Mini-Normal 2070 is done

[Jingle]

joyous salutations!

[Jingle]

Pffft. I have faith in our ability to lose through that.

[Jingle]

kk so sounds like we lynch tchill.

VOTE: tchill

Why is the vc so scattered with 2 outed scum?

[Jingle]

That's not the question, but I will eventually.

The question is why:

Inferno390(2)-John Pierce Gantt
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui,

exists.

[Jingle]

Well, yeah. I wanna hear what people think while they're around to talk to tho.

[Jingle]

Yes it is sop to claim in very first post.
Only real reason to disbelieve in the first reply is when you’re Miller too.
I recently was a miller in a game with 5 millers, no lie.
All 5 claims were true.
But yes scum could claim it. So miller claims should be evaluated by analyzing other posting.

Fuck that game.

[Jingle]

So, at page 8 I wanna lynch Tchill. Have I passed the obvscum moment?

Also, I wanna lynch Vorkuta.

[Jingle]

Huh. That's a thread, I guess.

[Jingle]

Why should I vote milky?

[Jingle]

please do not counterclaim axehole

I would just like to take this opportunity to claim that I am in fact an axehole.

[Jingle]

Is Axehole/Tchill/Vork too easy?

Probably.

Am I willing to lynch them all anyway?

Probably.

[Jingle]

hey Nero

[Jingle]

Pagetop

NotAnAxehole(5)-Inferno390, Egix96, Skellen, themilkcartonkid, John Pierce Gantt
Tchill13 (3)-RadiantCowbells, Vorkuta, jingle
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui,
RadiantCowbells (1)-Tchill13
themilkcartonkid (1)-NotAnAxehole



Not voting: chennisden

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-22 00:00:00)

[Jingle]

RC, townreads in order of strength?

[Jingle]

:thorface:

[Jingle]

@mod

How did you steal pagetop?? I swear it was Jingle's

It is Jingle's. He just edited in the VC.

[Jingle]

I'm intrigued. Tchill, why did we need to wait to lynch you so you could claim ascetic?

[Jingle]

and lose pagetops

NotAnAxehole(4)-Inferno390, Egix96, Skellen, themilkcartonkid
Tchill13 (4)-RadiantCowbells, Vorkuta, jingle, John Pierce Gantt
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui,
RadiantCowbells (1)-Tchill13
themilkcartonkid (1)-NotAnAxehole



Not voting: chennisden

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-22 00:00:00)

[Jingle]

Will someone remind me what ascetic is again?
And why does it make Tchill more likely to be scum?

Non killing actions fail when targeting an ascetic.

It means he's basically immune to investigations and can never be mechanically cleared.

[Jingle]

basically

he's ccing ruirui

and has a scum indicative role

And also apparently needed to derail his lynch at L-1 with a negative utility claim.

[Jingle]

RC, I think Vork is buddying you. Y/N/M

[Jingle]

No, I get that he's all like RC godtier.

But the way he's being like RC godtier makes me think he's scared of you.

[Jingle]

OKAY EVERYONE NO ONE'S LYNCHING ME

I AM THE ENCRYPTOR

Smexy. Encryptor is universal PM now, right? So no implications of masonry/nomasonry?

[Jingle]

Oh, cool, cause I checked the wiki and it appears to have changed.

hey milky, scale from 1 to 10, how likely are you to be lynched this game?

[Jingle]

-Give me OBJECTIVELY BETTER READS and gameplan than what RC has. I'll wait.

The same plan, but also we make sure that Nero never gets another pagetop.

Also the same reads, but Jingle locktown.

There, objectively better.

[Jingle]

OBJECTIVELY BETTER

[Jingle]

Because the snark is not helping town at all here.

But.... I love the snark.

[Jingle]

got it RC.

Chapter 1. Papyrus.

[Jingle]

But what if one scum claims cop, one scum claims ascetic, and one townie claims arsonist?

[Jingle]

But nero, the next pagetop is so close!

[Jingle]

I'm enjoying this game entirely too much.

[Jingle]

check skellen or something

check skellen, check. Any other instructions as I attempt to draw the nightkill in pure wifom?

[Jingle]

And also the more memes I have to post. I'm not an unlimited supply.

[Jingle]

No. We're just assuming the NRG REALLY sucks at their one job.

[Jingle]

@Mod: are you sleep modding?

[Jingle]

I may be stupid here, but isn't that just godfather?

Godfather shows as town, Ascetic doesn't show at all.

One of them is a crappy role.

[Jingle]

BNL, RC

[Jingle]

@Mod: are you sleep modding?

Yes. I mean, if posting frequent VC's with no vote changes bothers anyone I'll stop.

It doesn't bother me. It's just that you went to bed like 15 minutes ago.

If anything, I'm impressed.

[Jingle]

dude.

he actually is ascetic. he's scum ascetic. scum ascetic makes a billion times more sense in this setup than town ascetic.

ehh

[Jingle]

This is why he's scum. Not the setup spec, bc we don't have enough potatoes yet for that.

So if I full claim can we lynch RC? anybody against that?

Run me up, as much as you'd like just don't hammer because I DO have a claim to make. I'd like to avoid that st all costs. I welcome anyone willing to work with me.

[Jingle]

why wouldn't scum have an ascetic?

It could, but the setup could also be more complex than you think and require additional neg town utility.

I also see BNL as exactly the kind of guy who would put a miller in a setup with no cop.

[Jingle]

That's some gymnastics.

Back to lynching Tchill for sane reasons.

[Jingle]

Originally? He claimed cop.

Now? Resistance to Tchill is spicy when he's pulling shit out of his ass.

[Jingle]

Guessing a team d1 is silly but...

RC, erza, chennisden.

this is a really awful post.

Fuck I wish.

I never get to be scum with RC.

[Jingle]

Shhh, Mr. Dinklage. It's okay. We'll meet again in another game. Probably a Booneytoonz game.

[Jingle]

Ah, was kinda wondering that.

[Jingle]

@Nero: no pagetop 4 u

[Jingle]

If I'm lynched and RC is not lynched the next day phase I will be black listing those on my lynch.

That'll be the dumbest reason I've ever been blacklisted, but you do you I suppose.

[Jingle]

Tchill:

Y/N

An ascetic claim should derail a lynch.

[Jingle]

Jingle probably scum.

I was neighborized last night. My neighborized has a shot remaining. Please let me know if you want to join me and a mysterious third person in partying hardy.

I’ll let y’all know if neighborizor becomes obvtown or obvscum.

[Jingle]

Oh, and VOTE: vorkuta

[Jingle]

Neighborizer should neighborize me tonight please

We'll consider it, but in my mind you're a low priority sort atm.

RC, talk to me about your ruirui read.

[Jingle]

Eh, antitown to discuss whether there is/isn't a vig today imo.

Also, I'd consider it a personal favor if a theoretical vig would holster tonight. TYIA.

[Jingle]

Hm... D3 massclaim?

I'm getting a sense that I understand the setup, which is usually a + for that kind of thing.

Not remembering that dave was here is interesting, considering we usually mutually suspect but work well together in spite of it.

I'm vaguely feeling vork/RC, but I'm also really really really not interested in trying to deal with theoretical RC scum atm, so he gets to be town until I'm ready to solve.

Who does that leave me with?

[Jingle]

Low Priority

davesaz - I feel like he probably woulda killed me or RC? Probably? Tentative townread that needs to be examined thoroughly with further setup info.
themilkcartonkid - Kinda lynchbaity as scum from my experience. Very much doubt this endgames.

High Priority

.img file - Scum purely by gut, but I'd like to see pressure here if I'm honest.
Inferno390 - miller reaction is minor squicky. RC reaction test target is interesting. Should probably meta this when I have a chance.

Scum-ish

Vorkuta - Being led around by RC and also self conscious.
chennisden - terrible ISO. Just the worst.

Town-ish

Skellen - Consensus townread, iirc. Should probably look into why, but I'm not super concerned just yet.
RuiRui - I feel like the miller claim comes most frequently from RC/me here. I don't think this is an RC partner with RC's approach today.

Not even gonna fucking bother

RadiantCowbells - ngl, more than a few worlds where this is scum. Don't think I can argue it to a lynch today, and probably better to leave him around for a bit anyway in case he is town. Either scum will take care of him for us
Egix96 - :whistle:


On an ISO skim hunt to remember who people are I've discovered I really didn't like pretty much anything chen has done. Has that been pushed by *anyone*?

[Jingle]

The fact that no one has is particularly intriguing though.

[Jingle]

3. inferno got wagoned early.

I should also probably look into the resistance to switching from axe to Tchill, since they were BOTH town.

[Jingle]

For context:

Spoiler:

Inferno390(4)-RadiantCowbells, NotAnAxehole, John Pierce Gantt, Vorkuta
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui
NotAnAxehole()-Inferno390
themilkcartonkid(1)-Egix96
RadiantCowbells(1)-themilkcartonkid
Skellen(1)-ErzaScarlet


Not voting: chennisden, Skellen, Tchill13

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.

Skellen is town

Try reading Skellen's last scum game (the Newbie game); she obvtownned a lot.

Ruirui is playing towny right now.

Inferno not the greatest look.

Inferno390(4)-RadiantCowbells, NotAnAxehole, John Pierce Gantt, Vorkuta
John Pierce Gantt(2)-davesaz, RuiRui
NotAnAxehole(2)-Inferno390, Egix96
RadiantCowbells(1)-themilkcartonkid
Skellen(1)-ErzaScarlet
ErzaScarlet(1)-Tchill13


Not voting: chennisden, Skellen

With 13 alive it's 7 to lynch or no lynch.


Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-22 00:00:00)

Deadline is (expired on 2019-04-22 00:00:00)

Fully half of chen's awful ISO is before the Tchill wagon even existed.

VOTE: chennisdan

DANCE, MONKEYS!

[Jingle]

I left this pagetop for so long, but apparently Nero just didn't want it.

[Jingle]

You guys so boring.

I'll be back later.

[Jingle]

Why would you out yourself like this? Now you've given scum an easy agenda to play to.

What?

[Jingle]

1) At the very least, the reason I could have made that mistake as town should be obvious to you. They both objectively played to the world I was concerned about.

Oh, yes. I don't blame you for the mislynch at all. That's not why I'm concerned about youscum.

Also, the potential that your cop cleared is a good argument against trying to sort you today. Like I already don't care about doing.

[Jingle]

Scum want to get themselves into the neighborhood.

Why?

[Jingle]

Either scum will take care of him for us or I can come back to this.

FTFM

[Jingle]

Yeah, I'mma stop you there.

So far, in the hood is me and the person who made the hood.

One of is the person you supposedly suspect. One of those is a PR that is not-cop.

If a scum player is invited, they're also not a cop.

If I'm scum, as you seem to think, I already have access to any information shared in the PT.

If a cop is invited, it's still a neighborhood, and the alignment of the person who invited them is still in question, so the idea that they would immediately out all results is bad.

To be clear, I have neither claimed nor shared any relevant information I may or may not have with the person who neighborized me. They think I'm town, but the read isn't necessarily two way right now.

[Jingle]

What if scum thought that Axe was actually the cop and was lolcatting afterwards to look like they weren't the cop

Based on what? You've seen firsthand that my play is almost always to use my own skill as scum to get the win. I don't think I've ever played a "do as much damage as possible and let my teammates deepwolf" strategy in my entire mafia career.

These two are the reason I lowkey suspect you, RC.

[Jingle]

I literally haven't interacted with anyone in this game enough to spew them town in a manner that I would deem good enough to risk going down.

This, btw, is true. In this game state, RC scum intends to endgame.

[Jingle]

Both of those came

after

you claimed to lowkey suspect me. not before.

And?

I'm not dumb enough to think you wouldn't consider Axe a possible cop when that was your reason to lynch him second in the first place, when I'm pretty sure we both realized the associatives were slightly worse for Axe than tchill.

And if you're going to argue that I don't know you well enough to know you'd want to set yourself up to endgame you're just being insulting.




Chen's neighborhood paranoia seems fake. Agree/Disagree.

[Jingle]

That kind of level-0 thinking regarding the TMCK kill is if anything town-indicative.

Or, alternatively, the kill was partially intended to frame someone and Vork was planting the thought.

[Jingle]

(I also think that he's town, but that's an aside)

Why?

[Jingle]

Oh, quick question.

Do I need to bury the lead or do you agree to not out my neighbor today?

I have a real reason to keep them hidden, assuming that I can get to the point I trust them. If I can get to the point I trust you I'm likely to argue to add you.

[Jingle]

I have some thoughts about the setup that make it relevant.

[Jingle]

The fact that dave/RC/I are all still alive is townpoints to dave. Not strong townpoints, but townpoints.

[Jingle]

What kind of bullshit does town have to have to balance having two false guilties

Can we talk about that tomorrow?

[Jingle]

Either I want to be alive tomorrow and sharing my setup spec would be a problem in that area, or I want to be killed tonight and I've left information with my neighbor to be shared along with a method of confirming the information comes from me.

I don't think you think I'm scary enough as scum to not give me a little leeway.

[Jingle]

Do I need to bury the lead or do you agree to not out my neighbor today?

Still want an answer, RC. I'll be crippling both of our abilities to scumhunt today if I have to hide them.

[Jingle]

Not the question. If I don't intentionally hide them will you promise not to intentionally out them if you figure it out?

[Jingle]

Thank you. If both you and the person I suspect will be the nk tonight are town I think this might be unwinnable for scum.

[Jingle]

Operation Bewilder the Shit Out of RC: Success.

[Jingle]

Chen:

As scum do you nightkill lynchbait who is pushing you?

Why does scum want to infiltrate the neighborhood?

Did you read:

Please let me know if you want to join me and a mysterious third person in partying hardy.

Does it effect your tmck read?

[Jingle]

No. IMO lynchbait pushing me just makes me harder to lynch.

So why does tmck fearkill axe when axe is clearly not a charismatic party to begin with?

I'm not particularly worried about whether the people that get invited are scum. What I'd like is to invite people who are likely to be active in the hood. The easiest way to do so, imo, is to ask who would like to be in the hood.

[Jingle]

But this defeats the entire purpose of a neighborizer imo.

Not really?

Neighborizor is another method by which to sort people.

Masonizors are necessary for them to be PR farms.

[Jingle]

It also allows for focusing in on one specific player and prioritizing them.

If you can trust that everyone in the neighborhood is town it becomes powerful. Otherwise it's just a low utility role.

[Jingle]

Inferno:

Logic Track 1:

Axe was pushing tmck. Axe was likely to be lynched. tmck is therefore the only person to have a reason to kill axe.

Logic Track 2:

If someone who is liable to be a mislynch is pushing me, I should not kill them, because keeping them around will help me stay alive.

These are implicitly contradictory. Either the premise is that scum milk is worse at picking NK's than scum chen or chen is pushing something he doesn't see scum doing as scummy.

The important question is whether the latter would come from town who is surface leveling the shit out of that read or scum making it up.

[Jingle]

I’d like to offer to replace notanaxehole and tchill.

[Jingle]

Just because I would or wouldn't kill someone doesn't mean Milk would or wouldn't.

So do you think that scumMilk would kill lynchbait that was actively pushing him?

If so, why?

[Jingle]

1) teammates might want to kill lynchbait who is pushing
2) lynchbait might stop being lynchbait
3) other person might have a different perspective/preference.

Who, as a teammate, would push to kill axehole here in your opinion?
Do you think it was likely Axehole would stop being lynchbaity?

[Jingle]

Not voting: RadiantCowbells

i'm not sure if i like either wagon and that makes me sad.

I believe in your ability to challenge the status quo.

[Jingle]

Yes.

[Jingle]

i think chennis could actually be wolf

i don't think tmck is

Agree if weakly.

[Jingle]

Also, I think inferno derp is probably town derp.

[Jingle]

VOTE: egix96

this is a pretty damn good vote right now.

Veto. Try again.

[Jingle]

If egix is scum, we can deal with that tomorrow.

[Jingle]

Eh, fuck lowkey reactions.

Egix crumbed loyal hard and I want to see if he dies tonight because of it.

[Jingle]

So, you're both cleared then hypothetically?

I think the combination of miller/loyal whatever/ascetic/neighborizer has interesting implications setup wise, which is a big part of why I want mass claim D3.

Egix has a crumbed clear on Skellen, so I'm kinda just ignoring skellen today. We have a slight vig implication, so I'm kinda guessing there might be a protective in play given the solitary kill last night. Egix probably takes a bullet, so I'm not really interested in sorting there. Ruirui scum is possible, but ballsy and improbable, and if our setup doesn't make any sense for a miller that should become apparent, so I'm not super interested in sorting there before massclaim. That leaves me with a fairly healthy pool of suspects in the rest, and I seriously doubt that there is more than 1 scum in the claimed/crumbed/cleared trifecta. At least not this early.

[Jingle]

Eh, fuck lowkey reactions.

Egix crumbed loyal hard and I want to see if he dies tonight because of it.

one person was voting him

you did NOT need to out like that

Both me and my neighbor noticed it immediately. It was a sloppy crumb.

[Jingle]

Because the case on Milk that Axe made at end of day had legitimate merits.

What merits?

If the case had merits before the nightkill, why does your case appear to be solely based on the nightkill?

[Jingle]

So would dave. I feel vaguely better about you after you pushed there, in fact. Which, again: I think if you/me/Egix is town, this game is pretty much in the bag.

[Jingle]

i'm not townreading you.

You never do until I'm obvtown. It's okay, I don't get lynched this game.

[Jingle]

I support pressuring .gif.

He's not my current target, but I don't townread that.

[Jingle]

i'm literally a god of scumplay

Sure, but are you one of those Pansy gods like Eros or are you a badass god like Ares?

I like to think I'm a Janus myself.

[Jingle]

What particularly like about the case?

[Jingle]

What do you*

[Jingle]

Nope. I've been neighborized, which has approximately 0 to do with my alignment.

A curious number of people have been treating me as confirmed though. And one of those is also suspecting me!

AFAIK, Skellen is soft confirmed by Egix. There are no other confirmations. I'm also not lynching in RuiRui/Egix/Neighborizer, but that's because I think that there's a decent chance they will become confirmed, not because they themselves are confirmed.

[Jingle]

Build your wagon then. I'm barely pushing mine and I have a fuckton of support. I'd rather there actual be two real options.

[Jingle]

Separately, or are there associatives you've noticed?

[Jingle]

afterwhich I pointed out the flaw in what he was saying, you are still flail-pushing against everything I say.

I still don't see a flaw in what I've been saying, and I think it's high impact to continue the line of questioning I'm on. I acknowledge that there is potentially a town motivation to chen's thought process. I disagree that said potential means his thought process isn't scummy.



Continuing to wait on what particularly was compelling from Axe's case.

[Jingle]

I guess I can't stop you from lynching chennis in favor of someone who is more sure scum huh

Not without splainin, no. I actually think that they're both independently scummy and haven't looked much at the interactions.

[Jingle]

=Town core=
Egix
Skellen
Cowbells

=Town leans=
Inferno
Jingle

=Slight town==
TMCK
Rui

=PoE=
Vork
JP Gantt
davesaz
chennis

Hm. I believe that lynching {Vork, img, dave, chen} probably nets exactly 2 scum, but am completely fine with focusing there today.

[Jingle]

How so?

[Jingle]

I am a vanillager

I thought we were masons, tho. Shit, who's the guy I've been talking to in the mason thread?

[Jingle]

Sorry, I don't mean to be speciesist but all seals look alike to me.

reported.

[Jingle]

reported.

Don't banana me.

[Jingle]

Skellen has requested replacement

Is this a one a day thing?

The mod gets replaced in the pregame, Erza gets replaced D1, Skellen gets replaced D2.

Clearly there's some kind of conspiracy here.

[Jingle]

Also, we're really close.

[Jingle]

To denying nero a:

[Jingle]

pagetop.

[Jingle]

Any real reason you're not voting JP, RC?

[Jingle]

Hi buki!

[Jingle]

Also, 1v1 is probably overstating things a bit.

[Jingle]

I mean, the closes to a 1v1 would be you v chen, but even still that's pretty meh.

There's moderate suspicion on chen/JP.
Chen suspects you and me.
RC suspects me.

That's about it as far as outed suspicions go unless I've missed my mark.

[Jingle]

@Buki:

D1, we lynched the Ascetic claim because awful associatives with :lolcopclaim: and he seemed to think ascetic was a claim that mattered to lynching/not lynching. He flipped BP. The :lolcopclaim: retracted and posted a case on milky then ate the NK. Also, there was an early days miller claim that I'm ignoring for the moment.

D2 vork and chen seem to think the lolcopclaim death points to milky as the cased party being responsible due to the case axehole made. I'm waiting for chen to tell me why said case is good because I think he's >>rand full of shit. Ferno thinks I'm wrong (and maybe scum? I dunno?) but also thinks that milky's push on chen is like hella worse. RC agrees with me that chen is scummy, but would rather lynch [insert image extension here] because he says the associatives are worse the other way, but I don't see it. Egix crumbed a loyal result on you and RC pushed him. RCscum would have seen the crumb (it was blatant) so he's maybetown. You're probtown based on the unlikeliness of a loyal result being faked on a scumpartner. Egix isn't claiming further cause why the fuck would he? I got neighborized last night and have been lowkey dropping alternating strong PR tells and implying that I'm vanilla, and RC thinks that I'm scum because of it. He also tacitly agreed not to associative hunt me today so that I could keep my neighbor hidden, or at least not share who the neighbor is with the group.

[Jingle]

Oh, also the mod got replaced in pregame and as punishment for being a good guy we're trying to prevent Nero from pagetopping.

[Jingle]

This game is BNL's that was supposed to be modded by Stefanb, right?

What insight did you get from this, btw, RC?

[Jingle]

It's cool, you don't get lynched today and the investigative soft gets shot before you anyway. You probably live to D4 at least, tbh.

[Jingle]

lmao

[Jingle]

The question is, was he just lurking, waiting to get that pagetop? Or was it a happy coincidence that derailed my evil plot?

a good mod is ever diligent

[Jingle]

a good mod is ever diligent

Still prefer my method for tryharding vc's, but I admit to being impressed.

[Jingle]

it gets rough

Oh, you poor, poor, naive guitar. If you think this is a rough read I shudder to see you in a toxic game.

[Jingle]

My own independent case

Lynx?

[Jingle]

Hmm, I see, thanks ( but I'm still going to begin reading from start to get a better feel)

Yeah, that was a blurb. Now you flip to a random page in the middle. And then you read cover to cover.

[Jingle]

hey, John. Who is mafia?

[Jingle]

that would be an interesting scumteam. Can you tier the townreads for me?

[Jingle]

RC
TMCK
Skellen
Egix
Inferno390

i think contains scum like... virtually never

meh. Doubt there's more than one though.

[Jingle]

davesaz
vork
buki
egix
rc
inferno
ruirui
tmck

chennis
.jpeg
jingle

Ooooh! I've got something for this!

[Jingle]

[Jingle]

If they claimed masons I would lynch one of them, full stop.

[Jingle]

Normal for Jingle is a bit of an oxymoron. dave and rc are your best bets at someone who knows how I treat mafia though.

[Jingle]

I'm pretty much unmetaable?

[Jingle]

I have read all of the game and thought a bit about setup as well.

I've lots of confidence that Vork can never be mason here, and even if in the 1% probability he is, we already almost would have a complete solve.

The fact that he is trying to soft something to me is already scummy when added to his other antiques.

VOTE: Vork

This is a justice wagon. Hop in guys.

I support/endorse this product/service.

[Jingle]

Why aren't you hopping in that case?

Because I currently am leading a larger wagon on a different suspect and am of the opinion that chen is more likely to be scum than Vork, if only slightly.

Besides, I'm waiting on answers.

[Jingle]

=Town core=
Egix
Skellen
Cowbells

=Town leans=
Inferno
Jingle

=Slight town==
TMCK
Rui

=PoE=
Vork
JP Gantt
davesaz
chennis

Hm. I believe that lynching {Vork, img, dave, chen} probably nets exactly 2 scum, but am completely fine with focusing there today.

This hath not changed. In the interest of completeness, the one outside is probably in {RuiRui, Egix, TMCK, RC}.

[Jingle]

@Chen, has it occured to you that I still want you to mouth noises about this?

What particularly like about the case?

What do you*

Continuing to wait on what particularly was compelling from Axe's case.

[Jingle]

Might I suggest voting one of the two?

[Jingle]

I feel like the Vork and Chen wagons are roughly equal wrt composition, actually.

[Jingle]

NERO

[Jingle]

chennisden(4)-Jingle, Egix96, RuiRui, John Pierce Gantt
vorkuta(4)-Buki, tmck, rc, chen

Jingle~Buki
Egix~RC
TMCK~Rui
JPEG~Chen


Yeah, seems roughly equivalent.

[Jingle]

I mean... I kinda did. But sure.

[Jingle]

chennisden(4)-Jingle, Egix96, RuiRui, John Pierce Gantt
Vorkuta(4)-Buki, themilkcartonkid, RadiantCowbells, chennisden
themilkcartonkid(2)-Vorkuta, Inferno390

Not voting: davesaz,

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Both Vork and Inferno have been sitting there for a while. Dave is MIA, which is intriguing.

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VOTE: Vork

I don't see a reason to stall this any more. Let's get a claim.

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Any particular reason to be afraid of a quickhammer?

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Ehh. I'm of the opinion that you should always let scum out themselves by quickhammering, but :shrug:

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Step 1: Print Avatars.
Step 2: Place Avatars in Backyard.
Step 3: Play Lawn Darts.
Step 4: Visit Hospital to have Darts Removed from your leg.
Step 5: Fight Assault Charges that occurred as a result from Lawn Darts Game.
Step 6: Return to ms.net, complain that you would have won the game for your team if RL hadn't gotten in the way.


Seems fairly straightforward to me.

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What do the tildes mean?

shorthand for approximately equal.

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VOTE: Chen

L-1, claim, yadda yadda yadda.

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I think vork is town if RC is scum, if that matters.

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Yeah, I'm not making a quality judgement about TvT v SvT, just saying I don't think those slots are ever SvS.

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Jingle~Buki
Egix~RC
TMCK~Rui
JPEG~Chen

In order, the top pair are two players whose townstatus isn't even a question in my mind.
The next pair are two players who could well flip scum, but whose flips I have no interest in seeing today, for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is that both are likely to eat a nightkill in the relatively near future.
The next are also two players who could well flip scum. I vaguely doubt it in both cases, but I wouldn't be shocked. I don't think either is likely to eat a nightkill, and thus they should probably be more important to sort, but I'm content leaving them until after massclaim.
The next are two who I expect to flip scum to some degree.

So yeah, FMPOV, the two wagons were roughly equivalent composition wise.

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If it helps, when RC and I were avoiding each other I used to just replace into games after he died.

I support asking people to avoid playing in games with you if you think neither of you will be able to enjoy those games though.

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Hey-yo.

Jingle here.

The person who neighborized me is a loyal odd night neighborizor. Or at least they claimed to be.

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So, now we're going to massclaim. Rui already went. I claimed in my neighborhood. I want vork next.

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Buki could easily easily be scum btw

In fact he probably is

X

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I want vork next.

I don't.

Your opinion is largely unimportant to me.

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Tier 0 - No Description Needed

• John Pierce Gantt

Tier 1 - Strongest Townread

• Seal
  
• Vorkuta (↑) - With how chennisden suddenly had him as a Mafia read, I believe even more that this slot is Town.

Tier 2 - Strong Townread

• Jingle (↑) - First pusher of chennisden

Tier 3 - Decent Townread

• Inferno390 (↑) - Only a relative increase. The actually read strength did not change.

Tier 4 - Weak Townread

• themilkcartonkid (↓) - His read on Vork kinda suddenly flipped when his wagon gained traction. Had chennisden as a strongest Mafia read and yet never voted him until very later.

Tier 5 - The Leftovers

• RuiRui
  
• davesaz
  
• Skellen (↓↓↓↓↓) - With Egix actually not confirming him as town, I have no reason to put him in 0.5 tier anymore.

Tier 6 - Confirmed Mafia

• chennisden (↓) - Revealed Mafia. Ha.

X

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Oh, yeah, I instructed the person who neighborized me to fakeclaim in a specific way.

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Did you? I wonder who could have caused that. Huh.

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Don't X me

Don't be obviously wrong. \o/

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Conftown- Me.

Towncore- Buki, Neighbor, TMCK.

{RuiRui, RC}
{Vork, img, dave}

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Oh, wait. Not buki, fumuki. newbuki.

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Disagree, but I want to hear your logic.

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I realize that Buki successfully derailed chen then switched the momentum onto chen exactly when it looked like Vork was the lynch for the day, sure.

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Hopefully I'm right and it's Chenn/Vork and we can all go home.

VOTE: Chenn

Jingle, get back to Chenn wagon or people will end up going to a random wagon because RC is probably falling to the "too easy, scum must be in the shadows" falacy

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Jingle, are you confident that your neighborizer is town?

70%

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Don't forget this happened.

I didn't.

I voted Vork to L-1, dropping chen to L-3. You unvoted Vork to L-2, but didn't oppose forcing the claim.

Buki then switched the momentum from vork to chen out of fear that you would raise a counterwagon because cold feet.

If the goal is to protect chen (which, you know, Buki making a counterwagon to chen in the first place would suggest) why NOT let you derail the wagons? Why, instead, virtually ensure that a hammer happens on the player that you're protecting when you could just, you know, not. Especially since Buki wasn't ever going to be the target of the lynch and had the highest influence as a conftown.

A conftown who, presumably, wouldn't know that the nature of their conftown-ness was as brittle as it was.

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I mean Jingle already revealed him - Inferno.

Oh yeah, add inferno to the towncore. Not saying he's the neighborizor, tho.

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How do you reconcile two incredibly strong investigatives and a weak investigative/strong protective. This seems like way too much town power.

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Out the neighborizer now please.

Considering it, but probably happens today, yeah.

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Well actually loyal jailkeeper doesn't function as an investigative at all, because it can't block mafia

Except... Missing kill = conftown.

Weak investigative.

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Which brings me back to massclaim being necessary. Let's switch to Dave first. I think I'm cool with RC last.


Dave -> Ferno -> Fumuki -> Milk -> Vork -> RC

JP, RuiRui, and kind of me have already claimed.

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RC, what does a scumteam have if the town has to have all the claimed powers they do in addition to a rolecop?

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The only way I can think of balancing this town is with non normal roles, so I'm fairly convinced that there's scum in the PR claims. I don't think the neighbor ducks a lynch forever if I don't out them, but I do think there's a >>rand probability of a roleblocker if the neighbor is town.

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Hmm. We might check ruirui. More likely that we'll check JP, tho.

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Dave -> Ferno -> Fumuki -> Milk -> Vork -> RC

JP, agreed?

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I think confirming your results as accurate is more important than potentially stopping a single mislynchable slot, yes.

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{RadiantCowbells/Jingle/Vorkuta} At most one scum, resolved tomorrow in all likelihood.

{JP/Neighborizor} Probably one scum, but not lynching today?

Fumuki
Inferno390
RuiRui
davesaz
themilkcartonkid

Leftovers is where we lynch today, for sure.

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Oh, and I'm going to confirm that my neighbor is 100% in the group of leftovers.

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"JP definitely bussed chennisden"
"JP is totally mafia with Vorktua"
"Vorktua is magicall Town if seal is Mafia"

You might not realize it, but this is exactly the type of thing you want people to say about you as a cop.

What was the order of your investigations? Vork then RC, I assume?

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Cause I only need to check to make sure it's consistent after he commits to an order and I was operating under the assumption of nocops for 2/3 of the game?

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ok JPG is probably a bad lynch today.

like it wasn't hard to suss out. i think that inattentiveness could easily make you scum

out your neighbourizer or we lynch you today.

lolnope

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Actually, I'll bite. Why do you think I should out my neighborizor today?

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Yes, RC. I turbobussed a partner D2 into a claim of being loyal neighborized by someone who would then act that night D3.

Let's look at the potential results of tonight.

I die no one is added to the neighborhood, neighborizor doesn't out. neighborizor is probably scum. In this scenario, JP is STILL ALIVE TONIGHT and presumably gets a result.
I die no one is added to the neighborhood, neighborizor outs. neighborizor is in mechanical 1v1. In this scenario, JP is STILL ALIVE TONIGHT and presumably gets a result, if town.
I die, someone is added to the neighborhood. In this scenario, JP is STILL ALIVE TONIGHT and presumably gets a result, if town. In this scenario, Neighborizor is STILL ALIVE TONIGHT and presumably gets a result, if town. In this scenario, my townflip confirms the existence of said neighborizor.
JP dies, I'm alive and can out my neighbor, who presumably got a result, if town.

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No, we're definitely going ahead with the massclaim here.

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In honor of your read on fumuki-slot, I'm going to request that

dave, fumuki and ferno all claim in their next post.

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We have essentially autowin regardless.

If vig, bukislot conftownish.

One of our investigatives is telling the truth. I VERY much doubt both.

Two of the leftover pool are obvtown that we agree on. You and I are both virtually guaranteed to survive the night, and it's almost impossible to win for either of us as scum.

Not committing until after the massclaim concludes, but there's a significant chance no lynch is the right play here.

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did you realize when i started copreading you

When? Crumbs would be helpful.

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jingle stop posting

No.

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why would it matter

i'm conftown

I'm... not trying to read you? I'm trying to gauge validity of JP claim.

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Oh, no I meant his crumbs that let you know he was cop. I could look for PR tells, but if you already did that's super helpful.

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JP, you are under no circumstances to announce who you will investigate tonight in this thread. To do so would be bad form if you are town, as it would potentially give my neighbor important information if they are scum.