Mini Normal 2066: Catloaves [Game Over!]

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

I wouldn't be upset.

[PenguinPower]

Oooh...interesting.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE COUNT 1.14
GrandWazoo (6):

PenguinPower, Elsa Jay, u r a person 2

, Alacrity, nomnomnom,

themilkcartonkid

LYNCH
Elsa Jay (2): Not_Mafia,

GrandWazoo

Eragon (1): Locke113
Not_Mafia (1): rosterfoster

Not Voting (1): Eragon

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-03-31 11:00:00)

VOTE COUNT 2.03

themilkcartonkid

(5): Eragon,

PenguinPower

, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, rosterfoster

LYNCH

Eragon

(2): Locke113,

themilkcartonkid

Not Voting

(2):

Elsa Jay

, Alacrity

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Day 2 ends in

(expired on 2019-04-13 15:00:00)

[PenguinPower]

I think NM should be the lynch for today.

[PenguinPower]

Decent scum equity in roster though.

[PenguinPower]

Why?

[PenguinPower]

Do you have a preference of which one?

[PenguinPower]

Do you not think we’d make NM quickhammer instead?

And come on it wasn’t a quickhammer - we’d considered a lot. You’re rewriting what happens.

It's not just a quickhammer - which it was - but were you pushing Eragon (and me) right up until you dropped a naked hammer on milk. That's gross.

I want NM before you because he should never make it to what may be LyLo tomorrow. He's scum because of his D1 dance around GW and participation in milk lynch D2.

Still want Alacrity to do his stuff.

[PenguinPower]

He had claimed, and I was believing the push on him. I don’t think I needed to claim intent there.

Yeah but it it was coordinated we’re a team together - I’d argue that the fact that I hammered means we’re not buddies. IDK how to actually read NM, so IDK on his comment.

I'm not saying you are tied together.

It's not about claiming intent. You didn't provide any reason why you shifted your push from Eragon to milk. You didn't state that you were leaning toward hammering. You just hammered. You see how that comes across as scummy?

[PenguinPower]

Tell me why Eragon is scum without referencing his "slip."

[PenguinPower]

Your sole case on Eragon's slot is the "slip?"

[PenguinPower]

Then why say "I can't" instead of "Case coming later?"

What are your thoughts on Locke?

[PenguinPower]

Because the slip is quite important to that slot?

I talked about Locke before. He’ s town.

Really? Because your entire ISO - from what I see - is about how he is scum - possibly a traitor - tied to GW. Could you point out to me where you analyzed him and found him to be town?

[PenguinPower]

Just an FYI: I'm prodging until Alacrity, Locke, Eragon and NM do stuff today.

[PenguinPower]

prodge

[PenguinPower]

He's been on site since day start - I assume he's flaking at this point.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: NM

This game died.

[PenguinPower]

I’m town

Sorry you haven't acted like it. Your D1 dance around GW was bad and that's the only way I know how to read you.

[PenguinPower]

also xenoblade 2 grinding is pogchamp

You're late to the game...literally.

[PenguinPower]

I could vote roster...but if we're wrong that makes Lylo more difficult.

I'm cursed by the fact that I don't have strong town reads.

[PenguinPower]

Doesn't help.

[PenguinPower]

Kinda interesting to me that you shaded my deductions while basing your own around a singular point in the game

But sure I'll look anyways when I can

That's not what I was saying.

I'm saying that you are missing critical elements for your deductions. That's fairly obvious when you do not understand why Roster and N_M are put on the forefront today.

I don't understand why it's those two because roster is pretty town and n_m is an easy scumread to have

Would you mind pointing out to me why roster and nm are town? Specifically.

[PenguinPower]

Can't even get decent wagons going today...

[PenguinPower]

roster is not playing to a scum win condition
not_mafia is the black sheep of this game

[PenguinPower]

You're proposing that we bring a basically unreadable slot with a bad vote record (weren't you the one that said you need to judge him based on flips...yeah, you were) into potential mylo/lylo.

How do you reconcile that being good for today or tomorrow or ever really?

[PenguinPower]

Sure...you were voting GW until his lynch D1 became a reality and you hopped to Elsa. Off scum lynch.

You actually did have a good L-1 vote on Eragon (I only say good because you took away the lolhammer from yourself) but then switched to milk for god knows why. On town lynch.

Great voting record, cow.

[PenguinPower]

In terms of?

[PenguinPower]

I don't know. That's a fairly broad question given we had a goon flip (and so don't know scum power at all) and there are multiple different ways to balance.

If you want to discuss PRs it's probably better to just massclaim given we're the day before lylo if we don't hit scum.

[PenguinPower]

I don't know. That's a fairly broad question given we had a goon flip (and so don't know scum power at all) and there are multiple different ways to balance.

To further my point, here are all of the 10-12p setups back to 1752:

Spoiler:

Mini Normal 1752 – 12p

2 scum (1 PR), 2 Town PR

Mini Normal 1779 – 12p

2 scum (1PR), SK, 4 Town PR

Mini Normal 1800 – 11p

3 scum (2 PR), 3 Town PR

Mini Normal 1811 – 12p

3 scum (1 PR), 4 Town PR

Mini Normal 1830 – 11p

3 scum (1 traitor, 1 PR), 4 Town PR

Mini Normal 1832 – 11p

2 scum (1 PR), 3 Town PR

Mini Normal 1870 – 10p

2 scum (0 PR), 3 Town PR

Mini Normal 1929 – 11p

3 scum (2 PR), 3 Town PR

Mini Normal 1941 – 12p

2 scum (0 PR), 2 Town PR

Mini Normal 1973 – 10p

2 scum, 4 Town PR

Mini Normal 1976 – 11p

2 scum, 1 SK, 4 Town PR

Mini Normal 1984 -10p

2 scum (0 PR), 3 Town PR

Mini Normal 2003 – 10p

2 scum (2 PR), 3 Town PR

Mini Normal 2033 – 11p

2 scum (1 PR), 2 Town PR

Mini Normal 2040 – 10p

2 scum (2 PR), 4 Town PR

[PenguinPower]

i dont have a problem with this

it would prevent opposing claims tomorrow

Everyone else okay with this?

[PenguinPower]

On second thought, I don't have the energy to fight this

VOTE: Not_Mafia

You going to clarify why your question was important before dropping it completely and voting a town read?

[PenguinPower]

Because it's easier for me to read into the game when I have an idea off what the scumteam looks like numbers wise

How does asking me that question help you?

[PenguinPower]

UNVOTE:

Want to wait and see everyone else's opinion on mass claim.

[PenguinPower]

I wanted to know roughly what towns current flipped power level would equate to it

I still don't see why you asked me specifically and no one else. Why was my answer important?

[PenguinPower]

*sigh*

If people could be engaged it would really help sort.

[PenguinPower]

I’ll kick the massclain off - VT.

I mean - that's not how we do this but, yes, you would have been up in order.

Roster > NM > Locke > Ankamius > Nom > Eragon > me

is my preferred order.

[PenguinPower]

Scum to town. I prefer the scummiest to claim first so they don't have a greater chance of pulling off a fake claim like they would if they were later in the order.

I believe Eragon's already claimed so we could actually just remove him entirely.

[PenguinPower]

Ankamius

[PenguinPower]

that's very little concession room lol

Anyway, I obviously agree with the first two, the rest of the list is somewhat debatable imo but I believe the two first claims to be the most important anyway.

Sorry, I thought you were asking for one person.

[PenguinPower]

ffs

[PenguinPower]

Town Jailkeeper - full, ungated. That's the reason why I didn't believe milk's claim - didn't think town would have both a disloyal RB and a Jailkeeper.

N1 - jailed nom^3
N2 - jailed Ankamius

So, if we're in a 2 scum or 2 scum w/traitor setup, both of them are clear. That doesn't clear them now...only if a traitor flips or we make it past tomorrow without a red flip.

[PenguinPower]

No, but it’s usually good to lock in claims before lylo.

VOTE: nm

[PenguinPower]

Thought one of you might be scum who would take the shot due to how GW’s wagon developed and subsequent flips.

[PenguinPower]

It’s just obnoxious at this point, nm.

[PenguinPower]

That’s typically how a jailkeeper works. Yes.

[PenguinPower]

That’s a gross post.

[PenguinPower]

What are you on about? I used it to try and block the scum kill.

[PenguinPower]

Um...I didn’t block townreads at the time...

Thought one of you might be scum who would take the shot due to how GW’s wagon developed and subsequent flips.

As to # of scum left, that’s why I outted who I checked and provided the caveat in which they are clear.

I get the feeling you aren’t really reading.

[PenguinPower]

I didn’t townread you for the reasons I mentioned but the fact that you could have been town to others made it more likely you would be the one to take the shot.

You’re reinforcing my point.

[PenguinPower]

It’s possible. There’s enough town power.

Read through the archive I listed.

[PenguinPower]

Calling that out seems like you’re lining up a lynch. Hence gross post.

If town, you should have kept that to yourself until tomorrow.

[PenguinPower]

Unlike you, I’d prefer not to provide a roadmap for scum.

I would evaluate based on the flips from today/night.

[PenguinPower]

NM...who do you want to lynch today?

[PenguinPower]

Sorry - what has changed to remove roster from your towncore?

Walk me through this.

[PenguinPower]

Walk me through the D1 movements that make you suspect roster and locke, because I think NM's movements around the GW wagon were pretty bad.

p-edit

I agree with the first point which is why I'm somewhat ok saying that the D1 lynch on scum could be all town.

[PenguinPower]

I'm glad people are realizing why I think NM and roster are scum.

[PenguinPower]

Or, maybe, expressing why is a better way to say that.

[PenguinPower]

Eh, both work.

[PenguinPower]

if anyone really wants me to analyze how alacrity is confirmed town, i will

It would be cool if you did this btw. Not sure how I missed it earlier.

I keep having gut issues with the GW wagon being all town, and given posts today by Ank, this would help ease my mind.

[PenguinPower]

I definitely see reasons that N_M could be town, as i've expressed earlier, although he has been getting grating recently.

You don't see NM's voting around the GW wagon to seem bad for him?

[PenguinPower]

I don't think they're confirmed scum. I also don't think they hammer tested anything so if you could point that out, that would be great.

I think it looks bad coupled with the fact that a slot with as little content in possible lylo is bad.

[PenguinPower]

357 Was 3rd vote on
Locke took it to L-2 in 373
Roster to L-1 in 386
NM fakehammered in 395
N fakehammered again in 611 as a response to a prod

And the wagon dispersed (roster, locke notably).

NM stayed on until I started to get the GW wagon going again at EOD. Then he hopped off onto Elsa once it hit 4 votes.

[PenguinPower]

I'm here, lynch someone

Who do you want to lynch?

I've asked this already.

[PenguinPower]

Is it worth bothering to case

Because I'll outright case Locke if I have to but I won't bother if everyone is going to be like nom

My preference is NM for my reasons outlined earlier. I could be swayed if your case on Locke is better than NM's dance around the GW wagon + not wanting to take the slot into Lylo.

[PenguinPower]

I'm with nom atm.

[PenguinPower]

you understand that with a scum lynch, penguinpower becomes a cop, right?

How is this helpful in the conversation going on atm?

[PenguinPower]

Well - if he's not even going to say who he wants to lynch today I'm not moving.

Why did you have to read NM's games when you were previously able to comment on him via your experience?

[PenguinPower]

Jailing Locke tonight if NM flips scum btw.

If he flips town, I'm not telling you who I'm jailing.

[PenguinPower]

NM is lynched, bird.

[PenguinPower]

Glad you were around at EOD, Eragon. Super helpful of you.

Locke posted more post hammer than he did the past two days*

*I didn't actually check so may not be true but seems to be true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[PenguinPower]

Yes.

[PenguinPower]

Locke...if NM flips scum, who should I jail?

[PenguinPower]

Just wanted to get your take.

I'm jailing you.

[PenguinPower]

^
if NM is scum

[PenguinPower]

I think it's immoral to replace out fro strategic reasons. `just don't do that in the future, please? <3

It's against site rules to do that.

It's also now against site rules to make a post like 189.

Good job, Eragon, turning the slot around. Nice move with the intentional scumslip - that got you totally off my radar.

Wish nom had made that kill N1...