he basically said nothing about why he was scumreading Inferno. Which is moderately fine if it was just a reaction test, but it did feel like open wolfing to me. Only lightly though. Not main reason for scumread there.

So I guess it's time to start talking about my second read that I referenced way back... I'm kind of leaning scum on Tchill at the moment.

Inferno is always the first lynch here. To be honest, the fact that the votes are so spread out and not piling up on Inferno is probably an indication that we're right too.

Two things: one he calls tchill scum in a very distancey way, and then openly says that Inferno is always the first lynch her. So basically: tchill is scum but we're never lynching them today.

So it's fairly straightforward.

RC knows that by being assertive so early on a target and pushing this hard for a lynch will automatically come back to bite if the flip is town. I am aware of this too (and probably shielding RC from it a bit at the same time) - There is little to no incentive for either of us to do this as town, especially given none of you have meta on me.

JPG is just correct in his analysis, if in some world you and ErzaScarlet both flip town, I will re-evaluate his need to respond to what seems to be caught scum. I don't know him, so he gets the benefit of the doubt.

3/13 town... Let's keep going.

Skellen is very straightforward, just getting real Towny vibes from him all around. Scum hunting, good job.

Davesaz and ruirui have no business pushing JPG right now as scum, it's clear we aren't lynching him and it feels like a town counter-wagon. Ruirui to be re-evaluated if it looks like we're going towards LyLo... But eh...

So that's 6/13

Egix96 seems like confused Towny, I understand the vote on me. The timing isn't convenient, so I don't think scum make that leap.

Vorkuta doesn't make sense as scum for me either due to his day 1 posting and voting.

Day 1 PoE of 5:
Themilkcartonkid is just the least of my town reads, probably doesn't deserve to be on this list, but I seem to remember there was one post I was like hmmm... Idk, otherwise nothing memorable, which is probably why he's here.

Has my null read even posted? I'm not even going to go back to look up his id.

Tchill13 is the weakest of my scum reads, but still... He seems to be looking one way, voting another... And generally overly justifying things that don't actually matter.

ErzaScarlet was captured perfectly in two posts by JPG, go look for it. I don't care to.

Inferno is the embodiment of Pikachu, he's loud and fluffy and just makes noises that nobody can understand. You think it's cute, but then when you have to listen to it all day, you realize it's just a rat that is trying to fuck shit up in your house. Regardless of flip, this is a good lynch for town at LyLo -3

This is an

AWFUL

readslist.

@Axe:
I disagree about the scumread on Tchill as I think most of his posts are really reasonable and cooperative (in a townish manner). I could subscribe almost most of his posts in his exchange with RC as they mirror my problem with the Inferno wagon, so maybe that's just my bias. But I can see where you are coming from here given the possible associations of scum!Inferno. What interests me more on your scumread is that you already had on him in #84 (if you meant Tchill back then). I was rereading all of Tchill's posts until then but nothing really pinged me there besides maybe the talk about the weird RVS self-vote scum gambit (which however originally came from dave). What made you vary of him in the early pages?

Regarding Inferno, what is it that nails him down as

confirmed

scum? For me that's a heavy term as it equals an investigative guilty check (imo), which is exactly why I think it should be backed up. Originally I thought Inferno's reaction to the wagon on him where it looked like he was caught red-handed was the the argument as RC underlined it in #81, but he said it was even before that. I really would appreciate a quote of said post with 1-2 lines to dumb it down. Not even asking for a PhD thesis here.

You're clearly town, I'm clearly town. Why don't we wait for a flip before scum hunting each other? I doubt the need to scum hunt between us will ever really be there given the current game state.

Inferno basically scum claims in the ability shared by JPG, calling me biased (town) while still "scum reading me" and his vote is still on me. Anyway, not much point, he's been obv scum tone since minute 0.

Two things.
1) Skellen townread feels TMI.
2) The "inferno basically scum claims" bit doesn't really mesh with the fact that in the readslist he basically said that Inferno was a policy

Is it standard for people to replace out when they start losing? Like, can we just hammer the slot?

I mean, Tchill13 is scum, but I don't see why we don't lynch the inferno slot?

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

Then a third time: pushes the inferno lynch, agrees that Tchill is scum, but tried to redirect to inferno, then votes someone who isn't Tchill when Inferno is no longer a wagon.

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I believe you that you hate my playstyle, but you're still caught scum.

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Btw I read 2060, I know that you love fakeclaiming as scum. You're not gonna get out of this by claiming some dumb PR.

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Also it should be

pretty fucking obvious

that my case on you and Axehole is town motivated and given that you agree that Axehole is scum (or so you claim) why aren't you trying to lead there?

Why are you trying to use a claim as leverage to lynch me when you have not once this game expressed a scumread on me?

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I read Tchill's entire game history during the Inferno wagon btw because I was always planning on leading on him after. Just wanted to see what Axe and him would do because it felt like theatre from the get go.

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But you scumread Axehole, no? And given that I've called you SvS you should at the very least be

amenable

to going there instead and it would look really bad for me if I wasn't. Yet you haven't offered that compromise.
Like if you were legitimately a town power role in this situation, I would expect your immediate reaction to be to derail onto our mutual scumread not... whatever this is.

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Particularly given that Axehole's refusal to go after you should look just as bad from your point of view as it does from mine. He called you scum repeatedly, but won't go after you. Yet... nothing from you about him. still.

[RadiantCowbells]

Ok. Sorry about the bad bounce. gl in your future games.

[RadiantCowbells]

Axehole anything to say or are you done as well?

[RadiantCowbells]

I apologize, I did not mean to instigate replacements.

[RadiantCowbells]

I support axe lynch tentatively

but you

have

to lynch Tchill13 after assuming Axe flips scum

i'm going after tchill right now because they are a much more competent scum player who is more than capable of convincing yall to not lynch them tomorrow with me dead.

[RadiantCowbells]

like axe is just open wolfing, tchill is trying to go the distance and is thus much more threatening imo and no part of tchills reaction suggests that i'm wrong on both of them.

[RadiantCowbells]

i think there are a shit ton of super towny slots

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eez guys. Take a short break Tchill, sleep over it and don't claim. You aren't even near L-1. Lynching RC is a bad idea when there are hotter irons, even although I am not a fan of that fake push either despite it having some useful merit.

Will examine RC's posts regarding Axe and Tchill tomorrow as I have just skimmed through them, it's too late here.

I don't understand what you're saying wrt hotter irons and not being a fan of the fake push: please clarify?

[RadiantCowbells]

i agree with all but one of your reads and that read is on skellen.

[RadiantCowbells]

if i had to fully guess the scumteam it would be {Tchill13, Skellen, NotMyAxehole} with significantly less confidence on Skellen obviously but she doesn't sit right with me for various reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

And she was universally townread in the last scum game where I had locked her scum on the first couple of pages so I'm really about everyone townreading her.
My big concern with Tchill13 / Axehole was that they were masons deliberately playing scummy and that is luckily confirmed as not happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

She has too many interactions with Axe/Tchill imo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not even voting you

[RadiantCowbells]

Come vote the person you called scum, Tchill, please.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll have to go back and iso Inferno... The other two on my wagon are essentially conf town.

why are you still refusign to talk about tchill

[RadiantCowbells]

you understand that

BOTH

slots are refusing to talk about the other, right? This goes both ways. please be sure you lynch tchill tomorrow. don't bring skellen to endgame either pls

[RadiantCowbells]

they don't because they're both caught scum and they're just trying their best not to spew each other scum any more so that hopefully they don't both die.

[RadiantCowbells]

Axehole is even self voting to make sure that the wagon hits him so that it doesn't derail to Tchill

[RadiantCowbells]

Axehole is even self voting to make sure that the wagon hits him so that it doesn't derail to Tchill

Yeah, Tchill is scum

but u wont vote him

[RadiantCowbells]

they're svs lol

[RadiantCowbells]

Btw, if axe AND tchill flip scum, lynch rc immediately. It's like rc is actually telling them what to do

this is the single dumbest post ever.

[RadiantCowbells]

Axehole is even self voting to make sure that the wagon hits him so that it doesn't derail to Tchill

Yeah, Tchill is scum

Nah, I don't think Tchill is scum.

:THINKING:

[RadiantCowbells]

if you don't see that they're obviously both scum then i don't even know what to say here.

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't.... really need to spell out how they're transparently both scum right

[RadiantCowbells]

you're claiming that you're deliberately trying to look like scumbuddies with tchill

I'm also aware that RC sacrifices his town game so he can win more as scum. I hope he's scum so I don't have to put up with that.

this is a blatant lie.

[RadiantCowbells]

you're claiming that you're deliberately trying to look like scumbuddies with tchill

I'm also aware that RC sacrifices his town game so he can win more as scum. I hope he's scum so I don't have to put up with that.

this is a blatant lie.

I knew that would hit a nerve. I'm also aware of what your town win rate is opposed to your scum win rate.

63% vs 100%

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They're both trying to instigate me getting pissed off in the hopes that I'll discredit my own read by getting emotional, by the way.

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i'm interested in reading what you guys are saying about me in the scum pt

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these are some spicy lolcats

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these are some nice lolcats

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you do understand that they're just meming as outed wolves, right

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they're literally outed lol

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and yet you won't vote tchill despite oodles and oodles of prompting

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Are you claiming cop?

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ok

guess we're lynching tchill then since axehole claimed cop

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he's trying to out the cop

let's just lynch tchill on the 0.04% chance that he's actually cop

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although i'm ngl i expect tchill to cc cop

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i mean

axehole is scum

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they're scum

so is tchill

they're just trying to make sure tchill survives because tchill has a chance of convincing you dolts that he's town

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hi welcome to the freest town win of your life

tchill and axehole are outed wolves

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it is optimal in several ways to lynch tchill first.

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feel free to read the game yourself if you don't believe me that they're literally outed wolves

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he's scum though

but so is tchill

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just read the game. its 20 pages.

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just read the game

once you've read the game you'll realize there's very little need for discussion rn

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why not lynch the person who you kept calling scum all game

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why not lynch the person who you kept calling scum all game

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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ok

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like jingle

u have to understand how we got here

to understand what's going on here

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Maybe, just maybe... RC is wrong

My consciousness is slightly bugging me, so I'll say it.

I've seen RC say someone is "lockscum" (Creature in Mini2058) in a completely non-gambitty/serious way, and then after a while proceeded to 180 and conf!town the guy.
So I'd like to believe that RC can step it up and see that he's making a mistake this game as well and will fix it.

i was never 100% on creature scum. i just felt like it was worth pushing him as if he was to see how he reacted to it. i did scumread him at the time, though.

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i'm pretty dang close. not literally 100%. i would be fucking amazed if you flipped town.

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i'm not gonna vote him i'm gonna vote tchill

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no

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please do not counterclaim axehole

please do not indicate that he is confirmed scum for the claim.

just vote his scumbuddy tchill13

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you're wrong on tchill. the fact that they refuse to vote each other confirms them both as scum. he's also scummy. he's just a better scum player than you're used to dealing with.

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he's cop boys

ring 'er up

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so let's lynch tchill and then axe can claim a result tomorrow

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vote tchill first since axehole has claimed cop

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secret for now

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there's only one scum slot in the remainder so its not like

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ok

let's lynch the ascetic because it's a very likely scum role in a cop setup

if we didn't, like, need more reasons to scumread tchill

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also

why wouldn't he claim that when the cop which he apparently townreads keeps saying they're gonna target him

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basically

he's ccing ruirui

and has a scum indicative role

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OKAY EVERYONE NO ONE'S LYNCHING ME

I AM THE ENCRYPTOR

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vorkuta's previous game with me

i called 2 scum svs on page 5

i led a lynch on scum d1

and my other two scumreads were both scum

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ok
but like
there's 2 caught scum

i'm not spectacularly interested in scumhunting the last one right now, sorry.

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i don't think ur actually dumb enough to think that there's 2 fake guilties for the cop or to lord your Ascetic claim over everyone else

pedit im not actually the encryptor

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ok so like

that's not gonna prevent a cop from targetting you

that DOES help you talk your way out of a no result but it doesn't help prevent the cop from targetting you in the first place. which is pretty scum motivated.

not to say that you literally cannot be dumbtown, but it seems unlikely.

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definitely

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sorry i mean

DeFiNiTeLy

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yeah but u dont know my reads so you can hardly give them

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....?

no

tchill is caught scum

we are lynching them

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i want you to keep doing what you're doing but post more undertale memes

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yeah

tchill then: we gotta lynch the miller before endgame
teacher now: the miller and ascetic are definitely BOTH fake guilties and also i didn't claim ascetic despite openly knowing that it's a good thing to claim

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look if 1 scum claims cop and 1 scum claims ascetic we're obviously lynching the ascetic claim can we hurryyyyyyyyy

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ruirui

i think you're pretty awesome

but i don't understand how you don't realize that he's an outed wolf

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HAHA NERO

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I crumbed it. Claimed it before the end of d1. I'm not sure what your issue is.

Yes I believe they're both fake guilties.

Once I flip town or the Miller flips town I do believe RC should be lynched.

oof

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My town flip conf scums RC. He knows I'm one of the biggest threats to him here since he's scum and I'm town. I don't bow down to his every move lol. Unlike some ppl.

how the hell is hypothetical you one of the biggest threats to me lol

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i don't trust townies to not be dumb

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try this

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btw

real cop

don't be dumb and investigate your cc

check skellen or something

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this game is fun

i wish more town games were like this

i hate struggling to find scum

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Ok, serious purely theoretical question. No snark, no implied reads, no nothing.

Why are you in such a rush to lynch obv scum? If I'm obv scum ppl will figure it out before the end of the day phase right?

You are, using your own terms, a dead man walking.
Is there a reason why we should not lynch you?

longer the game goes on the more opportunities he gets to try to talk himself out of this

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I do think it's pretty weird that he waited this long, but also I think ascetic is a weird fakeclaim as scum here (but maybe that's why he would make it)

he likely is ascetic, and he's already softed it, so...

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don't ask stupid questions like THAT vorkuta.

always pagetop vc

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my response was mostly a joke btw.

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yes its normal

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I do think it's pretty weird that he waited this long, but also I think ascetic is a weird fakeclaim as scum here (but maybe that's why he would make it)

he likely is ascetic, and he's already softed it, so...

Oh, but you think he's scum anyway?

yes i think that he is ascetic scum. it makes sense to have an ascetic scum in a cop setup. prevents the cop from 3-up 3-downing the scumteam hypothetically.

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given 2058 happened i already know the NRG really sucks at their one job

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keep trying

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it's the closest equivalent to godfather

wait whose setup is this

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I'm hard claiming VT

No.
You do not get any passes.
No.
There is 0 trust left.

But for RC it doesn't matter. The hypocrisy is outstanding.

i made a deliberate push that i withdrew to get reactions
he claimed cop in a way that could have easily ate a CC then withdrew it later

note that they're both going after me because without killing me there's literally no chance of them surviving today

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also axehole can't say anything besides GRR TMCK is scum with like no reasons

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dude.

he actually is ascetic. he's scum ascetic. scum ascetic makes a billion times more sense in this setup than town ascetic.

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ehh yourself.

confirmed miller (i think ruirui is town)
presumed cop

why wouldn't scum have an ascetic?

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no. he was absolutely locked into the ascetic claim. and that's worse because the ascetic claim is always scum here.

Exactly. You're white knighting a solo gambit. You encourage terrible anti town play and you're part of the reason town suck on this site. Because you refuse to hold solo gambit play accountable and scum can get away with stupid plays all day long because of it.

i have a fairly high town winrate. i'm not NSG, but I'm not some flavor leaf player who handicaps their town games to help their scum games.

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because he's scum and he has no real way out of this situation besides convincing town to mislynch me. I'm not dumb enough to not see him as outed scum. this is his only play

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can you please trust me that you're wrong

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like

tchill should be dead by now

the fact that he's not dead by now makes me very scared because he's outed wolf in so many different ways
if you can fail to have him lynched after this much open wolfing how do I know you're ever going to lynch him if I don't bludgeon this through
basically if you have any doubt that tchill is scum that is a very scary thought to me. you can't get much more outed than tchill currently is.
i fucking dunked him and axe and they both stopped posting for like 10 minutes and then refused to vote each other no matter what was said to them
one of them tried to out the cop, the other tried to leverage an ASCETIC claim to get me lynched, etc.

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And why would I fake claim ascetic of all things? As RC just said.

It's always scum here.

it's a real claim.

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and if you claimed something else then you could easily be caught off of that crumb being super fucking obvious and easy to pick out.

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let's lynch tchill for being scum is that a good enough reason

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because tchill is essentially mechanically confscum for the ascetic claim

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I'm inclined to vote for Axe because I don't see how faking a cop claim can help the town, whereas it's at least plausible in my eyes that tchill can be town (sorry)

this is why we lynch tchill and not axe. i don't trust you.

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no i do not mind

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hey axe your top scumread is at l-1

why don't you hammer them

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RC just said "everything else is obv fake claim I HAD to fake ascetic"

Actually he've been stating that your ascetic claim is real.

So what do I gain by claiming ascetic as scum? You don't think I have any idea what that looks like to the rest of the group? You don't think it'd be more beneficial to me to fake claim something as scum since a Miller has already claimed?

you already crumbed it. soon as you claim someone goes through your post looking for crumbs.

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chennis why do you ask me if I mind?

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i mean

you already crumbed